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	<title>Comments on: Nativist ‘Environmentalists’ Enraged at Exclusion from Conference</title>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-401991</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: I realized when I said &quot;elites&quot; that that could be construed as a dog whistle for small minders for another level of stupid they hold; that there exists some kind of cultural group that hands down control over the generations and plots directly the destruction of the world, blah blah blah.

No, I don&#039;t mean Jews, the Illuminati, Commies or any other imaginary group invented long ago by the information challenged.

I mean an every changing and fluid group of plutocrats who by acquisition of money through various means, usually through their positions in corporate entities, or as most usually is the case, plutocrats who ride on the back of the faceless, dumb corporation.

Corporations are entities constructed for profit that function like automatic machines, some fail, but others will rise in prominence to take their place, filled with small figure-heads that are empowered by small groups (shareholders) and larger blocks (stock holders) who by the faithful diligence of its workers, ensure that the entity moves on the service the goal of increases profits and earnings to feed the three groups mentioned above.

They aren&#039;t any one block of people, they don&#039;t represent any one ideal of world domination or control.  They just are a parts of a larger machinery that is running rampant and without controls, with no other regard than the three goals mentioned above.

That&#039;s the problem and unless and until people turn, unified to deal with that problem, all the rest is just silly or as in the case of these bigots, really, really stupid and tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: I realized when I said &#8220;elites&#8221; that that could be construed as a dog whistle for small minders for another level of stupid they hold; that there exists some kind of cultural group that hands down control over the generations and plots directly the destruction of the world, blah blah blah.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t mean Jews, the Illuminati, Commies or any other imaginary group invented long ago by the information challenged.</p>
<p>I mean an every changing and fluid group of plutocrats who by acquisition of money through various means, usually through their positions in corporate entities, or as most usually is the case, plutocrats who ride on the back of the faceless, dumb corporation.</p>
<p>Corporations are entities constructed for profit that function like automatic machines, some fail, but others will rise in prominence to take their place, filled with small figure-heads that are empowered by small groups (shareholders) and larger blocks (stock holders) who by the faithful diligence of its workers, ensure that the entity moves on the service the goal of increases profits and earnings to feed the three groups mentioned above.</p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t any one block of people, they don&#8217;t represent any one ideal of world domination or control.  They just are a parts of a larger machinery that is running rampant and without controls, with no other regard than the three goals mentioned above.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem and unless and until people turn, unified to deal with that problem, all the rest is just silly or as in the case of these bigots, really, really stupid and tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-401984</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of idiots and what a shame that our public education system pumps out people so challenged in their critical thinking skills that they&#039;d participate in warping the democratic ideal into a monster that reasonable people can hardly recognize.

I&#039;ve read here paranoid commentary about &quot;the Frankfort School&quot;, the ridiculous notion that somehow, for a reason yet unexplained, the movement of a population across a border has some environmental impact that is isolated to their cross-border destination.  Is there some kind of force-field of atmosphere or other physical barrier that makes population growth and its attendant issues only an issue across some man-made, arbitrary line?

Absurd, population growth is a problem all over the world and one not addressed by the elite who hold the power and control capital globally.  A labor pool that is diluted with more human capital than can be used at any one time keeps their profits up and living standards down.  All the rest to them is nothing.  All the while, while our planet suffers irreversible damage and people die in poverty across the globe, fools like American bigots form groups and rally against imagined enemies, invented out of the fertid, fearful imaginations.

And as if that&#039;s not tragic enough, a commenter recounts the tragic, genocidal history of the development of the United States and without hesitation, a member of the flock of ignorants come out to say he/she doesn&#039;t believe the historic analysis that every historic scholar and ninth grader knows very well and can see with their own eyes.

As if that&#039;s not enough revelation of the extent of paranoid and delusional abilities of the American bigot mind, then they trot out the tired old commie line. Honestly, can&#039;t you just let Marx rest in peace?  The man is dead, the philosophy never hit the ground running any more than the development of that far-off Libertarian state.  

Most often I think our society abuses pharmaceuticals far too much, but in the instance of nativists and other American bigots, a good case exists for the use of mood altering medication on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of idiots and what a shame that our public education system pumps out people so challenged in their critical thinking skills that they&#8217;d participate in warping the democratic ideal into a monster that reasonable people can hardly recognize.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read here paranoid commentary about &#8220;the Frankfort School&#8221;, the ridiculous notion that somehow, for a reason yet unexplained, the movement of a population across a border has some environmental impact that is isolated to their cross-border destination.  Is there some kind of force-field of atmosphere or other physical barrier that makes population growth and its attendant issues only an issue across some man-made, arbitrary line?</p>
<p>Absurd, population growth is a problem all over the world and one not addressed by the elite who hold the power and control capital globally.  A labor pool that is diluted with more human capital than can be used at any one time keeps their profits up and living standards down.  All the rest to them is nothing.  All the while, while our planet suffers irreversible damage and people die in poverty across the globe, fools like American bigots form groups and rally against imagined enemies, invented out of the fertid, fearful imaginations.</p>
<p>And as if that&#8217;s not tragic enough, a commenter recounts the tragic, genocidal history of the development of the United States and without hesitation, a member of the flock of ignorants come out to say he/she doesn&#8217;t believe the historic analysis that every historic scholar and ninth grader knows very well and can see with their own eyes.</p>
<p>As if that&#8217;s not enough revelation of the extent of paranoid and delusional abilities of the American bigot mind, then they trot out the tired old commie line. Honestly, can&#8217;t you just let Marx rest in peace?  The man is dead, the philosophy never hit the ground running any more than the development of that far-off Libertarian state.  </p>
<p>Most often I think our society abuses pharmaceuticals far too much, but in the instance of nativists and other American bigots, a good case exists for the use of mood altering medication on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Ecology</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-401652</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all:

I am very interested in thoughtful comment by those who DO NOT link population growth (measured by fertility rates or immigration or both) with environmental stabilization and sustainability.  Essentially, the question is can we (or any bioregion) continue to increase population and not suffer environmental degradation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all:</p>
<p>I am very interested in thoughtful comment by those who DO NOT link population growth (measured by fertility rates or immigration or both) with environmental stabilization and sustainability.  Essentially, the question is can we (or any bioregion) continue to increase population and not suffer environmental degradation?</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-401009</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoes happen where everything is empty and hollow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoes happen where everything is empty and hollow.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-400499</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch,

The only echo is inside Jason&#039;s head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch,</p>
<p>The only echo is inside Jason&#8217;s head.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Beales</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-400452</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Beales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Smith is there an echo in here?</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-400417</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spiritual aspect could work. Right now most religious zealots seem to be on the wrong side of every issue. Christian end times scholars have long claimed that the Antichrist will outlaw all religion as they cause most of the problems. I&#039;m beginning to see the logic in that, but I still believe Jesus was originally on the right side of every issue. I&#039;m going to look into the deep ecology thing further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spiritual aspect could work. Right now most religious zealots seem to be on the wrong side of every issue. Christian end times scholars have long claimed that the Antichrist will outlaw all religion as they cause most of the problems. I&#8217;m beginning to see the logic in that, but I still believe Jesus was originally on the right side of every issue. I&#8217;m going to look into the deep ecology thing further.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Ecology</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-400388</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, the cultural, economic and political barriers to sustainability/reductionism are perhaps insurmountable as you say.  

Deep Ecology as a movement emphasizes spiritual and philosophical change vis a vis mankinds place and function within nature.  

As an idealist, I am a consistent advocate for it, as a realist about human nature, I am pessimistic that we as species can make the leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, the cultural, economic and political barriers to sustainability/reductionism are perhaps insurmountable as you say.  </p>
<p>Deep Ecology as a movement emphasizes spiritual and philosophical change vis a vis mankinds place and function within nature.  </p>
<p>As an idealist, I am a consistent advocate for it, as a realist about human nature, I am pessimistic that we as species can make the leap.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-400174</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, that doesn&#039;t have to be some sort of Final Coundown 3, Totaltarian,  &quot;Agenda 21&quot; style cattle farm. Condos could be totally soundproof, yards and houses could be smaller and made from modern materials. Right now you can buy some really small but nice, fun to drive cars in India. We don&#039;t get real progress because everybody wants to make a buck playing Americans for the suckers they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, that doesn&#8217;t have to be some sort of Final Coundown 3, Totaltarian,  &#8220;Agenda 21&#8243; style cattle farm. Condos could be totally soundproof, yards and houses could be smaller and made from modern materials. Right now you can buy some really small but nice, fun to drive cars in India. We don&#8217;t get real progress because everybody wants to make a buck playing Americans for the suckers they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-400155</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deep, Good luck convincing anybody that grew up dirt poor that the simple life is best, that possessions own you, and the latest gadget is a carnival huckster&#039;s game. Most of the original Hippies from the Summer of Love, and the founding members of the Occupy Movement, grew up in prosperity. Maybe simplicity can be sold as the chic of the very very very rich, (I do get it) but there&#039;s not a penny to be made selling it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deep, Good luck convincing anybody that grew up dirt poor that the simple life is best, that possessions own you, and the latest gadget is a carnival huckster&#8217;s game. Most of the original Hippies from the Summer of Love, and the founding members of the Occupy Movement, grew up in prosperity. Maybe simplicity can be sold as the chic of the very very very rich, (I do get it) but there&#8217;s not a penny to be made selling it.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Ecology</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-399667</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never ceases to amaze and confound when after reading an article about a very specific topic (acceptable/unacceptable scientific inquiry that in no way intrudes on or touches social and cultural sensitivities) the scope and direction of the follow-on comments.

The fact that many (not all) organizations that wish to reduce or halt immigration have grabbed onto the environmental component to bolster their arguments is well known.  These nativists, xenophobes, and cultural preservationists are environmentalists only in the sense that they say they are, but in reality are completely disingenuous about their true motives.  However, population growth and its impact, esp vis a vis our current obsession with economic growth and finite resource utilization is an issue central to saving what remains of our biosphere.  That discussion should be front and center in any discussion on the enviroment and mans place in it, sans worries about political correctness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze and confound when after reading an article about a very specific topic (acceptable/unacceptable scientific inquiry that in no way intrudes on or touches social and cultural sensitivities) the scope and direction of the follow-on comments.</p>
<p>The fact that many (not all) organizations that wish to reduce or halt immigration have grabbed onto the environmental component to bolster their arguments is well known.  These nativists, xenophobes, and cultural preservationists are environmentalists only in the sense that they say they are, but in reality are completely disingenuous about their true motives.  However, population growth and its impact, esp vis a vis our current obsession with economic growth and finite resource utilization is an issue central to saving what remains of our biosphere.  That discussion should be front and center in any discussion on the enviroment and mans place in it, sans worries about political correctness.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-399650</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruben, have you just called the leaders of these white-supremacist groups a bunch of sheep-lovers? I like it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruben, have you just called the leaders of these white-supremacist groups a bunch of sheep-lovers? I like it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-399495</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My complements as well, Ruben. My ancestors, the Irish, stupidly kept having babies even when there were no jobs or land to support them, so many came here in search of a better life. Most of us have by now figured out where the babies were coming from. Some of us ignore the old rules about gender and love who we like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My complements as well, Ruben. My ancestors, the Irish, stupidly kept having babies even when there were no jobs or land to support them, so many came here in search of a better life. Most of us have by now figured out where the babies were coming from. Some of us ignore the old rules about gender and love who we like.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-399383</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have been in the pro-white movement for many years now...&quot; says Jason Smith.

Mr. Smith, I am truly sorry for how you have wasted your life and damaged the lives of those others in the pursuit of lies, hatred, bigotry, and cynicism. What have you accomplished in all those years? Have you improved the lives of any other human beings? Have you done anything to improve the earth? All you do is wage little flame wars on the Internet and support the lies and deceits of crackpots and cynical manipulators.

And the sad part is, when your number are all in, the verdict on you will be, &quot;He hated.&quot; 

What a waste of a life. I&#039;m saddened by you, not angered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have been in the pro-white movement for many years now&#8230;&#8221; says Jason Smith.</p>
<p>Mr. Smith, I am truly sorry for how you have wasted your life and damaged the lives of those others in the pursuit of lies, hatred, bigotry, and cynicism. What have you accomplished in all those years? Have you improved the lives of any other human beings? Have you done anything to improve the earth? All you do is wage little flame wars on the Internet and support the lies and deceits of crackpots and cynical manipulators.</p>
<p>And the sad part is, when your number are all in, the verdict on you will be, &#8220;He hated.&#8221; </p>
<p>What a waste of a life. I&#8217;m saddened by you, not angered.</p>
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		<title>By: chris schultz</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-399331</link>
		<dc:creator>chris schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priceless work SPLC environmentalists in quotes.  Of course super capitalist steve jobs worshipping leftists are the only ecologically sensitive citizens.  Keep peddling your modernist nonsense, you are waging a losing battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priceless work SPLC environmentalists in quotes.  Of course super capitalist steve jobs worshipping leftists are the only ecologically sensitive citizens.  Keep peddling your modernist nonsense, you are waging a losing battle.</p>
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		<title>By: A.D.M.</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-399231</link>
		<dc:creator>A.D.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Jason, just because your bigoted behind don&#039;t think the Trail of Tears was not important doesn&#039;t make it so. That&#039;s like saying the crwation of white out wasn&#039;t important. Well, it was. It was important when it came to how the U.S. government treated Native Americans. The only person I see coming up with lies is you. People like you always distort things like the myth of white racial unity in Europe when there is no such thing and certain events happening to folks that don&#039;t look like you not being important when in fact they are. WNs are one of the biggest liars I&#039;ve witnessed.

You&#039;re foolish and as long as you continue on your current path, you&#039;ll always be that way, but that&#039;s your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Jason, just because your bigoted behind don&#8217;t think the Trail of Tears was not important doesn&#8217;t make it so. That&#8217;s like saying the crwation of white out wasn&#8217;t important. Well, it was. It was important when it came to how the U.S. government treated Native Americans. The only person I see coming up with lies is you. People like you always distort things like the myth of white racial unity in Europe when there is no such thing and certain events happening to folks that don&#8217;t look like you not being important when in fact they are. WNs are one of the biggest liars I&#8217;ve witnessed.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re foolish and as long as you continue on your current path, you&#8217;ll always be that way, but that&#8217;s your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: SayItAgainSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayItAgainSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ruben,

I wish you could hear my very loud applause.  Fantastic comments and oh, so accurate.</description>
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<p>I wish you could hear my very loud applause.  Fantastic comments and oh, so accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: ruben</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-398820</link>
		<dc:creator>ruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jason you do not accept historical fact because you have bought into your white right wing propaganda lock,stock and barrel...the leaders of your groups love sheep like you that cannot think for themselves and are EASILY BRAINWASHED AND MANIPULATED!....we are talking about the destruction of our eco system and enviroment....and you refuse to accept the fact that since the arrival of the europeans to this continent   the demise of this once pristine and virgin land has been at full speed ahead....all the big industrial factories that pollute our rivers and streams with chemical run off are mostly owned by people of european decent....all the timber companies that clear cut the forests are mostly owned by people of european decent....all the big oil companies hear in the u.s that have caused great damage recently to our oceans (e.g exxon valdez and b.p) are mostly owned by people of european decent...the big ranchers that lease thousands of grazing acres for there cattle and sheep that eat and destroy anything green and cry when they release wolves or grizzlies back into the natural balance of nature...they are also of mostly european decent....and now hurlbert and the other ignorant bigots have the audacity to point fingers at some one else...how can you compare the carbon footprint of a peasant indigenous person of this land to the devastation that the euro&#039;s have and still create.....it&#039;s like comparing the common cold to the black plague.but like i have stated hypocrisy and bigotry often go hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jason you do not accept historical fact because you have bought into your white right wing propaganda lock,stock and barrel&#8230;the leaders of your groups love sheep like you that cannot think for themselves and are EASILY BRAINWASHED AND MANIPULATED!&#8230;.we are talking about the destruction of our eco system and enviroment&#8230;.and you refuse to accept the fact that since the arrival of the europeans to this continent   the demise of this once pristine and virgin land has been at full speed ahead&#8230;.all the big industrial factories that pollute our rivers and streams with chemical run off are mostly owned by people of european decent&#8230;.all the timber companies that clear cut the forests are mostly owned by people of european decent&#8230;.all the big oil companies hear in the u.s that have caused great damage recently to our oceans (e.g exxon valdez and b.p) are mostly owned by people of european decent&#8230;the big ranchers that lease thousands of grazing acres for there cattle and sheep that eat and destroy anything green and cry when they release wolves or grizzlies back into the natural balance of nature&#8230;they are also of mostly european decent&#8230;.and now hurlbert and the other ignorant bigots have the audacity to point fingers at some one else&#8230;how can you compare the carbon footprint of a peasant indigenous person of this land to the devastation that the euro&#8217;s have and still create&#8230;..it&#8217;s like comparing the common cold to the black plague.but like i have stated hypocrisy and bigotry often go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aztecs made wheeled toys. They didn&#039;t make wheeled vehicles because they had neither the highway system nor the shortgrass plains that would have made these usable. Pre-Columbian Mesoamerica had all the other trappings of their Old World contemporaries, including a better calendar and a zero numeral (which we only learned from the Arabs), except gunpowder (which we only got from the Chinese, who likely got it, along with tea and silk, from the Bengalis). Even spaghetti was discovered in China by Marco Polo, who then returned to Italy as Rolo Polo. Only after the opening of the Americas, though, was there tomato sauce to put on it. What kind of spumoni could have followed, though, without chocolate or vanilla or any strawberries bigger than your fingernail? Phaseolus beans (limas, kidneys, etc) and Cucurbita gourdfruit (pumpkins and squash) all awaited their transfer from the New World, and I haven&#039;t even started on potatoes and corn. Now, excuse me: I have to go out and water the Zea mays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aztecs made wheeled toys. They didn&#8217;t make wheeled vehicles because they had neither the highway system nor the shortgrass plains that would have made these usable. Pre-Columbian Mesoamerica had all the other trappings of their Old World contemporaries, including a better calendar and a zero numeral (which we only learned from the Arabs), except gunpowder (which we only got from the Chinese, who likely got it, along with tea and silk, from the Bengalis). Even spaghetti was discovered in China by Marco Polo, who then returned to Italy as Rolo Polo. Only after the opening of the Americas, though, was there tomato sauce to put on it. What kind of spumoni could have followed, though, without chocolate or vanilla or any strawberries bigger than your fingernail? Phaseolus beans (limas, kidneys, etc) and Cucurbita gourdfruit (pumpkins and squash) all awaited their transfer from the New World, and I haven&#8217;t even started on potatoes and corn. Now, excuse me: I have to go out and water the Zea mays.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.D.M. cites the example of &#039;The Trail of Tears&#039;.  I think it wasn&#039;t very important from a historical perspective and I&#039;ll tell you why.  During the 20th Century Stalin sent 40 million of his own people off to Gulags in Siberia.  Mao murdered 60 million people.  So I believe a thousand years from now the &quot;Trail of Tears&quot; will not even be a footnote in the history books.  Historians will focus instead on the crimes of Communism.  The &quot;Trail of Tears&quot; was not significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.D.M. cites the example of &#8216;The Trail of Tears&#8217;.  I think it wasn&#8217;t very important from a historical perspective and I&#8217;ll tell you why.  During the 20th Century Stalin sent 40 million of his own people off to Gulags in Siberia.  Mao murdered 60 million people.  So I believe a thousand years from now the &#8220;Trail of Tears&#8221; will not even be a footnote in the history books.  Historians will focus instead on the crimes of Communism.  The &#8220;Trail of Tears&#8221; was not significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other Leftists here,

I have reviewed the comments of these individuals listed above and I can say that I&#039;ve heard it all before.  It&#039;s a tactic based on critical theory developed by the Frankfurt school, and are lies.  The founders of the Frankfurt school were .  Every historical example they cite is either of  no importance.  It is a tactic of constant criticism of Western Civilization used as a disarming technique.  Their objective is to break down our civilization through constant criticism.    

Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other .... I am familiar with your tactics and lies and I am not affected by it.  Your narrative of history is a lie.  I&#039;ve heard these lies for many years and you&#039;re not telling me anything I haven&#039;t heard before from a Commie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other Leftists here,</p>
<p>I have reviewed the comments of these individuals listed above and I can say that I&#8217;ve heard it all before.  It&#8217;s a tactic based on critical theory developed by the Frankfurt school, and are lies.  The founders of the Frankfurt school were .  Every historical example they cite is either of  no importance.  It is a tactic of constant criticism of Western Civilization used as a disarming technique.  Their objective is to break down our civilization through constant criticism.    </p>
<p>Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other &#8230;. I am familiar with your tactics and lies and I am not affected by it.  Your narrative of history is a lie.  I&#8217;ve heard these lies for many years and you&#8217;re not telling me anything I haven&#8217;t heard before from a Commie.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other Leftists here&gt; 

I have reviewed the comments of these individuals listed above and I can say that I&#039;ve heard it all before.  It&#039;s a tactic based on critical theory developed by the Frankfurt school, and are lies.  The founders of the Frankfurt school were .  Every historical example they cite is either of  no importance.  It is a tactic of constant criticism of Western Civilization used as a disarming technique.  Their objective is to break down our civilization through constant criticism.    

Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other .... I am familiar with your tactics and lies and I am not affected by it.  Your narrative of history is a lie.  I&#039;ve heard these lies for many years and you&#039;re not telling me anything I haven&#039;t heard before from a Commie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other Leftists here&gt; </p>
<p>I have reviewed the comments of these individuals listed above and I can say that I&#8217;ve heard it all before.  It&#8217;s a tactic based on critical theory developed by the Frankfurt school, and are lies.  The founders of the Frankfurt school were .  Every historical example they cite is either of  no importance.  It is a tactic of constant criticism of Western Civilization used as a disarming technique.  Their objective is to break down our civilization through constant criticism.    </p>
<p>Mitch, A.D.M, Ruben, and other &#8230;. I am familiar with your tactics and lies and I am not affected by it.  Your narrative of history is a lie.  I&#8217;ve heard these lies for many years and you&#8217;re not telling me anything I haven&#8217;t heard before from a Commie.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pete,

Would you mind defining &#039;white&#039; for me?

Thanks!</description>
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<p>Would you mind defining &#8216;white&#8217; for me?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-398689</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;for many thousands of years the native people took only what they needed to survive and had respect for the enviroment and eco system but when the euro’s came greed came with them and it was pretty much all she wrote…..one thing i have learned about the pro white people is that they are hypocrites&quot;

Indians lived that way because they lacked the intelligence to come up with Western inventions.  I don&#039;t see any Indians living like they did for thousands of years today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;for many thousands of years the native people took only what they needed to survive and had respect for the enviroment and eco system but when the euro’s came greed came with them and it was pretty much all she wrote…..one thing i have learned about the pro white people is that they are hypocrites&#8221;</p>
<p>Indians lived that way because they lacked the intelligence to come up with Western inventions.  I don&#8217;t see any Indians living like they did for thousands of years today.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Beales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Beales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Smith the longest journey begins with a single step.  You are not &quot;pro-white&quot; you are pro-hate and anti-human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Smith the longest journey begins with a single step.  You are not &#8220;pro-white&#8221; you are pro-hate and anti-human.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-398688</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the good things of the 1960s liberals was the idea of zero population growth.  Overpopulation and degradation of the environment is real.  This idea only fall out of favor when white people fell below replacement levels then the dreaded &quot;R-word&quot; came into play and the whole idea went away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the good things of the 1960s liberals was the idea of zero population growth.  Overpopulation and degradation of the environment is real.  This idea only fall out of favor when white people fell below replacement levels then the dreaded &#8220;R-word&#8221; came into play and the whole idea went away.</p>
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		<title>By: A.D.M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.D.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have been in the pro-white movement for many years now and I am familiar with the narrative of history you posted; I simply believe it is not true. European Americans are not guilty of any crimes. We are not bigots, ignorant, or any other label you wish to append to us. You are calling us names. You must cite specific examples where you allege a white person has done something wrong, and then the posters here can debate the issue.&quot; - Jason Smith

First of all, you are not European. You&#039;re about as European as Domino&#039;s Pizza is an authentic Italian restaurant. Second, you are a bigot because of the comments you made against folks that don&#039;t look like you. Third, you are ignorant because you take what&#039;s said at WN sites as gospel. Fourth, I can post numerous articles concerning the genocide against Native Americans - a real genocide - at the hands of white settlers. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny

You fail in U.S. history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have been in the pro-white movement for many years now and I am familiar with the narrative of history you posted; I simply believe it is not true. European Americans are not guilty of any crimes. We are not bigots, ignorant, or any other label you wish to append to us. You are calling us names. You must cite specific examples where you allege a white person has done something wrong, and then the posters here can debate the issue.&#8221; &#8211; Jason Smith</p>
<p>First of all, you are not European. You&#8217;re about as European as Domino&#8217;s Pizza is an authentic Italian restaurant. Second, you are a bigot because of the comments you made against folks that don&#8217;t look like you. Third, you are ignorant because you take what&#8217;s said at WN sites as gospel. Fourth, I can post numerous articles concerning the genocide against Native Americans &#8211; a real genocide &#8211; at the hands of white settlers. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny</a></p>
<p>You fail in U.S. history.</p>
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		<title>By: A.D.M.</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/07/immigrant-hating-environmentalists-enraged-at-exclusion-from-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-398224</link>
		<dc:creator>A.D.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My response: I suppose his comment was meant as a joke. I’ve heard statements like this before and I am familiar with it. Mitch, the mistake you are making is you need to consider large statistical populations. If there is just one person, either myself or some idealized immigrant poster child that fits your narrative, of course it makes no sense. You must consider there is a vast population streaming from Mexico into the USA consisting of many millions of people. There are now 11 million illegal aliens. By some estimates it is higher.&quot; - Jason Smith

Actually, the Obama Administration has had a record number deportations since 2009. Last year, 2011, there were nearly 400,000 deportations and Obama Administration has deported more people than the Bush, Jr. Administration. Because of that, Obama&#039;s Latino support has decreased.

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/12/increased-deportations-reduce-obamas-popularity-with-latinos-but-he-still-trounces-romney-perry-in-match-up/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/18/deportations-customs-remove-record-number_n_1018002.html

Because of those record number of deportations, the amount of folks crossing the southern border into the U.S. has dropped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My response: I suppose his comment was meant as a joke. I’ve heard statements like this before and I am familiar with it. Mitch, the mistake you are making is you need to consider large statistical populations. If there is just one person, either myself or some idealized immigrant poster child that fits your narrative, of course it makes no sense. You must consider there is a vast population streaming from Mexico into the USA consisting of many millions of people. There are now 11 million illegal aliens. By some estimates it is higher.&#8221; &#8211; Jason Smith</p>
<p>Actually, the Obama Administration has had a record number deportations since 2009. Last year, 2011, there were nearly 400,000 deportations and Obama Administration has deported more people than the Bush, Jr. Administration. Because of that, Obama&#8217;s Latino support has decreased.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/12/increased-deportations-reduce-obamas-popularity-with-latinos-but-he-still-trounces-romney-perry-in-match-up/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.chron.com/txpotoma.....-match-up/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/18/deportations-customs-remove-record-number_n_1018002.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....18002.html</a></p>
<p>Because of those record number of deportations, the amount of folks crossing the southern border into the U.S. has dropped.</p>
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		<title>By: ruben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again non native europeans to north america have created the most and in many cases irreversible DAMAGE to this enviroment...rubliw says illegal immigrants kill animals in the canyons....compare that to the millions of bison that were slaughtered by the europeans....and all the other wild life that became extinct or pushed to the brink of extinction by the immigrants from europe....all the pristine forests cut down....feces in the streams?how about industrial chemicals in the streams from all the factories.in the 300 years or so that the europeans have been in the new world they have created more devastation to this land than all the thousands of years before that the natives have been here.....jason i am not calling names just stating facts....but the truth hurts.....for many thousands of years the native people took only what they needed to survive and had respect for the enviroment and eco system but when the euro&#039;s came greed came with them and it was pretty much all she wrote.....one thing i have learned about the pro white people is that they are hypocrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again non native europeans to north america have created the most and in many cases irreversible DAMAGE to this enviroment&#8230;rubliw says illegal immigrants kill animals in the canyons&#8230;.compare that to the millions of bison that were slaughtered by the europeans&#8230;.and all the other wild life that became extinct or pushed to the brink of extinction by the immigrants from europe&#8230;.all the pristine forests cut down&#8230;.feces in the streams?how about industrial chemicals in the streams from all the factories.in the 300 years or so that the europeans have been in the new world they have created more devastation to this land than all the thousands of years before that the natives have been here&#8230;..jason i am not calling names just stating facts&#8230;.but the truth hurts&#8230;..for many thousands of years the native people took only what they needed to survive and had respect for the enviroment and eco system but when the euro&#8217;s came greed came with them and it was pretty much all she wrote&#8230;..one thing i have learned about the pro white people is that they are hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>By: rubliw</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubliw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say illegal immigration has no effect on our environment is ridiculous.  Have you not seen the trails they use?  The pounds and pounds of trash they have left behind,leaving it as a dump.  How about those canyon camps, can you say fire?  trash?  or how about feces in the streams.  I do believe that&#039;s environmental. They kill the animals in the canyon, how do we know one day it won&#039;t be a protected species?  Only those with their head in the sand and fighting groups with a vindictive vendetta can not see this?  Instead of helping America they&#039;d rather lie, fake or whatever is necessary to try and prove their point about any group they want to hate.  (which is a whole lot)  This censorship in the media, in groups, in anything where equal ideas should be exchanged and learned.  Why preach to the choir?  Share and learn people!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say illegal immigration has no effect on our environment is ridiculous.  Have you not seen the trails they use?  The pounds and pounds of trash they have left behind,leaving it as a dump.  How about those canyon camps, can you say fire?  trash?  or how about feces in the streams.  I do believe that&#8217;s environmental. They kill the animals in the canyon, how do we know one day it won&#8217;t be a protected species?  Only those with their head in the sand and fighting groups with a vindictive vendetta can not see this?  Instead of helping America they&#8217;d rather lie, fake or whatever is necessary to try and prove their point about any group they want to hate.  (which is a whole lot)  This censorship in the media, in groups, in anything where equal ideas should be exchanged and learned.  Why preach to the choir?  Share and learn people!!!</p>
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