Also, Lonewolf, there is a difference between killing the enemy in a military conflict and killing civilians for political reason. One is combat, the other is murder.

The Skins morphed out of the Mod movement of the 60’s in the UK, of which we have had numerous revivals over the past decades. The Mods, did, and still do listen almost exclusively to Music with is roots in Rnb, Blues, Soul, Ska, Bluebeat, Rocksteady and Reggae. Essentially Music Of Black Origins.
The Skins loved Jamaican music, some soul and rock. Like their older brothers the Mods, Skins were racially tolerant in the beginning, but did have a bit of a reputation for being violent towards people who stared at them, as in ” ‘Oo you screwing?” (Who are you looking at, and for what reason, Sirrah?”). They didn’t like Hippies very much either as they thought they were unwashed. Their Style was drawn from white working class roots. Work boots, Shortened 501 Levis, Ben Sherman shirts or Fred Perry shirts, thin clip-on braces, topped of by those who could afford it a Crombie overcoat or cheap copy, in the evenings 3 button tonic suits, with loafers or Loakes. They also followed Football (Soccer) fanatically, this brought them into contact with the more bone headed Racist football hooligans. Remember this is the late 60’s early seventies.
Now fast forward to the late 70’s a new generation has come up, the Oi bands, vigorously pushed by A journo a Sounds called Gary Bushell,
( http://www.garry-bushell.co.uk/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Bushell )
He also as I remember started pushing the more right wing Bands, Like Skrewdriver.
Mind you the funniest thing I saw at this time, was, getting off the Tube at Swiss Cottage in London. It was at the front of the train and the only other person getting of the train was the biggest, blackist skinhead I’d seen in my life until then. On the back of his levi jacket read, NF Rools. To this day I don’t know if he was being ironic or serious.
Any Hoo I digress. In response to the Nationalist path that most mainstream skins seemed to take one band stepped forward, The Redskins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ature=fvsr
Great band live and on record.
So I guess what I’m trying to say is don’t class all Skins together, they are not all racist, homophobic (there is a large gay skin subculture), bonehead idiots.
But as many people on here have said, if killing people is morally wrong, then the state killing people is also morally wrong.
Stay Free,
We are legion!

We agree on the original skinheads. I as , you probably do, support anti-racist skinheads. I have found a lot of info, some fact, some opinion, and some from the SPLC, that has convinced me it’s a good thing when Nazi boneheads get the crap beaten out of them- the more often the better, and the further it goes the better. But I have decided that killing them is wrong. First, I’m generally anti-death penalty. Second, some/many/all? of those who change and leave that movement, bring others with them out of it. In a Nat’l Geographic documentary about them, a former Nazi says that after he left he successfully got a lot of the people he had recruited to follow him.

Tom

(By the way, I know the original Skins weren’t angels either, with the Gay-bashing and Immigrant-bashing).

As for the death penalty…I don’t think the current methods are a deterrent at all. I think burning at the stake is a more fitting punishment. Burn a few of these nazis, and you’re gonna see people giving up this white nationalist shit once and for all, hopefully.

So much for Exodus 20:13, Pastor Clary.

But revenge serves no one and heals nothing, it just perpetuates the crime of murder.

I agree also with walkaway who pointed out how the conservative rhetoric has contributed to the further marginalization and dehumanization of anyone that does not fit their “values” narrative of being middle class, christian, male and anglo.

BTW — where I am from now spider web tattoos on the elbows are a marker of having spent time in the state pen. I’ve seen former inmates identify each other on the street with their tattoos.

In addition, spider web tattoos are always popular with the biker crowd, another group of socially marginalized people who do to ignorance think that violence and anti-social activity are positive.