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	<title>Comments on: It’s a Bird, It’s a Plane –Wait! It’s the New World Order</title>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-340222</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only black helicopter I know of is Airwolf(just dated myself with that reference).  Anyway, I find this black helicopter theory pretty funny because, obviously if they are trying to spy on people covertly, they would not use readily identifiable helicopters.  They would use ones which appear as traffic or medevac choppers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only black helicopter I know of is Airwolf(just dated myself with that reference).  Anyway, I find this black helicopter theory pretty funny because, obviously if they are trying to spy on people covertly, they would not use readily identifiable helicopters.  They would use ones which appear as traffic or medevac choppers.</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-340188</link>
		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonas,

Whatever the &quot;reputation&quot; of police departments may be, in theory at least, they&#039;re required to get warrants before they actually get inside your home, whether virtually (i.e., using wiretaps or drones) or physically (i.e., by knocking down the door). To get a warrant, they&#039;re supposed to show &quot;probable cause&quot; to believe you&#039;re doing something unlawful. I know, the system can be abused, but with multiple layers of judicial review, there&#039;s some protection for us. At the federal level, of course, all bets are off under the Bush-era &quot;homeland security&quot; rules, but that&#039;s another story.

On the other hand, the corporate snoops get details about our personal lives, including our finances, by feeding us trivial bribes and concealing their intent. And no one is even thinking about reining them in. Consumer activists had to fight like ravenous dogs just to get the credit bureaus to give us an annual peek at the credit reports they compile on us. The even-more-detailed &quot;marketing&quot; reports they compile about all of us, which are tied in to our credit reports, are totally out of reach — except for any corporation or government agency that&#039;s willing to pay them for those reports. Big Brother isn&#039;t the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonas,</p>
<p>Whatever the &#8220;reputation&#8221; of police departments may be, in theory at least, they&#8217;re required to get warrants before they actually get inside your home, whether virtually (i.e., using wiretaps or drones) or physically (i.e., by knocking down the door). To get a warrant, they&#8217;re supposed to show &#8220;probable cause&#8221; to believe you&#8217;re doing something unlawful. I know, the system can be abused, but with multiple layers of judicial review, there&#8217;s some protection for us. At the federal level, of course, all bets are off under the Bush-era &#8220;homeland security&#8221; rules, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the corporate snoops get details about our personal lives, including our finances, by feeding us trivial bribes and concealing their intent. And no one is even thinking about reining them in. Consumer activists had to fight like ravenous dogs just to get the credit bureaus to give us an annual peek at the credit reports they compile on us. The even-more-detailed &#8220;marketing&#8221; reports they compile about all of us, which are tied in to our credit reports, are totally out of reach — except for any corporation or government agency that&#8217;s willing to pay them for those reports. Big Brother isn&#8217;t the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-340137</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While its difficult to imagine how things could get worse when you are married to a paranoid conspiracy nut, now that he&#039;s explosed their sex life, I feel really sorry for Mrs. Jones.

Incidentially, I think I saw a black helicopter once - it was flying over Washington, DC so according to people like Mr. Jones, it obviously must have been the federal government spying on themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While its difficult to imagine how things could get worse when you are married to a paranoid conspiracy nut, now that he&#8217;s explosed their sex life, I feel really sorry for Mrs. Jones.</p>
<p>Incidentially, I think I saw a black helicopter once &#8211; it was flying over Washington, DC so according to people like Mr. Jones, it obviously must have been the federal government spying on themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Rand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CM, both corporate and government espionage are threats to  deserve scrutiny. Police possessing drones is highly suspicious, and I would appreciate an explanation for their use by the police department. PDs have a reputation for being incompetent, and I don&#039;t particularly like the idea that whatever is going on in someone&#039;s private yard can become the subject of ridicule by the pigs while they are wasting time. What if a rumor (even just amongst police) spreads that so-and-so (who is ordinarily trustworthy) is a thief, because the person controlling the drone found that so-and-so had filled her/his backyard with a lot of items during the week? What if it&#039;s false, but they believe it anyway? I am suspicious as to their true reasons for wanting these.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CM, both corporate and government espionage are threats to  deserve scrutiny. Police possessing drones is highly suspicious, and I would appreciate an explanation for their use by the police department. PDs have a reputation for being incompetent, and I don&#8217;t particularly like the idea that whatever is going on in someone&#8217;s private yard can become the subject of ridicule by the pigs while they are wasting time. What if a rumor (even just amongst police) spreads that so-and-so (who is ordinarily trustworthy) is a thief, because the person controlling the drone found that so-and-so had filled her/his backyard with a lot of items during the week? What if it&#8217;s false, but they believe it anyway? I am suspicious as to their true reasons for wanting these.</p>
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		<title>By: CIA Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-340029</link>
		<dc:creator>CIA Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the internet has made people more open minded. 
Back then you couldn&#039;t fact check rumors about black helicopters for yourself. Imagine how isolated people were back then compared to where we are today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the internet has made people more open minded.<br />
Back then you couldn&#8217;t fact check rumors about black helicopters for yourself. Imagine how isolated people were back then compared to where we are today.</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 13:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typical right-wing misdirection: Alarm everyone about a fake threat while resolutely ignoring the real one. The biggest invasion of privacy is occurring right under our noses and with our own complicity. Every time we agree to a EULA on a new software package or &quot;app,&quot; every time we register for a website, every time someone joins Facebook, every time we sign up for one of those grocery store &quot;loyalty&quot; cards and then watch it get swiped over the bar-code reader, we&#039;re agreeing to give our personal information to some corporate data-aggregator and credit bureau. Instead of worrying about our files at the CIA or the UN, we need to worry about our profiles in the profiteers&#039; computers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical right-wing misdirection: Alarm everyone about a fake threat while resolutely ignoring the real one. The biggest invasion of privacy is occurring right under our noses and with our own complicity. Every time we agree to a EULA on a new software package or &#8220;app,&#8221; every time we register for a website, every time someone joins Facebook, every time we sign up for one of those grocery store &#8220;loyalty&#8221; cards and then watch it get swiped over the bar-code reader, we&#8217;re agreeing to give our personal information to some corporate data-aggregator and credit bureau. Instead of worrying about our files at the CIA or the UN, we need to worry about our profiles in the profiteers&#8217; computers.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-340006</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat in Massachusetts

I&#039;m well aware of how to spell moron, thank you very much. If you&#039;ve never heard that usage before, that&#039;s hardly my fault.

Drones are no worse than helicopters. Think about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat in Massachusetts</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware of how to spell moron, thank you very much. If you&#8217;ve never heard that usage before, that&#8217;s hardly my fault.</p>
<p>Drones are no worse than helicopters. Think about that.</p>
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		<title>By: dr2chase</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-339997</link>
		<dc:creator>dr2chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want privacy from radar, a tin-foil hat (or in this case, roof, and walls) actually helps.  Standing-seam metal roof on a metal building, that should do it.  Put screens on the windows, be sure they are made of metal, not plastic.  Kiss your cell phone signal good-bye, of course.

If you&#039;re especially paranoid, a few large ceiling fans (with metal blades, natch) and some of those metallized mylar balloons waving around in the interior breeze will also help.  (Yes, radar that can &quot;see&quot; through concrete walls has recently been demonstrated.  Unless your tinfoil is superconducting, some radar will still get through, and with enough radar and enough signal processing, they can spot moving blobs.)

Just trying to do my bit to help.  Even a &quot;Patriot&quot; has the right to private sex with their wife on the toilet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want privacy from radar, a tin-foil hat (or in this case, roof, and walls) actually helps.  Standing-seam metal roof on a metal building, that should do it.  Put screens on the windows, be sure they are made of metal, not plastic.  Kiss your cell phone signal good-bye, of course.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re especially paranoid, a few large ceiling fans (with metal blades, natch) and some of those metallized mylar balloons waving around in the interior breeze will also help.  (Yes, radar that can &#8220;see&#8221; through concrete walls has recently been demonstrated.  Unless your tinfoil is superconducting, some radar will still get through, and with enough radar and enough signal processing, they can spot moving blobs.)</p>
<p>Just trying to do my bit to help.  Even a &#8220;Patriot&#8221; has the right to private sex with their wife on the toilet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-339995</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I predict a lot of hobbyists are going to lose their model aircraft to AA fire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict a lot of hobbyists are going to lose their model aircraft to AA fire.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No!  Not the combat mech-robots!  They&#039;re the worst of all!

Also:  &quot;Ideas are bulletproof.”  Did he steal that from V for Vendetta, or did he take it from somewhere else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No!  Not the combat mech-robots!  They&#8217;re the worst of all!</p>
<p>Also:  &#8220;Ideas are bulletproof.”  Did he steal that from V for Vendetta, or did he take it from somewhere else?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat In Massachusetts</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-339954</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat In Massachusetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 08:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t anyone wonder why cops need drones in the first place?

And if you have the audacity to call anyone a moron, please learn how to spell the word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone wonder why cops need drones in the first place?</p>
<p>And if you have the audacity to call anyone a moron, please learn how to spell the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Rand</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/01/its-a-bird-its-a-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-339907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 05:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ground the drones, their only purposes are unnecessary and hostile. Too many deaths, too  many unethical and pricey wars, too much espionage (and too high a risk for civil liberties violations) and not nearly enough government openness. As for spying on drug growing, that too is senseless and stupid, as is the entire draconian &quot;war on drugs&quot;. The usage of drones for murder weapons in wartime is particularly disturbing because it can enable governments to get away with more than they would ordinarily be allowed to without scrutiny. For example, killing unarmed soldiers may be more common and go without mention, even though it is a war crime. Due to the lack of ability to determine whether someone about to be killed (a &quot;target&quot;, but that is such dehumanizing language) is really armed, it is possible that it would go unmentioned.The millitary-industrial complex is an inhuman machine, and the drones make more pointless wars (a tautology) possible, helping to feed that machine. 

But putting UAVs in the hands of police quite possibly sets a new low for police respect for civil liberties. For police departments to use drones for surveillance on private citizens invites a very dangerous possibility. Not only could there be mistakes (targeting innocent people with police harassment and arrests, treating them like criminals), but spying on people could cause private information (totally unrelated to violations of the law) to spread unwillingly. I for one do not want every aspect of anyone&#039;s personal life, including my own, to be the subject of casual office conversation at local police departments. As Phillip notes above, It would be interesting to see what the police plan to do with these devices, in addition to what regulations they have set up surrounding their use. However, I concur with Phillip that Alex Jones is not reliable enough as a source of information about this. He has a tendency to engage in paranoia, exaggeration, and fearmongering, and he even resembles a cult leader at times. 

One example of his many exaggerations is in the title of &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2ZHY82oFKI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this video&lt;/a&gt; (uploaded by his official YouTube account), which reads &quot;Obama to Ban Asthma Inhalers!&quot;. This leads to the misleading conclusion that Obama really planned on doing such a thing, whereas in reality, the ban was on &lt;em&gt;CFCs&lt;/em&gt; in inhalers. Of course, inhalers can be produced without CFCs, which would not be illegal to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ground the drones, their only purposes are unnecessary and hostile. Too many deaths, too  many unethical and pricey wars, too much espionage (and too high a risk for civil liberties violations) and not nearly enough government openness. As for spying on drug growing, that too is senseless and stupid, as is the entire draconian &#8220;war on drugs&#8221;. The usage of drones for murder weapons in wartime is particularly disturbing because it can enable governments to get away with more than they would ordinarily be allowed to without scrutiny. For example, killing unarmed soldiers may be more common and go without mention, even though it is a war crime. Due to the lack of ability to determine whether someone about to be killed (a &#8220;target&#8221;, but that is such dehumanizing language) is really armed, it is possible that it would go unmentioned.The millitary-industrial complex is an inhuman machine, and the drones make more pointless wars (a tautology) possible, helping to feed that machine. </p>
<p>But putting UAVs in the hands of police quite possibly sets a new low for police respect for civil liberties. For police departments to use drones for surveillance on private citizens invites a very dangerous possibility. Not only could there be mistakes (targeting innocent people with police harassment and arrests, treating them like criminals), but spying on people could cause private information (totally unrelated to violations of the law) to spread unwillingly. I for one do not want every aspect of anyone&#8217;s personal life, including my own, to be the subject of casual office conversation at local police departments. As Phillip notes above, It would be interesting to see what the police plan to do with these devices, in addition to what regulations they have set up surrounding their use. However, I concur with Phillip that Alex Jones is not reliable enough as a source of information about this. He has a tendency to engage in paranoia, exaggeration, and fearmongering, and he even resembles a cult leader at times. </p>
<p>One example of his many exaggerations is in the title of <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2ZHY82oFKI" rel="nofollow">this video</a> (uploaded by his official YouTube account), which reads &#8220;Obama to Ban Asthma Inhalers!&#8221;. This leads to the misleading conclusion that Obama really planned on doing such a thing, whereas in reality, the ban was on <em>CFCs</em> in inhalers. Of course, inhalers can be produced without CFCs, which would not be illegal to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tasers? Really? Does Alex actually know how these things work?

Teh stupid, it burns.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tasers? Really? Does Alex actually know how these things work?</p>
<p>Teh stupid, it burns&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a civil libertarian, I am shocked that these are being used. I would like to see how they are used and what are police policies on them are.

But I&#039;d rather get a report from the ACLU or Electronic Frontier Foundation than Alex Jones]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a civil libertarian, I am shocked that these are being used. I would like to see how they are used and what are police policies on them are.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d rather get a report from the ACLU or Electronic Frontier Foundation than Alex Jones</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;...While you&#039;re on your toilet, having sex with your wife.&#039;

Wait a second. Is this Alex Jones or Dan Savage we&#039;re talking about?

What a maroon...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;While you&#8217;re on your toilet, having sex with your wife.&#8217;</p>
<p>Wait a second. Is this Alex Jones or Dan Savage we&#8217;re talking about?</p>
<p>What a maroon&#8230;</p>
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