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	<title>Comments on: Again With the Birth Certificate – WorldNetDaily Conjures ‘Inquiry’</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-338697</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if you&#039;re going to use reason and logic............. at least you&#039;re not using science.......LOL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you&#8217;re going to use reason and logic&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. at least you&#8217;re not using science&#8230;&#8230;.LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: jtmunkus</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-331333</link>
		<dc:creator>jtmunkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The birthers would have us believe:

- President Obama&#039;s 18-year-old, college student mother was a patsy in a half-century Kenyan Muslim Communist New World Order (seriously!) plot to take over the USA, or she was knowingly part of the conspiracy, in 1961.
- Obama&#039;s grandmother infiltrated some Hawai&#039;i state office and planted fake identity information, as part of the plot; she also - in 1961 - applied for a Hawai&#039;i birth certificate for young Barack H. Obama II, who was born in Kenya, because a 1980&#039;s law allows grandparents to do so.
- NWO operatives went to dozens of libraries in the USA and planted/replaced microfiched copies of the two 1961 Honolulu newspaper birth announcements (that were placed by the state of Hawai&#039;i in 1961), to make these announcements look legitimate.  
- President Obama, at 17, was issued a fake Social Security number, which he used for 30 years (until birthers published it and he had it reissued) that SSA, FBI, CIA, USSS collectively never noticed - or they&#039;re all part of the coverup.  This SSN was probably provided (in the &#039;70&#039;s) by Weatherman Bill Ayers, because Obama knew him in the 2000&#039;s.
- The president should be deposed, arrested, and possibly executed (according to many birthers), for this supposed Social Security fraud.
- That every action, appointment, order, and law signed by Obama should be nullified.
- That every sitting member of Congress, the entire state of Hawai&#039;i administration and legislature (current and past, Democratic and Republican), Obama&#039;s entire cabinet, &amp; every member of the Judicial Branch are complicit in illegal alien Obama&#039;s coup d&#039;etat, which has been successful in covertly installing a Hitler-like but Muslim dictatorship, based on Communism and run behind the scenes by the Weather Underground and the Black Panthers - under the fraudulent guise of a successfully, popularly won democratic election.
- That even if Obama were born in the USA, he wouldn&#039;t be eligible for the presidency anyway, because a 18th Century Swiss writer said a natural born citizen should be born to two citizen parents.  Since one or two of the founding fathers mentioned this writer, the Constitution therefore must be based on his philosophy, even though it is not, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled it is not.
- The birthers&#039; proposed solution to the &#039;eligibility&#039; problem is to imprison and punish the president, without a trial or impeachment or any due process, to install a temporary Republican president, and call some sort of extra-constitutional special election.  Ban all religions except fundamentalist Christianity, exile all non-conservatives, and install a theocracy-based, single-party rule, military dictatorship.

It&#039;s absolutely insane, absurd, preposterous &amp; false.  This is a racist hate movement hiding behind patriotism, while their actions are as anti-American as anyone could imagine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The birthers would have us believe:</p>
<p>- President Obama&#8217;s 18-year-old, college student mother was a patsy in a half-century Kenyan Muslim Communist New World Order (seriously!) plot to take over the USA, or she was knowingly part of the conspiracy, in 1961.<br />
- Obama&#8217;s grandmother infiltrated some Hawai&#8217;i state office and planted fake identity information, as part of the plot; she also &#8211; in 1961 &#8211; applied for a Hawai&#8217;i birth certificate for young Barack H. Obama II, who was born in Kenya, because a 1980&#8242;s law allows grandparents to do so.<br />
- NWO operatives went to dozens of libraries in the USA and planted/replaced microfiched copies of the two 1961 Honolulu newspaper birth announcements (that were placed by the state of Hawai&#8217;i in 1961), to make these announcements look legitimate.<br />
- President Obama, at 17, was issued a fake Social Security number, which he used for 30 years (until birthers published it and he had it reissued) that SSA, FBI, CIA, USSS collectively never noticed &#8211; or they&#8217;re all part of the coverup.  This SSN was probably provided (in the &#8217;70&#8242;s) by Weatherman Bill Ayers, because Obama knew him in the 2000&#8242;s.<br />
- The president should be deposed, arrested, and possibly executed (according to many birthers), for this supposed Social Security fraud.<br />
- That every action, appointment, order, and law signed by Obama should be nullified.<br />
- That every sitting member of Congress, the entire state of Hawai&#8217;i administration and legislature (current and past, Democratic and Republican), Obama&#8217;s entire cabinet, &amp; every member of the Judicial Branch are complicit in illegal alien Obama&#8217;s coup d&#8217;etat, which has been successful in covertly installing a Hitler-like but Muslim dictatorship, based on Communism and run behind the scenes by the Weather Underground and the Black Panthers &#8211; under the fraudulent guise of a successfully, popularly won democratic election.<br />
- That even if Obama were born in the USA, he wouldn&#8217;t be eligible for the presidency anyway, because a 18th Century Swiss writer said a natural born citizen should be born to two citizen parents.  Since one or two of the founding fathers mentioned this writer, the Constitution therefore must be based on his philosophy, even though it is not, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled it is not.<br />
- The birthers&#8217; proposed solution to the &#8216;eligibility&#8217; problem is to imprison and punish the president, without a trial or impeachment or any due process, to install a temporary Republican president, and call some sort of extra-constitutional special election.  Ban all religions except fundamentalist Christianity, exile all non-conservatives, and install a theocracy-based, single-party rule, military dictatorship.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s absolutely insane, absurd, preposterous &amp; false.  This is a racist hate movement hiding behind patriotism, while their actions are as anti-American as anyone could imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-330214</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 02:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s another birther group, calling themselves veterans and effectively threatening revolution over the &quot;illegitimate president&quot;.  http://www.veterandefenders.org/

See their &quot;A Declaration to Restore the Constitutional Republic&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another birther group, calling themselves veterans and effectively threatening revolution over the &#8220;illegitimate president&#8221;.  <a href="http://www.veterandefenders.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.veterandefenders.org/</a></p>
<p>See their &#8220;A Declaration to Restore the Constitutional Republic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-329686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Phila.  The idea that the government needed such a pretext to be just that horrible(but not too horrible, for example if the fourth plane had hit some populated area), is ridiculous.  If they wanted to manufacture a pretext, there were much easier ways.  Why would it be so necessary for the two towers plus WTC7 to fall, and not the other towers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Phila.  The idea that the government needed such a pretext to be just that horrible(but not too horrible, for example if the fourth plane had hit some populated area), is ridiculous.  If they wanted to manufacture a pretext, there were much easier ways.  Why would it be so necessary for the two towers plus WTC7 to fall, and not the other towers?</p>
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		<title>By: Phila</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-329601</link>
		<dc:creator>Phila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 03:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But, about the truthers, I think they are on to something. What happened to Building 7, again? &lt;/i&gt;

It amazes me that people imagine there was some magical level of damage that had to be reached for the U.S. to go to war. The fact is, if neither tower had fallen, 9/11 would still have been used as a justification for war, and the U.S. population still would&#039;ve acquiesced.  

The previous time we invaded Iraq, we did it because Saddam&#039;s soldiers allegedly murdered babies in Kuwaiti incubators. That&#039;s evidence of gullibility and bloodthirstiness if anything is.  And yet, we&#039;re supposed to believe that controlled demolition was required on 9/11, presumably because we peace-loving Americans wouldn&#039;t have countenanced a brutal war of choice otherwise. The whole idea is absurd.

9/11 truthers are escapists, if you ask me. They can&#039;t face the reality of the situation -- including, perhaps, their own culpability as American citizens for the Bush administration&#039;s actions -- and so they spend all their time obsessing over trivia like Building 7. It&#039;s like collecting baseball cards or watching &quot;American Idol,&quot; only you get to pretend to be a serious person. In other words...yeah, they&#039;re a hell of a lot like the birthers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But, about the truthers, I think they are on to something. What happened to Building 7, again? </i></p>
<p>It amazes me that people imagine there was some magical level of damage that had to be reached for the U.S. to go to war. The fact is, if neither tower had fallen, 9/11 would still have been used as a justification for war, and the U.S. population still would&#8217;ve acquiesced.  </p>
<p>The previous time we invaded Iraq, we did it because Saddam&#8217;s soldiers allegedly murdered babies in Kuwaiti incubators. That&#8217;s evidence of gullibility and bloodthirstiness if anything is.  And yet, we&#8217;re supposed to believe that controlled demolition was required on 9/11, presumably because we peace-loving Americans wouldn&#8217;t have countenanced a brutal war of choice otherwise. The whole idea is absurd.</p>
<p>9/11 truthers are escapists, if you ask me. They can&#8217;t face the reality of the situation &#8212; including, perhaps, their own culpability as American citizens for the Bush administration&#8217;s actions &#8212; and so they spend all their time obsessing over trivia like Building 7. It&#8217;s like collecting baseball cards or watching &#8220;American Idol,&#8221; only you get to pretend to be a serious person. In other words&#8230;yeah, they&#8217;re a hell of a lot like the birthers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-329484</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Building 7 was hit by falling debris from one of the towers. Truthers, after all these years, prefer not showing(or even not looking at) photos and video of building 7 from other sides. The reason why is because there was a 20 story gaping hole in one side, with smoke pouring out of the windows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building 7 was hit by falling debris from one of the towers. Truthers, after all these years, prefer not showing(or even not looking at) photos and video of building 7 from other sides. The reason why is because there was a 20 story gaping hole in one side, with smoke pouring out of the windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Rand</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-329379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 04:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. They are True Believers and will never be convinced to abandon their discredited Obama Birth Certificate nonsense.

But, about the truthers, I think they are on to something. What happened to Building 7, again? If 9/11 was a conspiracy to give the Middle East endless war while warmongers achieve endless profit (not to mention for the government to distance itself from one of its more embarrassing agents, Al-Qaida), it was a success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. They are True Believers and will never be convinced to abandon their discredited Obama Birth Certificate nonsense.</p>
<p>But, about the truthers, I think they are on to something. What happened to Building 7, again? If 9/11 was a conspiracy to give the Middle East endless war while warmongers achieve endless profit (not to mention for the government to distance itself from one of its more embarrassing agents, Al-Qaida), it was a success.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-329246</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 02:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just watched an old favorite movie, &quot;Used Cars&quot;, from about 1978, which is still Five Star excellent, by the way. A very strict judge in the movie, played by &quot;Grandpa Munster&quot;, has a miniature gallows and guillotine on his judicial bench. I had never noticed before, but when he walks out of the courthouse, it&#039;s the Maricopa County Courthouse. It was filmed in Mesa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched an old favorite movie, &#8220;Used Cars&#8221;, from about 1978, which is still Five Star excellent, by the way. A very strict judge in the movie, played by &#8220;Grandpa Munster&#8221;, has a miniature gallows and guillotine on his judicial bench. I had never noticed before, but when he walks out of the courthouse, it&#8217;s the Maricopa County Courthouse. It was filmed in Mesa.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-328848</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How will they sell their books if the birth certificate issue falls off the public&#039;s radar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will they sell their books if the birth certificate issue falls off the public&#8217;s radar?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-328825</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot on.  A skeptic changes his opinion when sufficient evidence is provided.  Birthers and truthers do not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on.  A skeptic changes his opinion when sufficient evidence is provided.  Birthers and truthers do not.</p>
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		<title>By: highdudgeonaz</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/09/29/again-with-the-birth-certificate-worldnetdaily-conjures-inquiry/comment-page-1/#comment-328522</link>
		<dc:creator>highdudgeonaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The skeptics&quot; you refer to are denialists. The truth is, no amount of evidence will ever convince them that Obama&#039;s birth certificate is genuine (or that where he was born is of any consequence at all), just as you cannot convince a 9/11 Troofer that the Twin Towers were not felled by controlled demolitions by black hat government agents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The skeptics&#8221; you refer to are denialists. The truth is, no amount of evidence will ever convince them that Obama&#8217;s birth certificate is genuine (or that where he was born is of any consequence at all), just as you cannot convince a 9/11 Troofer that the Twin Towers were not felled by controlled demolitions by black hat government agents.</p>
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