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	<title>Comments on: Christian Reconstruction Group Cruises ‘Patriot’ Waters</title>
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		<title>By: Ed Heffernan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-437021</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Heffernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently stumbled onto American Vision News website.  Have their commenters  always called openly for the President&#039;s assassination, or is that just the Apr 16 birther thread?  The Secret Service needs a look at that site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently stumbled onto American Vision News website.  Have their commenters  always called openly for the President&#8217;s assassination, or is that just the Apr 16 birther thread?  The Secret Service needs a look at that site.</p>
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		<title>By: michele</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-362500</link>
		<dc:creator>michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If life doesn&#039;t begin at conception where does it begin, please state your resources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If life doesn&#8217;t begin at conception where does it begin, please state your resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-340801</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary Kreep? You can&#039;t make it up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Kreep? You can&#8217;t make it up!</p>
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		<title>By: CIA Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-339210</link>
		<dc:creator>CIA Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[responding to what the first comment said

facts have a liberal bias]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>responding to what the first comment said</p>
<p>facts have a liberal bias</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-338854</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, &quot;life&quot; technically begins in the sperm and egg cells, if you want to play that game.  Furthermore, the vast majority of pregnancies end in miscarriages where the woman never knows she was pregnant; this is because often times the fertilized egg does not implant in the uterus.  So if you believe that life begins at conception, your god is the ultimate abortion doctor.  


PS- There is nothing in the Bible prohibiting abortion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, &#8220;life&#8221; technically begins in the sperm and egg cells, if you want to play that game.  Furthermore, the vast majority of pregnancies end in miscarriages where the woman never knows she was pregnant; this is because often times the fertilized egg does not implant in the uterus.  So if you believe that life begins at conception, your god is the ultimate abortion doctor.  </p>
<p>PS- There is nothing in the Bible prohibiting abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: jonas</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-338690</link>
		<dc:creator>jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A foetus feeds off of its host (mother) through its physical connection to her and cannot survive on its own as a human being. A baby can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A foetus feeds off of its host (mother) through its physical connection to her and cannot survive on its own as a human being. A baby can.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-338662</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

The claim that life begins at conception is hardly a &#039;fact.&#039; It is an opinion-based claim: nothing more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>The claim that life begins at conception is hardly a &#8216;fact.&#8217; It is an opinion-based claim: nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-338657</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see the link between the statement that someone wants to establish a theocratic government and establishing  old testament prohibitions with the anti-abortion movement.  The anti abortion movement in its truest form is based on the fact that life begins at conception and that to intentionally kill that life is wrong.  To automatically draw a link anti-abortion with the fringe you are discussing here is unfair and will cause your organization to lose support of people like myself who are pro-life but also are anti-hate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the link between the statement that someone wants to establish a theocratic government and establishing  old testament prohibitions with the anti-abortion movement.  The anti abortion movement in its truest form is based on the fact that life begins at conception and that to intentionally kill that life is wrong.  To automatically draw a link anti-abortion with the fringe you are discussing here is unfair and will cause your organization to lose support of people like myself who are pro-life but also are anti-hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Rand</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/christian-reconstruction-group-cruises-patriot-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-338499</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...Vision2America, which is working to &#039;restore America to a Christian republic.&#039;&quot;

The US &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never was&lt;/a&gt; a Christian theocracy. From Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli (1796):

&quot;...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...&quot;

Additionally, it is impossible to claim that this is somehow a recent change in the &quot;values&quot; upon which the country is founded (whatever they are), which Christian conservatives often do (usually citing the &#039;60s or another period in the 20th century), because the treaty was signed in 1796. That is only 20 years after the American Declaration of Independence, and only 9 years after the signing of the US Constitution.

The mention of Bill Federer having appeared on Alex Jones&#039; show is a non sequitur and could possibly be confusing to people who have never listened to his show. Identifying Jones as a conspiracy-monger, while true, could give the impression that he chooses his guests based on whether they agree with his views. Occasionally, his guests are scientists, degreed professionals, and experts in their respective academic fields. Helen Caldicott, for example, has appeared on the Alex Jones show to discuss the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear disaster and subsequent attempts at covering it up. Frequently, guests on Alex Jones show are very articulate as well, so an appearance on his show does not really speak to the guest&#039;s character, level of paranoia, or political views.

However, the rest of the &quot;On-Board&quot; leaders seem like reactionary, racist, and/or Christian fundamentalist individuals. They are influencing US politicians with their vitriol, intolerance and hatred. I for one am tired of their bigoted claptrap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Vision2America, which is working to &#8216;restore America to a Christian republic.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>The US <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html" rel="nofollow">never was</a> a Christian theocracy. From Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli (1796):</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Additionally, it is impossible to claim that this is somehow a recent change in the &#8220;values&#8221; upon which the country is founded (whatever they are), which Christian conservatives often do (usually citing the &#8217;60s or another period in the 20th century), because the treaty was signed in 1796. That is only 20 years after the American Declaration of Independence, and only 9 years after the signing of the US Constitution.</p>
<p>The mention of Bill Federer having appeared on Alex Jones&#8217; show is a non sequitur and could possibly be confusing to people who have never listened to his show. Identifying Jones as a conspiracy-monger, while true, could give the impression that he chooses his guests based on whether they agree with his views. Occasionally, his guests are scientists, degreed professionals, and experts in their respective academic fields. Helen Caldicott, for example, has appeared on the Alex Jones show to discuss the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear disaster and subsequent attempts at covering it up. Frequently, guests on Alex Jones show are very articulate as well, so an appearance on his show does not really speak to the guest&#8217;s character, level of paranoia, or political views.</p>
<p>However, the rest of the &#8220;On-Board&#8221; leaders seem like reactionary, racist, and/or Christian fundamentalist individuals. They are influencing US politicians with their vitriol, intolerance and hatred. I for one am tired of their bigoted claptrap.</p>
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