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MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan Reacts Furiously to Calls for Firing
Pat Buchanan and his extremist allies are up in arms over liberal media watchdog groups’ recently launched campaign to get him fired from his news analyst position at MSNBC.
Following Buchanan’s Saturday appearance on James Edwards’ racist radio program “Political Cesspool,” to promote his new book, Suicide of a Superpower, Color of Change and Media Matters for America initiated a call for MSNBC to terminate Buchanan’s position. (Full disclosure: Color of Change was co-founded by James Rucker, a member of the board at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which publishes this blog.)
Said Color of Change in a letter that doubled as a petition: “For years, Pat Buchanan has passed off white supremacist ideology as legitimate mainstream political commentary. And MSNBC continues to pay him and give him a platform on national TV to do it. Buchanan has just published a book which says that increasing racial diversity is a threat to this country and will mean the ‘End of White America.’ This weekend, to promote his book, he went on a white supremacist radio show whose host has said things like ‘MLK’s dream is our nightmare,’ and ‘interracial sex is white genocide.’ Buchanan has the right to express his views, but he’s not entitled to a platform that lets him broadcast bigotry and hate to millions. If MSNBC wants to be seen as a trusted, mainstream source of news and commentary, it needs to fire Buchanan now.”
Media Matters said much the same: “For too long, your network has ignored Buchanan’s bigotry. But, enough is enough. MSNBC has the power to send a message — that it will not tolerate bigotry by its employees, on its airwaves or off.”
That letter, which also doubles as a petition, closed by suggesting MSNBC executives review documentation (here and here) detailing Buchanan’s history of bigoted comments, and asking that they “Please … take the necessary steps to ensure that MSNBC stops supporting Buchanan’s bigotry.”
Some on the extreme right are incensed by the watchdogs’ campaign.
Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation (one of the Tea Party movement’s most extreme factions) – has leaped to Buchanan’s defense. In a blog post yesterday, Phillips – who claims not to be a Buchanan fan – wrote: “The racist in this story is the group, the Color of Change. … MSNBC does have some conservative voices. Pat Buchanan is one of them. … [T]he left wing racist nuts at the Color of Change want that to end.” And the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a white supremacist hate group that has called blacks a “retrograde species of humanity,” also expressed strong support for Buchanan and Edwards.
Buchanan obviously takes the watchdog groups’ calls for his termination seriously. In an angry message posted this morning on his Suicide of a Superpower blog, he accused the two groups of “attempting to gag” him. “Using charged racist language, gross misinterpretations, out of context quotes, and sugar-coated anti-Catholic sentiments, Media Matters has written 16 vile posts in the past 12 days in an orchestrated campaign of hate and bigotry,” he wrote.
Yes, you read that right. According to Buchanan (or whoever writes for him at Suicide of a Superpower’s official blog), he is victim. He said as much yesterday during an interview with NPR’s Diane Rehm (listen here), who noted that the Anti-Defamation League has described Political Cesspool as anti-Semitic and white supremacist, and asked if he regretted his Saturday appearance on the show.
Buchanan went on the attack.
“I think there’s an awful lot of smearing being done by the Anti-Defamation League [ADL], frankly, over the years of individuals who simply disagree maybe with U.S. policy towards Israel, and a lot of name calling,” he said. “Am I supposed to vet all the people on these shows and get the list from [ADL National Director] Abe Foxman on what shows I can go on to?”
No, Buchanan doesn’t need Foxman’s help to understand Edwards’ sympathies — after all, he’s appeared on “Political Cesspool” twice before, and has been called on it each time. Edwards also worked for Buchanan’s 2000 presidential campaign.
Moreover, the ADL is hardly the only group to have called out Edwards for bigotry. The radio host’s history of anti-Semitism and white supremacism has been well documented by plenty of organizations, including the Southern Poverty Law Center.
In fact, it’s amply documented by Edwards himself. Buchanan need only have glanced at “Political Cesspool’s” website to see the young white supremacist’s boast that in a single 30-day span, he had hosted such extreme-right luminaries as:
- Kevin MacDonald, an anti-Semitic and racist California State University professor who says Jews are genetically impelled to undermine the majority populations of the societies they live in;
- Mark Weber, head of the Institute for Historical Review, an outfit devoted entirely to Holocaust denial that is also a sponsor of “Political Cesspool.”
- Ex-Klansman David Duke, a repeat “Cesspool” guest who once fantasized about having Buchanan as his running mate for U.S. president.
- Virginia Abernethy, a former professor at Vanderbilt Medical School and self-described “white separatist.” Abernethy is on the board of the American Third Position, a hate group whose founder has sought the deportation of every American with an “ascertainable trace of Negro blood.”
- Jerome Corsi, chief propagandist of “birtherism” and the anti-Kerry “Swift Boat “ campaign.
- Anti-immigrant essayist Frosty Wooldridge, who says, among other things, that Muslims, blacks, and immigrants destroyed Detroit
- Peter Brimelow, founder of the white nationalist website VDARE, which is a gathering place for racists, anti-Semites, and nativists to exchange ideas and foment hatred and resentment of non-whites.
Buchanan told Rehm he’d “heard things” about “Political Cesspool,” but defended his appearance by saying he’d done his due diligence by listening to audio clips of the show in advance. Edwards, Buchanan said, “was very interested in the race issue, but … I wouldn’t be on a program if somebody started calling racial or ethnic names. Or I rather might be on it, but I’d say that’s the last time we’re going on that one,” he said.
Edwards, to be sure, does seem to make a point of keeping himself away from the lowest dregs of the extreme right. The “Cesspool” host is a rising star of the white nationalist movement because he’s articulate and equally at ease in a television studio, behind a radio microphone, or standing in front of a crowd. Edwards carefully avoids using crudely derogatory language. Though he allies himself with hate group leaders who call black people “niggers,” he doesn’t drop the N-bomb himself. Instead he speaks in the more or less polished code of a suit-and-tie racist, calling blacks “heathen savages,” “subhumans,” and “black animals,” exclusively in the context of discussing violent black-on-white crime.
None of this makes him any less racist. But Buchanan’s avoidance of crude terms doesn’t negate his extremism either. The veteran culture warrior is no mere “paleoconservative” — he is an open white nationalist who thinks minorities, immigrants, and non-Christians are undermining America. He has defended the conclusions, though not the methods, of Norwegian anti-Muslim terrorist Anders Breivik, and backs up the theses of his most recent book with material from a bevy of racist, anti-Semitic and extreme-right sources. They include H.A. Scott Trask, who has called intermarriage “racial suicide;” VDARE’s Peter Brimelow; Thomas E. Woods, a sometimes-member of the theocratic and neo-Confederate League of the South; and others like them. In his 2002 book, Buchanan cited an op-ed by the late William Pierce, founder and leader of the National Alliance, which until Pierce’s death was the most dangerous and best organized neo-Nazi organization in America. The National Alliance was explicitly genocidal in its ideology, and Pierce’s novel, The Turner Diaries, was the inspiration for Timothy McVeigh’s 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City and many other acts of terror.
In an E-mail yesterday, Hatewatch asked MSNBC for comment on Buchanan in light of the calls for his firing. A media relations spokesperson responded this morning, saying via E-mail, “We don’t have a comment at this time.”
Edwards, for his part, is thrilled by all the attention. “On Saturday night, we were rejoined on the air by Pat Buchanan for an interview that has caused the liberal media to go absolutely berserk. If you listen closely you can probably hear their howls, as we are currently under a vicious and hateful attack from the supposed advocates of ‘tolerance’ and ‘diversity,’” he crowed yesterday in an E-mail to supporters. “In fact, my cordial conversation with Pat has now become one of the top political news stories in America.”
on October 26th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
I sometimes read Patrick J. Buchanan’s columns. Though I don’t have Cable, I do download him on Youtube. Patrick J. Buchanan is an educated man esp. as it relates to history. Patrick J. Buchanan has visited China-he did so during President Nixon’s historic 1972 visit. Patrick J. Buchanan has credited the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese & Finns for their excellent scores in math. Patrick J. Buchanan has been to Europe & Africa-he is a well traveled man. Patrick J. Buchanan credits the Spaniards for abolishing Aztec, Inca & Mayan human sacrifices & Patrick J. Buchanan is Catholic.
People have critiqued Patrick J. Buchanan for being against sanctions on South Africa during apartheid. Apartheid was indeed bad as Whites discriminated against Blacks, Indians & Chinese with their separatism but Apartheid is small when compared to genocides in Rwanda (Hutus killing Tutsis), Congo (former Zaire), Angola, etc. Not to defend Apartheid, but getting killed with a machete is worse than discrimination. @least most Whites (I’m not White my parents came from India) didn’t kill Blacks & the way Whites treated Blacks in South Africa via Apartheid is the lesser of 2 evils when compared to how Africans have killed other Africans in ethnic wars. Hutus & Tutsis have been killing eachother for a long time, but the press gave minor coverage to this as Apartheid got more coverage (as it involved White vs Black) until the 1994 genocide. Yet why doesn’t the SPLC talk more about ethnic killings where African Blacks kill other African Blacks?
Patrick J. Buchanan is interesting & he must be permitted to work for MSNBC. Those who want him fired hate what he has to say. Patrick J. Buchanan has been willing to debate Reverend Al Sharpton among others & he does so w/o personal attacks. Anyhow, there are violent ethnic conflicts which impact Blacks in Africa such as in the nations described & that is worse than Patrick J. Buchanan.
on October 26th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Funinsnow,
Regarding your question about why the SPLC doesn’t cover African crime, the answer is simple: THE SPLC IS FOCUSED ON AMERICA.
Why do people never seem to understand that?
Your beloved Patrick J. Buchanan should absolutely be allowed to spew his hatefully racist vitriol. But MSNBC is hardly the correct venue for his performances.
Also, as person whose parents are Indian, you might be interested to know of Patrick J. Buchanan’s theories on why England never should have entered the Second World War. Primary among them is the loss of the Subcontinent.
Patrick J. Buchanan does not like you. He dislikes you because you are different.
on October 26th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
More of this? What a surprise. Any excuse to have the highest ranking paleo in the media silenced.
I’m Jewish, and Mr. Foxman does not speak for me. I want to live in a country where people can go on radio shows I don’t like. I don’t need to be protected from the views of a man with a long distinguished service to this country.
And who tried to protect this country from an unnecessary war. How much better we would be if we had listened to him…and how much worse we will be by silencing him.
Now run along and employ the terms “bigotry, hate” and of course, “extremism,” to avoid discussing policy. You are anti-intellectual smearers.
on October 26th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
So the race baiter and vehemently intolerant Mark Potok can comment on MSNBC but Pat Buchanan can not. Once again, the SPLC shows themselves for the true hypocritical bigots that they are.
on October 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
“…getting killed with a machine is worse than discrimination…”
The Apartheid regime in South Africa murdered people at Soweto (South West Township). To overlook that is to minimize the suffering, brutality, and repression inflicted by the Apartheid regime.
on October 26th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
6 Degrees,
So you’re saying that we (the US) should not have fought in the Second World War?
Methinks you’re not quite as Yiddishe as you claim…
on October 26th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
6 Degrees,
Also, I refuse to dignify your accusation that I am anti-intellectual. I spent five years at college, taking the very hardest coursework I could find. And my grades suffered accordingly.
I was the last History of Science major at the University of Florida. I take enormous pride in my intellectual accomplishments.
Do not debase me by calling me anti-intellectual.
That being said, I would never deny that Patrick J. Buchanan (goodness but that got annoying) is very much an intellectual. But he is also very much a bigot and a racist. As such, I hesitate to grant him credibility. You could, at a great stretch, compare him to Dr Joseph Goebbels. He was also highly intellectual. And highly bigoted.
Mind you, I am not saying Buchanan is as bad as Herr Doktor Goebbels. Not even remotely so.
But I am saying you have to consider the source of everything you read. Obviously you dislike the SPLC. Your previous comments have made that very clear.
But you never seem to reconsider your opinions, even when presented with overwhelming evidence. You never even give credence to the opposing side.
Before you start throwing out that most heinous of accusations, you need to look at yourself. And perhaps read Hostadter’s 1964 magnum opus ‘Anti-Intellectualism in American Life.’
Aron
on October 26th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
^Yeah, all you closet-racists and white nationalist/supremacist trolls love to trot out these tired far-left, liberal media, or racist anti-racist nut cards but are hardly making yourselves in any dimmer of a light the majority of thinking and decent people already put you in, and deservedly so. I swear you people are such wastes of air that the only reason you still even exist to give the rest of us unneeded headaches is by the grace of some higher powers, but enough of trying to spell out morality for you self-hating hypocrites, lets take on the wingnut trolly talking points one-by-one!:
FUNINSNOW-wow thanks so much a-hole; I must say as an someone with many distant relatives of every race, that African self-genocide is ‘much worse’ than the supposed discrimination and ‘whatever else’ European whites did on blacks and Buchanan has said ever was. Yeah, and slavery was just another part-time minimum wage job, and lynch mobs/jim crow laws were manifestations of a loving and of course, all-aryan Jesus Christ! Give me a break, only another stridently ethnocentric straight white male would conceive such fascist claptrap without a second thought of irony or contradiction, or the trolling minorities who think their doing their ‘masters’ a favor by sucking up to the ‘unpopular and far more reasonable’ conservative views…being Indian you should get first hand how these ‘reverse racist’ logic works given England’s (read: white people’s) forced colonization & imperial rape of your home land, but that certainly isn’t all bad now that you have your own good ‘ol U.S citizenship, does it?
6 DEGREES-Wow your Jewish AND EVEN YOU agree w/ Patty B. mainstreaming his perfumed neo-nazi literature and commentary by way of MSNBC. And this is what the Tea-Baggers call merely another ‘conservative voice’ further proving how clueless and toxic they always were. Reminds me of Mikey Savage telling his radio audience how he spends Yom Kippur listening to Hitler speeches to repel ‘liberal Jew self-hatred’, what a guy! Did you Pat thinks that because we have one Jewish supreme court justice Congress is suddenly Israel’s ‘amen choir’? WAKE UP and smell the budding roses; he hated the war not because of peace initiatives but because of his far-right isolationism and belief in the New World Order and elite Jewish Freemasonry (just ask his batshit crazy buds David Duke & Ron Paul for further evidence), Hell, roughly 75% of America opposed war after 9/11 in any form regardless of political orientation, but u see that didn’t stop Curious George from knocking us over the debt & foreign policy cliff anyway, now did it?
CHRIS SCHULTZ-yeah, again, the fact that your trolling here and making ad hominem attacks on the people merely pointing out FACTS and REASON in these posts (anathema for you, I’m sure) further proves how cognitively bankrupt any of you are to make a straight argument; than again, the fact you oh-so-politely wink at this hateful BS and agree w/ it on principle says EXACTLY what we ned to know and hear. I love how right-wingers trot out this 1st amendment rights card when their actually told to clarify and hold up their bigoted beliefs; YOU STILL have them sherlocks, just stop geysering it off where the rest of us have to hear and put up w/ it it, low-lifes!
on October 26th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Uh Chris, could you explain how Mr. Potok is a “race baiter”, or do you not know what that means?
Pat Buchanan’s view of history is extremely one-sided and self-serving. He has a flawed view of a unified, mono-culture Europe which has never existed. Ironically, many of his “Western” civilization heroes would have rejected him a century ago for being Catholic.
on October 26th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
if you new nothing what so ever about pat buchanan and you heard him speak for the first time you would think that he belonged to a neo nazi organization or group and that is why he should be fired from msnbc…..all his talk about the balknization of the u.s and how whites are getting the short end of the stick all he is doing is promoting and instigating the race war that he likes to predict in all his books that he writes.this fossil grew up in an era where people of color took a back seat to whites and “don’t you dare step out of line” and he would like nothing more then to keep it that way.
on October 26th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
It wouldn’t be any real loss.
MSNBC is nothing bunch of leftist kooks talking to other leftist kooks. It has less credibility than the New York Times now in Middle America.
Who is listening to “Color of Change” and the SPLC these days other than other leftist kooks?
on October 27th, 2011 at 5:30 am
Abe Foxman is a Zionist who supports the racist state of Israel, but anti-Zionists really don’t need anti-semites like Mel Gibson or Nazi sympathizers like Pat Buchanan speaking for us. Yes, Buchanan is right about Foxman wanting to shame everyone who disagrees with Israel into silence, but he is a hateful racist who didn’t see much wrong with the government that ordered Jews to be roasted alive in ovens.
on October 27th, 2011 at 9:47 am
My answers to Aron, Jonas & IThink. 1st IThink, when you can’t come up with anything, you resort to ad homenims.
Jonas, yes, Whites sometimes killed Blacks in South Africa during Apartheid. Look, I didn’t defend Apartheid & believe South Africa is a better place w/o it. But millions more Blacks have been killed by other Blacks in African genocides such as Rwanda, religious war in Nigeria between Moslems & Christians, diamond killing in Angola (Angola didn’t have peace until 2002), etc. Slavery BTW by Black Africans against other Black Africans continued long after Europeans abolished slavery in Africa into the 21st Century such as Sudan & Mauritania. Ethnic genocides in Africa have happened for a long time but during the 1970s & 80s, the press only gave minor coverage to this, while giving major coverage to Apartheid. Apartheid as Patrick J. Buchanan believes is the lesser of 2 evils when compared to other problems in Africa. But Apartheid is no longer being done & not a topic.
Aron, my answer to you will be lengthy. The British don’t need to apologise to me for colonising India & the Portuguese don’t need to apologise to me for colonizing Goa. As India has been independent since 1947 & Goa has been independent since 1961, the topic has long been a moot point & rather than complain of how life was like being a colony, it’s best to enjoy 1s independence.
Yes, Aron, Patrick J. Buchanan has a Eurocentric view. He’d rather have Europeans in the U.S. as opposed to AFricans & people like myself. Yes, he believes Catholicism is the right faith & he thinks Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. are the wrong faiths. But guess what-I still like his views on many topics. Patrick J. Buchanan believes that India should be for people of India & China should be for the Chinese. This may sound silly, but Patrick J. Buchanan in his columns does use Sanskrit words such as Guru & Pundit, which came from India. In fact, even David Ernest Duke has used those words before & David Ernest Duke has been to India. Patrick J. Buchanan has said that he is against animal cruelty & he likes cats as pets. Patrick J. Buchanan has no problem with hunting for food.
On history, Patrick J. Buchanan is 1 of the best commentators. Patrick J. Buchanan has said that those killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki are innocent victims while also saying that President Harry S. Truman’s decision to drop the atom bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki ended the war & saved more lives. Incidentally while my view always has & will be that President Harry S. Truman should’ve dropped the atom bombs elsewhere in Japan with fewer civilians killed & wounded, he did what he believed would end the war & had Germany & Japan both possessed the atom bombs, they would’ve used them against us.
Anyhow Aron, my answer to what you’ve said about what Patrick J. Buchanan thinks about people from India is I still like his views. Patrick J. Buchanan doesn’t hate people from India. He wants work in the U.S. being done by American engineers & he doesn’t want jobs outsourced to India or China, but that’s fine. Anyhow your turn, but Patrick J. Buchanan is not a neo-Nazi.
on October 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am
The only race-baiters are those who defend Pat Buchannan’s hate speech. He might as well go on Fox news. LOL
on October 27th, 2011 at 10:52 am
what stands out to me more than anything,is the fact that black america remains ignorant to the many racists who are not white!who would love to dismiss the many contributions of this much maligned community,the southeast asian who writes with such smugness forgetting his own nations faults and the fact that mass killings have been going on for centuries in india,and their battling cousin ceylon,i have observed the arrogant indians,flee their country,and court racist white ideologies with full embrace,when it comes to blacks,what people fail to understand or acknowledge, is that gahndi was a racist!who despised blacks and when he lived in south africa, he fully supported blacks being disenfranchised and not being part of the south african government other,than hard labor masses at the mercy of europeans and indian immigrants! so its not surprising that todays indian immigrants to the united states feel the same way!even though,in india half a billion indians are stuck in poverty,bridal burnings,female infantcide,but want to pass judgement on black america it is more of a confirmation,to those who are not asleep to racism imported here,from 3rd word countries.
on October 27th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Pat buchanan is a dinosaur. I am suprised MSNBC still has him on its payroll. His views are definitely not mainstream and his only claim to fame is that he is a failed presidential candidate. Big whoop
on October 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Added note to Jonas. To call Patrick J. Buchanan a Nazi sympathiser is a personal attack or ad hominem. Patrick J. Buchanan may have said that Germany & later Austria (after Anschluss) was advanced in many ways during the Nazis time, he does not agree with Nazi Germany’s Final Solution to exterminate Jewry. When you call Patrick J. Buchanan a Nazi because of his views of wanting the U.S. to be European & White, then you change the meaning of what a Nazi is that it can’t be so bad. Nazis involve extermination & Patrick J. Buchanan hasn’t advocated extermination.
on October 27th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I visited the site of that organization Buchanan (and Ann Coulter) are associated with. Their newsletter had an article in it referencing a story from Europe in which a black man murdered his white wife’s son. Then the article went on to blame the tragedy on the sin of “miscegenation,” and the sort of thing one can expect when whites and blacks engage in unnatural interracial sex.
It is astonishing to me that anyone associated with such a virulently racist organization would be allowed to speak on TV at all, unless they themselves were the object of the story in question. And for MSNBC to keep this creep on it’s payroll is a disgrace.
on October 27th, 2011 at 11:44 am
While I disagree with nearly everything that comes out of
Buchanan’s mouth, I also disagree with attempts to censor him. The First Amendment says that we have free speech period, not that we have free speech as long as everyone else approves of what we say. Simply sweeping extremist opinions under the carpet will not make them go away. To the contrary, full expose is often the best tool for dealing with extremists, as they quickly misstep and make themselves look like fools. In fact, suppressing their free speech only vindicates their claims that their opinions are suppressed by the so-called “liberal” media, which acts as a starting pint to validate their other claims. Those who insist that Pat Buchanan must be taken off the air should also be just as insistent that Rachel Maddow be taken of the air, as she is just as inflammatory and extreme as Buchanan.
on October 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Re: Pat Buchanan’s quote, ‘interracial sex is white genocide.’
Stepping aside for a moment from the repulsively racist nature of that comment, perhaps Pat Buchanan needs to read more about the development of humans on earth. From an anthropological view, humans have pursued interracial sex for eons. It is what created humanity in all its variety, none of which is “pure”.
on October 27th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Hunter Wallace said:
“MSNBC is nothing bunch of leftist kooks talking to other leftist kooks. It has less credibility than the New York Times now in Middle America.”
For all its faults, the New York Times is the best newspaper the US can boast. If you think it lacks credibility then you can only be speaking from stark ignorance, the kind of stark ignorance that believes climate change isn’t happening because Rush Limbaugh says it isn’t, or that evolution is just a conspiracy theory hatched up by scientists worried about losing their jobs.
on October 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Everybody has a right to their opinion, and those that want to shut them up have closed minds unwilling to hear anything that opposes their point of view.
MSNBC is most definitely a Left wing machine. Leftists obviously wont be satisfied until all conservative voices are silenced.
Thank god for the internet.
on October 27th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@funinsnow who about you stick to what it is you know and leave the rest.
I for one am glad people like ol tired Pat is saying these things. I really wish the rest for them “people” would be more open like in the old dayz. For one, it would wake a lot of us up to the truth and we can then get past this “post-racial” bs. Please, let these people talk freely so we know who to avoid and render them persona non grata. As for the Political Cesspool, well they named it not me.
on October 27th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
The media are more than just businesses; they are community leaders, and what their reporters and commentators say influences that community, for better or worse. I would ask the MSNBC executives to ask themselves this question: Do you believe that you are serving your viewing community well by providing a platform for someone to convince your white viewers to feel threatened by their non-white peers?
on October 27th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Pat B. is a hero of traditional Western thought! Duke is nothing more than a joke, his most recent video shows a black woman as spokesperson for his views. Duke just recycles the thinking and speeches of Pierce, poorly rehashed.
on October 27th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Jeez, Buchanan really belongs on Fox. Wish he would take the lame Scarborough with him if/when he leaves!
on October 27th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
It isn’t an ‘ad hominem’ attack when it is true. As you correctly said, Pat Buchanan praised Nazi Germany and it’s a government, and by definition, that makes him a Nazi sympathizer. If he thought that was a bad thing, maybe he shouldn’t have praised the Nazis.
on October 27th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Liberals hate Pat because he speaks the truth. A tidal wave of sewarage is coming over the border from Mexico, and that does indeed pose a threat to the soverignty of the white race. He callas out the illigal mud people for what they are. I’m not askamed to be white, i’m proud. Liberals want Pat to be a self loathing liberal queer lover, but he’s not. He’s a real America who speaks th thuith, and is a patriot.
on October 27th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
“Who is listening to “Color of Change” and the SPLC these days other than other leftist kooks?”
Simple answer, Hunter- You are.
And if MSNBC is “left wing kooks”(because all you conservatives are so level-headed with your talk about death panels and what-not), why was Buchanan on there to begin with.
@The fellow who talked about slavery in Africa. Yes, slavery existed in Africa prior to European colonization and after- that is their problem to deal with. America must come to grips with its own past. Anyone who says the Brits or Americans don’t have to apologize for their crimes better not be running their mouths about “Communist atrocities” then. Socialism did a lot more for downtrodden peoples than those imperialists ever did.
on October 27th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
I don’t really follow any of the individuals discussed in this article or in the replies. I just want to say this as SO many people still don’t understand.
The first ammendment, freedom of speech, simply means that one has the right to speak poorly of authority without fear of being punished by the government simply for the words.
It DOES NOT give a person the right to say whatever they want whenever they want in any forum that they want.
It does not give people the right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater.
It does NOT give one the right to spew racial hatred that can lead to murder and mayhem.
It does NOT give one the right to play on peoples emotions in a way that it could cause them to commit crimes of any sort.
For the last time, one simply CANNOT just say whatever one wants to any time and any where one wants to.
Got it!?!
on October 27th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Steve L., I personally would be ashamed to be regarded as a member of the same race as you.
Fortunately, despite my northern European ancestry, I am a member of the HUMAN race.
Clearly, you feel you are not.
on October 27th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
@aron
Aron, my blog attachment is not coming through because the SPLC doesn’t want to reveal information about their anti-semitic antifa buddy.
“So you’re saying that we (the US) should not have fought in the Second World War?”
Where did I say that Aron? Did I say I embrace every idea that Buchanan advocates? Where? Where did I say that Aron?
“Methinks you’re not quite as Yiddishe as you claim…”
Youthinks not at all. You reflexively smear.
As a son of the haskallah, I do not restrict myself to axioms and narratives the way frummies and Liberal Jews do, aron. I can disagree with someone on major issues, like entering WWII, and still feel they have a right to be on MSNBC. Because I’m a fahbrentenah meshuganah like that. I believe in free speech EVEN if I disagree with someone on WWII strategy.
Just an fyi — in comments in the future, (the ones where you aren’t attacking my yichus), please only ask me questions on things I have said, not things I have NOT advocated. Ok, aron?
on October 27th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Hey, funinsnow, you act like black or African people are the only ones that do what you say they do. What you say is true, but don’t act like others are immune. Most of the wars the occured throughout time were started by Europeans against Europeans in Europe. As someone else stated, SPLC focuses on the United States only. And as for not apologizing for past atrocities, try telling that to Jewish people. They’ll never forget what happened during World War II nor should they.
As for Pat Buchanan, I don’t give a damn if MSNBC fires him or not. He doesn’t matter to me and MSNBC doesn’t matter to me. And there may be left wing idiots on MSNBC that love talking to left wing idiots, but there are right wing idiots on Fox News that love talking to fellow right wing idiots.
Matt, Steve L., I think you two clowns are looking for another website. It starts with an S and ends with a T.
on October 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
^Funinsnow,
According to your response, ad hominems are the same thing as pointing out the sheer illogic and contradiction alive in every one of ur stated arguments; so we’re supposed to believe that merely racial taunting/slurring, segregation and voting disenfranchisement are the ‘lesser of two evils’ than lynching, drownings, slavery and all the other hosts of historical state-sponsored fascism in America and elsewhere and leave it @ that?
Again, the most disturbing and underhandedly hilarious aspect of this argument is that you, the spawn of two people from India and a racial/ethnic minority, are defending the fact that teh U.S. has assisted in unilateral colonization/imperial strangling of your home nation; that and the revisionist, factually challenged, and vehemently ethnicentric writings of the most ‘intellectual’ open neo-nazi and white supremacist that still has a mainstream media voice. You know your basically sucking up to a guy that would as suredly watch and grin as his soulless aryan co-horts publically executed you in some god-forsaken way as you continue this ‘well, whitey hasn’t been or wasn’t AS mean to us as when…’ naivety. I guess it does take many types to make up the world, it’d be nice if we didn’t have to include all the proudly cognitively impaired ones…
on October 27th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
to steve l….i know pat buchanan is not from south of the border and i assume that you are not from south of the border either…..so you are wrong when you say that all sewer is coming from there…..some of it has already been here for a long time and all you have to do is look in the mirror…..if you want to call someone a mud person you might want to brush up on your spelling first so you don’t come across as ignorant….lol!!
on October 27th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Twotif,
First, if you don’t follow any of these people, then you’re opinion is essentially invalid, because you don’t have a clue as to what we’re talking about.
But since you brought it up, yelling fire in a crowded theater is not the same as hate speech. In the this situation, your actions can be clearly linked to a resulting action. When you move from speech to action, bingo, you’ve just committed a crime. Making a definitive link between hate speech and hate crime is pretty hard and has only been successfully pursued a few times, most notably against Tom Metzger’s White Aryan Resistance. Even then, the factor that convicted Metzger was not his hate filled rants; it was that a clear link was drawn between the defendants who committed the criminal act and Metzger. Like it or not, spewing rascist hatred is protected speech and always will be.
As far as playing on people’s emotions, puh-leeze, this is totally legal. If it wasn’t, every advertising executive and politician in America would be in jail. What you do with the your emotions is your responsibility, plain and simple. If you go out and commit a crime because someone played on your emotions, you would be foolish to expect any sympathy in court because no one forced you to commit a crime. You chose to do so and deserve whatever you get.
People can SAY whatever they want, but if it can be linked to a real time effect, they can also land in the clink.
Get it?
on October 27th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
This recent appearance by Pat Buchanan on the Political Cesspool is his third time on the show, so why all of a sudden now are intolerant liberals trying to limit his outlets as a pundit? If his ideas and opinion lack merit nor pass intellectual muster, than his views will not stand up to serious debate.
I remember when the manta of the left was:
“I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire
That was before the majority of them became neutered ninnies crying about hate-speech and couching their views in nonsensical post-modern colloquialisms. I would never seek to have any of the non-white ethno-nationalist pundits who get a free reign to say all sorts of outlandish things on various cable and broadcast outlets fired.
on October 27th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
6 Degrees,
You’re right. It was a character smear (schmear, if you will). I misunderstood your reference, and was so appalled by what I thought you had said that I lost my decorum. For that, you have my apologies.
However, I stand by everything I said after that.
(Also, your grasp of Yinglish is leagues above mine. And for that, I am quite jealous.)
on October 27th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
I am ticked off at Diane for letting Buchanan get away with decrying the polarization of our society about a long list of ills, including abortion and stem cell research. Wish I could remember all his issues, but the steam was coming out of my ears and I couldn’t catch the whole list. The gist of is that WE are the problem, not him and his right wing yellow journalists and jingoists..
Diane failed point out the fact the Patty’s issues are those he and his radical right wing buddies have created on FOX, Limpball, and all the other treasonous and degenerate radio and tv programs they are allowed to poison our airwaves with. Don’t anyone dare tell me they have not had their air time to screw with the minds of the weak willies who are mad because they are not getting a big enough piece of the capitalist pie and need to cast blame on someone. Immigrants, blacks, women….any target will do. I say, send Buchanan back to the country of his choice that suits his temprament, say Russia, China, or Uganda or Sudan. He’ll fit right in.
on October 27th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
“Attempting to gag” Buchanan? Noooo. Open to throttling him? Oh yes, certainly. Would it be called gagging if one was to force ever page of his racist, anti-semetic, homophobic tomes?
By the way, raise your hand if you think Buchanan ACTUALLY wrote any of his work. Now, raise your middle finger and point it at Buchanan. Trust me, you’ll feel better instantly.
on October 27th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
@aron
My comment appeared after yours, but was sent in (but not posted) before yours was visible. Hence, the misunderstandings. I did not write in response to your original comment b/c I had not even seen it. Hence, I had not called you anti-intellectual. I did not — at the time — yet know you existed.
The above list in the essay offered by the author is a hit piece replete with ad hominems of guilt by non-association. You think the SPLC really cares that Buchanan went on a radio show they find offensive in order to sell his book? Their own person went on a radio show way more offensive! Mark Potok went on the Jim Giles show! That guy called for GENOCIDE of Jew, aron! I kid you not. And Mark Potok of the SPLC still went on his show.
Now I know the SPLC fans will explain how different it supposedly is. Because Potok is all about Tikkun Olam or some nonsense. But can you understand why I’m not buying that, and I don’t care what radio show Buchanan was on or what guests were there before or after?
This shouldn’t be about the radio show’s other guests. It should be about Buchanan, and when it is guilt by non-association, it usually means they and their funders just don’t like the guy.
on October 27th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Ahh, all the nuts have come off their trees and are out yelling about how evil you are for attacking Buchanan. I’m not so sure whether it is he or his sister who is the more evil. Does it matter? We have all been listening to their garbage for many years.
The only question that I have is how all of these people who always hated Jews and Catholics in general and Irish Catholics in particular. Irish Protestants such as Ian Paisley were somehow all right. Now so are Irish Catholics and even Italians as long as they hate the real enemy, which is blacks, Arabs, Muslims in general, and Mexicans. The question is, how many centuries will it take for you to turn into human beings?
on October 27th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
While I disagree with nearly everything that comes out of Buchanan’s mouth, I also disagree with attempts to censor him. The First Amendment says that we have free speech period,
The First Amendment prohibits government censorship. It doesn’t give Pat Buchanan a right to a coveted slot on a national network, nor does it forbid the viewers of that network — or any other group of citizens — from asking the network to drop him over his long history of racist pronouncements.
The Right’s hostile reaction to this basic exercise of consumer rights shows how little they actually care for free-market principles.
on October 28th, 2011 at 12:09 am
The First Amendment pertains solely to government and with few exceptions. MSNBC could fire Buchannon for what he says without violating his rights. If this is not true I could sue the SPLC for the 40% of my posts they “moderate.” It’s their forum. All of our posts are a priviledge, not a right.
However, firing Buchannan would be consistant with the left’s standard tactics–ending debate when they’re losing it.
As I read these posts it appears to me that funinsnow is an American of Indian descent. The critics chastizing him for supporting Buchannan who they feel is bigoted against funinsnow’s “people” is more a refection on his critics (or her critics). It seems to incense these critics that funinsnow would identify as an American rather than a first generation Indian. It is not funinsnow’s attitude but his critics that illustrate the Balcanization of this country.
With regards to author Leah Nelson’s take on James Edwards, she seems to be making a point herself when she says, ” Edwards, to be sure, does seem to make a point of keeping himself away from the lowest dregs of the extreme right. The “Cesspool” host is a rising star of the white nationalist movement because he’s articulate and equally at ease in a television studio, behind a radio microphone, or standing in front of a crowd. Edwards carefully avoids using crudely derogatory language. Though he allies himself with hate group leaders who call black people “niggers,” he doesn’t drop the N-bomb himself. Instead he speaks in the more or less polished code of a suit-and-tie racist, calling blacks “heathen savages,” “subhumans,” and “black animals,” exclusively in the context of discussing violent black-on-white crime.”
Well, this is what the left has been doing for decades. And from many of the posts from the leftists here, it seems to be a successful strategy. We can dress up the members of the Congressional Black Caucus and brush their teeth, but they’re still racists.
No, wait. Only whites can be racist. Hear that, funinsnow? You’re off the hook on that one.
on October 28th, 2011 at 12:30 am
Hate speech is not protected speech.
on October 28th, 2011 at 6:34 am
I was born and raised in the South. I have close relatives who are hard core Klan so it’s safe to say that I know a Racist when I hear on. Mr. Buchanan is without a doubt a Racist and those who defend him are no better. What most people outside the South do NOT understand is the Code. Racist and White Supremacist have a code they have developed to be able to openly discuss their hate and bigotry while being able to deny that to Main Stream America. There is ONE fact thought that all Americans must accept. These uneducated an cowardly people are flat scared out of their small little minds. The are intelligent enough to SEE and UNDERSTAND that 90% of the Population Increase in Texas was NON-White. They can see with their own eyes the change in America and the REALITY that they will become, in a very short time, a Minority. They are YELLOW to the core and know NO OTHER way than Intimidation. THEY MUST make each other feel that THEY still are the majority and THEY are the only ones with any answers… Superior to EVERYONE else. Fear is a strange thing to deal with but is extremely dangerous to normal American’s… this we must all understand.
on October 28th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Larry, I have a different take on southerners and hardly believe you know anything about the Klan. If you did you would realize that most of them throughout this century were concentrated in Illinois and Indiana.
Both white and black southerners get along with each other much better than southerners and northerners. In recent decades blacks everywhere have been politicized. It is that politization and not the race that causes the radical divisions you see. Your perspective is completely northern where the southern stereotypes were formed during the civil rights movement.
Southerners, white and black grew up with each other. Northerners kept their ethnic and racial groups segregated. A Wisconsin yankee who has never met a black man assumes the black man has been maltreated in the south and never once looked in his own back yard.
The segregation both north and south today is self-imposed. And it has less to do with race than it does with ideology. Find a conservative black man and see how he’s treated by “his people” as well as northern liberals. Bring him down here to Mississippi and he’ll find some pleasent white company.
on October 28th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Once again the extreme left-wing hate groups, like the SPLC and ADL spew their anti-white hate on every zionist “news” station, but throw hissy-fits if anyone disagrees with their zionist hate propaganda.
on October 28th, 2011 at 9:37 am
James,
What on earth are you talking about? No one brought up Zionism.
Why don’t you go back to Stormfront?
on October 28th, 2011 at 10:11 am
“The veteran culture warrior is no mere “paleoconservative” — he is an open white nationalist”
Can anyone cite Buchanan “openly” embracing “white nationalism”, or is it safe to disregard this entire libelous piece?
on October 28th, 2011 at 10:23 am
This is funny. I’ll start with James Lewis. Give examples of the ADL and SPLC are anti-white. Put your money where your mouth is. If not, be quiet.
Dick Lancaster, you make assumptions that people in different regions get along with based on their regional dwelling or ideology. How do you know? Did you talk to these individuals? I don’t know if they get along with each other because it’s all based on the individual, so I won’t assume they all get along because of regional dwelling or ideology. As for your other diatribe, I cannot speak for others, but if funinsnow likes Pat Buchanan, I don’t care. If he or she identifies as an American only, I don’t care. My comment was a response to something else funinsnow typed and the lack of knowledge he or she has about India and the amount slaughters that occured there both during British colonialism and after independence among others. And your take on the CBC and James Edwards is asinine.
Also, if you read the article, there are only two organizations calling for MSNBC to fire Buchanan: Media Matters for America and Color of Change. SPLC is not on that list.
on October 28th, 2011 at 10:24 am
PBN, Buchanan has a history of making claims that the U.S. should be more white or mostly white.
on October 28th, 2011 at 10:49 am
This is horribly insensitive, Pat Buchanan lost relatives in concentration camps as well, his Uncle fell out of a guard tower.
on October 28th, 2011 at 11:00 am
juepucta said,
“Hate speech is not protected speech.”
Of course it is! As it must be. Otherwise the debate changes from policy and facts to whether or not something can be considered “hate” speech. And with that, freedom of speech is destroyed.
How do you not know this?
on October 28th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
juepucta said,
ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2011 AT 12:30 AM
Hate speech is not protected speech.
@jeupucta, as several people in this thread have correctly pointed out, the United States does not have laws limiting (or even defining) “hate speech.” That’s why, for instance, Holocaust denier David Irving can be prosecuted in Europe, where there are hate speech laws, but not in America, where there aren’t.
These constitutional protections apply equally to everyone, and are part of the makings of a vibrant democracy. They’re the reason, for instance, that LGBT organizations and La Raza and other groups reviled by the extreme right can stage rallies and events to express their views, just as organizations designated by the SPLC as hate groups can express theirs.
on October 28th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Pat Buchanan is like a breath of fresh air. Thanks, Pat!
on October 28th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
I have just finished reading Pat Buchanan’s book, “Suicide of a Superpower.” I highly recommend it to all. He is certainly one of the great treasures of this nation.
on October 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Edward, compared to Buchanan, Howard Stern is a national treasure. Pat Buchanan is a bitter angry old man who appeals to bitter angry middle-aged men.
on October 29th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Pat Buchanan’s eurocentric views often slide over into white supremacy rhetoric. Especially when he capriciously assigns race to history’s success and failure and projects it as a value onto future advance and decline. As wrongheaded as his views are—they are based on sweeping, unfounded but familiar generalizations, glaring omissions, deliberately overlooked details and an ignorance of specifics that is arrogance supreme–Buchanan is guilty of deeper crimes. Buchanan misses entirely the rice production done by Africans which made southern rice planters the world’s wealthiest economic class in the 18th century. That African cultivated rice, saved northern Europe from famine, revitalized Sweden, and established a singular prosperity in Cowes, England, and paid for the legal educations of many of the founding fathers, including South Carolina’s Charles Pinckney whose ghost draft of a constitution became a template for Jefferson and Madison.
Today, American Express, Xerox. Merck (yes), and Aetna are headed by African-Americans. Tell them they are leading the nation into decline.
But Buchanan’s greatest threat is not his wild assertions (mostly recycled from 18th century English parliament debates, Klan warnings of the decline of America and the rhetoric of US senators like SC’s Cotton Ed Smith in the 1920s and NC’s Jesse Helms more recently), or his role as an apologist for white people. It’s not his network and media platform. His greatest danger is as a distraction, the opposite of Athena’s apples, but for the same purpose. His role is to focus the public vision away from the GOP’s drive for unfettered, unchecked power. He appeals to the old order, while blinding everyone to his own irrelevancy. Buchanan is a modern Falstaff, vain, bombastic, cowardly, trading fear for courage. In every situation and action that he engages, Buchanan subverts the right order and stands for absolutist rule, feudal economics, and military virtues. He is ready to use other people as a means for his own ends. He steals old, re-cycled ideas. He and other pundits have lost their ambition of critical discovery.
They never reference the amazing growth of Brasil and its rise as a world economic leader in markets and moving 31 million of impoverished masses into middle class in the last decade. They ignore the means are no longer about the old ends. Buchanan is what one Shakespearean scholar described as a “stage butt.” Take much of what he says as a jest and remember ideologically he is a thief.
on October 29th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Walterhett,
I’ll be honest in saying you’re the first commenter to surpass Ruslan in quality of prose.
That was a truly brilliant piece of analysis, and if you don’t mind, I may pass it on to a few friends. Very impressive.
Thank you
on November 1st, 2011 at 2:57 pm
“Patrick J. Buchanan does not like you. He dislikes you because you are different.”
I see no evidence that Buchanan is bigoted towards INDIVIDUALS of another race. He nominated after all a black woman to be his running mate in 2000. Nor is he particularly hostile towards race-based groups that seek the advancement of their race. In fact, he probably see their efforts as natural, and only wants whites to be able to explicitely pursue policies their own racial self-interest as well. What he is sceptical about is the idea that forcing racial groups to interact together in every sphere of life, with no regard to the preferences of the groups concerned, and with coercive governmental policies designed to enforce equality of outcome amongst the different groups, is a path that will lead to unity, harmony and national greatness.
“First Amendment…nor does it forbid the viewers of that network — or any other group of citizens — from asking the network to drop him over his long history of racist pronouncements.”
True, but why are you so intolerant of these views that you seek to prevent other people from hearing them? It is not like he is not being CHALLENGED when he expresses his viewpoint on MSNBC.
Personally, I wish he was on Fox News instead. His role on MSNBC is to shock liberals, who are too closed minded for most part to even consider his viewpoints. Fox News however is watched by conservatives who MIGHT just hear what he says and begin to question the neocon kool-aid they are being given daily.
on November 1st, 2011 at 6:33 pm
I find it funny how people want to defend hate speech by saying that hate mongers like Pat Buchanan deserve to speak because their speech is protected under the second amendment. Rwanda is know for genocide. Its hatred was flared by hate speech. This country has a long history of racial violance directed at people of color. The mass hatred has continually been fed large servings of hate speech. People who share the same hatred as him will defend his speech. They will use various angles such as the emotional appeal, intellectual approach, or some legal basis to defend and promote him. Perhaps, if they were the target of his hate rants and his mindless minion, their support of him would likely disappear in the blink of an eye.
on November 1st, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@Philemon
How is Buchanan like a breath of fresh air? It stinks of hatred and passively promotes violence. Its as putrid as hate has ever been. He mixes truth with lies and opines as if he is speaking factually. I have no idea what you consider fresh air, but I think whatever you’re smelling is attracting flies.
on November 1st, 2011 at 9:34 pm
“I see no evidence that Buchanan is bigoted towards INDIVIDUALS of another race.”
Odd, since racism is usually about judging groups of people, not individuals. Perhaps you aren’t really looking.
“He nominated after all a black woman to be his running mate in 2000.”
A move which delivered his supporters over to the GOP, as it turns out,
” Nor is he particularly hostile towards race-based groups that seek the advancement of their race.”
You miss the point of those groups. They seek “advancement” to equality, not a superior position.
” In fact, he probably see their efforts as natural, and only wants whites to be able to explicitely pursue policies their own racial self-interest as well.”
Judging by all statistics, “whites” are advancing their “racial interests” quite well. Compared to Kurds in Turkey or Palestinians.
“What he is sceptical about is the idea that forcing racial groups to interact together in every sphere of life, with no regard to the preferences of the groups concerned, and with coercive governmental policies designed to enforce equality of outcome amongst the different groups, is a path that will lead to unity, harmony and national greatness.”
Please cite some examples of what you say here. Also it seems like you are saying he endorses segregation.
“True, but why are you so intolerant of these views that you seek to prevent other people from hearing them? It is not like he is not being CHALLENGED when he expresses his viewpoint on MSNBC.”
If I were allowed on MSNBC, I would bury Pat Buchanan in a debate. But I am not allowed on networks like that, because my views are far outside what is tolerated in the American media by any side. The media gives Pat and others far more freedom of speech than most of us.
“Personally, I wish he was on Fox News instead. His role on MSNBC is to shock liberals, who are too closed minded for most part to even consider his viewpoints. Fox News however is watched by conservatives who MIGHT just hear what he says and begin to question the neocon kool-aid they are being given daily.”
Unlikely. Conservatives are famous for being able to hold conflicting views without noticing.
on November 2nd, 2011 at 1:48 am
buchanan is a breath of fresh air because he is unique…the only mainstream conservative in the popular media who gives a damn about whether or not Western civilization lives or dies. He is a traditionalist. And he is not anti-black. There were many black leaders and thinkers before 1960 who were concerned about the uplift of the black race in America who did not see mandatory desegregation and federal government paternalism as the answers to their problems. zora neale hurston was an example of a proud black woman who had no use whatsoever for the civil rights establishment that sought all of the progressive reforms that came to pass which have in many ways contributed to the decline of black America, not its uplift. People like Hurston and Booker T. Washington and even Marcus Garvey in some ways would have been sympathetic to Buchanan. Ezola Foster, Buchanan’s running mate in 2000, is a black woman who holds many of the same views as Hurston and Washington and other proud blacks from the pre-Civil Rights era.
on November 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 am
“buchanan is a breath of fresh air because he is unique…”
So were Ed Gein, Hitler, and John Wayne Gacey.
“the only mainstream conservative in the popular media who gives a damn about whether or not Western civilization lives or dies.”
Please define “Western civilization”. And he is far from the only right wing blowhard whining about the death of Western civilization. In fact, right wing blowhards were whining about that as far back as the late 19th century. Maybe “Western civilization”, whatever it is, is stronger than they think.
“He is a traditionalist.”
He may call himself that, but many “traditions” these people speak of didn’t exist, or were negative.
“And he is not anti-black. There were many black leaders and thinkers before 1960 who were concerned about the uplift of the black race in America who did not see mandatory desegregation and federal government paternalism as the answers to their problems.”
So you support segregation and you think that blacks live off the government(strange, seeing as how whites still receive the bulk of welfare dollars, and that’s not including subsidies and special tax breaks).
on November 2nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Above, it is mentioned that Buchanan is “unique” amongst commentators. That is almost surely true, in that he is probably the only pundit on a mainstream American TV network who propagated white nationalist propaganda. It goes beyond banal expressions of advocacy for “western civilization” and into the realm of blatant racism (or at least race-based nationalism). Buchanan believes, for example, that “superior” civilizations were always dominated by a single “race” (whatever that could mean). Also, he believes that, to make the US better, “whites” should dominate, which would in practice result in some sort of discriminatory racial stratification. This would mean a system rather like Apartheid South Africa (which Buchanan was against placing sanctions on), where non-”white” citizens are rendered second-, third- or fourth-class ones.