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	<title>Comments on: CPAC Snub of Birch Society Shadows ‘Liberty’ Conference</title>
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		<title>By: krissy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/19/cpac-snub-of-birch-society-shadows-liberty-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-326378</link>
		<dc:creator>krissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its amazing the way the want to revert to 1950s fascism.   We defeated the nazis and brought some home. There will always be a backlash to that in a free society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its amazing the way the want to revert to 1950s fascism.   We defeated the nazis and brought some home. There will always be a backlash to that in a free society.</p>
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		<title>By: RockyMissouri</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/19/cpac-snub-of-birch-society-shadows-liberty-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-326269</link>
		<dc:creator>RockyMissouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Not Horst Weisel: THANK YOU!  An excellent comment.
History is indeed a wonderful teacher, and the best and only way to HONOR the ones who learned those terrible lessons in the first place...!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Not Horst Weisel: THANK YOU!  An excellent comment.<br />
History is indeed a wonderful teacher, and the best and only way to HONOR the ones who learned those terrible lessons in the first place&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: NOT Horst Weisel</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOT Horst Weisel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well now, aren&#039;t the &#039;Liberty Loving&#039; Conservatives, with their Liberty Crushing &#039;Patriot Act&#039;, with which they &#039;turned 9/11 into a &quot;New Reichstag Fire&quot;&#039;, and &quot;W&quot; into Americas First Reichs President, now they&#039;re &quot;worried about the preservation of Liberty&quot;, eh?
Ooooh! You mean like Hitler used to the orginal Reichstag Fire to promote his own elevation to the crusher of Dem Deutsche Volks Civil Liberties - all in the name of &quot;Protecting Them&quot;?!?
&#039;&quot;Real&quot; Americans&#039;, these are not!!!
Fools who fail to learn from History..........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well now, aren&#8217;t the &#8216;Liberty Loving&#8217; Conservatives, with their Liberty Crushing &#8216;Patriot Act&#8217;, with which they &#8216;turned 9/11 into a &#8220;New Reichstag Fire&#8221;&#8216;, and &#8220;W&#8221; into Americas First Reichs President, now they&#8217;re &#8220;worried about the preservation of Liberty&#8221;, eh?<br />
Ooooh! You mean like Hitler used to the orginal Reichstag Fire to promote his own elevation to the crusher of Dem Deutsche Volks Civil Liberties &#8211; all in the name of &#8220;Protecting Them&#8221;?!?<br />
&#8216;&#8221;Real&#8221; Americans&#8217;, these are not!!!<br />
Fools who fail to learn from History&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/19/cpac-snub-of-birch-society-shadows-liberty-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-325920</link>
		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;Campaign for Liberty&quot; is really Rand Paul under another name, insofar as it was founded and is run by a longtime Ron Paul supporter and Republican Party hack (sorry, &quot;political consultant&quot;) named John Tate. So the sponsors of this conference run the political gamut from A to B.

Baldwin&#039;s statement that our rights come from God, not Uncle Sam, is a staple view of Christian Reconstructionism. That movement&#039;s chief instigator, the late R.J. Rushdoony, openly proclaimed that Christianity and democracy are incompatible. There&#039;s a recent blog entry at the Chalcedon Foundation (chalcedon.edu), which Rushdoony founded, that summarizes nicely the threat that this kind of &quot;thinking&quot; represents:

&quot;Modern history is a war over the establishment of religion, and unless the Christian recognizes this, he or she shall be overcome by the establishment of Humanism. The things we suffer as nations are the result of man doing what is right in his own eyes whether in economics, politics, education, or culture. ... There can be no change until the Christian can cast aside neutrality and recognize that God&#039;s sovereignty extends over the state, the economy, the courts, the schools, and all things else.&quot;

Kind of hard, I would think, for a politician to hold this sort of opinion without breaking his or her oath to preserve and protect the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Campaign for Liberty&#8221; is really Rand Paul under another name, insofar as it was founded and is run by a longtime Ron Paul supporter and Republican Party hack (sorry, &#8220;political consultant&#8221;) named John Tate. So the sponsors of this conference run the political gamut from A to B.</p>
<p>Baldwin&#8217;s statement that our rights come from God, not Uncle Sam, is a staple view of Christian Reconstructionism. That movement&#8217;s chief instigator, the late R.J. Rushdoony, openly proclaimed that Christianity and democracy are incompatible. There&#8217;s a recent blog entry at the Chalcedon Foundation (chalcedon.edu), which Rushdoony founded, that summarizes nicely the threat that this kind of &#8220;thinking&#8221; represents:</p>
<p>&#8220;Modern history is a war over the establishment of religion, and unless the Christian recognizes this, he or she shall be overcome by the establishment of Humanism. The things we suffer as nations are the result of man doing what is right in his own eyes whether in economics, politics, education, or culture. &#8230; There can be no change until the Christian can cast aside neutrality and recognize that God&#8217;s sovereignty extends over the state, the economy, the courts, the schools, and all things else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kind of hard, I would think, for a politician to hold this sort of opinion without breaking his or her oath to preserve and protect the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/19/cpac-snub-of-birch-society-shadows-liberty-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-325859</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;“those criminals at the Federal Reserve wouldn’t get a bailout. … [T]hey’ll be looking for a place in the big house.”&quot;

Uh..the bailout wasn&#039;t for the Federal Reserve- it came from the treasury to the private banks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“those criminals at the Federal Reserve wouldn’t get a bailout. … [T]hey’ll be looking for a place in the big house.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh..the bailout wasn&#8217;t for the Federal Reserve- it came from the treasury to the private banks.</p>
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		<title>By: ModerateMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>ModerateMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“those criminals at the Federal Reserve wouldn’t get a bailout. … [T]hey’ll be looking for a place in the big house.”

Well, Mr. Baldwin, wouldn&#039;t  they need to be charged with something first? What would be the charges? 

Surely such a devoted advocate for the U.S. Constitution as yourself understands the importance of due process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“those criminals at the Federal Reserve wouldn’t get a bailout. … [T]hey’ll be looking for a place in the big house.”</p>
<p>Well, Mr. Baldwin, wouldn&#8217;t  they need to be charged with something first? What would be the charges? </p>
<p>Surely such a devoted advocate for the U.S. Constitution as yourself understands the importance of due process.</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/19/cpac-snub-of-birch-society-shadows-liberty-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-325527</link>
		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No wonder that on the Global Peace Index, of 153 nations, we placed #82 on the list. Interesting that countries such as Bangladesh, U.A.E, S. Korea, China, Gabon (African nation), Ghana (African nation), Qatar, Egypt, Cuba, Vietnam...scored higher for peace involving crisis and conflict than we did. 

Yeah, yeah, I know! Some on the right will say that the report was biased.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder that on the Global Peace Index, of 153 nations, we placed #82 on the list. Interesting that countries such as Bangladesh, U.A.E, S. Korea, China, Gabon (African nation), Ghana (African nation), Qatar, Egypt, Cuba, Vietnam&#8230;scored higher for peace involving crisis and conflict than we did. </p>
<p>Yeah, yeah, I know! Some on the right will say that the report was biased.</p>
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		<title>By: IludiumPhosdex</title>
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		<dc:creator>IludiumPhosdex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
The other co-sponsor of LPAC was the “Campaign for Liberty,” whose vice president Matt Hawes told convention goers that the organization – built around the popularity of the Tea Party – now has 600,000 supporters nationwide.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How do we know this claim can be substantiated?

Or is it typical &quot;patriot/liberty&quot;-movement braggadoccio requiring substantial exaggeration, usually by a factor of 100?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
The other co-sponsor of LPAC was the “Campaign for Liberty,” whose vice president Matt Hawes told convention goers that the organization – built around the popularity of the Tea Party – now has 600,000 supporters nationwide.
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<p>How do we know this claim can be substantiated?</p>
<p>Or is it typical &#8220;patriot/liberty&#8221;-movement braggadoccio requiring substantial exaggeration, usually by a factor of 100?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;“Our rights don’t come from Uncle Sam,” he said in a fiery voice. “Our rights come from our Creator, God.”&quot;

Prove it.  The next time your rights are violated by another person, pray to god instead of calling the police.  See who responds faster.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Our rights don’t come from Uncle Sam,” he said in a fiery voice. “Our rights come from our Creator, God.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Prove it.  The next time your rights are violated by another person, pray to god instead of calling the police.  See who responds faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That´s a good thing and i praise c-pac for doing this, the birch socity are looney´s that should not have a platform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That´s a good thing and i praise c-pac for doing this, the birch socity are looney´s that should not have a platform.</p>
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