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White Nationalists React to Norway Rampage

By Leah Nelson on July 25, 2011 - 6:39 pm, Posted in White Supremacist

As most of the world reeled in reaction to the tragic shooting of scores of Norwegians by right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik, anti-Semitic professor Kevin MacDonald, editor of the white nationalist website Occidental Observer, prepared his analysis of the pros and cons of Breivik’s deadly spree.

In a long piece posted Sunday night, MacDonald described Breivik as a “serious political thinker with a great many insights and some good practical ideas on strategy,” who “sees Christianity (correctly) as a historically powerful force for the preservation of Europe rather than mainly about religious faith.”

MacDonald, who is best known for his theory that Jews are genetically driven to destroy Western societies, is obviously perplexed by Breivik’s professed support for Israel. He speculated that it could be a “tactical” move in the face what Breivik saw as the more immediate threat of Islam. “In my experience, racially conscious Scandinavians are quite aware of Jewish media control,” he wrote. “In any case, he is certainly right in characterizing multiculturalism as an ideology of hate.”

In the short term, MacDonald predicted, “revulsion” over the killing of children would add fuel to multiculturalists’ fire and prove a setback to the white nationalist cause. But, he continued, Breivik’s rampage was not without its silver lining: “[I]t is possible that in the long run European elites will understand that the glorious multicultural future will not be attained without a great deal of bloodletting (including themselves and, as in this case, their children) and realize they will have to change their ways.”

White nationalists on other websites fretted about the public perception of their movement.

With its tall, blue-eyed blonds and active anti-immigrant and neo-Nazi groups, Norway (along with the rest of Scandinavia) is something of a fetish among white nationalists in America. As it became clear that Breivik espoused beliefs that overlap with their own, their primary concern seemed to be what one commenter on the popular website American Renaissance called a “public relations disaster.”

“No matter who was responsible, it shows the public relations disaster of such ‘lone-wolf’ vanguardist-type attacks,” wrote “Dutchman” on Friday night. “Who could sympathize with someone mowing down teenagers at a camp? Even if they are potential Marxists. I hope it is revealed that this guy was either a deranged leftist, or someone with a non-political grudge, or a convert to Islam, or a false-flag attack.”

“I’m devastated by this case,” commenter “Frak” wrote Sunday. “This evil monster has destroyed everything that I believed in. Gone forever is the moral high-ground we once had. How in the world can I possibly call any other race violent, and bad for Europe, and America, after this psycho did what he did. With one event, he has destroyed all that has been so delicately, and incrementally endeavored for. People with our beliefs will forever be associated with this event. This bastard has tolled our global death knell.”

At the other end of white nationalism’s spectrum lies Holocaust denier David Duke, whose anti-Semitic vitriol is far harsher than anything MacDonald’s pseudo-intellectual approach will permit. While American Renaissance commenters despaired for their cause and MacDonald indulged in contemplating both the good and the bad in Breivik, Charles Coughlin, who blogs on Duke’s website, could only deplore Breivik as a “pro-Zionist neocon” whose actions are an unredeemable distraction from “the real problem facing White people” – i.e., “Jewish control of the news media and the governments of White nations.”

“The Jews are promoting policies to flood every White nation with Third World people,” Coughlin wrote. “We need to expose this sinister situation. Lunatics going off on shooting sprees, whatever their intentions, only pave the way for more gun control and hate crime laws.”

  • White Knight

    I just keep buying more ammo and guns,for Armageddon!!!!

  • skinnyminny

    It doesn’t take a ‘nut’ like Brevik to expose everything they have done, or trying to accomplish.

    It’s been out in the open for years, thanks to all they have pulled out of the sewers, cracks and crevices. Here are some of things we have been paying close attention to, their hatred of ‘illegal’ immigrants, trying to strip citizenship of immigrants children, union busting as if they are trying to repeat Jay Gould from the 19th century (the guy that said in response to union workers/strikers ‘I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half.”) after promising firemen and policemen they won’t touch their positions/pay they are now laying those people off, and deporting blacks back to Africa…btw, I’ve seen some postings elsewhere of, “if blacks don’t want to go back to slavery then shoot them…”

    But lastly, if these guys are so shocked and want to distance themselves, then they need to tell us if they are part of the KT in Mexico. It was already rumored that a German national was arrested last week for handling/moving the money for them. I haven’t heard any outrage that the ‘Mexicans” are using that name, especially when there is allegedly a name in use for that in Europe…I also find it interesting that the KT in Mexico is handing out pamphlets – I’m not sure if this is what they usually do, but, it reminds me of the Nazis and KKK do in the U.S., hand out papers telling people they are either being watched -consider that paper a warning…

  • skinnyminny

    Oh, I love it! The Ruslan I came to admire is back – meaning, some of the people that come here to taunt us, I get to see Ruslan spank them one by one.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    St. Patrick’s Day Parade
    Greek Independence Day Parade
    Pulaski Day Parade
    Steuben Day (German)
    Columbus Day (Italian

    HURRRR!!! WHY ARNT WHITE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO CELEBRATE DEYR HERATAGE???!!! HURRRR!!!!

    Oh yeah, Irish, Greek, Polish, German, Italian? MULTICULTURALISM!!!

  • Mitch Beales

    “This evil monster has destroyed everything that I believed in. Gone forever is the moral high-ground we once had. How in the world can I possibly call any other race violent, and bad for Europe, and America, after this psycho did what he did. With one event, he has destroyed all that has been so delicately, and incrementally endeavored for. People with our beliefs will forever be associated with this event. This bastard has tolled our global death knell.”

    Somehow I don’t think “Frak” needs to worry too much about “People with our beliefs” being associated with Breivik’s terrorism. People with Frak’s beliefs have not only survived but thrived on their association with the infinitely worse atrocities of Hitler. I’m sure they’re disappointed that Breivik won’t be allowed to wear his “uniform” in court. There’s nothing like a spiffy uniform (or just a pointy hood) to help recruit right wing losers.

  • A.D.M.

    This Chris Schultz guy is funny. Very funny. I’m from New York City, a city some in your circles might dislike. We New Yorkers have parades celebrating the different cultures that exist. We have the following:

    Puerto Rican Day Parade
    Dominican Day Parade
    Pakistan Independence Day Parade
    St. Patrick’s Day Parade
    India Independence Day Parade
    Greek Independence Day Parade
    West Indian American Day Carnival Parade
    Pulaski Day Parade
    Chinese New Year Parade
    Steuben Day (German)
    Columbus Day (Italian)

    I could go on, but those are the ones I can think of now. Of course, there may be some conflicts, but all in all, people do get along. Look at Chinatown and Little Italy in Manhattan. They’re next to each other. So, the idea that people of different can’t get along is ridiculous. It’s possible by learning and acknowledging their existence. People in Euurope have different cultures. French culture is different from German culture, Italian culture is different from Greek culture, Spanish culture is different Irish culture, etc. Did you think because they’re white they all looked at each other lovingly? Do you know many wars Europeans engaged each other in?

    Lok at Asia. Look at Africa. Yes, the people who are culturally different have fought each other, but they have coexisted for centuries, especially now with a globalized economy.

    As for SPLC, they put a flashlight on hate groups like the white nationalists you hang out with. And from reading your first couple comments, you don’t know what racism is. It’s the belief that one group of people is superior to others in every way possible and should be able to dominate them. A racist is someone who subscribes to that belief.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “I realize that capitalism and financial greed in regards to global trade and economy are what constitutes a ‘healthy’ way of life to you.”

    Heh heh heh. Chris, you don’t know me very well. Stick around.

    “However, I personally feel that there are more important aspects of a rich and fulfilling life such as to name couple, cultural integrity, and a strong ecological attachment to the land (which should remain unspoiled)”

    Cultural integrity? Ok, which culture exactly, and how do you personally maintain this integrity of which you speak.

    “What you are working towards is a multi cultural egalitarian culture which denigrates the powerful in order to make it easier to sell the new ‘one culture’ mass the products of the modern society you have trumpeted.”

    How can a “multicultural” society also have an egalitarian “one culture”? You do realize that pretty much all human society, outside of some tribes living in remote areas, is “multicultural?” Right? And how can you have egalitarianism in a capitalist society where people are divided into antagonistic classes?

    “In reference to ‘one culture’ you are correct it would come across as nonsensical. Basically, what I am trying to convey is that ‘one culture’ would be represented by a culture if you can call it that of mass consumerism beholden to popular culture and the notion that all people are the same.”

    I love it when folks like you start sounding like you graduated from the Frankfurt school. Also, I’m just curious. Who’s been promoting the notion that all people are the same? Perhaps we’re watching different advertisements, because last time I checked, Madison Avenue tries to promote the idea that one can define oneself as an individual via the purchase of goods which distinguish them from everyone else.

    Conspicuous consumption is born from the struggle to distinguish oneself from the masses, not to “conform”. The fact that you are suggesting otherwise brings you awfully close to the old Frankfurt school, whose adherents taught that capitalism requires conformity to survive. Their theory was decisively defeated by history. Capitalism thrives off of individuality.

    “When cultures/races blend together we lose our identity which makes it easier to market to us products that we do not need or want. This is the way of the technology driven, environment destroying modern multi culturalist.”

    That’s really interesting because as I said before, human society is just one big blend of different cultures.

    “As for the last question. I think it goes without saying that Christianity is a foreign invader and has largely corrupted and diminished European or for that matter indo aryan sensibilities and beliefs.”

    Christianity is a foreign invader? Last time I checked, Europeans invaded and conquered Palestine, not vice versa. Also, could you please elaborate what you mean by “Indo-Aryan” sensibilities and beliefs, and also why you rail against multi-culturalism yet embrace ancient peoples who had nothing to do with your culture, and who would view you as a total alien(and then kill you).

    Yes, I’m sure you would get along just fine with the Indo-Aryans, moving from your comfortable urban or suburban environment into a nomadic, steppe lifestyle.

    “That said, would you agree that Islam may have the potential to have the same effect?”

    No, because Islam has existed among Europeans for hundreds of years. Christianity also had many positive effects for Europeans.

    ” You also must remember that there is currently a longing and desire of many people in particular those of European descent to explore their true pre christian roots without the influence of watchdog groups such as ”

    Uh no, no there isn’t. Yes, what a winning strategy that would be- give up hundreds of years of advanced culture to embrace superstitions, especially the superstitions of older European societies which were digging around in the mud while other civilizations far outpaced them(see China) Yes, Europeans should definitely embrace the losers in their history. That will solve this economic crisis!!

    Look, the faux-leftist talk doesn’t suit you. Well, the stuff that sounds like Frankfurt school rhetoric is pretty funny at least.

  • ruben

    all i can say is “what comes around goes around” the europeans thrived on migrating and siezing land by force from indegenous populations that were already living there….north and south america,australia,parts of africa and asia…..they took the land, forced there religion and culture on the natives and in many cases relegated those same people to second class citizen status….i guess the europeans are now getting a taste of what they heaped on indegenous cultures around the globe for centuries….to shadow wolf l.a was a native/mestizo community long before it was a black one so how can you displace an area that you are native too.

  • chris schultz

    Jonas Rand,

    In reference to ‘one culture’ you are correct it would come across as nonsensical. Basically, what I am trying to convey is that ‘one culture’ would be represented by a culture if you can call it that of mass consumerism beholden to popular culture and the notion that all people are the same.
    When cultures/races blend together we lose our identity which makes it easier to market to us products that we do not need or want. This is the way of the technology driven, environment destroying modern multi culturalist.

    As for the last question. I think it goes without saying that Christianity is a foreign invader and has largely corrupted and diminished European or for that matter indo aryan sensibilities and beliefs. That said, would you agree that Islam may have the potential to have the same effect? You also must remember that there is currently a longing and desire of many people in particular those of European descent to explore their true pre christian roots without the influence of watchdog groups such as the SPLC.

  • Jonas Rand

    I know, I’m not Ruslan and nor do I pretend to speak for him, but I feel like responding anyway.

    “I realize that capitalism and financial greed in regards to global trade and economy are what constitutes a ‘healthy’ way of life to you.

    However, I personally feel that there are more important aspects of a rich and fulfilling life such as to name couple, cultural integrity, and a strong ecological attachment to the land (which should remain unspoiled)”

    Multiculturalism and coexistence do not destroy cultures and replace them with foreign ones. Multiculturalism allows for cultural integrity, just not a single dominant culture. Cultural continuity can still exist in communities, even if there is no dominant culture.

    “What you are working towards is a multi cultural egalitarian culture which denigrates the powerful in order to make it easier to sell the new ‘one culture’ mass the products of the modern society you have trumpeted.”

    This sentence makes no sense (past ‘one culture’). It’s syntactically incorrect and nonsensical. Could you clarify it?

    “Henry Levin of the center for the study of hate and extremism was eloquently and honestly discussing the conditions in Europe that led to the tragedy in Norway. Though he clearly does not view multi culturalism as profane he at least recognizes the very real grievances which lead to these tragic events. The opposite is true of groups such as the SPLC which is in the Business of the racism of identity denial or racism of assimilation and would prefer not to intellectually examine the conditions which were created by the multi culture proponents themselves.”

    And those conditions are, what exactly? How have they led to the demise of Norwegian culture? Are there Norwegians being forced to attend mosques and convert to Islam by Somalis? Are Norwegians being forced to leave Norway (which would be “displacement)? Were immigrant communities in Europe created through forcibly expelling the “natives”?

  • Jonas Rand

    How can people from developing or least-developed countries share a common “militant mindset”? Most of the world is “third world” countries in the Global South. Gangs are not “brought” from the values of some universal third world culture, but originated when immigrants and poor minorities were unable to integrate into the rest of American society. Gangs sprung up due to lack of available resources, discrimination, and a system that is hard to navigate for poor people, many of whom are people of color. It is not at all the same as cultural displacement when, for example, gangsters carry out a robbery.

    When gangs commit crime, that is totally distinct from immigrants establishing neighborhoods and bringing their culture to their new homes, neither of which amount to takeovers, slow or not. Additionally, there are many instances of neighborhoods of color being gentrified by upper-class whites. This does not mean that “White” people are gradually taking over America, and soon, there will be no culture other than “White”, whatever that is. If immigrants change the dynamics of a neighborhood, whoever was there before could still stay in the city. It is also voluntary for someone to sell their home or leave a neighborhood for somewhere else; no one is being forced out of their homes by immigrants.

    How is the establishment of an immigrant neighborhood at all a threat? When immigrants move into a neighborhood, non-immigrants are free to stay. At the same time, if they are racist and want to move away because they dislike the fact that their neighbors are from another country, they can do that as well. Gang activity is another matter altogether.

    An invasion is when foreign soldiers cross a border to conquer land for a foreign power. Do you think Mexican troops are occupying the Southwest? I hate to break the news, but I live there, and they’re not.

    “It is occuring[sic] everywhere.” – Really? Because I knew nothing of this foreign invasion.

    I’m not familiar with whatever is going on in South Central L.A., but it’s possible that people in the large Black community simply could not afford living expenses in the area, and decided to go elsewhere, making room for new residents.

  • Shadow Wolf

    Jonas,

    At some point, multiculturalism can be slightly destructive to some cultures. Because the dominant race, inhibitants or colonizers may try to divert and prevent the smaller culture from displaying their own. Furthermore, by contrast it is a concept of ethnocide or cultural genocide shrouded in the fabric of multiculturalism. This is what was happening to the Indigenous of the U.S. (Native Americans). Our people is a bona fide exemplification of this. Multiculturalism may render a people to lose their cultural identity along those very lines.

    The illegal immigration levels is caused by our poor economic recovery. Lack of jobs and employment combined with newly enacted immigration laws has contributed to the low immigration rates. Nevertheless, I wholeheardtly agree that the trade policies of our country needs to be changed. NAFTA was a bad idea in that regard.

  • Shadow Wolf

    Jonas: “Immigration is not displacement. When people immigrate to a first world country, from a third world one, the native inhibitants are not uprooted from their land and driven out.”

    The displacement process does not necessarily have to occur by force. They can happen by different circumstances of each situation. Mostly due in part of the gang culture, and militant mindset they bring from third world countries, by establishing a seperatist-like bounderies throughout various neighborhoods. Not to mention gangster graffiti marked about to claim some kind of territory in what it appears to be a once thriving family environment community. These methods alone, is what may contribute to the original inhibitants to pack and leave by choice. Is based upon the safety for themselves and children.
    For a recent example of a form of natural displacement within a society. Look to no further than South Central L.A.. The area was once known as a largely Black community. Today, it is fast becoming a Latino community, mostly made up of both illegal aliens and immigrants alike. The effects of human influx can be a natural form of displacement. Even if it’s not by force but by a rapid soctial changes, in other words–a take over.

    This is exactly what I meant by a “grave and gathering threat”. It is occuring everywhere. This is why the floodgates must need to slammed shut, to help halt the un-necessary and uneeded exodus of human invasion.

  • chris schultz

    Ruslan,

    I realize that capitalism and financial greed in regards to global trade and economy are what constitutes a ‘healthy’ way of life to you.

    However, I personally feel that there are more important aspects of a rich and fulfilling life such as to name couple, cultural integrity, and a strong ecological attachment to the land (which should remain unspoiled)

    What you are working towards is a multi cultural egalitarian culture which denigrates the powerful in order to make it easier to sell the new ‘one culture’ mass the products of the modern society you have trumpeted. Henry Levin of the center for the study of hate and extremism was eloquently and honestly discussing the conditions in Europe that led to the tragedy in Norway. Though he clearly does not view multi culturalism as profane he at least recognizes the very real grievances which lead to these tragic events. The opposite is true of groups such as the SPLC which is in the Business of the racism of identity denial or racism of assimilation and would prefer not to intellectually examine the conditions which were created by the multi culture proponents themselves.

  • Jonas Rand

    “The irony of this event is that the racist multi cultural agenda has enacted violent actions against Northern Europe for the last 20+ years.

    It is essentially a racism that enables governments to displace native cultures and races for “favorable” third world populations. Not only are the proponents of forced diversity racists of the highest order but they are generally hypocrites as well as lacking in self esteem and intelligence.”

    Immigration is not displacement. When people immigrate to a first world country from a third world one, the native inhabitants are not uprooted from their land and driven out. They are free to stay in their country. Nor are their “native cultures” eradicated. No one is stopping folk festivals, art shows, etc. from going on in Europe just because new immigrants arrive. Guess what allows that coexistence to happen? Multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is the opposite of a dominant culture prevailing, whether it is that of native inhabitants or foreigners. Even if third world immigrants to Europe were eliminating “native cultures”, it still wouldn’t be multiculturalism, but an attempt to undermine it. Where’s your evidence that this is going on?

    “In addition, the most vile aspect of this is the question; What type of nationalist kills the children of his own country and blood? That is the job (albeit in a sly underhanded manner) of the SPLC and their comrades.”

    Don’t blame the SPLC, it’s Breivik who called himself a “nationalist” and used the talking points of European fascist/anti-immigrant/nationalist ideology. He committed the massacre because he disagreed with the Labour Party’s politics, .

    Shadow Wolf said,

    “While I agree that illegal immigration and refugees from Third World countries is a serious problem for both Europe and the U.S. Insomuch as a grave and gathering threat. It is a dire issue that needs to be put under control, addressed and contained.”

    Actually, illegal immigration levels are at a record low in the United States. One way to control it would be for the United States to quit promoting free “trade” treaties, which are actually blueprints for exploitation of third world countries and their populations. Another way to control influx in undocumented immigrants would be to revise the American immigration process, which is unnecessarily difficult to navigate. Still another method the European countries could use is pull their militaries out of the useless war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which causes an increase in refugees.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Chris, would you please show how native people in Nordic countries are being “displaced”? Do Norwegian jets land in Africa passing out free residency permits? Are Norwegian families taken out of their homes and forced into camps?

    Also, where you aware that Norway has the highest standards of living in the world? Yet they have more immigrants from the time they took that title as opposed to prior to reaching the top of the HDI(human development index). So that pretty much directly refutes any claim you have that immigration leads to a decline in a country’s health.

  • Shadow Wolf

    Not sure about the “gun control” tidbit as spatted by Charles Coughlin. Each state/country has it’s own methods in dealing with their own “lunatics”. For the Scandinavian Nations and England has prided themselves as being gun free countries long before our Nation even implemented “gun control laws”. But it’s not proven that “gun control laws” actually lessens crime or prevents massacres like the one in Norway.
    I live in a state that is the first in all 50 states to have an official state gun. Where our laws on “gun control” is so lax, anyone without a criminal record can legally own a gun without a permit. Yet, violent crime is still high and no different from D.C’s severe “gun control laws”.

    While I agree that illegal immigration and refugees from Third World countries is a serious problem for both Europe and the U.S. Insomuch as a grave and gathering threat. It is a dire issue that needs to be put under control, addressed and contained.

    Hate Crime Laws is a must, in order to keep the vile White Supremacists in orderly fashion under the rule of law. Where justice can be reached in all judicial fairness, should the racist enemy commit acts of violent and biased motivated crimes based purely on hate. And if the hate crime law is vigorously enforced, it then becomes an effective weapon against the racist enemy.

  • chris schultz

    In addition, the most vile aspect of this is the question; What type of nationalist kills the children of his own country and blood? That is the job (albeit in a sly underhanded manner) of the SPLC and their comrades.

  • chris schultz

    The irony of this event is that the racist multi cultural agenda has enacted violent actions against Northern Europe for the last 20+ years.

    It is essentially a racism that enables governments to displace native cultures and races for “favorable” third world populations. Not only are the proponents of forced diversity racists of the highest order but they are generally hypocrites as well as lacking in self esteem and intelligence.

  • A.D.M.

    I’m curious to know what “Frak” of American Renaissance means by the comment, “Gone forever is the moral high-ground we once had.” Since when did white nationalists, racists, and supremacists had a moral high ground? I don’t think lynching people and oppressing people are morally right. Frak’s other comment, “How in the world can I possibly call any other race violent and bad for Europe and America after this psycho did what he did?” also shows a lack of historical knowledge. A lot of white nationalists are ahistorical. It’s interesting to see Frak and Dutchman being horrified at the terrorist attacks committed in Norway by one of their own. Maybe they will see the error of their ways and leave the bulls–t they’ve believed behind.

    As for David Duke and Kevin MacDonald, those guys are just plain evil. We all have a good side and a bad side, but these guys’ bad side permeates in their hearts and souls.