Comments on: DOJ Says Suffolk County, N.Y., Police Need Improvements on Hate Crimes http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/14/doj-says-suffolk-county-n-y-police-need-improvements/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:59:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: james http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/14/doj-says-suffolk-county-n-y-police-need-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-390576 james Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:02:38 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=7831#comment-390576 mr bellone, remind ex county excutive steve levy to give the cassette to internal revenue service. they know about the tape. it would be in the best interest for the goverment to see you have done your job cleaning up the mess. mr bellone, remind ex county excutive steve levy to give the cassette to internal revenue service. they know about the tape. it would be in the best interest for the goverment to see you have done your job cleaning up the mess.

]]> By: ModerateMike http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/14/doj-says-suffolk-county-n-y-police-need-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-324411 ModerateMike Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:20:51 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=7831#comment-324411 The DOJ may have useful advice for the SCPD on how to handle criminal bigotry, but even if the police officers genuinely want to implement it, they will probably find it difficult to get the immigrant community to cooperate without comprehensive immigration reform. With the Secure Communities initiative having resulted in the deporation of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom had no prior criminal record, I would expect immigrants to be very reluctant to have any kind of contact with the police. And for some immigrants, deportation is as good as a death sentence. Just ask the family of Benito Zaldivar, a Salvadoran immigrant who fled to the United States seeking asylum because gang members had threatened to harm his family if he did not join them. Since the gang had not actually harmed either him or his family, however, his asylum request was ultimately denied, and he was deported to El Salvador. Two months later, he was murdered. You can read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/29asylum.html?pagewanted=1 But even if people are unmoved by this story, perhaps they should ask themselves this: What is good about being afraid to talk to the police? If your child were abducted, and the only witness to the crime were an undocumented immigrant, wouldn't you want him or her to come forward? You don't have to agree with my overall position on immigration to see the problem here. If we truly want our communities to be secure, then we need to start thinking seriously about whether our enforcement-only immigration policy is having some unintended consequences. The DOJ may have useful advice for the SCPD on how to handle criminal bigotry, but even if the police officers genuinely want to implement it, they will probably find it difficult to get the immigrant community to cooperate without comprehensive immigration reform. With the Secure Communities initiative having resulted in the deporation of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom had no prior criminal record, I would expect immigrants to be very reluctant to have any kind of contact with the police. And for some immigrants, deportation is as good as a death sentence. Just ask the family of Benito Zaldivar, a Salvadoran immigrant who fled to the United States seeking asylum because gang members had threatened to harm his family if he did not join them. Since the gang had not actually harmed either him or his family, however, his asylum request was ultimately denied, and he was deported to El Salvador. Two months later, he was murdered. You can read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06.....gewanted=1

But even if people are unmoved by this story, perhaps they should ask themselves this: What is good about being afraid to talk to the police? If your child were abducted, and the only witness to the crime were an undocumented immigrant, wouldn’t you want him or her to come forward?

You don’t have to agree with my overall position on immigration to see the problem here. If we truly want our communities to be secure, then we need to start thinking seriously about whether our enforcement-only immigration policy is having some unintended consequences.

]]> By: Jonas Rand http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/14/doj-says-suffolk-county-n-y-police-need-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-324402 Jonas Rand Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:30:47 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=7831#comment-324402 The police beat up, harass, intimidate, and brutalize people and strike fear in entire neighborhoods and communities. They act like the Mafia. The government allows them to do, in essence, what they want without accountability or transparency. Police also do not have to undergo sensitivity training programs, which legitimizes and normalizes their contemptible behavior (such as racism, sexism, brutality, etc). Peace Not Police ! The police beat up, harass, intimidate, and brutalize people and strike fear in entire neighborhoods and communities. They act like the Mafia. The government allows them to do, in essence, what they want without accountability or transparency. Police also do not have to undergo sensitivity training programs, which legitimizes and normalizes their contemptible behavior (such as racism, sexism, brutality, etc). Peace Not Police !

]]> By: Mary http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/14/doj-says-suffolk-county-n-y-police-need-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-324310 Mary Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:34:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=7831#comment-324310 These hate groups in Suffolk and elsewhere should direct their anger at their fellow "caucausian businesses" that hire illegals. It would be a step in the right direction. For if these businesses had to pay US citizens, the same rate of pay,they would not work at these low wages. They would demand higher pay. Then all these people would have to pay higher prices for goods and services, and that they would object to. If you get better wages, your fruit,vegies, whatever these companies make/grow or sell, would cost the consumer more, they would complain because of the rate increases. You can't have it both ways. It's time the consumers know that these businesses who hire illegals be made to follow the law. I know when I got a job on L.I. many years ago, I had to fill out a form, show proof of citizenship - so it is there in place, but needs to be enforced all over. These hate groups in Suffolk and elsewhere should direct their anger at their fellow “caucausian businesses” that hire illegals. It would be a step in the right direction. For if these businesses had to pay US citizens, the same rate of pay,they would not work at these low wages. They would demand higher pay. Then all these people would have to pay higher prices for goods and services, and that they would object to. If you get better wages, your fruit,vegies, whatever these companies make/grow or sell, would cost the consumer more, they would complain because of the rate increases. You can’t have it both ways. It’s time the consumers know that these businesses who hire illegals be made to follow the law. I know when I got a job on L.I. many years ago, I had to fill out a form, show proof of citizenship – so it is there in place, but needs to be enforced all over.

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