Thank you. At least you wrote a halfway decent article. Of course, you accuse those who dare say this is race related as “white nationalist commentators with breathless self righteousness.” And you do more apologizing than condemning. (Where do you find white nationalist commentators anyway. Must be a cable network I don’t subscribe to.)

I think this is a problem of economics, and social inequalities. Compare the London riots with what’s happening here in the states. Then also compare the L.A. Riots to all of this.

You (not pointing to any one person – just giving an example) have minorities with unemployment, there’s no where to go due to social program cuts, then with schools – they are shortchanged with programs such as sports/arts…the cirriculum/textbooks is not up to standards – i.e. I remember once I had asked about vocabulary words, and the teacher said I had to do it on my own time – yet, you have some people from the academics field saying blacks can’t learn, or they read and write below standards – yet, look at some of the rap artists, clearly it shows they can read and write as well as think quickly. But again, you have educators saying that all blacks are below standards, not to mention that some people are better at some things while others are not – to explain this, there are people who are very intelligent in some areas, yet, they will tell you, ‘I’m bad at spelling…’

It is a tender box, when you have so many problems in the communities from discriminatory policies such as ‘red-lining,’ the police always use excessive or deadly force, blacks are always being racially profiled, blacks always receive higher bail/sentences than others – even if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no involvement. There are more liquor stores than grocery stores and the prices are almost double than in white neighborhoods (probably the distributors arguing that it costs more to deliver in those neighborhoods or due to theft). Even storage spaces are double the prices in these neighborhoods than that of white counterparts.

The point should be, that with unemployment skyrocketing, and cuts proposed for people unemployed, what do the GOP leaders expect – you have more people with more time on their hands. If this wasn’t true, you wouldn’t have as many people out protesting and picketing, this goes from student protests against rising college costs/fees, tea party, union workers, anti-war groups, immigration groups…if people were working, or having their needs taken care of, they would be busy and wouldn’t get involved in these type activities.

There’s news that BART, in Northern Califas, the police shut off cell-phones to prevent protesters from communicating, or as they say, to prevent disruptions. Interesting, that we said this was wrong when cell-phones and social media was cut to protesters in Egypt and other countries! But then again, there are right-wingers who says we are not a democracy, but a republic.

Given to these recent lawlessness being perpetrated by a gang of marauding Black youths, will only be used as much fodder for the despicable WNs. It will give the abhorrent WN the upper hand in grandstanding on the already frutile race relations, social discourse, rendering further tensions between Whites and non-Whites. In other words, you will see a spike in WN membership, white supremacist hate groups and counter-attacks on Blacks/Latinos by both the vile WN and LEAs.

To rroberts,

You have made an error in logic: I did not “accuse those who dare say this is race related as ‘white nationalist commentators with breathless self righteousness.’ ” I attributed that attitude specifically to commentators who are already recognized to be white nationalists. That does not mean that everyone who might hold such an attitude is, ipso facto, a white nationalist, and nothing I wrote implies that. You’re welcome to accuse me of something, but please be accurate in your accusation.

Robert Steinback
Deputy Editor, Hatewatch blog
SPLC

I am not, in anyway, condoning what these street thugs have done. But, I think it’s time that political leaders listen to these kids concerns. Instead of always using a heavy hand of discipline as a first response, or ignoring the problems until it gets out of hand to use the heavy hand.

The authorities can use the criminal justice system as they always do. But, people need to realize, when these kids and any other kids behave like this, and they are thrown in juvie, these kids eventually come out and are even more angry, and more experienced in crimes. They are more experienced in crimes because the environment they are sent to, they are surrounded by nothing by people who have committed crimes, they are sucked into gangs while locked up….they are more angry, or become more angry because that criminal record will stay with them and prevent them from getting a second chance. Remember, these kids probably feel like they have nothing to lose (which they do, and that is their freedom from jail), if they had a job, hope, and opportunities, they would probably think twice. So, in my opinion, the situation will be compounded by cutting social programs/services and all other attempts to further disenfranchise minority youths. I should say all youths, actually, because you now have teens and adults competing for the same jobs.

Maybe because there is lack of evidence to show these things are not race-related. It is possible for a perpetrator to commit a crime against a victim and not have it be about ethnicity. It’s about intent. If x commits a crime against y and y’s ethnicity is not a factor and it’s just about wanting to get money, then it’s not about ethnicity. In the current economy, many people can commit crimes just to get money. It’s wrong and should be condemned, but it’s true. It’s funny how the same people who want these folks condemned don’t condemn the bankers for destroying the economy.

As for white nationalist commentators, they don’t have to be on cable networks to spew their garbage. They’re on white nationalist websites and even Youtube. Oh, and the writer is not apologizing. The writer is pointing out the fact that a lot of young black folks come from areas that have little to no jobs and community centers and a lot of young black folks have some form of internalized hate.

With all that said, I agree with the comments made by Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter.

Who are and where do you find White Nationalists commentator? I am moderately conservative, listen to Fox, etc, but have never heard anything that comes close to White Nationalist rhetoric.

Mr. Steinbock: I accept your explanation, but that is also a common approach used by liberal media. For example: Call someone who believes marriage is between a man and a woman a ‘bigot.’ Then when someone questions you, say “Oh, I didn’t mean all people who believe that are bigots.’

The point is, when you make comment like that, it is easy to assume that you are meaning everyone with that point of view.

A.D.M.,
We can all agree with the mayor. However, it still doesn’t solve the problem. If you listen to what the kids said, it may sound like it’s racists, but it’s really about picking out someone who have more than you or someone you believe have something you want, much like a common or petty thief.
Listen to what they say, ‘whites were easy targets.’ Well, when you put that into context, most criminals look for easy targets, much like purse-snatchers usually target elderly women or women with kids/multiple shopping bags. The men that target kids, like kids because they believe kids are easier than adults – they look at them as targets. Then you have the men that like to target women in bars/clubs/parties for women who may have had too much to drink. All of this is no different than the ‘preppy facebook killer,’ he sought out women on facebook.

Then look at the economy, with the little gains that a majority of blacks had, that took at least 3 decades to get, it is now gone. Blacks were the first to lose their jobs in this economy. I’m not justifying their behavior, but it is a sad day when a mayor says things like this, because no matter what any minority does in this country it won’t help. For instance, no matter what any Arab looking person does, white people will still look at them as if they are a threat to them. No matter what a black person does, they still will believe that blacks inferior/sub-human because they are taught this.

Something that did not get much attention, in Ohio, a teacher, that’s right, a teacher at an elementary school held a mock slave auctions in her classroom where the black and mix-race kids were treated as slaves. Then a elementary school teacher in Virginia holds a mock slave auction in her classroom – these kids were subjected to the white kids being able to sell and buy black slaves, and play master. All of this happened recently, this year in fact. Let’s not forget the mock civil war reenactments where white kids were allowed to wear klan uniforms in school, this happened in several schools as well.

This kind of thing happens when doors that were opening for a previous generation are slammed shut in the faces of those who follow. There first is rage, then purposelessness, then purposeless rage… then, an autocannibalistic resignation. We’ve seen it in three different groups: white lower-middle class groups here, black displaced working class groups here, and “yobs”- declassed youths- in England. The yobs are perhaps closest to bottom in this cycle. Those who hit bottom are ready to be re-enserfed. It’s a cycle that has to be reversed if we’re to have anything like a decent world.

At rroberts. I’ll do it, If you believe my relationship with my partner deserves a lower standing in society or non at all, you ARE a bigot. I will back down from speaking truth to assholes, like you.

Rroberts, did you at least acknowledge that the SPLC had in fact reported this incident before you asked about it? Secondly, there is no such thing as “the liberal media.” There are liberal commentators on the media, but overall the media is incredibly centrist.

Lastly, when you say someone who “believes marriage is between a man and a woman”(which is not exactly ahistorical), I assume you mean someone who believes that gay people should be denied certain rights. I would say that fits the definition of a bigot.

Another proof that conservatives are indeed bigots is how they are always so concerned about anti-white racism or crimes involving blacks, while they have rarely ever heard of any injustices which happen to black Americans. Take for example the young man in San Francisco who was recently executed for not having a bus transfer. Or Oscar Grant for example. In all those cases, conservatives claim that they “should’ve done what they were told,” and applaud. Bring up Randy Weaver though, and they’ll tell you it was a tragedy if not an atrocity, and that it signifies the government taking away our(READ: whites’) freedom.

Mayor Nutter has let down Black people. He is a house slave who is boss in name only and submits to the authority of the white upper class, leaving the poor Black masses languishing in poverty. No wonder there are riots: oppression causes disenfranchised and marginalized populations to seek a feeling of power. This occurs as a result of the pent-up anger due to having no voice and no power for so long. Free Mumia Abu Jamal!

By the way, John Tanton and his network of white nationalist anti-immigrant organizations have spokespeople who are invited by Fox to be interviewed. They are not exactly the same as neo-Nazis, as they do not admire the fascist economics or political views of Adolf Hitler. Instead, US white nationalists want a nation for “real Americans”, and are against immigration from non-European countries. That is a white nationalist view. Also, could you give an example of left-wing bias in mainstream media? Democratic Party does not count, by the way.

To skinnyminny: I usually agree with your posts, but in this case I have to ask, with all due respect: what is wrong about the re-enactment of some of the worst abuses of slavery, in this case the auction? How else will children learn about the true horror of the institution? To re-enact something is not to justify it, but to show what it was.
There’s an interesting discussion of this very issue — the discomfort felt by black visitors to Colonial Williamsburg — in a volume edited by James Oliver Horton and Lois E. Horton, “Slavery and Public History: The Tough Stuff of American Memory.” (University of North Carolina Press, 2006.) The book also deals with other important aspects of how we recall and represent slavery, and is a useful antidote to the poison of Neo-Confederacy.

What other factors that might contribute to this Black uprising, could also be blamed on immigration(legal or illegal). When many foreigners, particularly those from south of the border, have been occupying the job sector, many of them in the labor dept. for the last decade. Leaving out the Black worker in dismay.

This is why immigration must be addressed. A no Amnesty plan, combined with precise access into this country might help the American working class.

Look even for the injustice blacks face in Usa it does not excuse or legitimize violent racism against whites, Dont justify these actions, racist attacks of all types should be condemned and punished according to law

I wonder mr. steinback. If mobs of poor whites were singling out jews for attacks, beating them senseless, even to the point of fracturing their skulls, would you provide apologies and excuses for this hate?

Would you say, “because of the poor economy, and their relative deprivation, they are acting out”?

Would you quote some other apologist for the attackers that says “i believe this is an issue of age and economics……its about economic differences, not anti-semitism”. Would you do this?

Would you rationalise the behavior of the white attackers by saying “they are entirely bereft of political motivation”. Would you really do this?

If not, then you are a blatant hypocrite. You are dishonest, immoral, and indecent. Mr. Nutter needs to give you some lessons in morality. You clearly lack morals.

Note that there have been over twenty five such attacks in madison wisconsin alone. So, while the splc cover some “graffitti” on its main pages as though its somehow “devastating”, you belittle and minimize dozens and dozens of assaults on whites that occurred just because of the skin color of the victims. Stunning!

Based on the disparity in coverage of different incidents, it is clear to me that the splc has a truly minority-centric view of hate. Hate against minorities is of utmost importance and deserving of attention, while hate against the majority…….when covered at all, is typically minimized and/or excused.

So much for equal treatment of all groups. Your organizations actions don’t reflect its “breathless self righteous” rhetoric.

Ruslan,
You are so right about the problems at bart! There is a case happening right now in Fullerton, Califas. but this will be a slam-dunk case. A white homeless man Kelly Thomas, was beaten to death by the police, there are pictures on youtube and different sites to show this man face/head after the beating. People on the bus saw this happening, it was six police officers ( it is alleged, one of the officers lost an eye while working for Los Angeles and they refused to hire him back, so he went to work for Fullerton). The bus service in Fullerton had recorded the witnesses during the beating, you can hear the witnesses saying that the police murdered Mr. Thomas…The people want the chief to step down, but, he instead went on medical leave. But yeah, the conservatives are really eating this one up, i.e. John & Ken show, siding with the family of the victim, they are not saying, “he should have done what he was told.” I agree with the protesters, the police allegedly beat this man with flashlights…I think, I can’t remember, but, I think his father is a former police officer.

Jonas Rand,
I don’t fully agree with you. Again, it is the polices aimed at minorities. One point that I keep pointing out, is the free speech issue, especially when it comes to rappers. This weekend, rapper The Game, did something stupid with his twitter. Telling people to call a number, which was a direct line to the sheriff’s, for an intern program. Well, the sheriff said they will be filing charges against him, because ‘he can’t use the 1st amendment…’

Now with the mayor, he should be focusing on the advertisers, and the need for public media instead of corporate media. It’s a shame that the media we have in this country have to rely on advertisers saying buy this and buy that. If kids are trying to look at cartoons, there are commercials to target them for different toys and breakfast cereals. For teenagers, they advertise the latest technology, makeup, sports drinks…Then when you go into the store they intentionally put certain items in place for impulse buyers and kids. Go to the mailbox and the majority of mail is sale ads. When I listen to the radio, there are commercials for home loan refinancing, gold…this is truly sad, because in today’s economy, there are so many ads bombarding the airways as if we are still having a booming economy.

red diaper baby 1942,
how else will the kids learn? You’re kidding right? At a time when all of the political leaders are calling the pres different derogatory names…they never made fun of former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s name. At a time when teas and other groups have actually made threats…do you honestly think this is sending a good message, or an attempt to teach kids about history when it appears as if we are reliving history? As for me, when I see that they can have so much disrespect towards the leader, and NSM is holding rallies in my neighborhood, yes, I have a problem with that, and you should too.

Seth,
I don’t speak for the SPLC, I am speaking for me. But, indeed, there was a case of a jewish man beaten because he was jewish this year. It was in Coto de Caza, Califas, try looking up the info, two young skinheads were arrested for this.
Not to mention, it is a daily rant that they are the ‘ZIONist,’ perhaps you haven’t looked at Gordon B. Hinckley’s “The Family A Proclamatio to the World.” Nor have you looked at, “Oath of Vengeance,” after the Mountain Meadows Massacre and Missouri Gov. Bogg issued an extermination order of Mormons, because this is when they had a prophecy that ,”America would be a mormon kingdom of zion.” Look it up, read it and weep. LOL!

More liberal brianwhashing dissinformation. Whoever compiled this piece of crap should be fired, or better yet, beaten by a group of black youth. I’m so sick of this type of pathetic journalism (did I just say journalism ? shame on me). Of the ‘hundreds’ of black on white hate crimes that have taken place over the past few years, this one and the many like it are reticent of the beloved ‘kill whitey’ rap songs that reverbeate through black communities. No more liberal, we should all feel guilty complex rhetoric of these past years ! I’m sick of it.

No, I’m sorry, but this analysis is discrediting to the SPLC. We lose all credibility in opposing racism when we don’t oppose it fairly and consistently. I can’t imagine anyone associated with the SPLC putting forth this analysis if the reverse circumstances were true, and this pattern of attacks was White-on-Black. For this basic lack of fairness, and for giving the vile “White Nationalists” ammunition to use against when they allege the SPLC has a bias against Whites in general rather than just racist Whites, you have lost a long time reader.

“… or just a familiar spilling over of boredom and frustration from a teenage class that is still wracked by high unemployment and minuscule prospects for opportunity and advancement,..”

IOW justifiable response to injustice and oppression

“apparent wave of STREET ROWDINESS”

…. tell that to Carter Strange and his mother

or to Tom Fitzgerald

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Robbing people with smaller paychecks is the name of the game in the USA now. It’s an attitude so thick that it has spread into every institution. It is the same attitude that every bully has, regardless of who or where he is.

Even towns and cities’ budgets are being robbed.

Furthermore, what is happening in Wisconsin is a perfect example of that mindset. It’s an offshoot of the entire business community’s philosophy and their stock market losses and gains which raise them on the income ladder. Insurance companies are heavily involved, but everyone is in the stock markets now and that gambling has resulted in huge profits for them and loss for everyone else.

As a result, riches cannot come from hard workers now, because wealth always trickles up from below, not down, and there are too many workers who are being paid very low wages and given the extra work of two or more people besides. At the same time prices are going up for everything, especially for child care.

American children have seen this happening for generations now, but they are wise to the game and angry at having been played so easily and with more outright malice from the wealthiest leisure and political classes.

None of us would welcome being treated like the cause of the stock markets’ problems. Why is it always the powerless who are blamed for economic problems caused by our endless speculation and foreign wars?

“Seth said,

I wonder mr. steinback. If mobs of poor whites were singling out jews for attacks, beating them senseless, even to the point of fracturing their skulls, would you provide apologies and excuses for this hate?”

I’d say those mobs of poor whites would be pretty stupid. Also, how would they so readily identify Jews?

“Would you say, “because of the poor economy, and their relative deprivation, they are acting out”?”

If you took the time to look, you would see that a lot of the right-wing behavior of whites has been attributed to economic woes. White people don’t take economic crises in the US very well, mainly because they believe in the myth of meritocracy. They foolishly think that if they work hard and follow all the rules, they will succeed. As a result, when the economy causes millions of them to fail, they need a scapegoat, usually in the form of illegal immigrants, black people, and for some, Jews.

“Would you quote some other apologist for the attackers that says “i believe this is an issue of age and economics……its about economic differences, not anti-semitism”. Would you do this?”

Again your scenario is ridiculous because most white people would not blame Jews for their predicament(there’s absolutely no reason to) and see Jews as being white.

And as I said, many sources have blamed the economic crisis for the rise of right-wing extremism.

“Would you rationalise the behavior of the white attackers by saying “they are entirely bereft of political motivation”. Would you really do this?”

If it WAS bereft of political motivation, maybe they would. But the fact is to single out and attack Jews takes a lot of planning and organization by people who obsess over Jews. That would suggest a political motive.

“If not, then you are a blatant hypocrite. You are dishonest, immoral, and indecent. Mr. Nutter needs to give you some lessons in morality. You clearly lack morals.”

TRANSLATION: Herp derp.

“Note that there have been over twenty five such attacks in madison wisconsin alone. So, while the splc cover some “graffitti” on its main pages as though its somehow “devastating”, you belittle and minimize dozens and dozens of assaults on whites that occurred just because of the skin color of the victims. Stunning!”

Did it say the graffiti was “devastating”? You put it in quotes? And also, please stop whining. You white nationalists are above all whiny, whiny people. Imagine if they had not mentioned this story at all. Then you’d be whining about that.

“Hate against minorities is of utmost importance and deserving of attention, while hate against the majority…….when covered at all, is typically minimized and/or excused.”

You do realize that the hate against minorities has caused far more problems for America, including for white Americans, than what may amount to a short term wave of mini-riots? These people aren’t stockpiling guns and having para-military training sessions. They aren’t building bombs. They don’t have mailing lists and business to fund their activities.

The fact is that you wanted to whine about them not covering it at all, but then you found they did cover it so you have to whine about it.

Danno, which “kill whitey” rap songs are you referring to?

Skinny M.

Are you aware that what this Black uprising will only do is add to the further damage to themselves as Black people? Call it backfiring in their faces, but these thuggish acts will not solve anything, it will just lead to the mistrust and distant the public relations between Black communities and Police Depts.

When some of the commentors, say this is self-inflictory. They are politely translating this as:

“If you upset the entire Black community, they will throw up a riot”. Or “In fact, Blacks have a long history of rioting.”

Perhaps you’re right, there is a sense of history going on there. The relavancy of Blacks and riots.

Skinny, I was only talking about the re-enactment of a slave auction in school. So I don’t quite see your point. I agree with you completely about the terrible racism endemic in American society, but closing our eyes to history isn’t the solution. That merely leaves a vacuum, giving space to the ghastly Neo-Confederates, the CCC and other apologists for slavery.
As you can can tell from my user-name, I’ve been around long enough to have witnessed Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement of the 60′s, and the white backlash which followed it. Not to mention the Republican “Southern strategy”, the bitter fruit of which we’re now witnessing with Perry, Bachmann et al.

Tim Wise shows that white mob violence is often ignored as “boy will be boys”, and documents a number of mini-riots which occurred on several university campuses, mostly connected with crack-downs on underage drinking. The infamous riots and rapes at Woodstock 99 were also almost exclusively white, but few ever pointed this out. Europe is also known for its football hooligan violence, but few people ever connect whites and mob violence.

Yes, this has done damage to the reputation of black Americans- but one has to wonder why similar behavior on behalf of whites does not get this kind of attention or do the same kind of damage.

“You’ve damaged yourself. You damaged another person. You damaged your peers. And quite honestly, you damaged your own race,” you should be a good “boy” instead but even if you are your chances of being incarcerated and disenfranchised are more than 10%. Racists don’t need these crimes to justify or explain their racism. They will happily find other “support” for their racist views just as Shadow Wolf will find plenty of other reasons to push his anti-immigrant agenda.

This is furter proof of the meltdown in the black race, but blacks aren’t alone. Whites aren’t too far behind.. The truth is whether all of you so called progresive minded agnostic, atheists or whatever you choose to ID yourselves. When we take morality out of our society. This is what we get from having a moralless in the name of political correctness in appeasing the troublemakers of the world.
May God have mercy on America, if it is not too late.

If this type of violent attacks are largly ignored they will escolate , the attackers will get bolder and more violent.

if the attacks are based on racism it´s worse because then the focus it´s mostly on causing violence rather then random vandalism and it must be stopped because else it will spread like cancer.

Ruslan Amirkhanov

Hes rerfering to Kill Whitey a song made by a black supremacist hip hop group named Menace Clan, it´s as racist as it´s gets. It sounds like a song made by Grinded Nig turned into hiphop and the n word replaced with cracker

The song is equally extreme in it´s racism to the worst neo nazi songs ive heard in my life and thats saying alot, the neo nazi song six million more by bully boys is on the same caliber. Thats how bad it is :(

Thankfully they just released one cd and black supremacist hiphop has never gained any ground.

“No, I’m sorry, but this analysis is discrediting to the SPLC. We lose all credibility in opposing racism when we don’t oppose it fairly and consistently. I can’t imagine anyone associated with the SPLC putting forth this analysis if the reverse circumstances were true, and this pattern of attacks was White-on-Black. For this basic lack of fairness, and for giving the vile “White Nationalists” ammunition to use against when they allege the SPLC has a bias against Whites in general rather than just racist Whites, you have lost a long time reader.” – Arnold

A hate crime can be a hate crime if the perpetrator does the crime with intent to kill or harm somebody because of their nationality, skin color, etc. From what I see, these folks did what they did for money. Yes, it’s possible for a crime to be committed by a perpetrator against a victim and NOT have it be about the victim’s looks. Did “race” play a role? Maybe, but there has to be evidence for a predetermined plan to attack somebody because of how they look. The cops seem to have not found evidence of that. But I could be wrong. For example, if a white person robbed a black person for their money and that’s the ONLY reason the former is robbing the latter, that would just be a crime, NOT a hate crime.

The writer of the article is NOT excusing these events. Neither am I. These actions should be condemned by everybody and I think it was a good thing when Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter imposed a curfew. Although, I find it odd he only imposed a curfew on the downtown and university areas only, not the whole city.

By the way, people, SPLC is NOT forgiving toward non-whites who have hate for others. Click on the “Anti-White” tab and you’ll see stories of blacks attacking whites because they were white. And take a look at this: ^[3]

i’ve been quiet on this, but i have to say that if this is true it ain’t good…..it ain’t good when a white person attacks a black person because of racial hatred or other bigotry and it certainly is not right when a black person, latino or asian etc does the same to any other ethnic group….two wrongs don’t make a right.and SHADOW WOLF you need to get off of your immigrant bashing….you are continually posting on here about native americans always being discriminated against by whites and then you go and do the same to another ethnic group it’s called hypocrisy i believe…….and by the way most of the immigrants from south of the border are NATIVE AMERICAN!!….there ancestors have been on this continent for thousands of years!!….you remind me of barbara coe the racist lady from orange county ca….she was born in the pineridge indian reservation in south dakota i believe and she joins ranks with all the neo nazi’s to discriminate against other native people of this continent…..scapegoating does not solve problems it only makes them worse.

Concerned Citizen agnostics and atheists are, in general, quite moral people. You see we don’t believe that we can be absolved of our sins simply by confessing Jesus Christ as our personal savior so we actually have to try to be good. I’m not sure what you mean by political correctness but when most folks use it they mean something like politeness and civility, both things we could use a great deal more of in our politics. You clearly don’t have much room for such things in your discourse. May God have mercy on the rest of the world since America is one of the biggest troublemakers and has been for a long time.

Actually Concerned, whites were already ahead. Look up the Topeka riots, for example. Also, morality does not equal religion.

Lex, I just heard that song. It’s very, very, anti-white and disturbing. I’m glad they and their black supremacist bulls–t never gained any ground and were quickly forgotten. And these flash mob attacks are getting a lot of media attention. I’ve seen numerous reports about it on CNN and MSNBC, the networks some conservatives label as having a “liberal bias.”

By the way, Danno, there has been a rise in interracial relationships. That includes white male/black female and black male/white female relationships. I think it would be not so wise to say everybody in x group hates everybody in y group.

red-diaper baby 1942,
Okay, I see what you’re saying. However, I just don’t see it that way. I see it as a way to inflame/stoke racial tensions, or, maybe practice for what’s coming (John Hagee allegedly told his flock to prepare for a cornerstone and have them a slave, the mormons believe in slavery, and then you hear other rightwingers saying slavery wasn’t bad, even the black guy Peterson). But, here’s why I have a problem with this, it always, and I mean always turn into a black-white thing. You never see these groups or people talking about the white Irish slave trade. Yes, that’s true, the Irish were slaves here in the English colonies before the black slaves came. What’s happening with this, they are changing some of the wording to be indentured servants – at the time, both were property, that is slaves and indentured servants. Servants, at least some were able to sign away there rights, and later they were able to do away to get out of this as the black slaves arrived. Oh, and the germans, they were, what some would consider the modern day Latino at the time – the English settlers, if I’m not mistaken didn’t have such a good view of people of the Europe countries that they restricted immigration.

Now with the comments about this being a racial thing – hell, everyone target whites for money/material goods/a better life, the Somali pirates weren’t considered racist, the white American businessmen are targeted for kidnap in Mexico, Colombia and other countries for ransom so much that they have to purchase ransom insurance. Most men from Morocco will openly say they want to marry rich white women. Some Asian women will marry white men for money. So, to make this about race, it’s not really it. I agree with Mitch who said that the workers are not really as well of as people think, but then let’s also look at the case in Arizona with Shawna Forde, they wanted to rob the family – so again, people look at who they think have something they want. But Mitch, you have to admit, if a black person walks into a bank, they will be viewed with much more suspicion that a white person walking into a bank. So because they are watched so much, and if they are in a area where there aren’t many blacks, they will really be watched, they can’t really pull off anything that whites can, i.e. the geezer bandit. It’s racist when people let their guard down because of a person’s race – such as letting their guard down because a person is white.

Lex,

As a fan of underground rap music myself, harboring enough knowledge in this genre while promoting it. I can assure you that the same can be said of racist rappers from faux rap artists. Many of them in the “Juggalo” sector:

Racist “Juggalo” Busted:
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Although, racist “wiggas” in the rap genre is somewhat minimal. Black Supremacist rap artists are just as vague as racist “wiggas” in the hip-hop scene. But everyone knows there are plenty of neo-Nazi/WP/racist rock/metal bands amongst.

red-diaper baby 1942,
I see concern with all of them. Let’s not forget Paul who wants to convert to gold – let’s just use Shays Rebellion as an example for this. Do you see the similarities, after the war, farmers couldn’t use paper money to stop the foreclosure on their farms.

Romney, well, let’s say, he said he will not participate in any more straw polls…he says he’s unemployed, yet, his wealth is estimated to be 425 million. People questioned how many homes McCain own, how about this guy, he owns a home in Canada, Colorado, upscale Lajolla Califas…but, he claimed he lived in his son’s unfinished basement. Also, try looking at Bonneville International and Bonneville Holdings – they own quite a few radio and television stations, Marriott Hotels…this one you will find very disturbing about the different types of baptism services.

Something else that people are not paying attention to, because it didn’t make big news, Limbaugh and Hannity parent company admitting to hiring actors to call radio show – that’s right, fake callers.

Now, to go back to the mock auctions, do you think that white people will sit back and let history be taught of them, i.e. Reginald Denny from the Rodney King incident (maybe this is a poor example), but, again, do you think they will sit idly by and let this happen. So, kids need to know their history, but not publicly ridiculed/humiliated in the process. I think what’s happening here is a lack of empathy until they are the subject of something. They do things and say they meant no harm, it was a joke, i.e. Miley Cyrus mocking of Asian people, or having a mock school session about Arabs, the foodstamps with Obama or the emails with Obama and family as chimps, but, when the shoe is on the other foot, it’s almost as if we have to tiptoe, toe the line, be silent and treat them as gods or something, all the while we are not to do these things as jokes or otherwise.

red-diaper baby 1942,
I can’t believe that people are not seeing the writings on the wall. They are saying corporations are people, yet, they won’t tell the people who are backing/financing/donating to their campaigns, on the other hand, you can’t even go to a ball game without knowing all the corporations sponsoring the games with their big billboards plastered all over the arenas.

I can’t believe people are not seeing this also, they all complain about big government. Haven’t you at least seen on the news at least once, the middle eastern countries with the big/large parliament? You’re talking hundreds of members. Now, look at our government officials, you’re talking hundreds of members – are they cutting some of these positions. So here we go, like middle eastern countries, religious members are at the forefront, and you have the big parliaments – in this country all of the republican runners are running on a religious platform, they talk of big government, but, this is affecting the actual working class. Are you following me on this one? Now, back to lds, Joseph Smith had a prophecy that one day the constitution will be hanging on a thread – do you see the similarities in this, the republicans want to strip away the 14th amendment, and change the constitution on certain issues.

Then back to Premiere co hiring actors to call in radio show, look at how the recent straw polls, they used campaign money to bus people in for free meals and votes that was at a cost of $30 a ticket, so do you see what’s happening here – that could also be a reason that some of the online polls. I just can’t believe people are not seeing what’s happening right in front of them.

Shadow Wolf
Theres even a neo nazi hiphop singer who calls himself NEO HATE and has made lovly songs like kill all them jews,
Indeed racism has infeceted all genres of music

Theres techno neo nazi groups like Dj Adolf as well

Ruslan said:
If you took the time to look, you would see that a lot of the right-wing behavior of whites has been attributed to economic woes.

Me:
Really? The SPLC attributes hate crimes committed by whites to economic woes? Please post some links. I have NEVER seen the SPLC provide excuses or rationalizations for hate crimes committed by whites. In my original post, I simply noted that the SPLC is excusing and minimizing the attacks by blacks on whites in Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Madison by claiming that they are “acting out” because of “the economy”. Please show me one SINGLE place where the SPLC has similarly excused hate crimes committed by whites against non-whites by claiming “the economy made them do it.” Just one…..

Ruslan said:
And as I said, many sources have blamed the economic crisis for the rise of right-wing extremism.

Me:
The SPLC has said this? What “sources”? Do you wear tin foil on your head? Mainstream news sources have excused white hate crimes because of the “economy”? Please provide links. Again, I have not seen one single one of these alleged stories in the mainstream press. Please don’t provide some link to stormfront. That is not exactly the mainstream press.

Ruslan said:
You do realize that the hate against minorities has caused far more problems for America, including for white Americans, than what may amount to a short term wave of mini-riots? These people aren’t stockpiling guns and having para-military training sessions. They aren’t building bombs. They don’t have mailing lists and business to fund their activities.

Me:
Ah, we finally get to the true feelings of Ruslan. Translation: BECAUSE OF THE PAST, HATE CRIMES AGAINST MINORITIES MATTER, AND HATE CRIMES AGAINST WHITE AMERICANS ARE NOT IMPORTANT. Groups should be treated unequally when it comes to hate crimes because Ruslan has animosity towards white people. He has this idea of “inter-generational racial guilt” that even a fifteen year old white person is an “evil oppressor” and “deserves violent payback”, whereas all minorities are impoverished victims simply striking back at the “evil capitalist 15 year old oppressor”. All your other answers are really irrelevent Ruslan. I wish you would have just stated your opinion from the beginning and saved me some time. There is no use debating any specifics when I know that you simply disdain whites and think they all deserve to be victimized. Thanks for your honesty.

So Ruslan, do you think we should change all the laws in the US? Do you think that law enforcement should only prosecute crimes when the victim is a minority and the perpetrator is white? Conversely, do you think we should ignore crimes when the victim is white and the perpetrator is a minority?
We could change all the laws on the books to follow these “Ruslan” guidelines.

If it were Ruslan’s choice, would the law be applied in this unequal way? As some kind of attempt at “Ruslan’s justice”?
If you think only hate crimes against minorities matter, you should also feel that only crimes committed against minorities matter. The logic is the same Ruslan.

BTW
You referenced my concerns for the obvious bias of the SPLC regarding hate crimes committed against whites. When I looked around the website, I found even more evidence for this opinion. Under the link “Hate Incidents” on the main page of this site, listed are:

“Hate Incidents”
-In Des Moines, a black doll was hung from a tree
-In Detroit, a nasty email was sent
-In Florida, slurs were painted on a stop sign

Yet over 25 violent racial attacks of blacks on whites happened in Madison Wisconsin alone. This doesn’t include the dozens of attacks that occurred at the Wisconsin Fair, in Philadelphia, or in Chicago. People have had skulls fractured, been knocked unconscious, and have been severely injured by blacks, simply because they are white.
Is this really less important than a nasty email, or a “slur painted on a stop sign”? Where is the balance here? Which is more damaging? Permanent brain damage, or an email that can be deleted?

Yet the SPLC doesn’t have one SINGLE LISTING for any of these HATE CRIMES under their “Hate Incidents” section.
These hate crimes instead are pushed to the back of the bus (Ruslan likes this because “white people need to pay”) in the vague “Blogs” section. And here, they aren’t even treated as hate crimes at all, but are excused, candy coated and minimized by the SPLC and their “hate watchdogs”. Give me strength.

The bias is stunning. Even in this report, the title at the top of the page is “Keeping an eye on the radical right.” Again, this says it all. The SPLC is concerned only about hate crimes against minorities. Left wing intolerance and hate and the hatred of minorities against whites is innocuous and doesn’t need to be fixed. That is the position of the SPLC. The ideology is IMPLICIT, never explicit. Being explicit would cost the SPLC funding and of course money makes the world go around. Being explicit about the SPLCs bias would require honesty and morality. Two things that are obviously in short supply at the SPLC.

Lastly, call me what you want. I am not a “white nationalist”, but I am a caucasian that loves his family and wants them to be able to walk the streets without being viciously attacked just because they are white. I also do not want to be attacked just because I am white. If the people on this website cannot understand this, then you are truly disturbed and you are far from “progressive”.

I cannot speak for Ruslan, he can do that himself. But I’ll say this:
1. The writer of the article is NOT, I repeat, NOT defending or sugar coating these flash mob attacks. The writer is writing an article in the way a newspaper writer would: give all the details and information given by third party (people who don’t work the organization the writer works for) folks and write about it. The writer himself didn’t come up with the economy angle. If you read the article, you’ll see the economy angle was made by the CEO of Open Doors, NOT Steinbeck. He’s not picking sides here. The writer, Robert Steinbeck, and the SPLC, are NOT defending their actions. As I said before, hate crimes committed by minorities have been spotlighted here.

2. As for these other incidents you’re talking about, post them here. And as I mentioned earlier, a hate crime is about intent. If there’s no intent in attacking some one because of their ethnicity or nationality, it’s not a hate crime. The Madison PD is pursuing hate crime charges against the people who did the attacking because they saw whites as “easy targets.” I say good. But you keep going on and on about some cases where whites were attacked because they were white. In those cases you never mentioned or posted, is there proof or evidence showing intent? If the attackers attacked because they wanted money or because they’re assholes and there was no intent on attacking because of the victims’ features, then it’s not an HC. If a white person attacked a black person because of money, not “race,” then it’s not a hate crime. You say you’re not a white nationalist (I don’t know you, so I won’t accuse of being that), but you sound like you follow people like Jared Taylor.

“Really? The SPLC attributes hate crimes committed by whites to economic woes? Please post some links. I have NEVER seen the SPLC provide excuses or rationalizations for hate crimes committed by whites. In my original post, I simply noted that the SPLC is excusing and minimizing the attacks by blacks on whites in Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Madison by claiming that they are “acting out” because of “the economy”. Please show me one SINGLE place where the SPLC has similarly excused hate crimes committed by whites against non-whites by claiming “the economy made them do it.” Just one…..”

Some of this has been handled already by A.D.M., but I went and found some links anyway:

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“Me:
The SPLC has said this? What “sources”? Do you wear tin foil on your head? Mainstream news sources have excused white hate crimes because of the “economy”? Please provide links. Again, I have not seen one single one of these alleged stories in the mainstream press. Please don’t provide some link to stormfront. That is not exactly the mainstream press.”

First of all, your argument is a strawman because nobody is saying that these youth did what they did simply because of the economy. That would easily be disproved by the vast majority of black youth who haven’t done anything remotely like this.

What I said was that the SPLC and others have noted the correlation between economic crisis and the rise of right-wing extremism, including white nationalism.

“Ah, we finally get to the true feelings of Ruslan. Translation: BECAUSE OF THE PAST, HATE CRIMES AGAINST MINORITIES MATTER, AND HATE CRIMES AGAINST WHITE AMERICANS ARE NOT IMPORTANT.”

Sorry but that is a strawman so you failed. And what is this “past” you speak of? Many organizations with a history of domestic terrorism still exist to this day, including the Klan and offshoots of the Aryan nations.

Next time confine your rebuttals to the arguments I actually make.

” Groups should be treated unequally when it comes to hate crimes because Ruslan has animosity towards white people. He has this idea of “inter-generational racial guilt” that even a fifteen year old white person is an “evil oppressor” and “deserves violent payback”, whereas all minorities are impoverished victims simply striking back at the “evil capitalist 15 year old oppressor”.”

Please show me where I have said this. It would be pretty stupid of me to have such sentiments, seeing as how I’m white.

” All your other answers are really irrelevent Ruslan. I wish you would have just stated your opinion from the beginning and saved me some time.”

My opinion, or the one you have fashioned for me?

” There is no use debating any specifics when I know that you simply disdain whites and think they all deserve to be victimized. Thanks for your honesty.”

Wait a minute? You were debating with ME? I saw you tearing into that strawman and figured you were too busy.

“So Ruslan, do you think we should change all the laws in the US? Do you think that law enforcement should only prosecute crimes when the victim is a minority and the perpetrator is white? Conversely, do you think we should ignore crimes when the victim is white and the perpetrator is a minority?”

Uh..YEAH! I think that no law should apply to “non-white” people. That makes a LOT of sense and I could TOTALLY see how you could get such an idiotic idea from my words.

“If it were Ruslan’s choice, would the law be applied in this unequal way? As some kind of attempt at “Ruslan’s justice”?”

Again, are you speaking of some other Ruslan? I’ve never suggested anything like this.

“BTW
You referenced my concerns for the obvious bias of the SPLC regarding hate crimes committed against whites. When I looked around the website, I found even more evidence for this opinion. Under the link “Hate Incidents” on the main page of this site, listed are:

“Hate Incidents”
-In Des Moines, a black doll was hung from a tree
-In Detroit, a nasty email was sent
-In Florida, slurs were painted on a stop sign

Yet over 25 violent racial attacks of blacks on whites happened in Madison Wisconsin alone. This doesn’t include the dozens of attacks that occurred at the Wisconsin Fair, in Philadelphia, or in Chicago. People have had skulls fractured, been knocked unconscious, and have been severely injured by blacks, simply because they are white.”

Evidence please. There has only been a clear racial motive in one incident thus far.

“Is this really less important than a nasty email, or a “slur painted on a stop sign”? Where is the balance here? Which is more damaging? Permanent brain damage, or an email that can be deleted?”

You can play this game endlessly. What’s worse, having your church set on fire, or getting your skull kicked in. The question is what YOU considered so important prior to these mob incidents. Were you some crusader against hate-crimes? I doubt it.

“The bias is stunning. Even in this report, the title at the top of the page is “Keeping an eye on the radical right.” Again, this says it all. The SPLC is concerned only about hate crimes against minorities. Left wing intolerance and hate and the hatred of minorities against whites is innocuous and doesn’t need to be fixed. ”

Feel free to post crimes committed by left wing groups. You’d be the first.

Seth,
Dude! You are really trying to prove a racist connection aren’t you? Well, here’s a connection I can definitely prove, guys like you always do things and then say, ‘see, look over there, they did that.’ You don’t have to admit it, but I have a feeling you are anti-black, and anti-Obama, and trying to make something from nothing, cry-baby, LOL!

You keep trying to say it was racist because the youths said they were easy targets, did they say,’we targeted them because they were white and we don’t like white people?’ Maybe there is something else that I’m not aware of, but, I haven’t read that they used racial slurs. So, since you can’t hear the words coming out of my mouth, can you understand the words I wrote?

Now here are blatantly examples in Califas, a student, Larry King was killed because he was gay. Swastikas are spray painted in numerous neighborhoods along with the words ‘white power,’ no gang names just the words white power and swatiskas, families have had crosses burned in their yards, a transgendered male was killed in Hollywood because of her new identity, protests against Muslims at their mosques, protests against Latino only immigrants – I say Latino only, because no one is protesting immigrants from Canada, Australia, Russia, India and the many other countries some of immigrants arrive from.

Seth you do realize that it’s folks from the “other Georgia” who are Caucasians don’t you? Maybe you should just stick with white although that may elicit a treatise from Ruslan regarding the non-existence of a “white race.”

Shadow Wolf,
I see what you are saying. I really do!

However, all of these things happening now are a diversion away from the real problems of this country. Again, as I mentioned Shay’s Rebellion above, it was about farmers that went to war, they were promised that if they went to war, they won’t lose their farms or be subjected to higher taxes. When they got back from the war, the country would not pay their salaries of participating in the war as they had promised. The banks didn’t want paper money and started forclosures. These farmers were fighting for a stronger government to protect them from the corporations…

Doesn’t all of this sound familiar? A certain group wanted to default on the debt, then said that military people won’t get paid…we the lower classes are paying higher taxes, not the rich, social security/medicare was promised to seniors – but now they are saying they want to strip it away because we can’t afford it, how many homes have been foreclosed on by the banks? But then look around, most of the big corporations have already moved to other countries – have been doing this now for over 10 years. This certain group wants to take away protections, saying government is broken, so I ask, “who is responsible for breaking it?”

Ruslan: First of all, your argument is a strawman because nobody is saying that these youth did what they did simply because of the economy.

Me:You are being deceitful. Re-read the article. The article
implied that poverty and the economy caused these hateful bullies to attack innocent white people.

Ruslan: Sorry but that is a strawman so you failed. And what is this “past” you speak of?

Me: Ruslan, you insisted that hate crimes against minorities “has caused far more problems for America”. That is the past. Let’s focus on today. Let’s start condemning all hate crimes equally starting now. I am all for this. Let’s not excuse, rationalize, or minimize hate crimes committed against any group. That’s my point. The SPLC consistently does this. It magnifies hate crimes against minorities, and pushes hate crimes against whites to the back of the bus. It’s politically correct, but it’s not justice.

Ruslan:Please show me where I have said this. It would be pretty stupid of me to have such sentiments, seeing as how I’m white.

Me:Ruslan, if you are white, then clearly you are a self hater.
Or, maybe you don’t consider yourself like “other” whites? Hmmm. Anyhow, there are plenty of white self haters, black self haters, asian self haters, etc. It’s not exactly unusual to be a self hater. No need to feel alone, you have plenty of company in your self loathing.

Ruslan:Uh..YEAH! I think that no law should apply to “non-white” people. That makes a LOT of sense and I could TOTALLY see how you could get such an idiotic idea from my words.

Me: It’s called CONSISTENCY Ruslan, something YOU CLEARLY LACK. You believe attention to hate crimes should be unevenly applied depending on the race of the victim – because of the past. So, what’s the difference between that and applying ALL laws inconsistently – because of the past? If we are going to be inconsistent, let’s always be that way, right? Why pick and choose when you want to be prejudicial against whites? Why not do it always?

Ruslan: Again, are you speaking of some other Ruslan? I’ve never suggested anything like this.

Me: You are incorrect, you did suggest victims today should be treated unequally when you said “hate against minorities has caused far more problems for America”. The implication is that hate against minorities is more problematic, therefore, we should treat it differently than hate against whites.

Ruslan: Evidence please. There has only been a clear racial motive in one incident thus far.

Me: This is untrue. At the Wisconsin State Fair, dozens of whites were attacked by blacks, while other blacks were left alone by the attackers. If the tables were turned and there was a fair in which bands of whites attacked blacks but left other whites alone, both you and the SPLC would suspect “hate” and condemn the acts without reservation. Neither you nor the SPLC would be saying it was “white self hatred” or “the economy that made them do it”. Unfortunately, you are too monomaniacal to face your own hypocrisy and that of the SPLC. Evidence below>

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Extremist liberals like yourself and the SPLC like to excuse minority on white attacks and violent crimes committed by minorities against white victims by stupidly asking “did they target the white person because they were an easy target”? “Did they target the white person because they appeared to have this or that” (fancy car, money, etc).

Let’s turn the tables a bit here. Let’s say there is a band of white criminals and they target people that look like “easy targets”. However, they will ONLY go after said easy targets if they are NOT white. Or, say they only attack people that look like they have some wealth on them. BUT they will only assault and beat their victims if they are NOT white. Whites get a “pass” from this group.

You cannot admit it, but I guarantee you and the SPLC would accuse such white criminals as bigots and haters. You would point out that this gang preferred to go after the “other” rather than their “own”. You would suggest that this was about racial animosity and hate.

Then, when someone like me calls you on your duplicity, you will say, “oh no, not me, I’m white. I love white people, I would never be so biased. How could I be? Did I mention I was white? Remember, since I’m white, I can’t be biased against whites. You see, I’m infallible. There is no way I could be prejudicial in any way.” Your answers are as predictable as your thought process. Weak….

ADM: If a white person attacked a black person because of money, not “race,” then it’s not a hate crime.

Me: If a white person violently attacks and robs black people but REFUSES to violently attack and rob white people, that is singling out people based on race. Thus, it is a hate crime in my view. The white criminal doesn’t have to be screaming racial slurs to suggest that he is singling out blacks intentionally. His MO shows his intent to single out the “other”. Many black on white crimes fit this pattern, and certainly man of the attacks in mid-west and Philly do.

ADM: You say you’re not a white nationalist (I don’t know you, so I won’t accuse of being that), but you sound like you follow people like Jared Taylor.

Me: Uh, I don’t care who I “sound like”. That is clearly an ad-hominem argument. Besides, who do you think you are, the “thought police”? Jared Taylor and every other person has a right to their own opinions, even you do ADM. What, do you think only people that think like you have a right to be around and express their opinions? If so, you meet the definition of a fascist:

from houghton mifflin – A reactionary or dictatorial person.

I am sure Jared Taylor would allow you your own opinion. I do. I think you are wrong, but I don’t think you should be silenced. It is people like you that truly scare me. I would like an honest answer please. Do you think people that disagree with you should be silenced?

“Me:You are being deceitful. Re-read the article. The article
implied that poverty and the economy caused these hateful bullies to attack innocent white people.”

Nope. The link between poverty and crime is well-established.

“Me: Ruslan, you insisted that hate crimes against minorities “has caused far more problems for America”. That is the past. Let’s focus on today.”

It’s the past? That’s weird, because the SPLC still catalogues new hate crimes virtually every day. How far in the past does it have to be before we decide not to talk about it anymore? These assaults were “in the past” as well. To talk about “today” without the past is ridiculous.

” Let’s start condemning all hate crimes equally starting now. I am all for this. Let’s not excuse, rationalize, or minimize hate crimes committed against any group.”

They clearly do condemn all hate crimes.

“That’s my point. The SPLC consistently does this. It magnifies hate crimes against minorities, and pushes hate crimes against whites to the back of the bus. It’s politically correct, but it’s not justice.”

Please give an example of magnifying hate crimes against minorities. From what I’ve seen you’ve just picked out a few minor crimes such as vandalism, but haven’t mentioned several other recent crimes involving assault and murder.

“Me:Ruslan, if you are white, then clearly you are a self hater.”

Nope. Nothing I have said denotes “self-hatred” by any definition.

“Or, maybe you don’t consider yourself like “other” whites? Hmmm. Anyhow, there are plenty of white self haters, black self haters, asian self haters, etc. It’s not exactly unusual to be a self hater. No need to feel alone, you have plenty of company in your self loathing.”

If I am different than other whites now it is only because experiences have shown me other people’s perspectives. By leaving the US, where “white” has a stronger meaning, I learned to experience things that minorities deal with in America, such as stereotyping, discrimination, hostility, xenophobia, and strict immigration laws.

White people need to wake up and realize that their experience in America, and their viewpoint as a result, is not the only viewpoint which exists. They should start to listen to what minorities are saying about discrimination they face.

“Me: It’s called CONSISTENCY Ruslan, something YOU CLEARLY LACK. You believe attention to hate crimes should be unevenly applied depending on the race of the victim – because of the past. So, what’s the difference between that and applying ALL laws inconsistently – because of the past? If we are going to be inconsistent, let’s always be that way, right? Why pick and choose when you want to be prejudicial against whites? Why not do it always?”

You specifically referred to prosecution, as though I were saying that attacks like these shouldn’t be prosecuted. That is simply ridiculous. These criminals should be prosecuted and if it can be established that they set out to attack white people(which seems to be the case in Wisconsin), then hate crime enhancements should apply.

Pointing out the root cause of these crimes is not saying that they should get a softer punishment.

“Me: You are incorrect, you did suggest victims today should be treated unequally when you said “hate against minorities has caused far more problems for America”. The implication is that hate against minorities is more problematic, therefore, we should treat it differently than hate against whites.”

First off I’m not saying the law should treat the individual crimes differently. I’m merely pointing out why tracking the majority of hate-crimes, which are against minorities, is such a priority for groups like the SPLC.

“Me: This is untrue. At the Wisconsin State Fair, dozens of whites were attacked by blacks, while other blacks were left alone by the attackers. If the tables were turned and there was a fair in which bands of whites attacked blacks but left other whites alone, both you and the SPLC would suspect “hate” and condemn the acts without reservation. Neither you nor the SPLC would be saying it was “white self hatred” or “the economy that made them do it”. Unfortunately, you are too monomaniacal to face your own hypocrisy and that of the SPLC. Evidence below>”

I admitted that there was very likely a racial motivation in Wisconsin, and nobody said “the economy made them do it.”

“Extremist liberals like yourself and the SPLC like to excuse minority on white attacks and violent crimes committed by minorities against white victims by stupidly asking “did they target the white person because they were an easy target”? “Did they target the white person because they appeared to have this or that” (fancy car, money, etc).”

1. I’m not a liberal
2. The belief that whites were attacked because they appeared to be “easy targets” comes from one of the perpetrators.

“You cannot admit it, but I guarantee you and the SPLC would accuse such white criminals as bigots and haters. You would point out that this gang preferred to go after the “other” rather than their “own”. You would suggest that this was about racial animosity and hate.”

I’m sorry but did the SPLC not report on these incidents several times, each time tagging them as “anti-white”? See this is the problem with your rhetoric. You have nothing to say about the other hate crimes reported here, but suddenly they report on these(after some claimed that they hadn’t), and now that’s not good enough. And you speak of consistency?

“Then, when someone like me calls you on your duplicity, you will say, “oh no, not me, I’m white. I love white people, I would never be so biased. How could I be? Did I mention I was white? Remember, since I’m white, I can’t be biased against whites. You see, I’m infallible. There is no way I could be prejudicial in any way.” Your answers are as predictable as your thought process. Weak….”

Maybe my thought process and answers are so “predictable” because you are making them up as you go along. You claimed I hate white people or that I was anti-white. Since I’m white(of European descent), this simply isn’t true.

I think it’s some of both…unfortunately, inner city black kids (and I grew up in that environment) do white view whites as easier targets for criminal activity, but I don’t get the sense this is some type of anti-white targeting like a neo-nazi, skinhead, KKK incident typically is…whatever the motivations may be the bottom line is it needs to stop

……The writer of the article is NOT, I repeat, NOT defending or sugar coating these flash mob attacks. The writer is writing an article in the way a newspaper writer would: give all the details and information given by third party (people who don’t work the organization the writer works for) folks and write about it….

Oh please. The tone of the article is quite clearly apologetic towards the black youth. Its not their fault, its all lack of economic opportunity. What a copout. What hogwash.

I beg to differ. It all starts with the family, or the lack thereof. There are many well educated and succesful blacks – they work within the system. They make the investment in their future that is required – required – of everyone to be successful.

Those that choose – choose, mind you – to drop out of high school and play the thug life, well, this is what you get. Please spare us the excuses.

Opportunity, or the lack thereof, is what you made of it. We have equality of opportunity folks. Many choose an alternative, for whatever reason.

I am a black woman who lives in Philadelphia (I’ve never seen a flash mob). I don’t believe the mayor was an “Uncle Tom” in calling out these kids for their terrible behavior. I don’t care what their motivation was/is, attacking people who are just minding their own business is wrong. I don’t care if they don’t have jobs or are bored, this sort of behavior is despicable and also adds fuel to racist arguments that black people are innately violent and criminal. What saddens me is that there are plenty of decent young black people that work, go to school, and want to succeed and life, and this is making all of them (and all black people) look bad.

Fact: Black youths attacked Caucasian men, women, and children based on skin color or “race”

The SPLC has done a good job exposing white on black racism over the decades and should be commended for their.

Now the race violence, in these flash mob cases, has flipped from black against white crime.

Yet the reporting from the SPLC is not consistent with calling these black youths “racists” and finding the organizers of these “black flash mobs” and exposing who they are and their connections. That is what I need to know to better understand this black on white racism.

Consistency and purpose of the SPLC mission in it’s reporting of these flash mobs will lend full credibility to the work your group does.

Thank you

It seems to me in reading these comments that every one is not capable of seeing plain truth that being said in the major cities large portion of these violent flash mobs are predominately black youths however not exclusively black we all know the inner city is minority based and economically disadvantaged people of all races….Philadelphia has taken a pro-active approach to the problem with arrests and strict curfews..whatever the cause the situation needs to be dealt with

I respect what you say and do.WHat i would really like to see mor of is balanced coverage of crimes,conspiracys and hatred demonstrated/committed by blacks equally covered in your information.You emphasize crimes and hatrd by whites by a ratio of 9-1 over the same types of incidents committd by blacks,and then,when you do cover a crime of outrage by blacks,you offer some sort of excuse,such as the one in this article where you say it might not be racial,just despair.
When was the last time you covered some outrageous event by Farrakhan,Jackson or their peers?..What about Rev Louis’ most recent hate filled dialog?
At leats make your coverage more balanced,say 50-50 black/white.

Wow, much finger pointing. Having lived in racially integrated cities and segregated ones, I’ve learned that when people work together, eat together, play together, marry together, the facade of our differences because of race, ends. Historically, my white brothers and sisters have had some economic advantages. But, we’ll trample on white Catholics, Jews, Irish, women; it’s human nature. Many races differentiate and punish by caste systems. Not to sound like a commie bastard, but, as a nation/society, we need to focus and solve the problems of the people who have the least. That’s our priority. End the suffering amongst and within our family. Neighborhood/community level. Food gardens, recreation centers; solving our problems, from within. Self-government. T.V., videos, hanging at the mall is not getting it done. We are one country, on many levels. Leadership at the top isn’t trickling or gushing down, but, we could use some help from the top, to help the leadership at the bottom.

Seth: If a white person violently attacks and robs black people but REFUSES to violently attack and rob white people, that is singling out people based on race. Thus, it is a hate crime in my view. The white criminal doesn’t have to be screaming racial slurs to suggest that he is singling out blacks intentionally. His MO shows his intent to single out the “other”. Many black on white crimes fit this pattern, and certainly man of the attacks in mid-west and Philly do.

Me: If there is no intent in going after somebody because of their ethnicity or nationality and it’s just about getting money, then it’s not a hate crime. Like I said in a previous comment, the cops in Wisconsin are prosecuting the incident at a state fair as hate crimes based on one of the black perpetrators admitting to going after white folks for being “easy targets.” Good. Since there’s evidence in that case, the cops should proceed with their actions. As for “many black-on-white crimes fit this pattern,” are you saying it’s impossible for a perpetrator to commit a crime against somebody of a different nationality or ethnicity and NOT have it be about what the victim looks like or where the victim is from? If so, you’re insane. Not everything is about “race,” especially in these hard economic times.

Seth: Uh, I don’t care who I “sound like”. That is clearly an ad-hominem argument. Besides, who do you think you are, the “thought police”? Jared Taylor and every other person has a right to their own opinions, even you do ADM. What, do you think only people that think like you have a right to be around and express their opinions? If so, you meet the definition of a fascist:

from houghton mifflin – A reactionary or dictatorial person.

I am sure Jared Taylor would allow you your own opinion. I do. I think you are wrong, but I don’t think you should be silenced. It is people like you that truly scare me. I would like an honest answer please. Do you think people that disagree with you should be silenced?

Me: LOL! Wow! I said you sounded like a follower of people like Jared Taylor because people in those circles always give the same statements about a subject like this. I’m not the “thought police.” I really don’t give a damn what you or anybody thinks of me. You can hate me with all your heart and soul. I still would not care because I don’t value people’s opinions or views of me. Jared Taylor and people like him can speak and do whatever they want. It doesn’t bother me. They’ll just get lots of pushback from folks who live in the 21st century, not the 19th century or early 20th century. So, go ahead and speak your mind. It’s not offending me. As for you calling me a fascist, I laugh at you because you’re very wrong and very ignorant about me and my life. What’s the matter? Don’t like an opposing viewpoint? Don’t accuse someone of being something like that when you don’t know that person, especially over the Internet.

These “youths” are wearing more expensive clothing than I. New shoes, many of them overweight (well fed), fit (have time for gym) etc. These are not some oppressed people? Running from govt which suppresses them. They have no respect for the rule of law, personal property rights and the businesses that operate to serve there needs.

So White people are to blame for being attacked. Might White of you at the SPLC.

More diversity is what we all need!

But one problem with diversity, it kills, as Whites are finding out these days.

Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody

Genocide by Assimilation

It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

I see – when White people commit acts of violence it’s White people’s fault. When Black people commit acts of violence it’s White people’s fault.

Awww We all know that the SPLC is motivated by anti white racism and money. This site and their foundation is a cash cow. What say you Morris Dees?

That article is the most absurd piece of “journalism” that I’ve ever read. Keep sugar coating and making excuses for these kids and see where it gets you. Mark my words this country is going to explode and very soon. Those ghettos are a powder keg.

Blacks are generally just a very violent race and these mobs attacking whites proves this.
Whites would be better off removing these non-whites from their living space. Overall crime would drop by at least 75% if they were to do so.

In England, it may have started in retaliation for a pattern of police harassment but turned into a free shopping spree. It quickly showed the kids have learned their lessons well from the corporations and the moguls that run them: More stuff is always better and grab it any way you can. It tickles me when these big shots now lecture these kids on “following the rules of society”. The American flash mobs seem more racially motivated and I applaud the SPLC for saying so.

I decided to take the stupidest reply and answer it.

o”White people are to blame for being attacked. Might White of you at the SPLC.”

Reading comprehension is not your forte. Please explain where it blames white people for being attacked.

“But one problem with diversity, it kills, as Whites are finding out these days.”

Unfounded assumption.

“Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody”

1. Please tell us who is saying this.
2. Many non-European nations have immigration issues. They don’t just say, “We’re all Asian so who cares?”

“Genocide by Assimilation”

Go look up the definition of genocide, then prove your statement.

“It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.”

You do realize these black youths were not immigrants, right? Then again, you probably didn’t.

“The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.”

Japan and Taiwan have their immigration issues. Japan also has a serious birthrate issue and I have no doubt that some people there are suggesting immigrants pick up the slack. I am somewhat skeptical that you read the Japanese and Taiwanese press.

“Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”

“Everybody says”? Please give us some names and some evidence.

“What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?”

1. How did black folks get into America again?
2. While they did not number quite that high, millions of Europeans did go into Africa, and it didn’t work out too well for the Africans.

“How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?”

I’d choose to live in a black neighborhood before living in a country full of people as ignorant and idiotic as you.

“But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”

Present evidence that “whites” are victims of genocide. Given the amount of net worth owned by “whites” in the US, I’d say that’s a pretty benign genocide. But seriously:

-Give us examples of white people being forcibly removed from their place of living.

-White people being imprisoned and deported.

-White people forced to intermarry

-White people systematically killed en masse.

I didn’t know this white nationalist comedy hour.

“Blacks are generally just a very violent race and these mobs attacking whites proves this.
Whites would be better off removing these non-whites from their living space. Overall crime would drop by at least 75% if they were to do so.” – James Hallman

So, white folks have never committed acts of violence and crimes against humanity? If you believe that, you are very ahistorical and very ignorant. Did you know most of the wars in world history were started by Europeans against Europeans in Europe?

“Awww We all know that the SPLC is motivated by anti white racism and money. This site and their foundation is a cash cow. What say you Morris Dees?

That article is the most absurd piece of “journalism” that I’ve ever read. Keep sugar coating and making excuses for these kids and see where it gets you. Mark my words this country is going to explode and very soon. Those ghettos are a powder keg.” – detestliberals

How has the SPLC been anti-white? The SPLC has reported on bias crimes committed by non-whites and despite what your sick ideology makes you believe, they’re not sugar coating or making excuses. As for your prediction, is that what you want to happen? Do you want the U.S. to explode? By the way, the word “ghetto” means “a place where people live” and it came from the Jewish ghettos in Europe during World War II. It’s not a “black thing.”

“I see – when White people commit acts of violence it’s White people’s fault. When Black people commit acts of violence it’s White people’s fault.” – Ares

Where in the article did the writer say the flash mob incidents were white people’s fault? Prove your point without making a accusation.

Now, for the others.

White Wolf, where in the article does the writer blame white people for the incidents? As for the rest of your diatribe, people have been assimilating for thousands of years in Europe, Africa, and Asia. Culture is what matters at the end of the day and people with different cultures such as people in Europe and Asia have been coexisting through that time. There are foreigners that live in Japan and even though some are not fond of them, the foreigners have been able to live in Japan peacefully. Let’s not also forget there lots of non-blacks living in African countries, especially the northern area. And no, it’s not a genocide.

Ishmael Royer, you also seem to not get that a hate crime is a hate crime if there’s intent in attacking somebody because of their ethnicity or nationality. Fact: Not every single different ethnicity-on-different ethnicity crime is based ONLY on the latter’s ethnicity. Like I said, some people do these things because they want money. And you need to stop using the word “racism” in a case where there is none. In most of these cases, there is none whether you want to believe it or not. It also shows a lack of knowledge of the meaning of words. And how many times do I have to say that the SPLC has reported on bias crimes committed by non-whites? Are you white nationalists that dense?

“I respect what you say and do.WHat i would really like to see mor of is balanced coverage of crimes,conspiracys and hatred demonstrated/committed by blacks equally covered in your information.You emphasize crimes and hatrd by whites by a ratio of 9-1 over the same types of incidents committd by blacks,and then,when you do cover a crime of outrage by blacks,you offer some sort of excuse,such as the one in this article where you say it might not be racial,just despair.
When was the last time you covered some outrageous event by Farrakhan,Jackson or their peers?..What about Rev Louis’ most recent hate filled dialog?
At leats make your coverage more balanced,say 50-50 black/white.” – Richard Farnsworth

What stupidity. Hey, Richard, did you know the SPLC has done stories on Louis Farrakhan? And did you know a hate crime is only a hate crime if there is intent on the perpetrator to go after somebody because of their ethnicity or nationality? In most of these cases, it’s not that, just a bunch of assholes wanting to steal from people. And no, I’m not offering any excuses. What they did was wrong, but I’m not going to go on a tangent and say it’s about “race” without proof from the authorities. I find it odd how you white nationalists say you want SPLC to cover bias crimes committed by non-whites – which is something SPLC has done over time – yet when they do, you want to come up with some conspiracy. Are you crazy?

Lou Stouch, do you know how to read? The writer himself is not apologizing for the actions of the individuals. The people that are profiled in the article are the ones saying it’s about the economy. Maybe if you get your head out of your ass, you’ll be able to comprehend an article in English.

ADM,

As Louie Stouch has proven time and again, he is unable to read, much less comprehend the letters sitting in front of his face. I think it would be foolish to even attempt to spar with him.

Aron

PS Nice deconstruction of the WhiNers’ arguments. Quite entertaining to read. :)

A simple “what if whites were doing this” thought experiment tells the whole story here.

A year and a half into an epidemic of between 100 – 150 mob attacks conducted almost entirely by blacks and leaving dozens of white victims and only now is the SPLC taking note. Odd, no?

So a lot of the mob attacks are about thievery, ransacking and pillaging… so what? Well, as a group interested in race/racial issues/racial conflict, do we really think the SPLC wouldn’t take notice of all-white mobs doing the same thing? Do we really think it would take so long?

And since when is wrecking stores not “racial?” Are these black mobs wrecking black-owned stores in their own neighborhoods? In most cases, of course they”re not. They’re leaving their own neighborhoods to go to other parts of towns to wreck stores that are worked in and owned by other racial groups. What are the effects on the neighborhoods after black mobs have swept through? Do people feel less secure walking the streets where they live? More secure? How does this organized black mob violence not have a terrorizing effect on the communities they’re attacking? Aren’t business people members of the communities too? Businesses aren’t faceless kiosks run by robots – employees have to deal with workplace psychological trauma of dealing with their stores being wrecked, and franchise owners have their livelihoods threatened.

So only a few of these attacks have resulted in hate crimes – but even in the cases of assault where no hate crime charges are filed, why do the majority of the victims of these black mobs tend to be non-black? Would the SPLC ignore such attacks for so long if all-white mobs were attacking mostly non-whites, hate crimes or no?

What would the SPLC’s reaction be if white mobs were leaving behind dozens of non-white victims? Would they shrug and say, “well, we couldn’t find any racist intent, so we’re going to have to be satisfied that these attacks didn’t have any aspect of racial motivation.” I doubt it. I think we all know that the SPLC would be using its considerable resources to comb through all the evidence to find ANYTHING remotely “racial” about all-white mob violence where non-whites were the majority of victims.

In fact, I’ve seen a couple of individuals, just dorky bloggers really, on their own do more research into these attacks than law enforcement, the national media, the local media and the SPLC combined. In one particular case, just by looking through the tweets being written by black kids who were participating in the attacks, one blogger was able to see all kinds of ugly, inciting, anti-white comments. Just think what the SPLC would be able to do with its million$ against all-white mobs attacking non-whites. No stone would be left unturned.

Finally, we all know the SPLC has considerable power to introduce stories into the national and local media. Does anyone seriously doubt that all-white mobs leaving dozens of non-white victims in their wake would be a national story that the SPLC would be flogging relentlessly? Wouldn’t such a phenomenon likely be #1 on their list of issues? Wouldn’t such a phenomenon be considered a “front line” issue as far as racial conflict in this country is concerned?

There’s a bedgrudging tone to this article that suggests that the SPLC would like to ignore this issue, but can’t anymore. The sad thing is that this tone probably has very little to do with the epidemic of violence black mobs are carrying out, and more to do with the Evil White Nationalists mentioned at the end of the article.

Outside of local regional media reporting the incidents, the vast majority of commentary, opinion and indeed original investigation is coming from “white nationalist” (or whatever you want to call them) writers out there who are doing most of the work of talking about the anti-white racism aspect of these attacks. I’m not encouraging people to go to those sites, but it’s the truth.

I’m generally not impressed by the rigor of most “white nationalist” blogs and news sites and whatnot, but frankly, the SPLC has been led by the nose and thoroughly scooped on this issue by the Evil White Nationalists. A curious turn of events!

As Louie Stouch has proven time and again, he is unable to read, much less comprehend the letters sitting in front of his face. I think it would be foolish to even attempt to spar with him……………….

Yes, please Aron and ADM, note how you question my reading and comprehension skills, and yet FAIL absolutely to address any of the OTHER points I make in my piece.

You focus instead on whether the author is excusing the black youth. I question the unerlying CAUSES.

And your SILENCE is deafening. (PS: I was a grad assistant while obtaining my MBA, and proofed quite a few marketing texts during my day.)

let me make reading and comprehension real easy for you aron:

An “apparent” (?) wave of street rowdiness……………..More often, however, it appears teens use social media to converge on a site “just to mingle and hang out” (tell them that in WI)………………That these and other cases of urban lawlessness are perpetrated almost exclusively by black youths is inescapable – yet “it’s also not clear what to make of that fact”……………….But “race may only be a coincident factor” in the disturbances……..rather seems to contradict “That these and other cases of urban lawlessness are perpetrated almost exclusively by black youths is inescapable”, doesn’t it?……………….

This was “not an issue of race”, we believe this is an issue of “age and economics”, naturally………………..Whether the black flash mob trend is a manifestation of anti-white hate – – or just a familiar spilling over of “boredom and frustration” from a teenage class that is still wracked by high unemployment and minuscule prospects for opportunity and advancement………….hmmm. Wonder if 50% dropout rates from High School has a correlation there?

Sounds like the same old apologetics to me, certainly not these kids fault, though, thats for sure.

Oh, one last thing guys – being held in such low esteem by you is an honor for me. That means you have no arguments in retort, other than of the “oh he is an idiot” variety. Nothing of substance. You are quite simply laughable.

“A simple “what if whites were doing this” thought experiment tells the whole story here.

A year and a half into an epidemic of between 100 – 150 mob attacks conducted almost entirely by blacks and leaving dozens of white victims and only now is the SPLC taking note. Odd, no?” – Red

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. This site has reported bias crimes committed by “minorities.” Your argument of SPLC somehow hesitant of not reporting bias crimes committed by “minorities” and then say it’s not enough does not make sense. And if there are stories about what you’re saying, post them here so we can see.

“So a lot of the mob attacks are about thievery, ransacking and pillaging… so what? Well, as a group interested in race/racial issues/racial conflict, do we really think the SPLC wouldn’t take notice of all-white mobs doing the same thing? Do we really think it would take so long?” – Red

How exactly do you know that for sure? Sounds more like an opinion because, once again, SPLC has reported hate crimes committed by minorities.

“And since when is wrecking stores not “racial?” Are these black mobs wrecking black-owned stores in their own neighborhoods? In most cases, of course they”re not. They’re leaving their own neighborhoods to go to other parts of towns to wreck stores that are worked in and owned by other racial groups. What are the effects on the neighborhoods after black mobs have swept through? Do people feel less secure walking the streets where they live? More secure? How does this organized black mob violence not have a terrorizing effect on the communities they’re attacking? Aren’t business people members of the communities too? Businesses aren’t faceless kiosks run by robots – employees have to deal with workplace psychological trauma of dealing with their stores being wrecked, and franchise owners have their livelihoods threatened.” – Red

Who said the victims of the flash mob incidents were not terrorized? Who said these people aren’t traumatized or afraid? Who said these people aren’t terrorizing their own communities with gun violence which they are doing? No one. You don’t think black gangs don’t terrorize their neighborhoods? Come up with proof of who said those things. And once again, a different ethnicity-on-different ethnicity crime is not always based upon so-called “race.” If the perpetrator went after someone because of nationality or ethnicity, it’s a bias crime. If that was not the case and it was just about being thuggish, then it’s not a bias crime.

“So only a few of these attacks have resulted in hate crimes – but even in the cases of assault where no hate crime charges are filed, why do the majority of the victims of these black mobs tend to be non-black? Would the SPLC ignore such attacks for so long if all-white mobs were attacking mostly non-whites, hate crimes or no?” – Red

Why are you making assumptions? This site has reported on bias crimes committed by “minorities.” And once again, a different ethnicity-on-different ethnicity crime is not always based on looks. It’s unbelievable how much “race” plays a role in the U.S. It’s getting old now.

“What would the SPLC’s reaction be if white mobs were leaving behind dozens of non-white victims? Would they shrug and say, “well, we couldn’t find any racist intent, so we’re going to have to be satisfied that these attacks didn’t have any aspect of racial motivation.” I doubt it. I think we all know that the SPLC would be using its considerable resources to comb through all the evidence to find ANYTHING remotely “racial” about all-white mob violence where non-whites were the majority of victims.” – Red

Once again, you’re making assumptions and SPLC has reported on bias crimes committed by “minorities.” And I’d rather wait for the authorities to move forward on a case then make assumptions.

“In fact, I’ve seen a couple of individuals, just dorky bloggers really, on their own do more research into these attacks than law enforcement, the national media, the local media and the SPLC combined. In one particular case, just by looking through the tweets being written by black kids who were participating in the attacks, one blogger was able to see all kinds of ugly, inciting, anti-white comments. Just think what the SPLC would be able to do with its million$ against all-white mobs attacking non-whites. No stone would be left unturned.” – Red

Let me guess, you’re a fan of Matt Drudge. Could you post these findings? Proof would be nice. And there you go again making assumptions. How many times do I have to say the SPLC has reported on bias crimes committed by “minorities”?

“Finally, we all know the SPLC has considerable power to introduce stories into the national and local media. Does anyone seriously doubt that all-white mobs leaving dozens of non-white victims in their wake would be a national story that the SPLC would be flogging relentlessly? Wouldn’t such a phenomenon likely be #1 on their list of issues? Wouldn’t such a phenomenon be considered a “front line” issue as far as racial conflict in this country is concerned?” – Red

If there was intent on attacking based on nationality or ethnicity, probably, but you’re acting like there’s a conspiracy theory in the U.S. by every organization to favor “minorities” only. Only the crazies can think of that.

“There’s a bedgrudging tone to this article that suggests that the SPLC would like to ignore this issue, but can’t anymore. The sad thing is that this tone probably has very little to do with the epidemic of violence black mobs are carrying out, and more to do with the Evil White Nationalists mentioned at the end of the article.” – Red

If that’s the case, then why are there stories in the News Roundup articles of anti-white crimes?

“Outside of local regional media reporting the incidents, the vast majority of commentary, opinion and indeed original investigation is coming from “white nationalist” (or whatever you want to call them) writers out there who are doing most of the work of talking about the anti-white racism aspect of these attacks. I’m not encouraging people to go to those sites, but it’s the truth.” – Red

*Sigh* This is one of the reasons why the United States will fall. Everyhting has to be about “race” in this country. Americans must be the dumbest people on the planet. White nationalism, black nationalism – it’s all bullshit. Without actual proof of intent of attacking others based ethnicity or nationality, it’s not a bias crime. It makes no sense to assume a different ethnicity-on-different ethnicity crime is about “race” without proof the former did the crime strictly because of “race.” And it’s not the truth without proof. Can you show proof? If not, it’s just opinion.

“I’m generally not impressed by the rigor of most “white nationalist” blogs and news sites and whatnot, but frankly, the SPLC has been led by the nose and thoroughly scooped on this issue by the Evil White Nationalists. A curious turn of events!” – Red

That’s an opinion, an uneducated opinion, not a fact. Those blogs you talk about are white nationalist blogs despite what you think, just like the Nation of Islam website is about black nationalism. No one has been scooped on and the only curious turn of events would be people not caring about “race.”

Upon further reflection, I’ve done an about face on this issue.

Clearly, we live in a multi-cultural society. Unlike, say, Japan, where the population is on the order of 98% Japanese, we are able to draw on the unique life experiences and cultural under-pinnings of our African-American brothers and sisters (and others, of course).

We are all a part of the multi-cultural fabric, and this diversity of experience is our greatest strength as a nation. What could possibly demonstrate this most obvious of facts any better than the issue discussed in the article?

How dare anyone question these “flash mobs”, as they are simply bringing to the table their unique contribution to the society in which we live. We should all be thrilled.

A very wise man{Malcolm X} once said: Through ignorance one learns to love his enemies and hate oneself. This twisted concept will most always result in acts of aggression towards those who most resemble the aggressors.

Young black men have over a 50% unemployment rate. They have a hard time getting hired and level of education and poverty only make it worse. Maybe these kids have nothing else to do and aren’t aware of the options they do have. People really lash out when they have nothing.

You get out of children what you put into them. Be a good parent.

to white wolf…..if you say asia for asians,africa for africans……you left out europe for white people…..this continent was brown long before it was any other color…..so according to you you are living in a land where you yourself are alien to……and i am by no means condoning mob behavior or attacks on innocent people by thugs or hoodlums regardless of there race or ethnic background…..but weren’t the europeans the first flash mob…..they came to this continent and through greed,murder and treachery stole and snatched everything from the original inhabitants so i guess mob behavior is as american as apple pie!…..”what comes around goes around”.

I read through the comments here and have come to a firm conclusion: SPLC needs to own this story quickly, or the white nationalists will. Dig up details, determine intent. If the white nationalists are allowed to frame these stories according to their own agenda, it’ll get ugly.

Let’s dispell one notion: based on what I’ve read of them, the intent of these mobs is not for monetary gain, it’s to intimidate. It’s a “show of force”, which was the very heart of the purpose of lynch mobs in earlier times.

That’s my take on it, anyway.

CCW. The parent of these youths are going to be crying when they get gunned down during their wilding. I carry a concealed weapon. If I encounter a flash mob beating on someone I am going to exercise my right to protect that other person with deadly force.

“I don’t know how many times I have to say this. This site has reported bias crimes committed by “minorities.” Your argument of SPLC somehow hesitant of not reporting bias crimes committed by “minorities” and then say it’s not enough does not make sense. – ADM”

Thing is, that’s not my argument. My argument is clearly stated in the very first sentence of my comment. Feel free to respond to that argument, if you want.

“How exactly do you know that for sure? Sounds more like an opinion because, once again, SPLC has reported hate crimes committed by minorities. – ADM”

Of course I don’t know for sure, I’m merely asking the question. Perhaps you think it would take just as long for the SPLC to take notice of all-white mobs behaving the same as these black mobs. I don’t. I tell you what, let’s put this out there for the average SPLC blog reader.

Do people reading this think that if all-white mobs were leaving their parts of towns to go to neighborhoods that were predominantly non-white to loot and rob, do you think it would take over a year and over 100 such incidents for the SPLC to take notice?

“Who said the victims of the flash mob incidents were not terrorized? Who said these people aren’t traumatized or afraid? Who said these people aren’t terrorizing their own communities with gun violence which they are doing? No one. You don’t think black gangs don’t terrorize their neighborhoods? Come up with proof of who said those things. And once again, a different ethnicity-on-different ethnicity crime is not always based upon so-called “race.” If the perpetrator went after someone because of nationality or ethnicity, it’s a bias crime. If that was not the case and it was just about being thuggish, then it’s not a bias crime. – ADM ”

The point of mentioning that the people who work and own these stores is as much victims as people being robbed on the street is that I get the sense that when it comes to talking about black flash mobs, people make a big distinction in their minds between purely physical violent assaults and those which are merely robbing and thieving. You can such a distinction made in the article that my comment is responding to. I think it’s important to keep in mind that even looting of stores terrorizes communities. And if terrorizing is going on then it would seem like the SPLC would be interested. They are interested in fact, as this article shows. My question is, what took the SPLC so long? My argument is that I doubt it would have taken them so long to respond to all-white mobs conducting over 100 such attacks in a 18 month period.

“Why are you making assumptions? This site has reported on bias crimes committed by “minorities.” – ADM”

Yes the SPLC has reported bias crimes committed by non-whites, no argument there. As I’ve said twice now, I am asking why it’s taken the SPLC so long to notice black flash mob violence. I am arguing that this would not be the case if we were talking about all-white mobs.

“Once again, you’re making assumptions and SPLC has reported on bias crimes committed by “minorities.” – ADM ”

Once again, my argument is NOT that the SPLC has never reported on bias crimes committed by non-whites. Please, if you can, show me the respect of responding to arguments I’ve actually made.

“Let me guess, you’re a fan of Matt Drudge. Could you post these findings? Proof would be nice. And there you go again making assumptions. How many times do I have to say the SPLC has reported on bias crimes committed by “minorities”? – ADM”

No, I’m not a fan of Matt Drudge, and anyone who is remotely familiar with Matt Drudge knows that he doesn’t do original commentary or investigation. He’s an aggregator. So of course, he’s not who I’m talking about, as anyone familiar with Drudge would know.

And no I’m not going to waste time hunting around for links for you. You can do your own research on this issue if you’re interested in it. If this means that you aren’t going to believe what I’ve said – that I’ve seen a blogger do research on what some black kids are saying in their social media during the attacks, and that some of it does show racist intent – that’s fine with me. Once again, my argument isn’t that the SPLC never reports on bias crimes by non-whites – it’s that the SPLC would most definitely report on all-white mob attacks on non-whites, hate crimes or no. What’s taken the SPLC so long?

“If there was intent on attacking based on nationality or ethnicity, probably, but you’re acting like there’s a conspiracy theory in the U.S. by every organization to favor “minorities” only. Only the crazies can think of that. – ADM ”

No, I’m not “acting like there’s a conspiracy” – there’s no need to be insulting by suggesting I’m a crazy. Once again, I’m asking simple questions – don’t you think the SPLC would be making a much bigger deal out of such attacks if they were being carried out by all-white mobs? Why has it taken the SPLC so long to even notice and comment on these attacks? Do you think it would have taken them so long if the attacks were carried out by all-white mobs?

“*Sigh* This is one of the reasons why the United States will fall. Everyhting has to be about “race” in this country. Americans must be the dumbest people on the planet. White nationalism, black nationalism – it’s all bullshit. Without actual proof of intent of attacking others based ethnicity or nationality, it’s not a bias crime. It makes no sense to assume a different ethnicity-on-different ethnicity crime is about “race” without proof the former did the crime strictly because of “race.” And it’s not the truth without proof. Can you show proof? If not, it’s just opinion. – ADM ”

I’m opposed to racism committed by any one group against any other group.

If you’re at all familiar with these flash mob attacks, then you would know that there’s been at least one recent episode where hate crime charges are being charged against black mob members. So yes, there’s proof.

But again, if you were arguing in good faith and attempting to understand my argument, you would know that I’m not specifically interested in whether hate crimes are being committed here. I’m wondering where the SPLC has been on this issue, and I’m wondering if they would have been so absent on this issue if white mobs were committing property crimes and violence against non-whites.

“That’s an opinion, an uneducated opinion, not a fact. Those blogs you talk about are white nationalist blogs despite what you think, just like the Nation of Islam website is about black nationalism. No one has been scooped on and the only curious turn of events would be people not caring about “race.” – ADM ”

When dozens of sites that are interested in reporting, discussing and in some cases even doing original investigation into racial conflict in this country are talking about dozens of incidents of apparent and real racial violence while meanwhile, the SPLC is sitting off to one side mute, then yes, the SPLC is being scooped. Sorry, but the SPLC is late to the game on this issue. They just are. It’s curious because racial conflict in this country is supposedly one of their main concerns. And yet…. silence up to now. Now let’s see what they’re going to do about it.

@CarbonDate

I agree with your comment.

I would just add that if you take an openminded look at what a lot of “white nationalist blogs” and so on are about, then at least some of what they say is NOT “let’s hate on, persecute and oppress non-whites.” A considerable amount of what they say is “white people are victims of racism too, we need to defend ourselves.”

So in this latter sense – the idea that whites are victims of racist violence too – I think the SPLC would actually get some begrudging respect from white nationalists if they were to get out in front of talking about black flash mob violence and in using their considerable resources to do what they can to determine how much racist intent is really involved.

The SPLC is very late to the game, but perhaps they can come up with some sort of active positive influence? I suggest being active is better than downplaying black flash mob violence by rarely reporting on it and pretending it’s not happening by leaving it to only local media to talk about.

I’ll deal with your second comment first.

I agree with your comment.

“I would just add that if you take an openminded look at what a lot of “white nationalist blogs” and so on are about, then at least some of what they say is NOT “let’s hate on, persecute and oppress non-whites.” A considerable amount of what they say is “white people are victims of racism too, we need to defend ourselves.” – Red

I’ve been to those sites and all they do is spew bigotry towards blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, basically aynone they consider inferior. And they create mythical statistics to try to corroborate their nonsense. Excuse me if I don’t want to subject myself to that garbage.

“So in this latter sense – the idea that whites are victims of racist violence too – I think the SPLC would actually get some begrudging respect from white nationalists if they were to get out in front of talking about black flash mob violence and in using their considerable resources to do what they can to determine how much racist intent is really involved.” – Red

White nationalists have always hated SPLC and they always will because of what they do. Some even accuse folks like Morris Dees and Mark Potok of being “deceitful Jews.” Oh, and this article has demonstrated what the SPLC does by interviewing parties involved in the cases. And as I mentioned, cops in Milwaukee are charging one black dude for committing hate crime because he said whites were “easy targets.”

“The SPLC is very late to the game, but perhaps they can come up with some sort of active positive influence? I suggest being active is better than downplaying black flash mob violence by rarely reporting on it and pretending it’s not happening by leaving it to only local media to talk about.” – Red

SPLC isn’t downplaying or ignoring anything. If that were true, they wouldn’t have reported on it at all. And the local media isn’t the only media in the U.S. talking about. I’ve seen national media outlets talk about it.

To all Hatewatch commenters,

As the writer of this article, I have been fascinated by the commentary it has generated here. Mostly, I am amazed by how readily people will invent content that isn’t there, presumably to justify their disgust at not having their own views fully validated by the article. Nowhere have I “excused” the perpetrators for their acts; nowhere did I blame the victims; nowhere did I minimize the racial aspect of the acts. Seeking to understand why these events took place is not the same as seeking to pardon them.

Where there is clear evidence of racial intent, as at the Wisconsin State Fair, the SPLC believes such cases should be pursued as hate crimes. But the mere existence of a racial difference between perpetrator and victim is not proof of a hate crime. A crime becomes a hate crime when its perpetrator is motivated by certain types of hatred — against particular races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations and so on—and that has to be established by evidence, not assumption.

That intent is most often established by overt comments or actions of the perpetrator himself, expressed before, during or after the attack. Sometimes the hate aspect of a crime can be inferred – as with the planting of a backpack bomb along the route of a Martin Luther King Day parade in Spokane, Wash., in February. The racial aspect of the Milwaukee flash-mob attack was supported both by inference – the attackers deliberately bypassed black fairgoers – and the comment of at least one arrested participant, as I noted. The evidence in the other flash mob occurrences was not nearly so obvious. That doesn’t rule out race as a motivation in the other cases, but it would be irresponsible to simply assume this in the absence of clear evidence. That’s what criminal investigations are for.

To those who say the SPLC isn’t being even-handed in its analyses of suspected hate crimes, let me be clear: The same standard applies regardless of the races of the alleged perpetrators and the victims. Contrary to what our critics want to believe, there is no assumption at work by SPLC that all crimes involving a white perpetrator and minority victim are by definition hate crimes, and that every reverse instance is not.

Robert Steinback
Deputy Editor, Hatewatch blog
Southern Poverty Law Center

Postscript to Red:

You have asked why it took SPLC more than a year to notice the flash mob trend. It’s a fair question.

Keep in mind that we don’t track or monitor common crime. Shoplifting sprees or even a rise in muggings — regardless of the races involved — normally wouldn’t fall under our purview. Even the “flash mob” trend is borderline, because there is no evidence to date suggesting that these have been premeditated racial attacks. It really wasn’t until the Milwaukee incident turned into a racial attack that the phenomenon registered on our radar screen.

Now consider your hypothetical reverse situation: White “mobs” choosing to attack black victims. What could be their motivation? Monetary gain? Unlikely. A general expression of frustration over their social condition? Far-fetched. A majority group usually has a specific reason for targeting a minority group — and everyone, not just SPLC, would probably notice that much more quickly than the reverse situation.

Think of it another way: Roughly 1 in 8 Americans is black.If black violence were perfectly random, 7 of 8 victims would not be black. Should that be interpreted as “racial intent?” But if white violence were perfectly random, only 1 in 8 of victims would be black. That’s why a white “mob” attacking blacks would immediately stand out — if only because it would be an extreme statistical anomaly.

Robert Steinback
Deputy Editor, Hatewatch blog
Southern Poverty Law Center

That’s what I was saying, Robert. The problem is these people who want to be critics just because most of the hate crimes are done by big and bad white nationalists are hard-headed.

Boo-hoo! As always you make excuses for punks and thugs. I refer to the “lack of jobs and frustration they feel” B.S.! With the economy tanking as it is, More people will be without jobs and frustrated. Had these been white youths, you would be screaming “Hate crime! “.

Todd Holmes obviously has a reading comprehension problem and a problem with people coming up with evidence rather than hearsay.

Mr Steinbock. Earlier in this post, Dave Babler called me a bigot and an asshole. Why did you post that comment yet have failed to post most of mine which have never called people names?
In all seriousness, the point I am trying to make is that liberals, progressives, or whatever you call yourselves have as much, if not more HATE than those who call themselves right wing conservatives. If you are looking to end hate, then I suggest you begin with the liberals who post here.

I am upset that my father is a first generation immigrant who came here with little more than $500 in his pocket to start a business. Today he runs a company grossing $1MM+. My best friend is Korean whose parents came here fresh off the boat with little more than their degree in medicine and some family friends in the states and now they are part of a local practice grossing over $500M a year. How is it that people who didn’t get raised in this country can be doing so well yet blacks who have been given every opportunity since birth can not rise up and succeed? Why is it societies problems when black youth misbehavior? Why are we suggesting we spare the rod with these kids? They and their parents should be beaten for their behavior just like they did to others. If there are real consequences then perhaps there will be a small amount of fore thought that goes into their behavior. I have yet to hear about poor white trash flash mobs or poor latino flash mobs or poor asian flash mobs. All of these ethnic groups suffer from poverty. Poverty is not unique to blacks. How is it that Amish can have an educational system with none of the benefits that blacks receive yet they some how behave in society? Could it be their family structure? Could it be that they know who their mom and dad are?

I am curious and pose a question to the readers of this site. Could someone show me a timeline of societal education standards for latinos, asians, africans, and anglos? I’m just curios to see how many generations each are from the time their society discovered the number zero or developed modern structures or indoor plumbing. I would welcome hearing how that chart turns out.

Back to the flash mobs. These children need swifter and more serious consequences. Though unfortunate I will clap the day that some prepared citizen puts one of them down and makes an example that might save the lives of countless others by showing that there are negative affects of this behavior. What these children are doing is more than risking their freedom from jail they are permanently imprinting a stigma on other people of what blacks are really like. And that stigma will now take generations to wash out.

Didn’t a woman have to work twice as hard as a man to be seen as equal until men got it through their thick skulls they could compete? Wasn’t that part of the woman’s equality movement? ….the blacks need to get a clue and behave twice as good as whites, asians, latinos, etc just to prove they can.

splc trying to cover there own ass-etss to what they wanted you not to understand there true meaning.as to all whites contributed to this problem!the splc names only whites for what the black youths have to done.no othere race but the selsted whites by the splc are to blame.but maybe……this is just there imagination that whites are not to blame……nahhh.

Anytime whites do something to blacks it’s a ‘Hate Crime’ and when blacks do it to whites, it’s called self-destructive self-hatred.
Excuses excuses. White people just can’t win!

Angry Arab, you seem to be suggesting there are no black businesses or no black employment or black folks aren’t getting college degrees. You are so wrong on all of them. And just so you know, crime has gone down nationwide and yes, there are stories of non-blacks committing crimes, too. You didn’t hear the stories of Mexican gangs in Southern California killing black folks left and right? Did you know the majority of crimes committed are intraracial? Why should, as you say, blacks behave twice as good when other groups have committed crimes? Who are you, God? What makes you the authority on who is good and who is bad? Obviously, you sound like you have some anti-black feelings. I also like how you said “the blacks.” You must be a Donald Trump fan.

Gene Willis, you sound very incoherent. Try typing without drinking alcohol.

JamesinUSA, did you read the article? The writer is not excusing anyone. Damn, can any one of you read coherently?

Rroberts, why do you assume people who post here are liberals? I don’t identify myself as a liberal. As for the claim of more hatred among liberals, can you provide evidence? All I see from folks is a bunch of whining. And if someone is a bigot, why not identify it?

By the way, Angry Arab, there are absentee fathers who are white, so-called “Latino”, etc. That is not unique to black folks. And as I said, those groups commit crimes, too. Did you hear the story of the white male teenager who beat his mom and dad to death with a hammer in Florida so he can throw a party?

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Oh, and Red, if you’re not going to provide links to prove what you’re saying, why should I take you seriously?

Urban youth suffering from excessive self esteem.

Urban youths? You mean black youths. These violent flash aren’t diverse groups of youngsters attacking random targets. They are mobs of black youths attacking members of other races.

hay,a.d.m. did you know that the jewish owned media only remarks about hate crimes when it only relates to whites?you are doing what all liberals do.sidestep issues concerning what happens to white people and defend only minirities.inter racial,mexicans.you talk as if they are the only people being put upond.oh and by the way,i do not drink.i leave the coolaide drinking to people such as you’rself.

Its bigotry straight up!!! Bigotry taught by the likes of obama and the cowardly, beta-male douche bag Rob Steinback. I have and will continue to run down the shite colored with my truck. Im at 17 1/2. (The 1/2 represents the monkey that kinda crawled away after i hit him.)

Its unfortunate that whenever black people commit crimes and it is reported, the black community has an excuse for it. There is no excuse for violence or any other crime. Wake up community and raise your children right. Stop spreading hatred of other races, we are only 12 percent of the population. You should be integrating more and humbling yourself to gain your future like the rest of us. (I am black and fine…not proud…my pride is not in skin color whether green, blue, yellow, or pink…its in my mind and the power of my virtuous actions) Those youths are WRONG and need a butt woopin. Period. The black community is destructive and when working in groups are filled with hatred. I grew up seeing that hatred of women with beautiful long hair etc. There is no black power just black unrest and discrimination as a group.

What a fricken joke…it’s the fall of western society. Same thing happened to the Romans when the Goths were allowed to do what they wanted to — same thing will happen Tonthe US eventually — it will fall. While we drive the car off the cliff, they’re stepping on the gas pedal