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In Book, Pat Buchanan Thanks Karate-Chopping Racist for Research
In a few weeks, MSNBC commentator Pat Buchanan will unleash his latest book, Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025? According to its Amazon.com product description, the lyrically titled screed “traces the disintegration [of America] to three historic changes: America’s loss of her cradle faith, Christianity; the moral, social, and cultural collapse that have followed from that loss; and the slow death of the people who created and ruled the nation.”
Weighty topics. Fortunately, Buchanan wasn’t alone in sussing them out. As Media Matters pointed out yesterday, in his acknowledgements, Buchanan extends “special thanks” to one Marcus Epstein, “for the invaluable assistance and untold hours he devoted to researching ideas, issues, and anecdotes.”
Epstein, a loyal acolyte who in a blog post for the white nationalist hate site VDARE (named for Virginia Dare, the first English child to be born in the New World) praised Buchanan as “the lone voice of sanity in a nation driven mad,” must be delighted. Once moderately notorious as an early associate of the ultraconservative student organization Youth for Western Civilization (YWC), Epstein is these days much better known for his drunken assault on a black woman who happened to be passing by as he wandered the streets of Washington, D.C., in July, 2007. According to court records, Epstein was making offensive comments about non-whites and decided to express himself more dramatically by calling an African-American woman passing by a “nigger” and then attempting to karate chop her in the head. He was briefly detained by the woman’s husband, but escaped only to be taken into custody minutes later by a Secret Service officer who witnessed the altercation. He pleaded guilty in 2008 and agreed to continue mental health counseling, complete an alcohol treatment program, write a letter of apology to the victim and donate $1,000 to the United Negro College Fund.
Epstein’s arrest became public in 2009, leading the supposedly non-racist YWC (which nonetheless associates with unapologetic white nationalists like American Renaissance’s Jared Taylor, who wrote in 2005, “When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears.”) to distance itself from him completely.
Fortunately, he had friends in other places. After graduating from college in 2006, the young white nationalist was hired as executive director of American Cause, a group led by Pat Buchanan and his sister Bay that seeks to “promote traditional American values.” Epstein also became executive director of Team America, a political action committee “dedicated to securing our nation’s borders”; it’s headed by Bay Buchanan and Tom Tancredo, who would later become YWC’s honorary chairman.
When news of his racist assault became public, Epstein’s conservative benefactors rushed to his defense, castigating the media for making a mountain out of a molehill. “I’m assuming that the only thing that makes [the incident] even newsworthy is the fact that it comes in the context of the Sotomayor thing,” Tancredo — who a week earlier had declared that then-Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor “appeared to be a racist” — told The Denver Post. Bay Buchanan downplayed the incident, telling the Post it was “an out-of-character moment” for Epstein and that he was only kept on after agreeing to treatment. She added that Epstein would be voluntarily leaving Team America PAC later that summer.
Epstein disappeared from visible activism after that, but it’s no surprise to learn that he’s been working behind the scenes for Pat Buchanan, whose history of white nationalism is well documented. In 2002, his The Death of the West warned white Christendom against a looming demographic tipping point. (The book’s message so energized former Klan leader David Duke that Duke fantasized on his own radio show last year about winning the presidency with Buchanan as his running mate.) It was in that book — edited by Sam Francis, chief ideologue of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens — that Buchanan first began using the explicit language of white nationalism. In his footnotes to The Death of the West, the former Nixon speechwriter even cited the late William Pierce, author of the race-war novel The Turner Diaries and the founder of America’s then-leading neo-Nazi group, to back up his own arguments.
His 2006 book State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America reflected racial views that veered into the extreme. White America is changing color, Buchanan argued — “one of the greatest tragedies in human history.” The Mexican government is involved in a plot to take over the Southwestern United States, and parts of this country already look like the “Third World.” America, despite what its founders wrote, was a nation formed not on the basis of creed but rather a homogenous ethnic culture. With its blood-and-soil nationalism and echoes of Nazi ideology, State of Emergency unapologetically reflects Buchanan’s insistence on the centrality of race to the United States and its culture. “This idea of America as a creedal nation bound together not by ‘blood or birth or soil’ but by ‘ideals’ that must be taught and learned … is demonstrably false,” Buchanan wrote.
In July, he defended Anders Breivik’s theories about the supposed evils of multiculturalism, writing that the Oslo terrorist, who slaughtered 77 people in July, “may be right.” He denounced New York’s passage of a law to legalize same-sex marriage in a blog post earlier the same month, waxing wistful on the virtue of prejudice and arguing that if a prejudice has withstood the centuries, there must be a good and valuable reason for it.
That a man who has unapologetically and repeatedly expressed such ideas has no problem hiring the likes of Epstein should not, then, be particularly shocking. While YWC is still struggling to maintain plausible deniability on charges of racism and must distance itself from its vile former associate, Buchanan — for reasons that aren’t entirely clear — has over decades of open bigotry accumulated a degree of gravitas which allows him to associate himself with whomever he likes. The karate-chopping racist hanging on his coattails must consider himself lucky.
on October 1st, 2011 at 8:23 am
Pat Buchanan’s book is a little late – the “America” he fears is in danger of disappearing actually ended with the death of the Confederacy – which is just as well with me because it’s not a country I’d want to visit, let alone live in.
on October 1st, 2011 at 6:34 pm
I’ve never understood why MSNBC, of all networks, has Buchanan as a commentator. The more I learn about him and some of the things he’s said in the past, the more stunned I am that *any* major news network would take him seriously enough to give him a platform.
on October 1st, 2011 at 9:12 pm
“I’ve never understood why MSNBC, of all networks, has Buchanan as a commentator. The more I learn about him and some of the things he’s said in the past, the more stunned I am that *any* major news network would take him seriously enough to give him a platform.”
Because even the (corporate-owned) “liberal” MSNBC doesn’t come close to having a “left-wing bias”. They still have some centrist commentators, along with the moderately left-wing Rachel Maddow, but they cannot be branded part of the “liberal media” (liberal being what counts for left-wing in mainstream US politics). Cenk Uygur and Keith Olbermann, who are both on the Left, are gone from MSNBC too. They are not much different from the other establishment media (except for Fox’s blatant GOP propaganda).
Still, it would be better were MSNBC to feature a radical right-wing voice who isn’t a racist crackpot. That is, if they can find one.
on October 1st, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Racists wear the skeleton where the skin membrane organ should be.
on October 2nd, 2011 at 4:58 pm
You egregiously (and typically) manage to connect David Duke with Buchanan, but since you only worry about the far-right, there is nothing but collaboration in these parts with leftist anti-semites such as Jeffrey Imm.
on October 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm
“…there is nothing but collaboration in these parts with leftist anti-semites such as Jeffrey Imm.”
Um…who?
on October 3rd, 2011 at 2:40 am
I really don’t see how the article “connects” Buchanan to Duke, other than pointing out how positive Duke was about Buchanan. This is not meant to suggest they are in cahoots; it’s just showing the affinity certain racists have for Buchanan.
on October 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am
“that Buchanan first began using the explicit language of white nationalism. In his footnotes to The Death of the West, the former Nixon speechwriter even cited the late William Pierce, author of the race-war novel The Turner Diaries and the founder of America’s then-leading neo-Nazi group, to back up his own arguments.”
I need to see that inside. Please provide the actual reference, because frankly, you folks like to smear, and I don’t trust you to be fair, and neither should anyone else.
It’s your job to smear, right?
Rusian wrote,
“I really don’t see how the article “connects” Buchanan to Duke, other than pointing out how positive Duke was about Buchanan. This is not meant to suggest they are in cahoots”
Yeah, then maybe skip those type of smears. They look sleazy, like you’re cheating. Can you understand why they look sleazy, like you’re cheating?
on October 3rd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
^In response to 6 degrees:
Why don’t you actually buy/rent/ borrow the book from one of your no doubt numerous racialized right-wing pals and look up the reference yourself? If you frankly believe that the SPLC and its affiliates smear and don’t trust them to be fair, why come and post here in a forum where you know the absolute majority have vehemently opposing political views? Since you yourself couldn’t take the time to provide it above, apparently having the facts and evidence laid bare in front of you don’t really matter all that much when all you really want to is throw a barage of ad hominems and strawmen….
There’s nothing smearing, sleazing or deceitful about calling people w/ these sort of idiotic, hypocritical, and abhorrent beliefs out when they have such an expansive audience they’re talking to. They claim that America need to retain its “white European majority” and all this nationalist/supremacist jazz, but they never mentioned why America’s first immigrants had to commit cultural genocide to the original inhabitants the Indians, the only ‘real’ Americans if there is any rational or technical definition. Nor do they take the time to explain how, millions of blacks were were forced into inhumane servitude to build and make so much of this country that continues to deny them their proper citizenship recognition in too many ways to be listed here, but they’ll write off any positive accomplishments to scapegoat them for crime, poor education, disease and anything else they can jump off the fringe with. Why did whites force Chinese Americans to construct most of our railroad system and mine gold w/out thought of some sort of reparation? Why did we intern thousands of de facto Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor when our government knew these residents presented virtually zero threat to the order of our democracy? It’s kind of funny how they drafted them (those pesky Blacks, Indians, and Japanese) to go fight World War 2, defeat fascism, save our great nation, and become national heroes, yet so many people (i.e. white people) didn’t see them terribly to differently than the average nazi we were apparently opposing (I guess salvery, lynching, anti-miscegenation laws, and segregated schools+ everything else hadn’t occured to them to be on equal footing to a politics that operated concentration death camps, gas chambers and mass burnings of Jewish people and others, but maybe they simply wern’t as ‘good’ and patriotic as they *ahem* absolved themselves to be!) But I disgress, they (white gentile people who were ‘never’ IL-legal immigrants in the first place) were always better off and knew it, and were for the most perfectly charming about it!
And did you know that Texas was actually part of Mexico once upon a time before becoming a hardcore Red State horrified at the thought of any more ‘illegal’ immigrants crossing the border and actually sustaining employment growth, not hindering it? Even the George Bus on steroids wingnut Rick Perry says they ought to have equality by assimilation, the most reasonable thing he’ll probably ever state as a politician. Why can’t European Whites go anywhere in the world without having several one or several other ethnic/racial groups be forced to submit unquestioningly to their agenda and worldview? If that’s what makes us an opposing socialist/marxist/communist/liberal or whatever to people that have no idea what the hell their talking about mudslinging these SMEARS, cool with yours truly!
And what’s w/ u defending avowed white supremacists anyway?; they are bigoted, they are narrow-minded, and morrally depraved people who should be highlighted for their extremist stances to the mainstream America (liberal,conservative, libertarian, whatever,etc.) who’d rather NOT have them as commentators/columnists,etc. in major media operations. We all ahve the right to not be be offended, but we also have the right to call people on their B.S. (slander, libel, etc.) when appropriate. How this is a “smear” in your mind I have no clue but than again, if I can only get it by ‘walking in your shooes’, let’s just keep it that way. SO much for Obama’s post-racial United States, but as long as we have infinite stupidity, in the words of Einstein, than I guess it really can’t go away too far for too long…Chivalry as far as this ‘perfected’ democratic republic or any other that succeeds it goes was burried alive the moment our founding fathers had the genius idea to make blacks, and pretty much all non-white rich white males, 3/5s a person under the Constitution in the name of ‘distributing electoral power’. Liberty and justice FOR SOME is still the status quo after all those amendments and struggles I guess…
on October 3rd, 2011 at 4:05 pm
6 Degrees, you can easily find a copy of the book Death of the West and check the footnotes for a citation of William Pierce. I did some checking and found that the citation(there may be more) came from a broadcast of ADV, American Dissident Voices, which was the radio program of the National Alliance. Supposedly the radio program was about 1930s intellectuals behind leftist social movements, so I am assuming it was on the Frankfurt school. Like William S. Lind, Pierce and Buchanan were both of the belief that Frankfurt school professors largely caused all of America’s problems after WWII. Pierce of course, is intimately interested in the Jewish heritage of most of those professors.
Where all three intellectuals fail however, is in their ignorance of the work and many details of those Frankfurst schoolers, how they actually went against Marxist theory by standing it on its head, and they also tend to overestimate their influence as well. People like Buchanan, Pierce, and Lind, often have a romanticized view of America prior to the counter-culture movements of the 60s. They believe that things were fine and dandy until a few trouble-makers appeared and started stirring up problems. Actual historical and sociological research shows a much different picture though.
Of course facts never stopped a reactionary.
on October 3rd, 2011 at 4:46 pm
“Why don’t you actually buy/rent/ borrow the book from one of your no doubt numerous racialized right-wing pals and look up the reference yourself?”
1) It doesn’t work like that. If you bring a reference, BRING THE REFERENCE! Maybe you didn’t go to an institution of higher education, but that is how it works.
2) You either don’t understand who William Pierce is, or you are attempting to show how I am correct by noting how wrong it is to compare people to that genocidal maniac.
As for your strange rant that is on the cusp of Holocaust denial in the rest of the body of your comment, I’ll leave it to others to comment on (won’t hold my breath).
on October 3rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm
“1) It doesn’t work like that. If you bring a reference, BRING THE REFERENCE! Maybe you didn’t go to an institution of higher education, but that is how it works.”
Incorrect. It is not necessary for every news article to reprint lines from a book with the citation. Never has been. This is a fact which can be easily verified. The SPLC seems to have uncovered this in the following article:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-i.....-extremism
It seems rather odd that they would dedicate an article to something which could be so easily refuted..
In any case, when I have time I will find the exact citation. I managed to find a copy of the book online but the format can only be read by my e-book reader and I’m not about to transfer it over just yet. If you persist in this nonsensical ranting, I’ll happily provide the exact page number and the citation.
“2) You either don’t understand who William Pierce is, or you are attempting to show how I am correct by noting how wrong it is to compare people to that genocidal maniac.”
Nobody compared Buchanan to Pierce. The statement says that Buchanan cited Pierce in one of his books. The link says he cited an ADV broadcast regarding the Frankfurt school(most likely). This is entirely in character with Buchanan, who like William S. Lind believes in the concept of “Cultural Marxism”.
on October 3rd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov, I didn’t realize it would be such a big deal to get the reference. My concern is guilt by non-association, which is something I have seen too often on these issues. I feel I have been heard, and accept that the reason the reference wasn’t brought was that it wasn’t handy.
In regards to your claim that the issue is the “concept of ‘Cultural Marxism’” I have to confess I don’t understand why that would be your issue, As I am sure you are aware, Marxism changed away from the fiscal Marxism of the Old Left to what many call “Cultural Marxism.” I have met many “socialists” who call themselves Marxists, and who prefer to see things in racial and gender terms. Granted, not everyone who shares some of that POV would call themselves Marxists, never mind “Cultural” Marxists, but the history of the movement is clear, as are its now classic intellectuals such as Adorno and Horkheimer.
What do you prefer to call it? I generally reference “social liberal” or “far-Left” depending on how radical and hardline I perceive the person who embraces these concepts to some extent.
on October 4th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Ok 6 Degree, I hope you like being humiliated, because I managed to download the book in question.
Chapter 4, note #39
39. Broadcast of American Dissident Voices, “The NEA’s Anti-American Agenda Threatens Our Nation,” March 13, 1993
Hmm…exactly as the other SPLC article said. Also, note that neither this nor the other article tries to “connect” or compare Buchanan to Pierce; they merely pointed out that he cited him in his book, an irrefutable fact.
That means you lose. Have a nice day.
on October 4th, 2011 at 7:58 am
My post appeared after yours, so you couldn’t help it, but you lost. As you can see I provided the citation and you can easily find the book and verify for yourself.
As for your claims about “cultural Marxism”, it is nonsense. The term is used exclusively by the far right; not even the New Left with which it is associated used the term. It is true that that movement originally borrowed concepts from Marxism, but this was inevitable seeing as how Marx is considered one of the founding fathers of sociology if not THE founder. It’s really hard to strike out a path for some new school of physics without borrowing a few key ideas from Newton, of course.
Basically the reason for the rise of “Cultural Marixsm” is that some Cold Warriors like Paddy here started to note that as the New Left grew up, they kept their socially liberal and progressive ideas for the most part, yet came to embrace free market capitalism and neo-liberal economics. This was especially true since the fall of the USSR and Clinton personified this fact(as does Obama). More astute pundits like Buchanan realized that it’s a little hard to accuse someone of being a Marxist while they’re waging class warfare on behalf of the rich, privatizing and deregulating.
Still, “Marxist” is still a useful “snarl” word to smear people, and they didn’t want to give it up. Hence “Cultural Marxist”, which is basically like saying “Oh ok I realize this person’s ideology and actions are 180 degrees the opposite of any Marxist, but he’s still a MARXIST….CULTURALLY!!” It doesn’t mean anything because to just tack Marxism onto culture doesn’t mean anything.
If you feel otherwise, feel free to explain to us exactly what Cultural Marxism is, but be aware you will be asked to explain your claims.
In the mean time, here’s what actual Marxists think of Cultural Marxism.
http://theredphoenixapl.org/20.....l-marxism/
Note that this article directly addresses William S. Lind’s definition and explanation of “Cultural Marxism”.
on October 4th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
^6 Degrees:
Interesting you didn’t read my post in its entirety and picked up the main thesis that was about as close to a ‘Holocaust Denial’ as say, you are at making a rational and pertinent argument about well, uhh, anything, but I digress…
As someone who did graduate from an institution of higher learning, its dead clear you have no interest in finding whatever citation that got your limited cognitive power in a bunch, but ARE interested in popping up here on comment threads to make ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do w/ the article’s argument, period. Than again, right-wingers and their ideologies are anti-intellectual as a matter of laziness and blatant dishonesty, so little wonder your response had absolutely NOTHING to do w/ the assertations made to your ‘smear’ claim; typical reactionary hyperbole from across the spectrum but a religious practice for the New Right and its adherents.
And by the way, Buchanan was CITING favorably William Pierce’s “The Turner Diaries” (an anti-semitic & white supremacist volume in the same twisted vein w/ “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”, David Duke’s “My Awakening” and pretty much anything else written by this bigoted crypt keeper dummy. Its in support of this thesis that European whites of Conservative Christian ideology are the ‘true’ heirs of ‘Western Civilization’ and without them in the ‘majority’ everything will surely be shot to hell. Please…I’m not even going to bother repeating all the atrocities in the above post or how divorced from reality such lunacy is. They say their superior and supreme in the same breaths of statement that ‘their an endangered species’ and are ‘strangers in *their* own land’ as if they bought and cashed some receipt for it. This doesn’t mean Buchanan is a homicidal menace to society but you have to wonder why the tub of lard keeps showing face at Holocaust Denial conferences, white nationalist events (Council of Conservative Citizens & American Renaissance), and supremacist talk radio (The Political Cesspool w/ that Edwards douche) in addition to making the most incendiary comments against Jews, blacks, immigrants and other over-marginalized groups over @ MSNBC. He’s protected by his Freedom of Speech sure, but do it where the rest of ‘decent’ and orderly society doesn’t have to dwell or hear this trash. All of them need a ‘real awakening’ and realize that slavery is abolished, the Confederacy is lost, and The Civil Rights movement for all people came out on top in the end!; Just go somewhere and die if you can’t deal w/ it. These guys are lower than whale dung at the ocean floor and need to stay down, I swear…
on October 5th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Ironically, under Epstein’s own philosophy, karate, which is Japanese in origin, would not be present in the nightmarish America he envisions.
on October 5th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@Alan Aardman – Perhaps Mr. Epstein would be better suited to Krav Maga instead, considering his racialist worldview.
on October 6th, 2011 at 3:18 am
Well Jonas, he could try Western boxing, which hails from England and technically Ancient Greece. But then again taking up that sport requires some courage and a willingness to get hit.
on October 6th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
The media sometimes become so concerned with providing “balanced” coverage that they neglect objectivity. This idea that “we heard from side A, so now we have to hear from side B” ignores the importance of vetting the speakers/writers to some extent to determine if what they have to say has some basis in fact. Yes, Pat Buchanan is a commentator, but surely MSNBC must realize that much of the public will take what he has to say as factual.
I call myself “ModerateMike”, but that does not mean that I am a centrist; what passes for centrism makes too many concessions to the outright lies told by people like Pat Buchanan. To me, being moderate is not about seeking a middle ground, but about being dedicated to the truth, and to the realization that my understanding of truth must be allowed to evolve as I become more informed. I would like to see that basic ethic upheld by the media as well.
on October 6th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Thank god he ran away with his election fund from the last time he ran for president.
on October 6th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Thank you for your comments…. I don’t understand why Buchanan is such a bigoted person..but he needs to retire. We need to get beyond attitudes like his.
Thank you, SPLC!
on October 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
david star duke has much more in common with crinimals than with Pat Buchanan; whom is a traditional Roman Catholic. Who has always stood up for traditional western thought and ideas. Such as personal property rights, States Rights, rule of law, and the basic freedoms we have in the United States. Mr. B. even ran for President, it’s a shame he lost.
david star duke, rambles on, rehashes William Pierce lifes work, takes sex trips to E. Europe, snuggle trips to the Middle East, squaders his followers money and supports the white trash of society.
These two men couldn’t be more different. Mr. B. is a successful business person, writer, and that really burns lefties up!
on October 6th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Uh — isn’t this “white nationalist” Epstein person half-Asian?
on October 6th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Marcus Epstein is not a “WHITE nationalist” as you slimebags insinuate, at least according to the official US Bureau of the Census race and caste classification system that seems to have been rabidly adopted as the “race science” basis for so much of SPLC’s own Mein Kampf Lite drivel.
Marcus is a warm, caring, thoughtful, self-critical, funny, and ethical human being. And as anyone who has ever met the man is aware, he is a modern BI-racial American.
on October 6th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
6 Degrees:
It appears that you are deliberately playing dumb when you are unable to break down a sentence, much less a paragraph.
“The book’s message so energized former Klan leader David Duke that Duke fantasized on his own radio show last year about winning the presidency with Buchanan as his running mate.”
Nowhere in that quote does Grand Wizard Ernie Dukes imply that he has a connection with Buchanan (other than in spirit.) Certainly Ms Nelson does not.
The point is that a genuine man of faith and integrity would disavow any support of hate and nativist groups, and follow through on it. In this arena guilt by association is unavoidable; that kind of filth sticks AND stinks.
If you believe the point of these articles is to smear then reading them is not educating you or enriching your life. Perhaps, your time would be better spent reading these obscene, ignorant, hate-filled books. Or watching FAUX NEWS. Or banging your head against the wall…some more.
on October 6th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Marcus is not a racist nor is he a “white nationalist.” He is a pleasant human being and is half-korean. As a black female, I find it offensive that you would label him a racist when you don’t even know him or the person that he has become since that dark time in his life. Your comments are akin to calling John Newton a totally unworthy and racist human being because he had a dark past of being a slave trader. However, did he go down in the tomes of history for his former behavior? No. Because he turned over a new leaf he went down in history as a warrior for the abolitionist cause!! Marcus made a mistake in his past, not as serious as John Newton, Bill Clinton, and other notables, but he is a different person today than he was when he was an alcoholic. There is such a thing as personal growth and transformation. Marcus has turned over a new leaf. He is a kind person and I am glad to know him. So what if Pat Buchanan gave him kudos?! And…..?! Are you going to smear every person associated with Buchanan and call them a racist? Ad hominem attacks…classy!
on October 6th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Praise for Pat Buchanan:
“Buchanan is an honest writer who … minces nothing except an occasional opponent.”
—The Philadelphia Inquirer
“Nobody turns a sharp phrase, drops an historical reference, or makes a literary allusion as naturally as Pat Buchanan.”
—Human Events
“Buchanan is a muscular writer, fully in command of the English language he feels is under siege. He is adept at linking history, statistics, and the writings of philosophers and economists to proffer forceful arguments.”
—The Washington Post
“Mr. Buchanan … is positively fearless. He is also right.”
—Tony Blankley, The Washington Times
“His approach is that of a true conservative, offering a perspective rooted in American tradition initiated by Washington.”
—Kirkus Reviews
on October 6th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
on October 7th, 2011 at 12:34 am
Bill Atkerson wrote, “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”
Obviously it wasn’t always that way…but it has become that way to some degree, hasn’t it?
LiberalEliteMySweet wrote,
“Or watching FAUX NEWS.”
Really? Is that what you think? That everyone who doesn’t see things through the SPLC-frame watches Fox News?
That you would assert that is revealing about you. Not me.
“In this arena guilt by association is unavoidable”
No. It is guilt by non-association. There is no association. There is a reference. There is no association. See below for more on that.
Lou Stouch, I don’t agree with a lot that Buchanan writes, but I enjoy is challenge to my own views, and don’t understand why people need to look for excuses to shut him down.
To everyone here, I would note that there are people who can read something that has a reference we may not like and still process the essay and rebut it without focusing on 6 degrees of non-association. Or even one.
When an organization like the SPLC focuses so much on minimal connections or even no connections at all, this reveals a preference for dirty tricks. When someone uses dirty tricks and guilt by non-association instead of a rational policy discussion, it is important to ask why they feel that is necessary to win.
Ruslan Amirkhanov will counter as he did above that the SPLC wasn’t claiming there is a connection, but as we see from readers on this thread, that isn’t how they took it. Why don’t you admit that was your intention all along, Rusian? Why the facile denials? You brought the reference because you wanted to insinuate a connection, which your readers made, just like you wanted.
on October 7th, 2011 at 4:21 am
Oh Bill, silly little WN, let’s make minced-meat of your poor claims.
“Everybody says there is this RACE problem. ”
WHO?
“Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.”
WHO IS SAYING THIS? Do you realize that there are white countries with “Third World conditions”? Do you realize that many first world “white countries”(they don’t see themselves as “white”) don’t appreciate Eastern Europeans immigrating in large numbers either?
“The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.”
Actually Japan has a serious demographics problem and it also has had increasing immigration from nearby countries. The fact that South Korea has become so successful may probably reduce immigration from there, but the fact is Japan really has no choice but to rely on foreign immigrants in the future and they most likely will.
What you fail to realize is that wherever there are two countries next to one another and one of them has better conditions, more opportunities for jobs, etc., there will be immigration. Period. India deals with immigration, as does Malaysia, Thailand, Japan, China, Korea, South Africa, UAE, and so on.
“Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”
WHO IS SAYING THIS? I WANT NAMES!!! “EVERYBODY” IS NOT A NAME!!
Whew…let me add something to that request. If you actually paid attention to those who advocate immigration to solve labor shortages(regardless of the merits of their arguments), nowhere do they suggest that the immigrants need to be “non-white”, come from the “third world”, much less that they need to inter-marry with the host population.
By all means, show some proof to the contrary.
“What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?”
Again, WHO is saying the opposite, who is saying this at all? You just assume that “everyone” is saying this but you won’t find a single person suggesting it.
“But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”
Uh OH!!! He used the G-WORD!! Ok, let’s play the WHITE GENOCIDE GAME!! Here’s how it works, I list a series of things that typically occur in a genocide(by the UN definition). You check all those which are happening to “white people”. READY? GO!!!
-Are White people in your country being killed en masse by either the state or paramilitary squads?
-Are White people forced by the state to relocate to ghettos or similarly segregated areas?
-Are White people denied political rights on the basis of being white?
-Are White people being rounded up into concentration camps?
-Are White people being FORCED to marry non-white people?
-Are White people not allowed to speak their language in public?
So…how many checks did you make?
“Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”
In your delusional mind? Yes, probably so. But consider this: You’ve come on here whining about how “everybody” is saying that all “white nations” must take on all Third World immigrants and intermarry with them, when in fact NOBODY is saying this. So either you have a very tenuous grip on objective reality, or maybe you ought to try reading something OTHER than Stormfront and David Duke.
Seriously, how WRONG about what is happening can a person possibly be? Your claims here are equivalent to me ranting about how “EVERYBODY SAYS THAT DRINKING ANTI-FREEZE IS HEALTHY, WELL IT’S NOT, DAMMIT!!!”
Do you get this concept?
on October 7th, 2011 at 7:45 am
6 Degrees, you are priceless.
LiberalEliteMySweet wrote,
“No. It is guilt by non-association. There is no association. There is a reference. There is no association. See below for more on that.”
Seems to me like the SPLC was saying just that. The man cited William Pierce. It is not the first time the two have coincided on some issues. In fact Buchanan was probably more of an inspiration to Pierce than vice versa.
“When an organization like the SPLC focuses so much on minimal connections or even no connections at all, this reveals a preference for dirty tricks. When someone uses dirty tricks and guilt by non-association instead of a rational policy discussion, it is important to ask why they feel that is necessary to win.”
Yeah but they didn’t say that Buchanan was associated with William Pierce, or that there was some kind of meaningful connection, beyond the fact that Pat cited an ADV broadcast.
“Ruslan Amirkhanov will counter as he did above that the SPLC wasn’t claiming there is a connection, but as we see from readers on this thread, that isn’t how they took it. Why don’t you admit that was your intention all along, Rusian? Why the facile denials? You brought the reference because you wanted to insinuate a connection, which your readers made, just like you wanted.”
My denials? You were the one who so refused to even admit that a citation was there(implying that you DO see this as a significant connection), to the point that I had to download the damned book just to show you which chapter and citation it was. So don’t try to turn this one around on me.
Bottom line: If you don’t think a citation is a meaningful connection, don’t deny its existence unless you can confidently say it’s not there(for example, if you had the book and checked).
Also I am well aware of how people make incorrect conclusions about things- I am skilled in the art of psychic cold-reading, which largely predicated on the fact that people will remember something totally different from what actually happened. So “I’m getting some significance from late August,” gets reported as “HE TOLD ME BY BIRTHDAY!” But the problem is this- why leave the detail out? If you complain about that, why not leave out every detail about his book? And then Pat ends up looking like an ordinary conservative pundit who’s no more racist than most of them(who I believe just do it for the money).
on October 7th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Pat Buchanan is hardly a white supremacist, in my opinion. He’s a talented journalist and commentator who brings awareness to issues that most persons are afraid to talk about for fear of retribution…much like the same fears SPLC is subjected to for its awareness programs on behalf of victims of racial, and other, injustices.
The big surprise to me is that MSNBC would be so fair and balanced in its reporting agenda that it would provide an alternative to the usual mudslinging of Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman (Olberman is now with Current TV).
Gee, now I may have to recant my earlier claims that MSNBC is just another unreliable, so-called-left-wing propaganda mill for an audience of lazy, uncreative, and uninspiring mean people.
On second thought, however, MSNBC hasn’t had me as a guest on its network since I publicly chastised and villified Keith Olberman back in early 2008 for being the “dirty” journalist that he is. Recant my criticisms? Probably not.
Jim Gilchrist, President, The Minuteman Project
on October 7th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
” You were the one who so refused to even admit that a citation was there”
No, no no. That wasn’t my issue. I wasn’t doubting there was a footnote. I was suspicious that you people were being sleazy, not of fabricating a footnote. My issue was the CONTEXT, which was never provided, but at least now I understand why you declared victory when you didn’t understand my question. That’s what I meant by “I need to see that inside.” That’s how Talmudic types like myself say they need to see the context.
So since you have it handy, can we see the context?
on October 7th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
“feature a radical right-wing voice who isn’t a racist crackpot”
Josh, that’s an oxymoron and cannot exist as one complete entity.
Pat Buchanan is a racist hack with plenty of followers as exemplified here and also, the Washington Post, the Washington Times and such exalting praise on Buchanan?
Please, you are making me laugh at what is really a tragic presence of hate in our American culture and thought.
on October 7th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Here are your words, 6
“I need to see that inside. Please provide the actual reference, because frankly, you folks like to smear, and I don’t trust you to be fair, and neither should anyone else.”
When pressed you went to: “1) It doesn’t work like that. If you bring a reference, BRING THE REFERENCE! Maybe you didn’t go to an institution of higher education, but that is how it works.
2) You either don’t understand who William Pierce is, or you are attempting to show how I am correct by noting how wrong it is to compare people to that genocidal maniac.”
You said “bring it” and it was brought. I also pointed out that nobody compared Buchanan to William Pierce. It was very clear- Buchanan cited an ADV broadcast. Few political pundits, including on the right, do that.
on October 8th, 2011 at 1:21 am
The 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide Article II, Section C defines genocide as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Mass immigration and forced assimilation is genocide as defined by section (c).
on October 8th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
“Mass immigration and forced assimilation is genocide as defined by section (c).”
No Larry, it isn’t. First of all, nobody is deliberately inflicting mass immigration on “white” nations(or any other nations which have large scale immigration for that matter). Why don’t you actually take the time to figure out what is required to immigrate to the EU, for example. They don’t hop a plane to Africa, drive to some village, and start handing out plane tickets and work visas.
Nobody is forcing Europeans to assimilate into another culture either.
Also note the line “calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” “Calculation” means it is intentional, that is someone actually WANTS to wipe out some people, and implements measures to that end. Immigration is a passive thing(like I said they don’t go out and catch people or fly them in en masse), and it is based on the demands of the labor market and the need of these nations to replace older workers.
on October 9th, 2011 at 5:38 am
Are you saying that no one controls immigration policy? “Immigration is a passive thing” is only said in White countries, so that the reality of genocide might be dismissed. You say it because you are anti-white and promote genocide.
As for assimilation, anti-whites say all things white must become “diverse” or it is “racism”.
They say there should be no white countries, no white communities, no white schools, no white political parties, no white social gatherings etc, etc.
The anti-whites give us whites two choices: Accept white genocide or you are a “racist”.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
on October 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am
“Are you saying that no one controls immigration policy? ”
There is no reason to claim that allowing immigration will destroy or wipe out a people, in part or in whole. As I said, I’m guessing you probably haven’t even looked at the process for immigration to most European nations. You also don’t seem to care about massive immigration coming from Europe, yet Western Europeans sure do.
““Immigration is a passive thing” is only said in White countries, so that the reality of genocide might be dismissed. You say it because you are anti-white and promote genocide.”
I’m sorry but you are a complete moron who can’t comprehend basic English, though it is your native English. All industrial countries of the world, including “non-white” ones, have immigration issues. Some have liberal policies, some have very strict ones. The US in fact has some of the strictest immigration laws for an industrialized nation. That’s why there’s so much illegal immigration.
Allowing immigration does not promote genocide.
“As for assimilation, anti-whites say all things white must become “diverse” or it is “racism”.”
Really? NAMES PLEASE!!! If you actually paid real attention to European immigration issues, you would find that immigrants are often expected to assimilate, and many have. Some have tried, only to be rejected by the host population in spite of this.
In any case cultural assimilation doesn’t mean they’re forcing people to marry or taking kids and giving them to others.
“They say there should be no white countries, no white communities, no white schools, no white political parties, no white social gatherings etc, etc.”
WHO is saying this? I want a name for “they”. Second, there has never been such a thing as a “white country” in the history of mankind, so that doesn’t surprise me. White schools? They don’t promote black or Asian schools either. White political parties? Looks to me like you have the Republicans and the Democrats, because a cursory look at white family earnings in the US, white property ownership, and white health statistics shows that white folks have it pretty good in the US at least. No white social gatherings? Yeah, probably not, but they sure have plenty of Irish, Scottish, Polish, German, etc. social gatherings!
“The anti-whites give us whites two choices: Accept white genocide or you are a “racist”.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”
Again, based on the definition you provided, there is no genocide being committed against “whites”, and most of the people you are talking about when you say “white” countries certainly don’t consider themselves “white”. You are trying to project American culture onto Europeans.
on October 10th, 2011 at 3:32 am
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/.....classifier
Take a look at how many immigrants Obama deported and talk to me about how they are “importing” immigrants into “white countries” and how this is “genocide”.
on October 10th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Russian Amirkhanov seems to be implying that targeting white people globally for demographic destruction via mass immigration,”assimilation”,forced integration,and also the demonization and state oppression of group-advocacy for whites is not genocide.
“Genocide involves? the attempt to achieve the disappearance of a group by whatever means. It does not have to be violent, it could be a combination of policies that would lead to? a certain? group dying out.”
Malcolm Fraser (Prime Minister of Australia 1975-1983)
Genocide is genocide,whether accomplished by bullets,mustard gas,or mass immigration and social engineering.
Let`s see if Russian Amirkhanov is consistent in his views by asking him the following question:
Would the intentional flooding of all black countries and ONLY black countries with 100`s of millions of non-blacks and demanding the blacks “assimilate” themselves out of existence in the name of “anti-racism” be acts of genocide yes/no?
on October 10th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
“There is no reason to claim that allowing immigration will destroy or wipe out a people, in part or in whole”
Surely Ruslan Amirkhanov cannot be unaware that one-way immigration causes the complete genetic extinction of a target population,and therefore the destruction of any racial group in that territory?
This is an established theorem in population genetics that can be traced back to? the 1931 paper by S.Wright titled “Evolution in Mendelian populations”.
Imagine going into your local pet shop and introducing some foreign breed hamsters into all the hamster cages.You think you could claim you are not trying to eliminate the pet-shop hamster breed with your forced imports?
Similarly,the so-called “anti-racists” are advocating force-blending all white people with 100`s millions of non-white immigrants in all white countries,all white communities.
It`s genocide.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
on October 11th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
This Dannyboy character is funny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
That’s all I have to say. Immigration is not genocide.
As for your question to Ruslan, I’ll answer it. There are Arabs and whites living in African countries. There are Chinese descendants living in Jamaica. There are Indian descendants living in Trinidad & Tobago. There white folks, mostly Spanish descendants, living in Cuba. I don’t see black folks in those countries being phased out nor are non-blacks in those countries being phased out. Do you want more, stupid?
on October 12th, 2011 at 2:34 am
Danny, you were saved from humiliation by a rather ill-timed internet problem at my office. But it has only bought you a little breathing room. Alright let me cut the theatrics and say something you’ve probably heard dozens of times since you signed up on Stormfront and started spouting off canned arguments all over the internet.
You’re ignorant.
Oh yes, I know you’ve heard it before and it probably has lost all meaning, but no, you REALLY are ignorant, as in you have no idea how immigration works, and what is FAR worse, you don’t even bother to find out.
See, because of YOU, I had to use this thing called Google, and I typed in “Immigration to Korea”, “to Japan,” to “India”, to “Africa”. I even went to some official government sites as well. I learned some very interesting facts. For example:
Korea grants citizenship and residency to those who are married to Korean citizens. Also the number of years for citizenship via naturalization is LESS THAN THE US(in ROK it’s 5 years). By contrast Russia, which you probably incorrectly believe is a “white” country, it is not possible to obtain citizenship or even legal residency via marriage. Many foreign brides in Korea are from Russia.
Japan is also far more liberal than many people think. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2221.html
India gets immigrants from countries like Bangladesh and Nepal.
African countries take on waves of immigrants all the time, usually due to wars of famines.
At this point you’re probably saying: But THOSE are just African countries taking African immigrants, “Asian to Asian”, etc. But this only proves how ignorant you are. The rest of the world doesn’t divide itself up into “African” and “Asian” the way you, as an American do. And as I have said for the HUNDREDTH TIME: Since 1989 there has been massive waves of EASTERN EUROPEAN immigration into Western Europe, often causing the same kind of anger and xenophobia seen earlier with non-European immigration.
Take Poland for example, which saw more than 2 million people leave right after it gained membership in the EU. Most went to Britain, where they were rejected by many nationalists and accused of “stealing jobs”(sound familiar?) Polish workers used to go to Germany until that country cut them off by limiting immigration from Poland. Poles also worked(and possibly still do) as migrant laborers in the Netherlands, among other European countries.
Now an ignorant person such as yourself would probably tell those European nationalists that this is alright, because Poles and other Eastern Europeans are “white”. This might fly for a while, but eventually you will find yourself beaten to a pulp for suggesting equivalency of European cultures to hardcore nationalists.
So PLEASE, PLEEEEASE, ACTUALLY READ UP ON IMMIGRATION LAWS BEFORE SAYING STUPID THINGS. The US has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world. While you can go to most countries, get a stamp, and have a 90-day tourist visa instantly, many foreigners, even from “first world” countries have to go through all kinds of hoops just for a TOURIST visa to the US. Immigration visas? Forget about it, it’s a pain in the ass. Here is the process laid out in a diagram: http://reason.com/assets/db/07.....2ef5ad.jpg
Many Americans and Europeans live abroad in countries like China, Thailand, Cambodia, and even African countries as “expats”, often working illegally on their tourist visas.
Bottom line, you simply don’t know how immigration works.
Now to handle some of your idiotic arguments directly.
“Surely Ruslan Amirkhanov cannot be unaware that one-way immigration causes the complete genetic extinction of a target population,and therefore the destruction of any racial group in that territory?”
No, I am not aware. Could you please provide a modern case study showing this?
Also note the nature of European “immigration” to the Americas- despite involving flat out genocide and military conquest, as well as destructive disease epidemics, Native Americans are still here, in large numbers. If THAT doesn’t wipe out a “race”, dishwashers from Mexico probably aren’t going to do it.
“This is an established theorem in population genetics that can be traced back to? the 1931 paper by S.Wright titled “Evolution in Mendelian populations”.”
Nothing says cutting edge knowledge like a paper from 1931!
“Imagine going into your local pet shop and introducing some foreign breed hamsters into all the hamster cages.You think you could claim you are not trying to eliminate the pet-shop hamster breed with your forced imports?”
REALLY BAD ANALOGY ALERT!!! REALLY BAD ANALOGY ALERT!!! ACTIVATE EMERGENCY LOGIC SYSTEM IMMEDIATELY!!
Here is the list of problems with your analogy:
1. Someone is PUTTING the foreign “breed” of hamster into a small enclosed space. Aside from the occasional refugee resettlement, nobody is “importing” immigrants as you claim. To make this accurate we’d have to say that a certain number of “foreign” hamsters are admitted from time to time via some kind of process. Many hamsters are rejected.
2. Since you consider “whites” to be a breed(which is ridiculous because animal breeds are created via selective breeding directed by humans), to be an accurate analogy we would have say that a large percentage of the hamsters are the same “breed”, representing the flood of immigrants from Eastern Europe. One reason why the EU and US are still hesitant to open up visa-free travel with Russia is because they expect a flood of immigrants.
3. Hamsters, like most animals, breed according to instinct. You are not compelled by any force to marry someone you believe is not “white.” The only thing keeping you from a white mate is you.
4. Hamsters do not have an economy, so they don’t have to deal with problems like an aging workforce or social safety nets which must be paid for.
“Similarly,the so-called “anti-racists” are advocating force-blending all white people with 100`s millions of non-white immigrants in all white countries,all white communities.”
Again, WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!? WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES? Who is saying “white countries must take on loads of immigrants from non-white countries”?
If you ever bothered to look at most arguments in favor of immigration, that is the serious arguments which actually influence politicians and therefore policy, you will see that they come from economists. Industrialized countries have high standards of living due not only to their industrialization but also their social safety nets, which is why poverty in the US, as bad as it is, doesn’t mean death as it might in many other countries. Due to the high standard of living, many people defer child-bearing, reduce child-bearing, and some don’t have children at all. A successful economy, much less a social safety net(like social security), requires young workers to replenish the old. This is usually the issue economists are dealing with.
This is important because those who advocate looser immigration policies DON’T CARE where the immigrants come from. It has nothing to do with the immigrant’s “race” or “culture” but rather can they participate and support the economy, paying taxes into the system? Some people believe that these advocates want to drive wages down, but what drives wages down is illegal immigrants(which is what you get with strict immigration policies) who are not able to organize or get paid the minimum wage. Introduce easier work visas + minimum wage and the right to organize and there goes your wage problem.
Now if you have a suggestion on how say, Sweden or Norway can solve their demographic problem without immigration, I’m all ears. And again, keep in mind that advocates of liberal immigration policies don’t specify where the immigrant should come from. Those who support the immigration policies of Sweden, for example, are fine with immigrants be they from Africa or Russia, the Ukraine, or Baltic states.
So no, it’s not genocide.
on October 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Hey Ruslan,my fellow white citizens don`t want essays,they want answers to simple question such as:
Why are the so-called “anti-racists” imposing mass immigration and “assimilation” ONLY on white countries which everyone agrees will result in fewer and fewer whites in existence?
Why are the so-called “anti-racists” claiming deliberate demographic alteration policies making whites minorities in their own countries are not acts of genocide as per the 1948 genocide convention:
Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
?
Why do so-called “anti-racists” refuse to accept that Genocide is genocide,whether accomplished by bullets,mustard gas,or mass immigration and social engineering,ONLY when whites are the victims?
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
on October 13th, 2011 at 7:36 am
“hey Ruslan,my fellow white citizens don`t want essays,they want answers to simple question such as:”
I see, so you ask questions and don’t want answers. And who are your “fellow white citizens”, exactly?
“Why are the so-called “anti-racists” imposing mass immigration and “assimilation” ONLY on white countries which everyone agrees will result in fewer and fewer whites in existence?”
Oh do I get to ask questions or just you? I want to know who are these anti-racists who are “imposing mass immigration” on “only white countries?” I’ve answered this idiotic claim in detail, but apparently too many facts make your brain hurt.
Also I’d like to see this evidence of “forced assimilation.” In Europe immigrants are forced to assimilate into their new societies, and that isn’t exactly an unfair demand either.
“Why are the so-called “anti-racists” claiming deliberate demographic alteration policies making whites minorities in their own countries are not acts of genocide as per the 1948 genocide convention:”
First of all part of the demographic changes are due to lower fertility among the “white” population, a natural result of industrialization. Even by 1900 white middle class women had reduced their fertility by 50%(See The Way we Never Were by Stephanie Coontz). Who MADE them do that? Evidence shows that immigrants also have lower fertility within a generation or so, and industrialization has already started to lower the fertility of many developing countries.
Not that you’ll bother looking any of that information up.
“Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
You have provided zero evidence to show that “only white nations” are being targetted for mass immigration. You have also refused to speak on the subject of mass immigration from Eastern Europe.
I have answered your questions, you refuse to answer mine. Like I said, you are willfully ignorant and your simple-minded worldview and persecution complex can’t handle concepts such as sociology or economics.
Any time you want to answer MY questions, or find the answers to yours, just scroll up to my last post before this one.
on October 13th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Dannyboy, are you saying it’s too hard to read Ruslan’s answer, which I think is well researched and intelligent, because it has too many paragraphs? I guess that shows how smart you are. Either that or you don’t want to accept it, which shows ignorance on your part.
on October 13th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Ruslan,
Great job on the point-by-point responses. Too bad people like 6 degrees, Larry and dannyboy are incapable of appreciating how thoroughly they’ve been schooled, and just keep coming back with the same fact-free sloganeering. Speaking of which, I wasn’t aware until now that the white supremacists had moved to “genocide” from mere “persecution” as their complaint. More inflammatory, I guess, but also even harder to back up with evidence.
on October 13th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Bottom line: These WN morons have no idea how immigration works, why it happens, who is doing it, how many immigrants there actually are, or how it happens. How many times have you seen several different WNs, in just this thread, claim that “anti-racists”(WHO?) are “targeting” only white nations for “mass immigration”? When you point out that modern immigration policies have nothing to do with “race”(neither did older ones, which drastically limited lots of European immigration to the US, for example), that they aren’t dictated by “anti-racists” but rather advocated by economists, and that immigration issues exist pretty much all over the world, it’s as if someone opened up their head and kicked the hamster off its wheel.
on October 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
“Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-white” is just a code phrase for “I’m a complete moron.”
on October 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
How about I offer a non-politically sensitive example to expose the white genocide pushers here hiding behind “anti-racism”:
If there was a small inhabited island and we flooded it with “new islanders” of a different ethnicity and told the “old islanders” they? had to accept these people as new members of their new island family would that be:
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent? births within the group;
?
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
on October 23rd, 2011 at 10:06 am
I forgot to add that the “old islanders” are also prohibited from defending their “old islander” group interests including their very existence as an ethnic group in the name of “anti-racism”.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
on October 24th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Dannyboy, you should quit while you’re ahead. Ruslan obviously lambasted you and you want to come back for more. All your examples are moot because you have no real, definitive proof that someone is actively killing white folks or calling for the killing. None whatsoever. You clearly don’t know how immigration works. Tell me, would your scenario apply to the “new islanders” if they looked exactly like the “old islanders”? Because Italians and the Irish were treated like shit by white Americans when they emigrated to the U.S. in the late 1800s and early 1900s, even though these groups looked the same sort of. Again, your whole point makes no sense for the reasons I gave. And as Ruslan said, “Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-white” is just a code phrase for “I’m a complete moron.”