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	<title>Comments on: AFA’s Bryan Fischer: HIV Doesn’t Cause AIDS</title>
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		<title>By: Elon</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-385260</link>
		<dc:creator>Elon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 05:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilde died of a bacterial infection. That was relatively common in 1900. It is still relatively common now. I don&#039;t think that every person who died young, died of HIV. Pneumocystis on the other hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilde died of a bacterial infection. That was relatively common in 1900. It is still relatively common now. I don&#8217;t think that every person who died young, died of HIV. Pneumocystis on the other hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-384589</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

You bring up a very valid point. But I had always thought that Wilde&#039;s &#039;pneumonia&#039; was simply a euphemism for syphilis.

Though I get the feeling not many people would seek to protect the reputation of a convicted buggerer. (Mind you, I&#039;m referring to his peers. Not my own opinions.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>You bring up a very valid point. But I had always thought that Wilde&#8217;s &#8216;pneumonia&#8217; was simply a euphemism for syphilis.</p>
<p>Though I get the feeling not many people would seek to protect the reputation of a convicted buggerer. (Mind you, I&#8217;m referring to his peers. Not my own opinions.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-384208</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reynardine, there is some evidence that it was around before &quot;Patient Zero&quot;, the male airline steward. A rather promiscuous transgendered friend of Andy Warhol named Candy Darling died at age 29 in 1973 or so. I&#039;d wager that research would turn up other similar stories, among people unusually well travelled or living in port of call type cities. I always wondered about Oscar Wilde, who died of &quot;pneumonia&quot; at age 49.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reynardine, there is some evidence that it was around before &#8220;Patient Zero&#8221;, the male airline steward. A rather promiscuous transgendered friend of Andy Warhol named Candy Darling died at age 29 in 1973 or so. I&#8217;d wager that research would turn up other similar stories, among people unusually well travelled or living in port of call type cities. I always wondered about Oscar Wilde, who died of &#8220;pneumonia&#8221; at age 49.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-383788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fischer and Duesberg are both hateful bigots, plain and simple.  Duesberg is the bigger problem regarding the science of HIV as the cause of AIDS, which is clear cut and unambiguous, to quote part of the Durban Declaration.  

However, because Duesberg was at one time considered to be a credible scientist, there are those who are willing to plunge down the rabbit hole with him based on his reputation from four decades ago.  Those who do are mostly simple minded people who are too afraid to face a positive diagnosis and deal with it like a mature adult.  The mature adult will live a long, healthy life.  The denialist will not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fischer and Duesberg are both hateful bigots, plain and simple.  Duesberg is the bigger problem regarding the science of HIV as the cause of AIDS, which is clear cut and unambiguous, to quote part of the Durban Declaration.  </p>
<p>However, because Duesberg was at one time considered to be a credible scientist, there are those who are willing to plunge down the rabbit hole with him based on his reputation from four decades ago.  Those who do are mostly simple minded people who are too afraid to face a positive diagnosis and deal with it like a mature adult.  The mature adult will live a long, healthy life.  The denialist will not.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrick Stephens</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-383484</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrick Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man should be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity and facilitating genocide at the Hauige...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man should be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity and facilitating genocide at the Hauige&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-383220</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder which is more important to this quack Fischer:  killing the &quot;queers&quot; by lying about the treatments for AIDS?  Or saving money spent for treatment so that he, and those of his ilk, can get their greedy, fat, short fingers on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder which is more important to this quack Fischer:  killing the &#8220;queers&#8221; by lying about the treatments for AIDS?  Or saving money spent for treatment so that he, and those of his ilk, can get their greedy, fat, short fingers on it?</p>
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		<title>By: lgold</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-383194</link>
		<dc:creator>lgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment has nothing to do with racism. I encourage all to look at the research Peter Deusberg offers because medically it makes more sense than anything else I&#039;ve been hearing about for over a decade. Yes there are illnesses, but I am still not convinced that the &#039;official&#039; story is the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment has nothing to do with racism. I encourage all to look at the research Peter Deusberg offers because medically it makes more sense than anything else I&#8217;ve been hearing about for over a decade. Yes there are illnesses, but I am still not convinced that the &#8216;official&#8217; story is the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Linnea</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-381781</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birds of a feather...  Are we really surprised that these two idiots have joined forces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birds of a feather&#8230;  Are we really surprised that these two idiots have joined forces?</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-381425</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a nurse, and donate some of my time to a local charity that helps HIV/AIDS patients keep track of the viral loads and T Cell counts ( we help those who can not otherwise afford these vital tests)

I hereby officially invite Mr. Fisher to prove his hypothesis, by allowing me to inject him with the plasma samples we use for viral load tests, after all, if the &quot;microbe&quot; isn&#039;t responsible, he should be perfectly fine...right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a nurse, and donate some of my time to a local charity that helps HIV/AIDS patients keep track of the viral loads and T Cell counts ( we help those who can not otherwise afford these vital tests)</p>
<p>I hereby officially invite Mr. Fisher to prove his hypothesis, by allowing me to inject him with the plasma samples we use for viral load tests, after all, if the &#8220;microbe&#8221; isn&#8217;t responsible, he should be perfectly fine&#8230;right?</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-381176</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a second, isn&#039;t the American Family Association the same group formerly headed by the Rev. Donald Wildmon who used to send out hilarious letters stating that television programs like Friends were pornographic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a second, isn&#8217;t the American Family Association the same group formerly headed by the Rev. Donald Wildmon who used to send out hilarious letters stating that television programs like Friends were pornographic?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-381099</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What mainly cofuses me about this interview is not the lack of intelligence or decency - this is Bryan Fischer, after all - but how it totally contractics his previous statements.

Fischer said that men having sex with men is &quot;domestic terrorism&quot; because [i]If one of them is HIV positive, then it&#039;s just like injecting his partner with a needle with HIV.&quot; 

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fischer-gay-sex-domestic-terrorism-i-dont-know-what-else-youd-call-it

Ignore the fact that very few instances of male/male sex are between mixed-status couples or the fact that literally any other phrase in the English language is a better description of sex between men than &quot;domestic terrorism&quot;. What confuses me is how transmition of a supposedly &quot;harmless microbe&quot; is such a concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What mainly cofuses me about this interview is not the lack of intelligence or decency &#8211; this is Bryan Fischer, after all &#8211; but how it totally contractics his previous statements.</p>
<p>Fischer said that men having sex with men is &#8220;domestic terrorism&#8221; because [i]If one of them is HIV positive, then it&#8217;s just like injecting his partner with a needle with HIV.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fischer-gay-sex-domestic-terrorism-i-dont-know-what-else-youd-call-it" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightwingwatch.org/.....ud-call-it</a></p>
<p>Ignore the fact that very few instances of male/male sex are between mixed-status couples or the fact that literally any other phrase in the English language is a better description of sex between men than &#8220;domestic terrorism&#8221;. What confuses me is how transmition of a supposedly &#8220;harmless microbe&#8221; is such a concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-380986</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika, he has to conjure sin so he can smite it, of course (though I am unclear about the antecedent of &quot;it&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika, he has to conjure sin so he can smite it, of course (though I am unclear about the antecedent of &#8220;it&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-380920</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that people are ignoring the most important issue here:

why would a self proclaimed &quot;Christian&quot; on his Christian &quot;American Family Association&quot;  be discussing pornography on his radio show which could be potentially heard by children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that people are ignoring the most important issue here:</p>
<p>why would a self proclaimed &#8220;Christian&#8221; on his Christian &#8220;American Family Association&#8221;  be discussing pornography on his radio show which could be potentially heard by children?</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-380879</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and the rabies virus is not the cause of rabies. It is constantly indulging one&#039;s meaner whims, like Brian Fischer.

That said, there are certain factors that should be looked at.

1. Could the virus have been around in a subclinical form before undergoing a virulent mutation? Victorian literature contains reference to &quot;decline&quot;, where the sufferer becomes weaker and catches more and more diseases.

2. The virus is notably short-lived when not sheltering in a cell. Could it sometimes be vectored by a spirochaete? Uncircumcised men are notoriously more subject to heterosexual transmission than the circumcised, and such men often harbor a non-pathogenic spirochaete under the foreskin. Where infection patterns have sometimes suggested arthropod transmission, those areas have coincided with arbo spirochaetal diseases (e.g., yaws).

This virus can certainly be transmitted without a vector, but the patterns I found out about when I was handling an HIV caseload (admittedly long ago) led me to suspect that a spirochaetal vector boosts its contagiousness. I wonder if anyone has looked into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and the rabies virus is not the cause of rabies. It is constantly indulging one&#8217;s meaner whims, like Brian Fischer.</p>
<p>That said, there are certain factors that should be looked at.</p>
<p>1. Could the virus have been around in a subclinical form before undergoing a virulent mutation? Victorian literature contains reference to &#8220;decline&#8221;, where the sufferer becomes weaker and catches more and more diseases.</p>
<p>2. The virus is notably short-lived when not sheltering in a cell. Could it sometimes be vectored by a spirochaete? Uncircumcised men are notoriously more subject to heterosexual transmission than the circumcised, and such men often harbor a non-pathogenic spirochaete under the foreskin. Where infection patterns have sometimes suggested arthropod transmission, those areas have coincided with arbo spirochaetal diseases (e.g., yaws).</p>
<p>This virus can certainly be transmitted without a vector, but the patterns I found out about when I was handling an HIV caseload (admittedly long ago) led me to suspect that a spirochaetal vector boosts its contagiousness. I wonder if anyone has looked into this.</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin leon Moody jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin leon Moody jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well this guy is so out of it, he says that HIV is not the cause of aids, well I beg to differ and I think that those of us who have HIV will differ as well. but I expect bryan fischer to continue to say these outragous thing both now and in the future. but I hope that god will transform him into an ally soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well this guy is so out of it, he says that HIV is not the cause of aids, well I beg to differ and I think that those of us who have HIV will differ as well. but I expect bryan fischer to continue to say these outragous thing both now and in the future. but I hope that god will transform him into an ally soon.</p>
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		<title>By: The Prisoner</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-380488</link>
		<dc:creator>The Prisoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 02:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The level of ignorance in this country is appalling.  For an industrial first world nation, we should be ashamed of ourselves.  And its only going to get worse as we cut taxes to make way for bigger and better to big too fail banks and corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The level of ignorance in this country is appalling.  For an industrial first world nation, we should be ashamed of ourselves.  And its only going to get worse as we cut taxes to make way for bigger and better to big too fail banks and corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: CIA Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-378981</link>
		<dc:creator>CIA Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 01:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Birch Society member Edward Griffin also believes something similair</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Birch Society member Edward Griffin also believes something similair</p>
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		<title>By: CriticalDragon1177</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-378862</link>
		<dc:creator>CriticalDragon1177</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah Nelson,

Looks like Bryan Fischer is quick to believe anything that justifies his worldview.  Unfortunately his audience is likely to believe it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah Nelson,</p>
<p>Looks like Bryan Fischer is quick to believe anything that justifies his worldview.  Unfortunately his audience is likely to believe it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/01/06/afas-bryan-fischer-hiv-doesnt-cause-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-378856</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avoiding the obvious -- nothing need be said regarding Duesberg&#039;s and Fischer&#039;s stance on a &#039;harmless&#039; microbe (I feel like I need a shower after having written that...) -- there is a serious flaw in Fishhead&#039;s conclusion. Poppers (alkyl-nitrate ampoules used, among other purposes, to loosen the anal sphincter and ease the penetration of said region*) are NOT, I repeat NOT and CANNOT be a primary vector for HIV/AIDS. They are inhalents. And if IV drug use is the primary cause of said disease, Fischer simply contradicted himself.

But when has that ever stopped this American Embarrassment from ever opening his mouth before?

*Please forgive the explicit language used in the comment. I felt euphemism and allusion were inappropriate in this case.

PS I think Fischer needs to lay off the poppers himself. I can think of no other way any person can shove their head so far up their rectum on so many occasions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avoiding the obvious &#8212; nothing need be said regarding Duesberg&#8217;s and Fischer&#8217;s stance on a &#8216;harmless&#8217; microbe (I feel like I need a shower after having written that&#8230;) &#8212; there is a serious flaw in Fishhead&#8217;s conclusion. Poppers (alkyl-nitrate ampoules used, among other purposes, to loosen the anal sphincter and ease the penetration of said region*) are NOT, I repeat NOT and CANNOT be a primary vector for HIV/AIDS. They are inhalents. And if IV drug use is the primary cause of said disease, Fischer simply contradicted himself.</p>
<p>But when has that ever stopped this American Embarrassment from ever opening his mouth before?</p>
<p>*Please forgive the explicit language used in the comment. I felt euphemism and allusion were inappropriate in this case.</p>
<p>PS I think Fischer needs to lay off the poppers himself. I can think of no other way any person can shove their head so far up their rectum on so many occasions.</p>
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