Comments on: Yet Another Historian Refutes ‘Gay Nazi’ Claim

By: joe

joe — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:50:13 +0000

Not a very convincing rebuttal.
You didn’t seem to even try to directly challenge any of the specifics in any way. The fact that a majority of major party members were gay including hitler himself does not seem to be in dispute. Basically your entire argument is that they had anti-gays laws so they couldn’t be gay. Obviously you have never met anyone in the closet before

By: ethan davidson

ethan davidson — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:14:08 +0000

It is a common propoganda tequnique to take something with a grain os truth and greatly exagerate it. Certainly there were gays in the Nazi power structure, both in the SA and elsewhere. They were deeply closeted, and did nothing to defend the great majority of gays, who were put in camps, where they had the lowest status, below that of Jews. Stories are told of men doing horrible things just to be able t switch a pink triangle for a yellow star, And then there were those with both.
One is reminded of the FBI, where closeted gays J edgar hoover, Clyde Tolson, and Roy Cohn pesecuted gays, probably to draw atention away from the fact that they themselves were in the closet.
But this compasrison only goes so far. The closeted gays in the Nazi power structure were not at the very top. That was Hitler, a perverted heterosexual who sexualy harrased his niece.
The closet is, by defintion, a dark and hidden place, and we may never know for sure who was in and who was out.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:06:14 +0000

It was indeed Ernst. He and his contingent were indeed considered rivals by Hitler, because they espoused the “socialist” part of “National Socialism”, which proposed breaking up the great Junker estates, the massive industrial complexes, the large chain stores, and distributing them to small farmers and businessmen and factory owners. This part of the Nazi platform was not written by Hitler and the chances are he never was serious about it, but his deal with the “big boys” determined him never to do any of it. The Roehm clique’s “degeneracy” was the excuse for their liquidation, but he had no such excuse for General Schleicher or the Strassers. As for Hitler’s own degeneracy, he liked to draw dirty pictures of his niece, for which he made her pose.

By: Hartmut

Hartmut — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:11:41 +0000

§175 predated the 3rd Reich and survived it for decades. In the early Weimar republic there was a campaign to get rid of it making use of a short period when censorship was officially abolished. A famous example is the movie “Anders als die Andern” (Different from the others). The Nazis, usually in the shape of chief ideologue Rosenberg’s Kampfbund für Deutsche Kultur (fighting league for German culture) was the main opposing force specializing in creating a ruckus* at screenings (also at stage plays of similar content). This would then serve as an excuse for a crackdown by government and bans of the ‘offensive’ material.
Ernst Roehm was seen by a majority as an embarassement to the Nazi movement and was a constant target of lurid jokes.
Accusing disagreeable officials of homosexuality was also a useful tool to remove them from office, cf. the Blomberg-Fritsch Affair of 1938/9. Ironically, for the pink swastika claims, they became a target because they were opposed to Hitler’s aggressive war plans.

One could as well claim that Nazism was actually a Jewish conspiracy. Alas, even for that nonsense you’ll find ardent supporters (even contemporary ones that considered Nazism ‘verjudet’ (steeped in Jewishness).)

*releasing mice, throwing stink bombs, heckling etc.

By: Jaime

Jaime — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:56:06 +0000

One thing that many people don’t know is that after the war, the laws against homosexuality were not removed in Germany, so while the Jews and others were released from the concentration camps to freedom, the gays were sent to prisons for the crime of being gay. The fact that the gays continued to be persecuted even after the war makes the gay nazi lie even more offensive.

By: GMpilot

GMpilot — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:11:54 +0000

Reynardine,

I think you meant Ernst Roehm, not Eric…

By: Bud Perry

Bud Perry — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 00:54:29 +0000

Reynardine, you mean Erntz Roehm, not Eric. He was executed to eliminate him as a rival of Hitler’s.

The really sad thing is that many of the homosexuals were not liberated from the camps after the allies and the U.S. liberated nearly everyone else. The homosexuals were still considered abnormal undesirables and many were simply transferred to prisons.

By: David Hart

David Hart — Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:49:07 +0000

The simple fact is that Scott Lively isn’t interested in truth. In contrast, Lively is interested in making money off his books while demonizing his favorite target – LGBT people. Like David Barton, Lively knows that he has an incurious constituency who will believe everything that he says – no matter how preposterous. Critical thinking is not exactly their strong suit.

Many of these people are also rabidly antisemitic which they try to hide by conflating Judaism with their support for Israel. Being twice blessed (Jewish and gay), I have no use for these sanctimonious Christianist crackpots.

By: A.D.M.

A.D.M. — Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:07:17 +0000

There was a documentary released not too long ago called “Paragraph 175.” It’s about how Adolf Hitler ordered that gay people be targeted. Gay people were hunted and killed by Nazi Germany. That’s a fact.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:22:09 +0000

Eric Roehm and his contingent were, in large part, macho-homosexuals, and they were all killed off on “The Night of the Long Knives” in June, 1934. The reason for their execution was supposed to be their “degeneracy”, but in fact, they believed in the “socialist” part of National Socialism, which Hitler had renounced in the secret pact with the German industrialists which enabled him to take power.

By: John

John — Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:24:27 +0000

I don’t understand how these people think. Do they know that the Nazis persecuted gay people, and simply lie through their teeth? Do they honestly believe their own propaganda? Or are they simply so intelectually lazy that they just don’t care about what actually happened?

By: Bron

Bron — Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:21:47 +0000

“Gay Nazi” = too bizarre to comprehend in the first instance!