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Campus Group Weighs in on South African Violence Targeting Whites
Youth for Western Civilization, an ultraconservative student group sworn to protect the West from the perils of multiculturalism, has issued a report claiming the South African government is responsible for “orchestrat[ing] the systematic slaughter of the white community.”
“The worst fears of the so called ‘radicals’ of the white minority that were discounted in the early 1990s now have come true,” YWC member Matthew Heimbach wrote Monday. “What resulted in South Africa under the communist backed African National Congress instead of a multicultural paradise has become a land in which white citizens have been placed under animalistic attacks.”
What Heimbach is referring to, in no uncertain terms, is the end of apartheid – an event celebrated around the world. But his analysis of history goes on to describe the African National Congress, a political party whose members have included Nobel Laureate Nelson Mandela, as nothing shy of a “terrorist group” intent on a scorched earth policy of white genocide.
Indeed, there is violence. Genocide Watch, an international organization that studies global genocide, has reported heavily on South Africa in recent years. In 2010, the website reported on a petition asking for the United Nations to intervene in the country.
“No doubt that the perpetrators of the crime against humanity of apartheid has [sic] become the victims of those people whom they oppressed during the years of apartheid,” the petition read.
But YWC takes that one step further. Instead of seeing the violence as an unfortunate byproduct of a complicated struggle for national unity after years of brutal division in South Africa, these Young Turks of the far right argue that multiculturalism doesn’t work –– and the violence is proof enough.
Unsurprisingly, Heimbach is no stranger to white nationalism. A member of the neo-Confederate League of the South (LOS) and a student at Towson State University in Maryland, he has compared YWC’s mission as a stand against “rampant multiculturalism.” Last summer, he wrote that there was an organized network of radical Islamists “pushing for Islamic domination over Christianity and the entire Western world.” He went on to call on “Westerners” to “resist the destruction of our entire way of life.”
This article, it’s worth noting, is no different in its tone. And it comes as YWC prepares to share a platform next month with other conservative leaders at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington, D.C. At last year’s CPAC, YWC held a panel discussion on the marginalization of white Americans, during which the group’s honorary chairman, former congressman Tom Tancredo, described immigration as “a dagger aimed at the heart of Western civilization.”
on January 13th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
When the Soviet Army invaded East Prussia they used mass rape as a means of ethnic cleansing. Especially, the rape of children. Königsberg, the birthplace of Emmanuel Kant, famous for the mathematical problem of seven bridges, is no longer a German city. There are no ethnic Germans living there today. It’s now called Kaliningrad and only Russians live there. Look it up on the map. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote about the mass rape of German children in his poem, “Prussian Nights,”
“The little daughter’s on the mattress,
Dead. How many have been on it
A platoon, a company perhaps?
A girl’s been turned into a woman,
A woman turned into a corpse.”
We only need look at the example of South Africa to see what the future holds for America. Mass rapes of White women and children are happening right now in South Africa. This is the true plan of the Leftists for us. Their goal has nothing to do with ‘civil rights’ or ‘social justice’. That’s just a smoke screen.
on January 13th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
The attacks on white South Africans are reprehensible.
on January 13th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Instead of seeing the violence as an unfortunate byproduct of a complicated struggle for national unity after years of brutal division in South Africa,
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There you go, justifying violence against whites!
All white on anyone else violence — horrors, lynchings, genocides, Holocaust!
All violence against whites by non-whites, “it’s complicated.”
See that white people! If you get raped, robbered, murdered and left in a ditch by “underprivileged minorities” the SPLC will make excuses for the murderers.
on January 13th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
By all good reason and logic, this should put to bed any casting doubts in good people’s heads that Youth for Western Civilization (whatever the hell that propulsively reflexive term means) is an unabashedly fringe Right reincarnation of the KKK for college kiddies, minus the robes, lynchings, and cross burnings plus extra delusion and self-pity of what is an inevitably changing ‘Western Civilization i.e. America.’ Hopefully, no national radio or T.V. outlets of the ‘endlessly dreaded and censorious’ li-berul media will put their shtick on mainstream display, it’ll be non-stop Teabagging & Republican trolling from here until Obama’s re-election and beyond…
on January 13th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Another so called social historian cockroach exposes himself in public as nothing more than someone who hates anything non-white.
on January 14th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Matt and Jeronimus,
You’re absolutely right. As a leftist, my final goal is to see all white women raped. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Seriously, you two would be hilarious if I didn’t think you were being earnest…
on January 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
@DrMJG,
Such an intelligent rebuttal! Calling them a cockroach — wow you, really convinced me! I’m not even sure what “social historian cockroach” you are talking about, but it’s funny how all anti-whites like you and the grandiosely delusional “Ruslan Emir Khan ov” have any more is name calling (mostly variations of “you’re stupid” and “you’re evil”).
@Jason,
You are absolutely right — South Africa is the ghost of America’s future.
on January 14th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
^You know, President Clinton did a college commencement address not long ago where he talked about the legacy of slavery in America and that all its citizens we’re still paying the price for it present day; since he was so unfortunately naive to have done this around 9/11, the reich-wingers & their establishment media took it as him saying we deserved to be terrorized. Critical thinking and (U.S.) Republican conservatives go together about as well as oil & water it seems.
And for all the wing nut trollies coming here to lament the imaginary end of the ‘white race’ (i.e. unchallenged, vehement supremacy to the reasonable minded), lets recall that violence and murder against anyone based on race or otherwise is absolutely despicable. By that same token, take care to actually search for the gross distortions these ‘Youth for Western Civilization’ bases their apparent plight on. They never think or mention anything Africa-related unless its to either dehumanize or assert their diluted superiority over, it seems…
on January 15th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Go on facebook to Kalahari Annie or Emma Clark to see what the white man in Africa is living with.And what the future is for the rest of the world if We are complacent.
on January 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Once again Jason fails history. Rape was not “used” by the Red Army, seeing as how there were standing orders which mandated instant summary execution for rape. While these orders were often not enforced, soldiers were executed on the spot many times, and in any case there is no evidence to suggest that the Red Army or Soviet government deliberately ordered any such policy. The Germans themselves had ordered the evacuation of all territories ahead of the Soviet advance.
Of course you just shot yourself in the foot here, because you like talking about black-on-white rape and now you have just invoked the very real mass rape of Europeans by other Europeans. In fact by ethnic group the largest offenders were Ukrainians, Belorussians, and Russians.
on January 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
But YWC takes that one step further. Instead of seeing the violence as an unfortunate byproduct of a complicated struggle for national unity
Seriously?
You guys need to look up Julius Malema one of these days.
It’s not a “complicated struggle.” The violence in South Africa is not multilateral, like in the Sudan or the former Yugoslavia; it’s one-sided.
You people (SPLC staff, that is) talk as if all you care about is violence and terrorist activity; in reality, you make no distinction between actual violence or other criminal activity and people who simply have viewpoints you object to. You go against both – not just blogging your views (I have no problem with that) but actively harassing people and trying to get them fired from their jobs, among other things.
on January 15th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Sorry, that was a mistake. I meant to say “Rwanda”.
on January 16th, 2012 at 8:51 am
At this writing, the Youth for Western Civilization site is down for “malware issues.”
on January 16th, 2012 at 11:59 am
One would think that college students would have at least heard of Nazi Germany and World War 2 in their high school history classes even if they never read “Lies My Teacher Told Me”, and would have taken from that the realization that having fair skin doesn’t make people inherently less violent.
Mr Smith: It is difficult for me to believe that liberal white women would cooperate with a plan that would force them to submit to rape. But if you have evidence to back your claim, let’s hear it.
on January 16th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
It’ll be interesting to see whether this so-called “Youth for Western Civilisation” seeks out “alliances” with like-minded White Christian Nationalist groups to launch a “United Campaign” of sorts seeking to raise funds for the “evacuation” of Afrikaner families out of South Africa by claiming “refugee” status (“fear of persecution”) all along.
Only it turns out that the “United Campaign” develops a carefully-scripted story to reinforce the demand for refugee status which seeks to trick such at the United States Embassy in Pretoria as deal with immigration issues into timely acceptance of applications therefor, and without a careful check of the facts beforehand as can substantiate the underlying grounds for requesting refugee status.
on January 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
hahaha hardly multiculturalism seems to be working pretty good in the US with some hang ups of course but we have made great strides in the last 30 years. The attacks on whites are not any more surprising then the lynching of radical republican in the south after the civil war. this does not make it right and the US and the UN need to do more to help this new government still marred by the apartheid’s memory. As a Hispanic i favor multiculturalism i have friends of varying backgrounds ethically. These accusations are just racist attackers trying to prove a racist theory your wrong and the south Africans problems are theirs alone and have nothing to do with US race relations
on January 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Any attempt to reduce SA’s current economic, social and political decline vis a vis pre-Apartheid SA to lingering effects of colonialism on the native population or a racial/ethnic explanation is reductionist and a profound oversimplification.
Current levels of violent crime, the systematic murder and displacement of white farmers, and the general corruption/cronyism endemic in the ANC government defies a general all encompassing social/cultural explanation.
That the white population is under systemic assault is beyond question. Several international organizations have begun to weigh in and report on this trend. Time magazine has an excellent analysis written by Mike Smith titled “How the ANC lost its Way” detailing rampant political corruption, cronyism, economic mismanagement and the perpetual problem of tribalism in Africa as contributing to the decline.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:10 am
South Africa’s internal problems have nothing to do with internal problems in the United States unless there’s another worldwide economic collapse which is very likely with the Euro collapsing soon. It’s like saying the Arab Spring has a connection to the loss of jobs in the U.S. South Africa’s problems is about political cronyism, bad economy, and corruption. As Deep Ecology said, making it about race/ethnicity only is inaccurate. And yes, Ruslan, Jason fails history and shot himself in the foot. And Jeronimus, what racial slur has anyone here used?
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Anna you seem to be suffering from oral incontinence. You meant simply to say “Rwanda” and all that other nonsense came out. Perhaps a daily regimen of Thorazine would help.
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Where did you ever get the impression that I was “anti-white,” Jeronimo?
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Funny how you’re quick to recommend thorazine. I suppose that’s because it helped you deal with your own problems so well.
on January 17th, 2012 at 11:50 am
What are the SPLC’s views on that Afrikaner-only town of Orania?
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Anna,
I was going to recommend a swift kick in the backside, but decided against it because I did not wish to be construed as threatening.
But then you forced my hand. Oh, well.
Projection, much?
on January 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Aron,
Are you advocating a physical assault on Anna, simply because you disagree with her views and opinions?
What is the SPLC’s stand on violence against women, any woman?
on January 17th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Asked Wayne:
Some while back, the Virginia Quarterly Review had an interesting article about what’s formally known as Die Volkstaat Orania and the Volkstaat movement in general.
The which may want to be read in the interest of insight and context.
on January 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
“Where did you ever get the impression that I was “anti-white,” Jeronimo?”
Oh, where do we begin, you Stalin-loving Turco-Mongoloid? Your love and adoration of anything and everything that results in demographic displacement of whites, including in their own native lands? Or your constant swinish glee at the historical intra-European wars that have resulted in large population losses for whites?
on January 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Hey Hubert,
Would you mind defining ‘white’ for the class?
Also, Jeronimus I was not actually advocating the assault and battery of Anna. Perhaps you might make yourself familiar with the concept of ‘hyperbole.’ I know it’s a very complicated word, but I’m sure you can ask your third grade teacher for help. Maybe you’ll earn a gold star!
on January 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Hubert,
Also, if actually took the time to read Ruslan’s posts, you’d find he is not, in fact, a Stalinist. He is a true Communist (correct me if I’m wrong here, Ruslan.)
But I doubt you really even know the difference. So I’ll stop wasting both your time and mine.
on January 17th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Aron,
Does the privilege of engaging in hyperbole also apply to SPLC designated “haters” and “hate groups”?
Or is this only for speech and ideas with which you agree?
on January 17th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
“Oh, where do we begin, you Stalin-loving Turco-Mongoloid? Your love and adoration of anything and everything that results in demographic displacement of whites, including in their own native lands? Or your constant swinish glee at the historical intra-European wars that have resulted in large population losses for whites?”
Awww look, Hubert’s mad! Alright first of all, let’s address the “Turco-Mongoloid” nonsense. Had you spent any amount of time on this board, you’d know that despite my fake name, I’m as far as I can tell, 100% European-ancestry. This is why it is stupid to call me “anti-white” because in countries where “white” means something, like the US, I’m unquestionably white and can’t pass for anything else.
“Your love and adoration of anything and everything that results in demographic displacement of whites, including in their own native lands?”
Please show me where I demonstrate my “love and adoration” for things which you claim are displacing “whites”. The lowered birthrate of people in industrialized nations(many of which are “non-white”) is not a secret plot to displace people. And in the “native lands” of “whites”, they are called Europeans of different nationalities, not “whites”. To you it matters little of Polish immigrants flood into Germany, the Netherlands, or Britain. To the nationalists there, it’s a big deal.
Since I think you’re talking about immigration, my beef with most of you Stormfront visitors is that you have absolutely no idea how immigration works, and you don’t bother to check. You’re obsessed with immigration, and yet the only thing you read on the subject comes from a few sources. If I were really interested in how some particular trend worked, I would go right to the source. In fact I did just that to show another one of your buddies how immigration and naturalization works in countries like Korea and Japan. Surprise, surprise, it’s not nearly as restrictive as he thought(naturally he never acknowledged this).
It might also interest you to know that in China, the one-child policy doesn’t apply to national minorities, who are also allowed autonomous status and get preferential treatment for things like university placement. This means that members of the small Russian minority can basically have as many kids as they want, theoretically, while Han people can’t. OH NO!!! THE HAN ARE BEING DISPLACED IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!
“Or your constant swinish glee at the historical intra-European wars that have resulted in large population losses for whites?”
I find this statement particularly amusing because it reveals a lot about how your mind works, or doesn’t. I have not expressed “glee” at wars between Europeans(they’re called Europeans, not “whites”), what I have done repeatedly is pointed out centuries of conflict within Europe and within peoples who are of the same nationality today, all for the purpose of shattering idiotic claims of some kind of white racial unity of the past. Your resentment and paranoia cause you to interpret this as “glee”, apparently. Also I notice that you seem to think that these European wars were somehow not the fault of Europeans, because your wording makes it sound as though they were imposed on them somehow. Then again, men are always free to decide, but they do so within certain limitations…
Lastly, Hubert, if your movement is only about “cultural pride” and not hate, how do you explain your lashing out at me with the “Turco-Mongoloid” comment, as though that’s a bad thing. I know a great deal of Turco-Mongoloids(as well as many Turks, and a couple Mongoloids), and they are thoroughly decent people with a rich, accomplished past. The Turkic Bulgars, for example, had an organized state before the Russians, who were led by Scandinavians. When you see a group of drunk or violent “gopniks” in Russia, it is highly unlikely that you will find any Turks or Mongoloids among them. No, they will be Russians, guaranteed. Anyway, I digress. The point is, you now have to change your whole tack from “you’re a non-white guy who hates whites” to “you’re a white traitor who has white guilt” or some other similar nonsense.
on January 18th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
According to “Deep Ecology”:
Some insight on the psyche and mindset of the Afrikaner as is somehow “in peril” can best be gleaned from The Afrikaners: Portrait of a People by Hermann Burr Giliomee and The Rise of Afrikanerdom: Power, Apartheid and the Afrikaner Civil Religion by T. Dunbar Moodie; both can be read at Google Books.
on January 19th, 2012 at 5:50 am
I can only shrug at YWC and other White supremacists. They appear to be losing on all fronts. The world is not going back to the days when Whites dominated non-White people. That era is over for good. If some Whites are sad about that, that’s their business.
on January 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Instead of trying to influence people’s fact-finding abilities by publishing prejudicial articles like this, why not instead take a look at the actual facts as they are occurring on the ground? The violence targetting the very small, but highly visible Afrikaner community in South Africa is well out of proportion to their very small (4%) representation of the 50million-strong South African population. If these attacks, murders, gang-rapes and hours of tortures meted out to Afrikaner victims at the moment, are seen as ‘ordinary violence’, one must question why such events do not occur when black victims are attacked in ‘ordinary crime’ in the same cruel way as the Afrikaners are getting targetted at the moment. This is being recorded – not by the South African police because they are under orders to report everything as ‘ordinary crime’ on their site http://www.saps.gov.za. These attacks are recorded in great detail, with photographs, police-records and death-certificates, on several websites in South Africa, amongst them are the daily updates on http://www.farmitracker.com. This site by two independent SA criminologists also records the violence targetting other non-black minorities in South Africa such as the Chinese and Asian/Indian business-families who have lived there for many generations. Farmitracker also records the many incidents of hatespeech and incitements to commit genocide by ANC- leaders at all levels. When their maps and graphs are examined in detail, it’s also noted that all this violence specifically against the Afrikaners, started just as the FIFA football world cup tournaments in South Africa ended from August 2010 and all the ‘foreign tourists and foreign journalists’ had gone home. It seemed to have been the catalyst. As to who is responsible for this wave of genocidal-violence, more than 30% of the people arrested on the rare occasions when the police could catch them in the act, the perpetrators were black police officers. ONly 0.4% of all these perpetrators who have been attacking white families with this violence however, have thus far even been sentenced. Which makes one wonder how much government protection these perpetrators of this violence are getting. Add to that the constant stream of genocidal incitements coming from SA president Jacob Zuma , even as recent as their 100th anniversary celebrations in Bloemfontein last week, when he was enthusiastically leading his public in singing ‘Kill the Boer’, it seems that the SA government is indeed very actively engaged in wanting to decimate, to destroy, to annihilate the Afrikaner minority as much as they can. They also deny the Afrikaners all access to the job-market in South Africa; and thus have already impoverished one-third of the nation to such a degree that they are slowly starving in hundreds of little squatter camps all over the country. The ANC-government also denies the Afrikaners any food-aid from government agencies, they deny them any government-benefits even when they have no income and no other means of survival at all. When all this information is analysed, one can only come to the conclusion that the Afrikaner is in the middle of an advanced stage of genocide. Because of the ANC-regime’s deliberate censorship of its crime-statistics, it’s hard to get the stats: but the incidents posted by the Afrikaners’ victim families themselves, with first-person witness accounts in most cases, speak for themselves. I am ashamed of the attempt by the Southern Poverty Law Centre for its attempt to try and downplay these facts. Anybody who cares to examine the records, will be able to find out for themselves that the Southern Poverty Law Centre has not taken the trouble to take a look at these records themselves. And this is deeply troubling to me, as a retired South African journalist.
on January 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I say to the white SA, stand up straight, hold your arms out and keep very still so that you don’t frighten those chickens when they come home to roost.
Also, why is it that pills they dish are the same pills they find so very hard to swallow?
on January 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Having spent some time in Africa over the last few years there is a credible wave of fear and violence that caucasians are experiencing. in Zimbabwe I spoke with a couple of victims of some incidents of armed soldiers assaulting young (as young as 13) caucasian females simply because of their race. To dismiss any claims that there is no issue is simply ignorant – get on the ground and do the research.
on January 19th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
“But YWC takes that one step further. Instead of seeing the violence as an unfortunate byproduct of a complicated struggle for national unity after years of brutal division in South Africa, these Young Turks of the far right argue that multiculturalism doesn’t work –– and the violence is proof enough”
This is a populist, personal opinion presented as facts, and depicts a total separation from reality and the real history of South Africa. Furthermore like throroughbred liberals, everyone with intelligence and a different opinion is labelled in another ‘albatross’ propaganda technique, as being ‘far right’. This is outdated communist propaganda techniques, aimed at preventing any real political actions and opinions from intellectual leaders.
Multiculturalism never worked, and it never will. In South Africa, the Multicultural Holy Sacrament, namely torture and death, is served daily by black neo-nazi racists, to white Afrikaners. It was the American military, that alerted Afrikaners of the fact that they are caught up in a genocide, due to the extreme tortures that precedes the final homicide of Afrikaners.
And the usurping of South Africa by millions of illegal socioparasites out of Africa, is a legalized genocide of the indigenous Afrikaners of South Africa. After ruining their respective countries in Africa with wars, these socioparasites migrate to the next available feeding grounds. These socioparasites have yet to establish ONE country in Africa, that INCREASES the life expectancy of all it’s citizens.
So don’t fool yourself for too long, strategic plans have been made long ago for the socioparasites of South America, to invade America, and devour it in totality, and turning the white population into the next generation of milk-cows and slaves.
on January 19th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Hey Pieter,
The Afrikaners ARE NOT NATIVE. They are Dutch settlers. And even though they’ve been there hundreds of years, the black Africans have been there for hundreds of thousands.
SORRY!
on January 19th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
If you’re really opposed to racism, then you have to strongly oppose and call out and campaign against widespread racist violence committed by blacks against whites in South Africa.
The SPLC obviously isn’t an org with a focus on international events, but they’ve chosen to weigh in on SA in this article, so it’s odd to hear one of their writers talk about recent racist violence in SA as “a byproduct… of a complicated struggle.” Thousands of deaths = ohh, just a byproduct of something or another? smh.
There won’t be any long term reconciliation in SA without committing to end racism of all forms coming from all directions. Any apologetics for racist black violence suggests very strongly that one is not really interested in reconciliation, and is only cynically using the term when it’s politically convenient.
on January 19th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
It appears that you multicults at the SPLC began a discussion for which you were ill prepared.
White America, wake up, this is the future that the SPLC has in store for you, your family, and your grand-children!
on January 20th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Another proof that anti racist in fact means anti white. And please don,t talk about povetry and education. Rape and murder makes nobody rich and educated.
on January 20th, 2012 at 3:30 am
It does not matter whether the Afrikaners are ‘indigenous’or not. Neither are the Nguni who now run the ANC-regime: they came from NorthEast Africa and drifted southwards to escape the Arabian slave-trade at around the same time the Afrikaner voortrekkers moved towards present-day Natal and Limpopo. And just to argue this point, so it’s OK TO MURDER innocent Afrikaner children – even shot dead execution-style in front of their parents – only because THEIR FOREFATHERS settled on the African continent? That’s a stupid argument – imagine if Europeans used that argument for all the Africans in Europe and just started a massacre because the ‘Africans don’t belong in Europe’. It’s a vicious vile, racist argument which I am shocked to discover being used by supporters of this organisation on this site. Reminds me of the way the nazis used to target the Jews of Europe: claiming they ‘did not belong there’, that they were ‘vermin’ and ‘aliens’ and that they should be ‘annihilated’. We all know what happened to the Jews of Europe. This organisation, by spreading this anti-Afrikaner racist propaganda, is making itself guilty of inciting the genocide of the Afrikaner people in South Africa. You should be deeply ashamed of yourselves.
on January 20th, 2012 at 7:15 am
To the people that are new here, no one here said any violence against whites is good. Violence against any group is bad. But you folks are coming here talking about how it’s a representation of the future of the U.S. is false. Unless it’s economic (economies throughout the world are now connected), internal problems in one country does not have any connection to internal problems in another country.
Pieter, the Afrikaners are Dutch descendants. Like Aron said, they’ve been there since the 1600s, but the real indigenous people have been there hundreds of thousands of years. As for multiculturalism, it works in the neighborhood I live in. There are blacks, whites, Asians, and Mexicans living in the same area with no problems. Maybe it has to do with the kind of personality you have, not your ethnic background. And how is what the person you quoted said a “communist tactic”?
on January 20th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Adriana Stuijt, he said that in response to Pieter saying the Afrikaners are indigenous. You’re right, it doesn’t matter whether they’re indigenous or not. But you’re acting like people here support the violence. What comment here says that? My only problem is WNs in the U.S. taking something that has nothing to do with them and the U.S. and making it a “call to arms” announcement. There are blacks being killed outside the U.S. But does that have anything to do with blacks in the U.S.? No.
Woland, who here came ill prepared? And how exactly is it the future? Do you have a special connection with the folks in South Africa?
Juri, anyone that objects WNs is anti-white? Maybe you said that because you thought some here did not bat an eye to what’s going in South Africa. Tell me who.
on January 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Adriana,
Funny, I don’t remember ever condoning the violence. I seem to recall only pointing out that the Boers weren’t ‘native.’
on January 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am
The Afrikaaners will be extinct in South Africa between 50-100 years.
They built the place over an approximate 500 year period. In 200 years tourists will look at their ruins and wonder how the remaining locals built such magnificent cities.
Have you seen Joberg lately? It’s a shadow of its former glory.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I took a look at South Africa’s demographic register, and there were only 15 million souls living there in 1965. Now there’s about 60 million not counting the influx of Nigerians, Congolese migrants.
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They could hold on as long as their own population was near equal to that of the blacks.
In effect the Afrikanners and English down there created a bread basket for the area and this subsequently allowed their descendants to be swallowed up whole as the black population increased to levels that could NEVER have been sustained by the paleolithic Bushmen, pastoralist Zulus etc etc and their more backward subsistence farming methods.
Thus we can see the Afrikaaners are the unfortunate victims of their own skills as doctors, engineers, farmers and wealth creators.
No good deed goes unpunished.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Aron,
London is brimming with white Afrikaaner refugees from SA. Highly educated liberal people with Phd’s who can’t get a job in a SA university. Most of them were anti-Aparthied and pro Mandela. The joke is on them now: The Rainbow Nation is the sickening reality of ethnic cleansing.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
A.D.M
It’s obvious that WN would pick up on the issue, duh! It’s a clear example of a genocide directed at whites by blacks. See Detroit as a watered down US version of the same process.
In my youth, a liberal one, during the 1980s I happily cheered: “Free Nelson Mandela!” at anti-aparthied concerts.
I now consider the possibility I was wrong to do so, given the vicious, callous and murderous behaviour of the black run government in SA. The empirical evidence of mass murders and ethnic cleansing of whites in SA cannot be ignored forever.
On Multiculturalism: Just remember that people normally get on quite well together most of the time–until they don’t.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Dan,
Do you see me apologizing for the ANC? Because to the best of my knowledge, I have never ONCE stated that the situation in SA is dreadful.
I was once a big ANC supporter as well. Jacob Zuma changed that.
But I don’t go around blaming ALL of the ‘kaffirs’ for the horrors being suffered by the Boers. And it isn’t just the Boers who are suffering: there’s a tremendous amount of black-on-black violence as well.
I think people are simply being blind to the whole issue here. It isn’t one-sided. The ANC is a mess.
But would I rather see the NP? Or the continuation of Apartheid?
Not on your life.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am
one note about Demographics.
The first census in South Africa in 1911 showed that whites made up 22% of the population; it declined to 16% in 1980. Now 2011, they are below 10% and being rapidly burned out of their remaining properties or murdered.
Don’t think it can’t happen elsewhere. This is what happens when demographic changes occur. See Detroit for example. Almost 100% white in 1912, wealthy prosperous–now 80%+ black, it’s a derelict crime ridden bomb site.
on January 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Pieter if it’s tru that multiculturalism never works perhaps your ancestors should have stayed in the Netherlands rather than colonizing an area dominated by another culture.
on January 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Dan is it reading you have a problem with or is it numerical date? The link you provide shows a population of 19,814,000 in 1965 although the chart at http://www.sahistory.org.za/so.....uth-africa suggests that may be an underestimate. The same website also shows a population 67.3% African in 1911 increasing to 79.3% in 2004. The population was never “nearly equal.” If Afrikaners are “victims” of anything it is their invasion, colonization, and exploitation of land that wasn’t theirs. I’m not really sure when the proportion of Africans in the population increased but my guess would be that it had something to do with the need for cheap labor to exploit in the mines.
on January 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
I read the beginning of the chart as 1965, so I read one block along the chart. No need to be patronizing.
So at that time, SA had a population of 20,000,000 which has since exploded. This chart does not record the massive number of immigrants from the rest of Africa that now reside in SA.
The demographic decline of whites there is the result of white farmers creating a system of commercial farming that could support such a population explosion. Plus modern plumbing, medicine and the other luxuries of western civIlization introduced by colonists. The 22% white
population was enough to keep things running smoothly as life expectancy, health and wealth increased across the board. Gradually their demographic share dropped, precipitating the Rainbow Nation. Now SA is a Global rape, murder and poverty capital. It’s also one of the most corrupt governments on earth according to
independent watchdogs. I’m not making incredible claims here. It’s a daily reality for white people in SA.
I may have skipped a section on a graph, but you have a problem with seeing reality with your own eyes.
on January 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Mitch,
the Afrikaaners were perhaps victims in that they lost their nerve. As self satisfied liberals safely cocooned in the west condemned them and then metered out sanctions/divestments to cripple their economy, they threw in the towel.
The black South Africans running the ANC no more built that Nation than Crazy Horse founded the 13 colonies. Many are arriviste newcomers in comparison to the Boers.
on January 20th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@Aron
It seems to me Aron, since you seem to be opposed to racist violence committed by blacks against whites in South Africa that you might be a little more critical of this article – which many people here are – for downplaying the violence as “a byproduct” of something “complicated.”
No one would accept that rationalization for, say, violence committed against blacks by whites during the
Civil Rights struggle in the US. They would call it what it was – racist violence by one group against another – and then denounce it. No “oh this is a byproduct” stuff.
This is what YWC is doing. Calling out, denouncing, and campaigning against racist violence in SA.
Are there many other groups doing that? Any left-leaning groups?
You might not agree with YWC’s larger ideology but it seems like based on what you’ve said that you could find common cause with them on the issue of racist violence against whites. Why not?
Back in the apartheid days the ANC’s official ideology was actually very communistic, if not outrightly so, and yet millions of people who weren’t communists saw past that because they wanted to end apartheid.
Perhaps you can see past the YWC’s ideology and join with them to denounce racist violence against whites in SA. How about it?
on January 20th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Yes Dan it looks like South Africa has really gone to hell since apartheid ended in 1992. http://www.google.com/publicda.....africa+gdp
on January 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Red,
You will be waiting forever. Or until the last white down there is murdered. Then it won’t matter anyway.
all the best!
on January 20th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
So I suppose that horrendous violence against blacks post civil war is just a “byproduct” of the civil war. If this is the case then I guess there is no need for the hypocritical capitalists at the SPLC, because there is no thing as hate crimes, just a series of unfortunate byproducts.
on January 20th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Well, since this post has been hijacked by WNs, I’m going to officially sign off.
You boys play nice now, y’hear? Head on back to StormFront and FreeRepublic when you’re done.
(Oh, and Red, I’m a Social Democrat. So your comment about the Communistic tendencies of the ANC probably didn’t have the effect you were hoping for.)
on January 20th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I would like to know how internal problems in South Africa have an affect on internal problems in the United States. You guys on here have no real connection with South Africans in any way. It’s like saying the Arab Spring has an affect on U.S. citizens. Speaking out against violence is one thing. But using as a tool of loathing is something else.
As for living among different peoples, get over it. The U.S. is now multicultural than ever and the rising tide of so-called “Latinos” is present. There are two things you can do about it: kill the groups of people you don’t like or you can move. Whether you like it or not, the monolithic approach has left the building. You’re gonna have to deal with those that are different from you. As for not getting along, what makes you think all whites get along? There’s never been any “white unity” in Europe. Not in the past and not now. The Irish and the Italians were discriminated against in the U.S. and were not considered white (some still believe that).
By the way, repealing a system that oppressed a group of people is not communism. You obviously need to stop getting your nonsensical talking points from WN sites and Fox News.
on January 20th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Any violence whether it’s Black on Black, White on Black, Black on White or White on White must be punished. The vast majority of Blacks aren’t committing crimes. Most victims are intra-ethnic-Black on Black or White on White. Won’t say the SPLC condones it, but the language seems to imply violent crime is less serious when it’s Black on White. Finally, it must be said that even during Apartheid, Blacks often seek work from White employers. There are Blacks who’ve told me that they’d rather deal with ‘White Trash’ than problems with other Blacks because @least the Whites give them jobs.
on January 21st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
@Aron
God forbid you come out and agree with the YWC at least as far as condemning racist violence against whites in SA goes. It says something that you won’t, doesn’t it?
*laughing*
As far as you being a Social Democrat goes – that’s precisely my point – you’re not a communist yet you probably supported (or would have supported) the ANC back in the apartheid days.
C’mon, keep up :)
on January 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 am
Just wondering…….why is the SPLC always stirring the racial pot, furthering divisions between blacks and whites ? SPLC seems to be a tool of the left to keep the blacks firmly planted in their camp. But then again the Left Right Paradigm pretty much accomplishes that. The PTB don’t want us united and organized it could threaten their power grid. Think about it!
on January 23rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Most comments reflect a profound misunderstanding of the consequences of significant social, economic and political change, especially as it relates to sub-sahara Africa.
Academics who study cultural geography and mass migration and its effects look at data that reflects meta-analysis of the societal changes. However, every participant in the change has a perspective that reflects their unique place within a cultural context. Meta-analysis takes in the broad sweep of change, and includes cultural, historical, anthropological, and linguistic analysis, the end of which is to produce research and recommendations for fellow researchers or government policy makers.
Most comments here seem to run through ideological, practical and personal opinion that in the end sheds little light on what the YWC said in the context of the current crisis in SA as to fundamental cause-effect analysis.
on January 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@ Dan – Could you please let me have the missing letters. I would so like to add to your comments but would like to do a bit of research first.
This is what appears in your comment and ofcourse with the missing letters I am unable to gain access.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..graphy.svg
Thank you –
White South African female born in Durban.
on January 27th, 2012 at 6:01 am
A.D.M. said : “the Afrikaners are Dutch descendants. Like Aron said, they’ve been there since the 1600s, but the real indigenous people have been there hundreds of thousands of years.” – Wrong, only 50% of Afrikaners are actually of Dutch descent; the rest is of German, French Huguenot and Danish, Portuguese. The point is they are intermixed and constitute a nation of their own, most won’t even understand Dutch if not spoken very slowly. The Blacks were not there for hundreds of thousands of years, they trekked south exterminating the Bushman, Koi and San peoples as they moved south.
on January 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
about 1/3 of the male black population in America gets thrown in prison at one time or another. It’s not a “vast majority” but it’s a tremendously large minority and at a very high rate. 1 in 10 white men in America will expect to serve time. You could chalk that up to income, access to lawyers and socioeconomic distress if you like but you ought to keep in mind that 1 in 3 black men you meet probably served hard time or will do so. Even if you roll in the trivial marijuana possession stuff that’s a disturbing reality to wrap your head around.
Today, criminal convictions require a solid foundation of evidence, even if you buy into ideas of structural racism. So most of the inmates and former inmates and future inmates have cross the line into repeated cases of serious criminal behavior. Often violent.
Aron is obviously salivating over the impending minority status of white people in the US and the ultimate destruction of the existing white population in SA (those bad bad WN in South Africa, how dare they exist). Even if black people seize proportionately more assets in a society, like that in South Africa the crime rate for that population does not decrease. Congo used to have a very robust economy and infrastructure, until the Belgian’s were chased out. Now it is decayed and impossible to conduct business there. They don’t fix roads they don’t build anything. They just have tribal fights over mines. It’s become more like that in SA everyday, crime has exploded since Mandela became president. Aron’s a real piece of work. He can see all these things happening and he’s gleefully clapping it on. Lovely.
Here’s the Theroux link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWIOgm8yXyo
on January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
This Dan guy is a real piece of work. You said Congo was better off as a Belgian colony. Well, I guess it worked out for the millions who died at the hands the Belgians who worked them to death. Are there problems in the region? Yes. But for you to say there haven’t been any bustling cities, roads, etc. is absolutely disingenious and false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinshasa
I guess you want to blame blacks for the supposed minority status of whites in the U.S., right? It’s actually Latinos that are growing in extraordinary numbers, but I guess you don’t like them either.
on February 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
ADM,
You musn’t forget the Congolese who lost THEIR OWN hands at the hands of the Belgians….
on March 13th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Diversity is a euphemism for White Genocide.