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Muslim Basher Robert Spencer Shows White Nationalist Colors
Proving yet again that nothing is beneath him, anti-Muslim propagandist Robert Spencer has put himself firmly in the camp of open white nationalists with an article published yesterday in Crisis magazine, a conservative Catholic publication. Replete with fawning references to the superior accomplishments of Western culture and the Catholic Church, the piece, titled “Is Multiculturalism Evil?,” proposes that Western civilization is superior to all others and that multiculturalists (aligned with “Islamic supremacists”) are colluding to bring it to its knees.
Spencer’s piece is punctuated with a recommended reading list that might have been taken from the bookshelf of John Tanton, the racist architect of the modern nativist movement. Of the five tracts he suggests, four were written and/or published by anti-immigration extremists. They include On the Immorality of Illegal Immigration by retired priest and longtime Tanton ally Patrick Bascio; The Immigration Mystique by Chilton Williamson, who is a frequent contributor to the white nationalist website VDARE; Anthony M. Esolen’s The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization, which was published by the white nationalist Regnery Press; and Jean Raspail’s 1973 Camp of the Saints, a racist fantasy about an invasion of France and the white Western world by a fleet of starving, dark-skinned refugees that was most recently republished by Tanton’s Social Contract Press.
(Interestingly, Crisis claims that Bascio’s book was put out by “Authorhouse,” of Bloomington, Ind. In fact, its first publisher was American Free Press, a hate group founded by Holocaust denier Willis Carto that also publishes an anti-Semitic and conspiracy-minded weekly.)
Given its recommended reading list, is should be no surprise that Spencer’s answer to the question “Is Multiculturalism Evil” is a resounding yes. Tipping his cap to his Catholic publisher, he denounces multiculturalism as a “heresy” intent on “[d]enigrating and ultimately destroying the Judeo-Christian West, not stamping out some putative racist devaluation of other cultures.”
“Today, no one questions the idea that one culture is as good as another,” he writes in shocked tones. “No one even whispers the possibility that the achievements of one group in a given area (for instance, medieval Christians) might actually surpass those of another group. No one even dares to think that there might be better indicators of the quality of an endeavor than the number of different ethnicities of the people involved.”
“Multiculturalism in reality is an anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, anti-Western exercise in moral and cultural Relativism. … A true multiculturalist hates all forms of Christianity and Judeo-Christian civilization, but retains particular contempt and bile for manifestations of Catholic piety and culture.”
In one particularly hypocritical section, Spencer complains that “European multiculturalists, working willingly in tandem with Islamic supremacists” are trying to enforce the Islamic prohibition against insulting Mohammad by extending anti-hate speech laws to Muslims, while ignoring insults to “the dominant Judeo-Christian culture.”
It is true, as Spencer says, that free speech is valued in the West – but unlike America, many European countries have laws against hate speech, and Spencer’s suggestion that they privilege Muslims is patently absurd. In 2005, for example, the Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard drew a set of offensive caricatures of Mohammed whose publication in European periodicals led to a violent reaction among some hard-line Muslims, including two attempts on Westergaard’s life. The cartoonist wasn’t prosecuted for hate speech against Muslims. Rather, he was placed under permanent police protection. On the other hand, in the same year, authorities in Austria arrested British national David Irving for denying the Holocaust. He was convicted and jailed in early 2006.
Spencer further complains about supposed “double standards” in academia, which he claims is controlled by multiculturalists who hate the West. Inconveniently, Anthony Esolen – whose Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization is on Spencer’s recommended reading list – is currently employed as a professor at Providence College.
Despite his bile, it’s no surprise that Crisis should find Spencer appealing. While claiming that it “explores and articulates the subjects of politics, business, culture, faith, and family life from a Catholic perspective,” the magazine – like Patrick Buchanan, a famous Catholic who has recently written several articles for Crisis – obviously has no interest in the church’s pro-immigration stance. Its interim editor, John Zmirak, has contributed numerous articles to VDARE (which, oddly, has also published anti-Catholic screeds – including a recent attack on the church’s embrace of immigrants). Zmirak has also written for David Horowitz’s conservative and anti-Muslim FrontPageMagazine, to which his contributions include a highly positive review of “Gods and Generals,” a 2003 Civil War drama that minimized the role of slavery and was wildly popular in neo-Confederate circles.
on November 9th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Big surprise here, all Islamaphobes are bigots and racists and anti-semites. They hate anyone not christian and white and particularly hate Muslims because more and more people are converting to Islam (voluntarily, no matter what lies the nasty Islamaphobes tell) and eventually will surpass Christianity as the worlds largest religion.
on November 9th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
To think I once supported and admired Robert Spencer. Now I’m even more ashamed of that fact.
on November 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Leah Nelson,
By the way, if you want a critic of Islam who is not an anti Muslim bigot, you you can check this guy out. He goes by the youtube user name of Klingschor, and he’s even made several videos refuting the claims of people like Robert Spencer.
Al-Taqqiyyah & Philhellenes DEBUNKED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ideo_title
Thunderf00t PWNed – Islam & Terrorism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ure=relmfu
Thunderf00t, Islam & Terrorism: Addendum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....h_response
He doesn’t even like people like Robert Spencer, Nor does he like anti Muslim bigots in general.
on November 10th, 2011 at 12:46 am
Medieval Christians? Really? I thought it was generally accepted that, during the Middle Ages, Europe was generally less technologically advanced than the Middle East and China.
on November 10th, 2011 at 1:30 am
I hate to say this, (and I really, really do), but Gods and Generals really has nothing to do with the impact of slavery in the South. It was a biopic of Thomas ‘Stonewall’ Jackson.
As such, I think that was an unnecessary dig. That being said, anything that makes Spencer, et al look bad is potentially fair game. So what do I know?
on November 10th, 2011 at 2:47 am
Idiots with no evidence to back up their claims like to appropriate the term “Politically Incorrect”, to make it seem like the only reason the academic community laughs at their claims is due to a massive conspiracy. In any case, Spencer is a pathological liar, has no qualifications to speak about history or Islam, and employs tactics commonly used by anti-Semites.
And as for the accomplishments of “Western civilization”, note that it made the most progress pretty much whenever it was either not Christian, or when the church’s power in society was taken away.
on November 10th, 2011 at 7:09 am
“Medieval Christians? Really? I thought it was generally accepted that, during the Middle Ages, Europe was generally less technologically advanced than the Middle East and China.”
People like Spencer have an easy method of handwaving that all away in two words: Political correctness. Political correctness, when invoked in this way, means “I can’t back up my claims with hard evidence, so I accuse the entire academic community of plotting against me!”
on November 10th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Mediaeval Europe? You mean when they thought the Earth was flat, didn’t have the concept of zero, had a bunch of celibate clergy who thought that if they had penile pulsations, those were caused by witches (who had to be burned), and the average Christian, high-born or humble, took fewer baths in his lifetime than a Muslim is required to take in a day? When illiteracy was almost total in lay circles, and when the sadistic slaughter of most of Europe’s cats was followed by eruption of rats and plagues? When, in some areas, the population imploded because so many women were butchered by this same Inquisition as biologically heretical? Oh, *that* mediaeval Europe! Too bad, isn’t it, that such a culture was ever contaminated by evil Mooslins, with their fancy ideas of algebra, chemistry, sanitation, navigation, and usable numbers, and that we aren’t still a bunch of effing idiots who, if we live to grow up at all, die at the age of thirt-five! Dammit, Mr. Spencer, thanx for cluing us in!!!
on November 10th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Is this journalism or a hit piece? The majority of the “expose” was focused on, Crisis, that published Robert Spencer’s article on, Is Multicuturalism Evil?
I have seen Robert Spencer’s article published in several publications yet the SPLC focuses on Crisis. Now if the SPLC wants to attack “Crisis” that is good as a stand alone but conflating the Spencer to Crisis is yellow journalism.
If you can prove that Spencer is involved in the day to day operations of “Crisis” and is responsible for the publications content – you would have a legitimate story.
That said, Why don’t you focus on the content of Spencer’s words, objectively if you can, rather than lowering the stature of the SPLC.
My observation is the SPLC is morphing into one of the hate groups itself has made a mission of exposing. Proof of this is that only 3-4 paragraphs were commenting on Spencer’s article. The rest of the SPLC piece was attacking Crisis and conflating Crisis/Spencer which is a false assumption in and of itself.
FYI – America is not a multi-cultural society. America is a Multi-Ethnic Society where, out of the many one unique American Culture prevails. Thus E Pluribus Unum
Multi Culturalism is the Great Divider NOT the Uniter of Americas rich and diverse citizenry.
E Pluribus Unum – Out of Many One
on November 10th, 2011 at 10:33 am
…..Jean Raspail’s 1973 Camp of the Saints, a racist fantasy about an invasion of France and the white Western world by a fleet of starving, dark-skinned refugees that was most recently republished by Tanton’s Social Contract Press…………..
I recently read this fascinating book. Given that the worlds population has grown from 1 billion in 1900 to 7 billion just last week, I think terming the book a fantasy is a disservice.
Lets face reality folks, the world does kind of seem to be spinning out of control, what with the debt crises in Europe, and our own precarious economic condition right here at home. Then there is China, which must add 29 million new jobs per annum to keep their ship afloat. Considerable public unrest over there that doesnt make too many headlines.
Africas population is expected to double and hit 1 billion sometime in the near future. Given the rather dysfunctional nature of that continent, one must wonder how those people are going to eat.
Scarce resources, technological displacement of human labor (unemployment), bloated government/social welfare, civic unrest and on and on.
To write off the book as not likely is one thing. To call it racist fantasy is to ignore the worlds reality. Of course, I am sure that everything is really just fine, and they can all come to America as the Open Borders crowd desires.
on November 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Let me ask a question here. Is multi-culturalism the historic planetary norm? Everywhere? I dont think so. (Some will point out Spain under the muslims, but the relationship was dhimmi.)
China was closed for centuries. Japan is to this day. (No rioting during the tsunami, hmmmmm.) America early on was indisputably a white christian European amalgam. South America was…….south American.
Frankly, i dont see anything unnatural about folks resisting a massive, forced disruption of the staus quo. I was born in 1959, lived in a nice middle class suburb all of my life, and was perfectly happy. We didnt even lock the doors at night.
I have lived in Germany and Japan, and happen to love being exposed to other cultures. But if I am not mistaken, last year there were more mexican babies born in american than american.
Now obviously just making that observation paints me as a racist. My point is simply this – I have no problem with diversity until it threatens to overun the status quo. Then I will stand up and take notice.
That is what you finally see happening here and to a large extent in Europe. Massive population shifts, urged on by certain elements, are going to cause consternation on the part of the indigenous population.
And the demographics dont lie. It seems that those breeding at the most prodigious rates are those least able to support their offspring. Hundreds of millions of 18 – 24 males with little opportunity for employment or advancement. That is a problem, like it or not. And Camp of the Saints, “racist fantasy” that it was, explored this problem.
Attempting to stifle this legitimate dialogue through smears and name calling – racist, bigot, hateful – in the name of political correctness is the typical leftist response, and not in the least productive.
If population growth remains unchecked, the world is in for even worse problems. There are many factors to be considered on population, immigration and assimilation, none of which are entertained in this article.
on November 10th, 2011 at 11:02 am
In 2005, for example, the Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard drew a set of offensive caricatures of Mohammed whose publication in European periodicals led to a violent reaction among some hard-line Muslims……………
A fine double standard at work here. Christianity is constantly drubbed in the media and the courts, and yet I dont hear many complaints from the Left in its defense.
Whats the matter with the cartoons, offending Christians is OK but not muslims? Have you ever seen any cartoons from the Middle East depicting jews? No problem there either I suppose.
on November 10th, 2011 at 11:16 am
One last little note for now. For the Hatewatch column, I sure am feeling a lot of hate from this author.
Whew! Seems to have a zero tolerance policy with any disagreement to the multi-culti agenda.
on November 10th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Louis Stouch,
You Wrote,
“Whew! Seems to have a zero tolerance policy with any disagreement to the multi-culti agenda.”
Than why were you allowed to post your comments here in the first place?
on November 10th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
“Let me ask a question here. Is multi-culturalism the historic planetary norm? Everywhere? I dont think so. (Some will point out Spain under the muslims, but the relationship was dhimmi.)”
Faulty question, but short answer, yes. Every major culture in the world has influence from cultures around it.
Those who whine about “multi-culturalism” seem to have no problem with the idea when they are talking European peoples.
on November 10th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Louis,
You say you lived in Japan; I did once, too. I saw Christmas trees, Buddhist temples, and American fast food restaurants, not to mention a writing system that is comprised of both Chinese characters (kanji), and native phonetics (hiragana and katakana). It didn’t seem very closed to me.
on November 10th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Some of the comments here by Spencer’s defenders are almost as absurd as his article, which I actually read all the way through. I’ll restrict my own comments to two points.
First, in response to RTR, Crisis magazine has earned itself some scrutiny by giving a platform to some of the loudest bigots in the anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim chorus, including (besides Spencer) Patrick Buchanan and Geert Wilders. By seemingly backing their positions, it is also taking a position contrary to the Catholic church’s official stances toward immigration and ethnicity.
Second, let’s not let the extremists hijack the debate by their framing of the issue. “Multiculturalism,” the way its opponents use it, is just a cleaned-up version of “racial mixing” or “miscegenation.” They oppose it for the same sorts of reasons many Southerners who used those kinds of terms were opposed to desegregation. Using newfangled intellectual-sounding terms and invoking obsolete eurocentric historical narratives is just putting lipstick on a pig.
on November 10th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Be afraid Stouch! Be very afraid!
on November 10th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Ruslan – ……..Those who whine about “multi-culturalism” seem to have no problem with the idea when they are talking European peoples…………..
I beg to differ, unless I misunderstand. There is raging debate in Euroland over immigration and the lack of assimilation, crime, sharia et al. I believe Merkel said multi-culti is a total failure? Oh no, my friend, lots of fired up folks over there, I know, I stay in touch. Forget about Andre already? And already many Euro states are tightening immigration, and looking to close their borders to unlimited travel. Much to the dismay of the EU elite.
ModerateMike – I didnt say there was no multi-culti in Japan. My suggestion was to the fact that they allow in very few foreigners, and they are thoroughly vetted – to the point they need to have job prospects with in a time certain. I checked. My other point – their society is much more homogenous, to their betterment. No rioting (London) or looting, even after a devastating tsunami. They have a culture, not a stew. Just like we used to.
I will add one point. Multi-culti is fine and good upto a point. When the indigenous population begins to feel threatened by numbers so as to become a minority, what, you think were just gonna sit here and say geez thats great?
All things in moderation is a good motto.
on November 10th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Louis,
“I will add one point. Multi-culti is fine and good upto a point. When the indigenous population begins to feel threatened by numbers so as to become a minority, what, you think were just gonna sit here and say geez thats great?
All things in moderation is a good motto.”
and what “indigenous” population would you belong to?
the Navajo, The Blackfoot, the Iroquois?
cause if you are not a member of those groups, and live in america, you can just shove your hate speech
on November 10th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Have you even seen Robert Spencer’s face ? I would’t exactly describe him as white.
on November 10th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
The problem Louis, is that European leaders like Merkel need to misdirect people’s anger to cover up their own incompetence. Keep in mind she is still trying to save the EU, and things do not get more multi-cultural than that. In fact xenophobia is a common accusation made against anyone who resists the EU, even though most people just didn’t want to be run by Germany.
European immigration is not as loose as people like you think it is, and Japanese immigration is not as tight. I found immigration and naturalization in Japan appears easier than the same for Russia, and if I remember correctly(I posted this info on this blog about a month ago) it was easier than in the US.
“No rioting (London) or looting, even after a devastating tsunami. They have a culture, not a stew. Just like we used to.”
This is a really bad comparison, plus there were plenty of English youth involved in the riots and looting.
on November 10th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
One more thing, a major reason for any discussion of tightening travel restrictions in the EU is massive immigration from the newer Eastern European member states, particularly Poland.
on November 11th, 2011 at 8:21 am
“When the indigenous population begins to feel threatened by numbers so as to become a minority, what, you think were just gonna sit here and say geez thats great?”
There’s a difference between the right to feel threatened and the moral license (and wisdom) to act upon those feelings in any way desired. I have never said that we should be passive about immigration; what I object to is the lack of objectivity and pragmatism in the immigration discussion. For example, in our zeal to eject undocumented immigrants who have already put down roots here, we have separated families, made children afraid to attend school, and lost whatever sales revenue and consumption tax revenue that we previously realized when immigrants could still walk the streets without fear. How are unparented, uneducated children supposed to assimilate? How does the ejection of millions of customers help businesses? It is possible to have an immigration system that is more selective and orderly, while avoiding the problems that I mentioned above by forgiving the people who are already here.
on November 11th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Lou,
“When the indigenous population begins to feel threatened by numbers …”
That’s the problem in a nutshell: The “feeling” of being threatened is a totally irrational response. What, really, is the threat if someone new moves into the neighborhood bringing some different habits or values? Is it the threat that you might have to recognize that your own habits or values aren’t the only possibilities and might not even be the best? Unless you automatically assume that “different” means “bad” (which is simply xenophobia), that’s about the only real threat, the threat to your complacency and comfort zone. Pretty small cause for the kind of immoderate rhetoric and behavior we’re seeing from the far right.
on November 11th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Well there are some good opposite points of view made here, and it is certainly refreshing not to just be bashed as an absolute hater.
I’ll have to come back later today.
on November 11th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
“This is a really bad comparison, plus there were plenty of English youth involved in the riots and looting.”
Uh-huh. And who exactly were those “English youth” who took part in the riots? Oh yeah, the chavs (or whiggers, as we call them here in U.S) – the whites who have thoroughly Africanized themselves due to having lived in close proximity to the black thugs from West Indies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAGTE_RGN4c
on November 11th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
It’s funny how some idiots think the riots in England were caused by blacks and Asians only when there plenty of white youths involved. I can pull up numerous photos off the Internet disproving that nonsense. An English area called Croydon was one of the hardest hit areas and it’s all white and was damaged by white youths. And yeah, if you’re not part of any Native American group, you’re not really indigenous to the U.S.
on November 11th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
As for multiculturalism, as others brilliantly pointed, that exists everywhere in the world. Everything is influenced by something. Nothing and no one lives in a vacuum.
on November 11th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Hlodweg is another delusional, racist assclown who thinks everybody not white is bad. Did you know most of the wars that occured in world history were started by Europeans against Europeans in Europe? Did you know there are white gangs both here in the U.S. and abroad? I guess a person like Deryl Dedmon is not a thug because of what he did and his beliefs. What a pathetic excuse for a human you are. So, anytime a white person does something bad it’s because he or she had some contact with a non-white person. That is so laughable and stupid at the same time. I guess what you’re saying is if a white person commits a crime, he or she shouldn’t be responsible, but instead blame a non-white person he or she met in the past. Wow, that’s some grade A stupidity.
on November 11th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
“Uh-huh. And who exactly were those “English youth” who took part in the riots? Oh yeah, the chavs (or whiggers, as we call them here in U.S) – the whites who have thoroughly Africanized themselves due to having lived in close proximity to the black thugs from West Indies.”
Sorry, but white is white. Remember, if race matters, and behavior and race are related, then proximity shouldn’t matter. You’re not one of them Boasian types, are you?
on November 11th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
1. and what “indigenous” population would you belong to? the Navajo, The Blackfoot, the Iroquois? cause if you are not a member of those groups, and live in america, you can just shove your hate speech.
Oh please. The entire history of this planet is one of conquest and subjugation. Please stay relevant to the discussion at hand.
2. Mitch Beales said, on November 10th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Be afraid Stouch! Be very afraid!
I am not afraid, Mitch. I am however prepared.
3. tightening travel restrictions in the EU is massive immigration from the newer Eastern European member states, particularly Poland…………
Lets not forget Russia and East Germany. I have a very good friend in Frankfurt, and the people are none to happy about it. It seems that these immigrants, too, are adept at milking the social welfare system.
4. For example, in our zeal to eject undocumented immigrants who have already put down roots here, we have separated families etc etc etc.
Well, for one thing, an awful lot of those wages they earn go home. Just ask Western Union. Further, the males came up to work, and left the family home until roots were established. Thus goes poof the separated family argument. Blanket amnesty just doesnt get it for me, you may as well just open the border to all comers if you do that. Cause another 11 million will come, and wait until we do it again. Bad precedent.
Has anyone ever visited the La Raza website? Do so, please. You might be alarmed at the rhetoric yourself.
5. The “feeling” of being threatened is a totally irrational response. What, really, is the threat if someone new moves into the neighborhood bringing some different habits or values………..
Tell that to the North American Indians. Nuff said on that.
on November 11th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
“You say you lived in Japan; I did once, too. I saw Christmas trees, Buddhist temples, and American fast food restaurants, not to mention a writing system that is comprised of both Chinese characters (kanji), and native phonetics (hiragana and katakana). It didn’t seem very closed to me.”
All except for one thing – are any of of these cultural importations the kind that result in demographic displacement of the Japanese people in their own country? In contrast to the native white French, who are according to some unofficial estimates now make up no more than 71% of France’s population, the Japanese are still at well over 98% of their own country’s population. And furthermore, has the acceptance of these aforementioned cultural imports translated into Japanese people’s desire TO BE outbred and outnumbered in their own native land by outsiders? And really, your very logic of using writing systems, religious practices and foods as an evidence for support of multiculturalism in absurd and asinine. The Vietnamese use a variant of a European-made Latin alphabet to write their language, does that mean that they want white people to come en masse and colonize their country? Of course not. As a matter of fact, upon achieving independence Vietnam expelled all of the European community that had resided there since the French colonial rule. Perhaps you are also aware of how Italian dishes and pastries are very popular in Libya and Tunisia? Did that mean that the those countries’ Muslim Arabs liked Italian people themselves and wanted them in their lands? Italians once made up at least 15% of Libya’s and 10% of Tunisia’s populations, even after WWII. And when both of those countries gained independence, what was the first thing they did? Expelled all the Italians, along with other European descended residents. Basically, acceptance or liking some aspects of other people’s cultures is not by means an acceptance of those other people themselves.
on November 11th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Hey, Stouch. If you keep stealing my thunder, maybe I can retire from posting.
Once again the SPLC’s blogger has puposely confused immigration with illegal immigration which is a euphanism for invasion.Western society has certianly had its share of dubious deeds. But we need to look at where people tend immigrate (or invade) TO and where they’re coming FROM to make a rational judgment. Western societies win hands down.
Those of us who want to keep it that way oppose miliculturalism because we like our way of life. If you don’t, try emmigrating to Zimbabwe.
I am a proud native American. I was born here to indiginous white parents. We took it from people who had taken it from someone else. We were able to secure it because we had the will and much better technology. We then welcomed those people we took the country from into our fold and gave them the option to refuse.
Today we are stupid because we still have superior technology but have some uncontrolable urge to give everything we have achieved away to people that reject our culture and plan to destroy it. We do this with a tactic called political correctness which is defined simply as: if you don’t agree with me you’re a racist hater. We call these people leftists.
on November 12th, 2011 at 2:22 am
First this: “Oh please. The entire history of this planet is one of conquest and subjugation. Please stay relevant to the discussion at hand.”
Then this. “Tell that to the North American Indians. Nuff said on that.”
Contradictions.
Here are the facts; Western European countries have low birthrates. If they are going to maintain their economies and social welfare systems, the latter being the basis for their high standards of living, someone needs to pay the taxes. Who’s going to do it?
on November 12th, 2011 at 8:31 am
“Oh please. The entire history of this planet is one of conquest and subjugation. Please stay relevant to the discussion at hand.” – Louis Stouch
True, but he’s right. Indigenous is indigenous and you’re indigenous to North America.
“I am not afraid, Mitch. I am however prepared.” – Louis Stouch
Prepared for what? Are you planning to turn Turner Diaries into reality?
“Lets not forget Russia and East Germany. I have a very good friend in Frankfurt, and the people are none to happy about it. It seems that these immigrants, too, are adept at milking the social welfare system.” – Louis Stouch
I think you meant to say Germany, not East Germany, since that entity hasn’t existed since 1989. Is your friend mad because they’re milking the system or because they’re milking the system while being a different ethnicity?
“Well, for one thing, an awful lot of those wages they earn go home. Just ask Western Union. Further, the males came up to work, and left the family home until roots were established. Thus goes poof the separated family argument. Blanket amnesty just doesnt get it for me, you may as well just open the border to all comers if you do that. Cause another 11 million will come, and wait until we do it again. Bad precedent.” – Louis Stouch
Yes, a man who has established an economic base will eventually bring his family with him. But the separated family thing refers to children being born in another country to illegal immigrants then having the parents sent back while the children remain without their parents. No human asked to be born and it’s not their fault they were born in that situation.
“Has anyone ever visited the La Raza website? Do so, please. You might be alarmed at the rhetoric yourself.” – Louis Stouch
I have visited that website. I’ve suggested that SPLC add them and the Mexica Movement to the hate group list.
“Tell that to the North American Indians. Nuff said on that.” – Louis Stouch
Didn’t you tell Dave “Oh, please” on that subject? And in that case, folks were hellbent on taking the land by any means necessary through wars and reservations. Is anybody not American doing that to Americans? No.
on November 12th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Once again…let’s dissect the racialists’ hilarious attempts at logical arguments!!
“In contrast to the native white French, who are according to some unofficial estimates now make up no more than 71% of France’s population, the Japanese are still at well over 98% of their own country’s population.”
“Some unofficial estimates”? From where? A Stormfront thread? EVIDENCE PLEASE! And when you whine about native white French, why don’t you ever mention massive immigration from Eastern Europe? Oh I forgot, you European multi-culturalists think that one European culture is just the same as another.
In any case, I have posted Japan’s requirements for immigration and naturalization on this site in the past. They are not terribly strict at all. In the question as to why Japanese immigration is not so high, you might want to first consider the high costs of living in Japan. Tokyo and Osaka are among the world’s most expensive cities. Tokyo has been the most expensive city in the world several times, and it might be at this time as well. Then there is a linguistic barrier which is difficult to overcome. Immigrants to France typically come from former colonies where French is still widely used.
” And furthermore, has the acceptance of these aforementioned cultural imports translated into Japanese people’s desire TO BE outbred and outnumbered in their own native land by outsiders?”
Regardless of their desires, Japanese have some of the worst birthrates in the world. They will need to start relying on immigration to replace their numbers very soon.
And please don’t complain about being “outbred”. Plenty of evidence shows that birthrates of immigrants in Europe drop dramatically within one generation even. People in industrial countries have fewer children, period.
” And really, your very logic of using writing systems, religious practices and foods as an evidence for support of multiculturalism in absurd and asinine. The Vietnamese use a variant of a European-made Latin alphabet to write their language, does that mean that they want white people to come en masse and colonize their country? Of course not.”
France invaded, conquered, and ruled Indochina as its overlord. Immigrants are not “colonizing” Europe. You need to look up the definition of colonization some time.
“As a matter of fact, upon achieving independence Vietnam expelled all of the European community that had resided there since the French colonial rule.”
They didn’t kick them out because they were white or French, but because they were colonial rulers.
” Perhaps you are also aware of how Italian dishes and pastries are very popular in Libya and Tunisia? Did that mean that the those countries’ Muslim Arabs liked Italian people themselves and wanted them in their lands? Italians once made up at least 15% of Libya’s and 10% of Tunisia’s populations, even after WWII.”
Oooh GREAT POINT. Oh wait, hold on a sec…Did Italians end up in places like Libya, Tunisia, Somalia, etc. due to the latter countries’ immigration policies, peacefully settling in, learning the language, and working for the locals? I don’t think so.
Let’s have around of applause, ladies and gentlemen, for another TERRIBLE WN argument.
” And when both of those countries gained independence, what was the first thing they did? Expelled all the Italians, along with other European descended residents.”
Are immigrants in France colonial invaders, ruling over the French people? No? Then stop whining.
These arguments might get you lots of rep on Stormfront, but you are a long way from home, and these laughable, poorly constructed analogies won’t fly here.
on November 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
………Here are the facts; Western European countries have low birthrates. If they are going to maintain their economies and social welfare systems, the latter being the basis for their high standards of living, someone needs to pay the taxes. Who’s going to do it?
Well Ruslan, thats the point that always made isnt it. Here and in Europe.
But we’ve already got 9% unemployment! And thats if you believe the government, which I dont.
Visit http://www.shadowstats.com. Run by a guy that used to compile government stats. He says real unemployment is 21%.
And the answer to this problem is more immigration?
on November 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
“Hey, Stouch. If you keep stealing my thunder, maybe I can retire from posting.
Once again the SPLC’s blogger has puposely confused immigration with illegal immigration which is a euphanism for invasion.Western society has certianly had its share of dubious deeds. But we need to look at where people tend immigrate (or invade) TO and where they’re coming FROM to make a rational judgment. Western societies win hands down.” – Dick Lancaster
I would not care if you retired from posting, but your comments are a good laugh. Illegal immigration is not a euphemism with invasion. Invasion is a military takeover or conquest of land. The people you’re talking about sneaked over a fence. And just so you know, there are immigrants living in places that are not considered western like China and Mexico.
“Those of us who want to keep it that way oppose miliculturalism because we like our way of life. If you don’t, try emmigrating to Zimbabwe.” – Dick Lancaster
Hey, Dickhead, I’m sorry to burst your little bubble, but the United States has been, is, and forever will be an ethnic stew. Nobody is saying you should like, but it’s reality. Other people have brought their culture to the U.S. with really no problem. We wouldn’t have Italian, Chinese, and Indian restaurants and parades. What does Zimbabwe have to do with this?
“I am a proud native American. I was born here to indiginous white parents. We took it from people who had taken it from someone else. We were able to secure it because we had the will and much better technology. We then welcomed those people we took the country from into our fold and gave them the option to refuse.” – Dick Lancaster
This is comment is an epic failure in U.S. history.
“Today we are stupid because we still have superior technology but have some uncontrolable urge to give everything we have achieved away to people that reject our culture and plan to destroy it. We do this with a tactic called political correctness which is defined simply as: if you don’t agree with me you’re a racist hater. We call these people leftists.” – Dick Lancaster
No, Americans are stupid because of a failing education system, young people not being taught skills to compete with other countries, and you. And there’s that buzz word: political correctness. Ooooh, so scary. What a ridiculous term. I guess to you anything that’s not white is “PC.” LOL!
I cannot speak for others, but I’m not a leftist. I don’t subscribe to political labels nor do I care for the political system. Dickhead, you’re funny.
on November 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
…Prepared for what? Are you planning to turn Turner Diaries into reality….
Absolutely not, nor have I read them. I did read the summary at Wikipedia. Its simply that I would rather have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have it.
I am not an absolute racist hater. My position has always been to take each person that I meet in life for what they are, good or bad, and then treat them accordingly.
That we all have prejudices is undeniable. I try to give everyone a chance, and keep mine under control.
As to being prepared, what would happen to society if the electrical grid went out? In todays modern inter-connected world, there are so many things that could upset the apple cart – weather, civil unrest – in a big way that not to try to be somewhat prepared for calamity is irresponsible.
on November 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I don’t practice any kind of religion for whatever reason, but to continue this assault on Islam weak at best. And from the Catholic Church no doubt. Are these people serious? Has the Catholic Church been paying any attention to recent news? These priest and their filthy behavior have very little room to open their mouths about anything. And Christianity in general has more blood on it’s hand than any other organization to date on this planet. I wish these people would step outside their own glass houses before they start the rock throwing.
on November 13th, 2011 at 1:01 am
Unemployment is the fault of those who own the means of production.
on November 14th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Unemployment is the fault of those who own the means of production………….
True, but lets not forget the role of innovation and technology. When the automobile manufacturing line was developed, woe to those that produced buggies or buggie whips.
Did make life easier for the horse, however.
on November 14th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
“Hey, Stouch. If you keep stealing my thunder, maybe I can retire from posting.”~Dick
I wish Stouch would go on and just make your thunder an afterthought than, ‘cuz it sounds like your posting retirement has been an overdue event for quite some time (at least in a comments section with people who fundamentally disagree with you and know what the hell we’re talking about!)
“Once again the SPLC’s blogger has puposely confused immigration with illegal immigration which is a euphanism for invasion.Western society has certianly had its share of dubious deeds. But we need to look at where people tend immigrate (or invade) TO and where they’re coming FROM to make a rational judgment. Western societies win hands down.”~Dick
Ah, of course, that is actually quite the rational way of looking at immigration versus illegal immigration as an ‘invasionary’ euphemism. Our European American (read White people) were certainly under a ‘rule of -self-preserving- law’ when they brought those hundreds of thousands of Africans as slaves to their ‘new world’ in the West, which they actually STOLE–err, ‘partook’ from Indians whom had been native here for several centuries before; or commit absolute Social Darwinian genocide, I can’t remember which term the Euro-centrics like to use now since they adjust their worldview to fit any pile of bovine fecal matter…
“Those of us who want to keep it that way oppose miliculturalism because we like our way of life. If you don’t, try emmigrating to Zimbabwe”.~Dick
Huh, really living up to your name aren’t with that statement, given that we’ve ALWAYS been a nation made up of multiple cultures, ethnic and racial groups, and ABSOLUTELY MADE UP OF IMMIGRANTS not originally here unless they have full Native American (read: NON-white Indian) blood. Since this reality presents itself as anathema to racists, nativists and the ‘moderate’ conservatives/patriots, they only get hot and bothered when its not the status quo (read: anyone who doesn’t have blue eyes, blonde hair, is male, straight and Protestant?) who’s calling all the shots, never mind they continue to have the most the money and institutional influence to conform history to their myopic entitlement. Any anthropologist or social studies expert worth their weight in common sense can see and conform we’re the most diverse and widely represented nation on the face of the planet since inception, so why would we go to Zimbabwe for those of us who favor a multi-cutural society emphasizing strength in that (especially as it is overwhelmingly black…or am I missing some sort of underhanded sarcasm here)?
“I am a proud native American. I was born here to indiginous white parents. We took it from people who had taken it from someone else. We were able to secure it because we had the will and much better technology. We then welcomed those people we took the country from into our fold and gave them the option to refuse.”~Dick~
You know, you fly off the handle when anyone insists your rhetoric and attitude bears REMARKABLE resemblance to a white supremacist or neo-nazi (ala Patty Buchanan) yet you see no inherent contradiction in announcing your entitlement to everything, as if your ‘people’ whoever they ay include, built and progressed America all on their own merits! Now that your in the declining demographic, I as a minority will merrily assert ethnic supremacy by taking back from you what was stolen from me and mine for centuries! There IS comprehensive logic and morality in that, isn’t there?…
“Today we are stupid because we still have superior technology but have some uncontrolable urge to give everything we have achieved away to people that reject our culture and plan to destroy it. We do this with a tactic called political correctness which is defined simply as: if you don’t agree with me you’re a racist hater. We call these people leftists”.~Dick Lancaster~
We call you people (I’m sorry, your group of affiliates who DOES have every right to a dissenting opinion) hypocrites, self-loathers, Negative Nancys and straight up Reactionaries! I, as well as all other liberals and progressives are not for our ‘culture’ (whatever that may be defined as) being destroyed, but being peacefully integrated to allow differences to exist as we dwell on the same living space. Open borders (which is what a SUPER-majority of the public across the political spectrum DOES NOT want) are not the solution, but a more pragmatic policy and humane approaching to our fellow and otherwise innocent men (and women) isn’t too much to ask for anybody (especially when you remember that the average U.S. citizen is three times as likely to commit a felony or crime than any immigrant and actually STABILIZE economies by taking on low-wage/working class jobs nobody else wants to do, but I know, reality can be so disheartening!) We also like to apply logic, reason and those meddling facts when approaching this immigration issue and other matters, not to mention compassion and decency. I believe some medical experts might refer to you and your ilk lacking this as ‘sociopathic’, ‘narcissistic’, ‘retarded’,'d**khead’,'a**hole’ and worse; but its all fair game when your just straight shootin’, calling it like it is!…
on November 14th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Louis Stouch said,
ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2011 AT 6:39 PM
1. and what “indigenous” population would you belong to? the Navajo, The Blackfoot, the Iroquois? cause if you are not a member of those groups, and live in america, you can just shove your hate speech.
Oh please. The entire history of this planet is one of conquest and subjugation. Please stay relevant to the discussion at hand.
(Yes let’s stay relevant to the subject at hand, which appears to be that, by your logic, since everyone else is doing it, it must be alright, logical and totally moral to follow through on; no fatal ‘groupthink’ to go along with that ‘take’ on reality!)
2. Mitch Beales said, on November 10th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Be afraid Stouch! Be very afraid!
I am not afraid, Mitch. I am however prepared.
(Prepared for…what? Something that is unsaid, unlikely and manifestly non-existent? It can be a scary world outside the door that is your world indeed, but that doesn’t mean you should get offended if I say you need to get out more…)
3. tightening travel restrictions in the EU is massive immigration from the newer Eastern European member states, particularly Poland…………
Lets not forget Russia and East Germany. I have a very good friend in Frankfurt, and the people are none to happy about it. It seems that these immigrants, too, are adept at milking the social welfare system.
(Like how Republicans, the Tea Party and conservative activists keep trolling on about how the liberals, minorities and immigrants screwed our economy and blew up our deficits, and not the Wall Street and lobbying fat cats that are their monetary bread and butter? Your friend makes a clever if not entirely accurate observation!…)
4. For example, in our zeal to eject undocumented immigrants who have already put down roots here, we have separated families etc etc etc.
Well, for one thing, an awful lot of those wages they earn go home. Just ask Western Union. Further, the males came up to work, and left the family home until roots were established. Thus goes poof the separated family argument. Blanket amnesty just doesnt get it for me, you may as well just open the border to all comers if you do that. Cause another 11 million will come, and wait until we do it again. Bad precedent.
(That’s almost like when our government justified interning ALL or even any Japanese Americans behind concentration camps after Pearl Harbor regardless of their manifest national origin and loyalty to the U.S. in fighting against the Axis Powers, including Fascist Japan, during WW2. Of course, if we stopped purchasing/utilizing such a large number of illegal drugs that keeps narcotic cartels and corrupt mafia groups in de facto majority over Mexican politics and life, they may not NEED nor WANT to cross that border by the millions, if at all anymore…after all, how many of us in America would immigrate elsewhere now to likely never be able return, if given the serious chance?)
Has anyone ever visited the La Raza website? Do so, please. You might be alarmed at the rhetoric yourself.
(That may be, but I bet they can’t hold a bobby pin-sized candle to the fact-free, uninhibited, unpredictable and fuming hate speech I’ve come across from Newsbusters, Fox News, Michelle Malkin’s/Ann Coulter’s/Pamela Gellar’s blog, StormFront, The Council of Conservative Citizens, Tea Party Nation, National Review, the National Rifle Association, World Net Daily and the whole anti-communist, Reich-wing media complex, but I’m sure you can find and cite here more than enough ‘examples’ to make a false equivalency argument to what’s touted there!)
5. The “feeling” of being threatened is a totally irrational response. What, really, is the threat if someone new moves into the neighborhood bringing some different habits or values………..
Tell that to the North American Indians. Nuff said on that. (Actually, take off the entitlement and revisionist blinders to tell that to all the European White Caucasians who brought their infectious diseases, raping/non-monogamous procreative habits and ‘pro-Christian’ nativism to ‘taming the savage beasts’ present on their new nation to ‘be founded on all men being created equal’ before renouncing their African-American volunteers to 3/5′s a person status in elections; NOW ‘enuff said!)
on November 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I have come to the conclusion that my time here is not well spent.
Everyone has some reasonable arguments. Frankly, I think that “the system”, for lack of a better word, is broken. Too many people, too many special interests. Its no wonder nothing gets done in Washington.
Ruslan, its been fun and I wish you the best.
Given the above, and the fact that about half my posts are censored – those usually being well documented facts, but detrimental to the SPLC agenda – I am signing off.
on November 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Oh, I am sure I wont be missed, either.
on November 15th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
So long. To be honest, I’m going to take a break for a while too. I trust this newcomer, Ithink, can more than adequately handle the racist trolls who drop in from time to time.
on November 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Racist trolls, and by implication therefore, me?
I rescind my wishing you the best, Ruslan.
on November 16th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Well “racist” trolls refers to the people who drop in here from Stormfront or VNN.
on November 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Thank u, Mr. Ruslan! Although your presence is much desired and approved of by the rational and reality-based readers and followers of the SPLC and its publications! Please don’t stay away for so long…
As my point’s been again proven, the ‘trolls’ (and that’s too P.C. of a term even for them) whine and moan about their 1st amendment rights around these and other corridors (which it manifestly states DOES NOT cover hate speech or subjective ‘fighting words’) and seriosusly expect their myopic opinions and cherry-picked ‘facts’ to overrule actual ones and reality, both anathema to their ideology. When they have nothing else in their rhetorical arsenal, they just claim ‘censorship’ (when their comments are clearly displayed for all the Internet world to see) simply because they can’t shove all their white priviliege problems on those “stupid minort-ehs, libruls and immigrants”; well, eat your words as they are, because the ‘true’ post-racial America is indeed coming up in the next few decades like it or not. For those (read ‘politically uncorrect’ whites who only believe in racism when its ‘perceived’ upon their own)’ try migrating to Russia! I’ve read they have more than half the world’s neo-nazi and white nationalist groups who can fairly freely ‘take care of’ all those dissimilar looking people they can’t stand so much without having to worry about those pesky Civil Rights…