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Neo-Confederate League of the South Espouses Posse Comitatus Ideology

By Leah Nelson on January 11, 2012 - 4:01 pm, Posted in Antigovernment, Patriot Groups, Sovereign Citizens

Affirming his group’s embrace of antigovernment “Patriot” ideology, League of the South (LOS) President Michael Hill on Monday sent members an E-Mail declaring the federal government an “organized criminal enterprise” led by “domestic terrorists” and telling his followers to prepare for a fight.

“I discourage the formation of private militias except as a last resort,” he wrote. “If your State and local officials refuse to serve the citizens and to protect them by the historic means of Nullification, Interposition, or Secession, then you may have reached the ‘last resort.’”

It’s not especially shocking that a group that advocates secession and sees the Civil War as an aggressive attack on a peaceful people would articulate these ideas, particularly in an era that has seen a significant rise in Patriot activity overall. The LOS has been drifting in this direction since at least 2007, and the rhetoric at its July 2011 national conference stressed Patriot and survivalist themes more than ever.

What is surprising, however, is how deep into Patriot territory the LOS has apparently lurched. Amidst the usual condemnations of Abraham Lincoln and talk of using states’ rights to oppose the federal government, Hill declared, “We can also use our counties as bulwarks against the criminal class. The County Sheriff is the principal peace officer in his jurisdiction. As such, he can lawfully tell the Feds to ‘Go to Hell’ and stay out of his territory. He also can deputize as many of the county’s citizens as he wishes and have them armed to the teeth. No one can over-rule him within his boundaries. Make sure your current Sheriff knows his authority and to whom he answers (you and your neighbors). If he is unwilling to use his authority for the good of the people of his jurisdiction, replace him at the first opportunity.”

These ideas come straight out of the playbook of the Posse Comitatus, a racist, anti-Semitic group that raged through the Midwest in the late 1970s and 1980s. A precursor to the modern “sovereign citizens” movement, the Posse Comitatus believed that sheriffs were the only legal law enforcers in the country.

It makes sense that Posse Comitatus and sovereign citizen ideology would appeal to the LOS. Most sovereigns base their belief they are not bound by most laws on the idea that they are “organic citizens” whose rights are God-given, as opposed to “14th Amendment citizens,” whose rights derive solely from the U.S. Constitution. Unsurprisingly, the LOS despises the 14th Amendment (which expanded the concept of citizenship to include anyone born in the United States, including blacks), calling it the most “nefarious consequence of the Reconstruction” and claiming that its ratification was illegal. (In fact, the ratification of the 14th Amendment did involve strong-arm tactics. After the Civil War, Southern states were granted re-entry into the Union only on the condition that they ratify it. Of course, America at the time had just fought the bloodiest war in her history over the issue of slavery, and extending citizenship to newly freed slaves was a vital component of Reconstruction.) Sovereign ideology allows whites to reject the 14th Amendment and proclaim themselves the true Americans, free from what they perceive as an overweening and downright criminal federal government. For the racist LOS, it would be a way to simultaneously affirm whites’ superiority over blacks and reject the portions of the Constitution they despise.

The LOS has not fully adopted sovereign citizen ideas – yet. But in mid-March, the group’s Georgia chapter will hold a symposium on “The 14th Amendment and it [sic] Legal Transformation,” exploring such topics as citizenship and “[h]ow the 14th amendment transformed our political status and system of law.” One of the speakers will be Roger Sayles – presumably, the same Roger Sayles who declared himself a sovereign citizen in 1992 and believes that the 14th Amendment applies to “the citizenship of the Negro,” not whites. Another presenter will be Pat Shannan, a conspiracy theorist who in a recent column for the anti-Semitic American Free Press praised the Montana Freeman, a heavily armed antigovernment group that in 1996 engaged in the longest police-standoff siege in U.S. history, for embodying “true Americanism.”

  • James Hallman

    First proportions do matter when speaking out about crime, welfare, etc, because if various groups, like blacks committed only 13% of the crimes in this country, instead of 50% of the homicides, as well as 50% of government subsidies, people wouldn’t have a reason to dislike them so much as a people.

    As for Corporate welfare. I’m under no illusions that their isn’t crony capitalism and unnecessary subsidies going on within our economic system.. And as far as Third Position ism goes, there’s really nothing wrong with looking at all facets of our problems rather than the dogmatism we’re seeing from both the Left and Right in this country.

    When I say we should have policies that aren’t based on the lowest denominator in our society, I mean just that! In education, we spend billions on trying to equalize kids who have below average I.Q’s while virtually ignoring those of real ability, many who come from middle class and poor families who can’t afford higher education.

    This is the reason that the A3P would be the best political party for the United States.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Those on the ‘Left’ just don’t get! When your a minority of less than 13% of the population as blacks are, and you receive welfare, commit crimes, and other detrimental factors in our society well beyond your overall numbers, than these people represent a disproportionate burden on society and should have to conform to social standards of behavior set by the majority of decent, working, taxpaying citizens.”

    First of all, as we have pointed out plenty of times- MORE whites receive what little welfare benefits the US provides, which means if we’re looking at total expenditures alone, more of that money is going to whites rather than blacks. Proportions aren’t important in this case. Also you need to look into the details of A. Why people are on welfare(hint: it’s connected to jobs and the cost of education), and B. what welfare benefits actually exist, who is eligible, and how long people actually remain on welfare benefits.

    Past studies have shown that in states with high cash benefits(a thing of the past since 1996), FEWER people were on welfare and for shorter times. The reason being is that when someone has money to take care of some basic needs, they can do things like take training courses or work harder at one job instead of taking two part-time jobs.

    The problem is you whine about welfare and taxes and yet you, like millions of other Americans, have no idea how this works. You act like welfare is some special program just for black people and other minorities, and like they don’t pay taxes.

    “Are there problems with Corporate Welfare, and other flaws within our Capitalist society, certainly! It’s for this reason we need to shift toward a ‘Third Position’ economic system.”

    Do you have any idea how many people have said this throughout history, and yet weren’t able to come up with any concrete explanation of what this would mean? But you can be the first!

    ” and a Nationalist political system that puts the people and nation before the lowest individual denominator.”

    Please explain HOW and why this would work.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AronL, Aron

    Mitch,

    ‘Third Position’ is essentially double-talk for ‘National Socialism.’ I mean, look at the make-up of the A3P, and you’ll see what I mean.

  • Mitch Beales

    James Hallman what you’re proposing sounds more like a national socialist system.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Jason Smith is wrong about many things, but that’s not the point to him. This is about his hatred of a straw man, the killer Communist and the killer black, and haters don’t let truth get in the way of fury.

    I’m just saddened that he devotes so much energy to hatred. The biggest thing hate does is consume the hater, often after leaving numerous innocent casualties in its wake. There is no long-lasting glory or triumph in hating. It leaves nothing but pain in its wake, and wastes lives.

  • James Hallman

    Those on the ‘Left’ just don’t get! When your a minority of less than 13% of the population as blacks are, and you receive welfare, commit crimes, and other detrimental factors in our society well beyond your overall numbers, than these people represent a disproportionate burden on society and should have to conform to social standards of behavior set by the majority of decent, working, taxpaying citizens.

    Are there problems with Corporate Welfare, and other flaws within our Capitalist society, certainly! It’s for this reason we need to shift toward a ‘Third Position’ economic system. and a Nationalist political system that puts the people and nation before the lowest individual denominator.

  • Sam Molloy

    As Smiley and West often point out, the recent bank bailout was not only socialist, by the definition of taking public money and giving it to one group, it also dwarfs any poverty program yet invented.

  • Snorlax

    What a bunch of LOSers.

  • A.D.M.

    My point is whites use federal assistance more. You’re using the population numbers argument. There are more whites in the U.S. population, but it doesn’t change the fact that they use it more. Jason Smith said minorities use it more. He’s wrong about that and he’s wrong about minorities being the only ones using it.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    A higher percentage, perhaps. But the fact is the majority of the money we are talking about goes to whites. And that’s not even counting farm subsidies and corporate welfare. Taking all that into account, along with historical handouts to whites, it’s clear that our financial woes are not the fault of minorities.

  • http://www.newsrake.org/index.php?action=forum dustup

    @ A.D.M. ……..

    You said: “34% of food stamp recipients in the U.S. are white, 22% are black, and 17% are Hispanic.”

    Refer to the 2010 census Blacks are only 12.33% of population and Hispanic are 15.08% ……whites were 65.87% of population, therefore there are a higher % of blacks and Hispanics on food stamps than whites…..matter of fact there are m ore blacks on food stamps than Hispanics!……you talk about being dumb ??? There are less Blacks and Hispanics than Whites……
    so what is your point ?

  • Mitch Beales

    Trillions? Last year 14% of the federal budget went for “Social Safety Net” programs and 3% for education. That’s less than 600 billion and most of it went to white folks. Of course I’m sure Jason has problems with numbers over 12, the number of fingers he has.

  • Roger

    Does the term pathological apply here? Could anyone take a steeper nosedive off the edge of the world?

  • ModerateMike

    Jason,

    If you don’t like the SPLC, the answer is simple … don’t subscribe to their literature, don’t go to their website, don’t listen to them. But those of us who do like them, will continue to follow their website and subscribe to their newsletter. It’s just plain and simple freedom of association and a free marketplace of ideas.

  • A.D.M.

    “It’s the same old con, the same old shakedown that race hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission. No people anywhere has done more to lift up minorities than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and various poverty programs. The SPLC is just another race hustling shake down organization. Their goal is just to get more money from donors.” – Jason Smith

    Guys like you are just plain dumb. Whites use food stamps and welfare more than so-called “minorities.” That’s according to the Pew Research Center and other government data. According to the PRC, 34% of food stamp recipients in the U.S. are white, 22% are black, and 17% are Hispanic. You’re just another one of these folks that are just plain dumb. If you want to talk about race hustlers, look at your boy David Duke.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and various poverty programs. ”

    Uh yeah, because none of these benefits go to white people.

    Moron.

  • Larry

    Jason Smith. You are correct. People like you exist and have for a very long time. Evil has been part of Mankind since the very beginning and will be until the end. That is why it’s very important that REAL American’s keep an eye on you, your organization and what you are doing to our “More Perfect Union”!

  • Jason Smith

    It’s the same old con, the same old shakedown that race hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission. No people anywhere has done more to lift up minorities than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and various poverty programs. The SPLC is just another race hustling shake down organization. Their goal is just to get more money from donors.

  • Dasvid young

    @ Jason Smith,
    You would have to use a real Communist to make hat point, and Stalin was NOT a real Communist, that is why his Ideology isrefered to as ‘Stalinism”!
    I will NOT go into it and educate you since you most likely wouldn’t care, I just want to make sure those a little less stupid then you gett the point!

    Also Jason, you clowns aren’t the only ones with that have the ability to get their hands on weapons, and we’re waiting for you morons to make a move!
    You fools just keep pretending you have the numbers, just remember that those of the REAL numbers aren’t going to be fooled by your bozo math, we know how few you are, even if you just can’t accept it!

  • Reynardine

    Jason, Stalin was white, a lot of his victims were Asians, the whole matter is irrelevant anyway, people aren’t “communists” because you say so, and this is what happens when you go off meds.

  • Mitch Beales

    Jason Smith I don’t suppose you have any documentation for your claims. Your sort never does. And why leave Hitler and other “pro-white” monsters out of your diabolical arithmetic?

  • Matt

    Freedom we still have it ;o)

  • Jim Carlson

    The so-called ‘sovereign citizen’ movement is just garden variety sociopathy tarted up with pseudo-legalistic nonsense that wouldn’t pass muster in a first year law class.

    A criminal is a criminal.

  • Phil

    Alan Aardman,

    “If a unified front were to emerge, the situation could deteriorate drastically.”

    Not to worry, Ron Paul has his Paulistas working very hard on achieving this goal…..

  • Jason Smith

    Karen: YOU are the threat! Communism murdered 100 million people during the 20th century. Stalin sent 40 million White people to Gulags as slaves! All you people at the SPLC are Communists.

    Let’s look at orders of magnitude. 40 million people were sent as SLAVES to the Gulags in the 20th Century. In the preceeding 400 years only 400,000 Blacks were brought to America as slaves. Let’s divide 40 million by 400,000 and we get a factor of 10,000. That is four orders of magnitude. Thus I can argue that Communists like you are at least four orders of magnitude more evil than any pro-White person like myself.

  • Karen, a tired old lesbian

    Jason Smith, the reason the SPLC subscribes to newsletters of kook organizations is to that it can determine whether threats exist to the peace of our country and assist law enforcement if necessary.

    Extremist groups are a threat to democracy and to individual citizens.

    That is why we have the SPLC. Thank god.

  • ModerateMike

    “I say to the SPLC: Get over it! People like me exist, we’re here, and we’re not going away, so just get used to it.”

    I take it that LOS would not object to a similar statement from a black person.

  • Alan Aardman

    Disparate groups such as the LOS and the Posse Comitatus is a bit alarming: one of the biggest impediments to racists in the US is their highly fractious nature. If a unified front were to emerge, the situation could deteriorate drastically.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Jason, you sound like another person who doesn’t understand that freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

  • Jason Smith

    If you folks at the SPLC don’t like the League of the South, the answer is simple … don’t subscribe to their literature, don’t go to their website, don’t listen to them. But those of us who do like them, will continue to follow their website and subscribe to their newsletter. It’s just plain and simple freedom of association and a free marketplace of ideas.

    I say to the SPLC: Get over it! People like me exist, we’re here, and we’re not going away, so just get used to it.

  • Gregory

    You can’t spell “loser” without LOS.

  • CIA Jon

    these people need to lighten up
    be happy

  • DrMJG

    LOS and other such groups will only make more noise before the 2012 elections. In AZ there is already a sheriff who feels his way is the only legal law enforcement way in his county. And, in some smaller counties I would suspect a few others feel that way as well. For now, we all must continue to shine very bright lights upon these immoral vermin.