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	<title>Comments on: Beck Ridicules Cop-Killing Movement as Insignificant</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-1717052</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems more like a smear campaign against Beck than a legitimate article on the issue. Additionally, Captain Jack, get off your high horse. Anna said if you put it in porportion that the numbers of shootings were low, not that it was completely unimportant. People die more in gang shootings, which includes cops, than simple police shootings. So Captain Jack, are you saying that we shouldn&#039;t care about gang shootings? Are you suggesting that the police matter more than the public? Furthermore, I doubt in the larger picture that Soverign Citizens will draw any &quot;young, less educated folks&quot; and are probably not that dangerous. Most of those young, uneducated folks that you mentioned are more likely to vote Democrat and possess a lack of knowledge in the proper distribution of federal powers. And sadly, they are willing to abuse the very political system itself at the hope of something better. Under your own standards that would make the Democratic Party a hate group, wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems more like a smear campaign against Beck than a legitimate article on the issue. Additionally, Captain Jack, get off your high horse. Anna said if you put it in porportion that the numbers of shootings were low, not that it was completely unimportant. People die more in gang shootings, which includes cops, than simple police shootings. So Captain Jack, are you saying that we shouldn&#8217;t care about gang shootings? Are you suggesting that the police matter more than the public? Furthermore, I doubt in the larger picture that Soverign Citizens will draw any &#8220;young, less educated folks&#8221; and are probably not that dangerous. Most of those young, uneducated folks that you mentioned are more likely to vote Democrat and possess a lack of knowledge in the proper distribution of federal powers. And sadly, they are willing to abuse the very political system itself at the hope of something better. Under your own standards that would make the Democratic Party a hate group, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: MrsCaptJack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-421285</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsCaptJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna ~ Next time you need the police, I hope you remember what you wrote above.  Obviously, you&#039;ve never worked in a cop shop or had friends who were police officers because if you had, you&#039;d realize how horrid your statement is.

The sovereign citizen movement IS very dangerous because (sadly) younger, less educated folks can fall for it in the hopes of something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna ~ Next time you need the police, I hope you remember what you wrote above.  Obviously, you&#8217;ve never worked in a cop shop or had friends who were police officers because if you had, you&#8217;d realize how horrid your statement is.</p>
<p>The sovereign citizen movement IS very dangerous because (sadly) younger, less educated folks can fall for it in the hopes of something better.</p>
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		<title>By: jwd</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-403875</link>
		<dc:creator>jwd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One senseless murder by members of the &quot;Sovereign Citizens&quot; is one too many. An organization whose only objective is to eliminate any and all authority figures. They should be investigated and dismantled ASAP like any other terrorist group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One senseless murder by members of the &#8220;Sovereign Citizens&#8221; is one too many. An organization whose only objective is to eliminate any and all authority figures. They should be investigated and dismantled ASAP like any other terrorist group.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna (not the one above)</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-403105</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna (not the one above)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 04:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you study the extreme militia  - they trot out a set number of their terroristic events - at the top of the list they trot out, is that specific police killing (train their members, use it as an example). They have a script each can pretty much spout out at the drop of a hat. I see here that Beck put their script out loud on air.  Why is Glenn Beck behaving on air like a member of the extreme militia? Is he a member of extreme militia group? Does anyone know if he belongs to e.g., Stormfront? Has Stormfront claimed him as a member?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you study the extreme militia  &#8211; they trot out a set number of their terroristic events &#8211; at the top of the list they trot out, is that specific police killing (train their members, use it as an example). They have a script each can pretty much spout out at the drop of a hat. I see here that Beck put their script out loud on air.  Why is Glenn Beck behaving on air like a member of the extreme militia? Is he a member of extreme militia group? Does anyone know if he belongs to e.g., Stormfront? Has Stormfront claimed him as a member?</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-402585</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider police killings extremely vile and unforgivable, and very serious business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider police killings extremely vile and unforgivable, and very serious business.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-401804</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t &quot;We The People&quot; demand that all so-called &quot;journalists&quot; on tv., whether in a group or who have their own show GET THE FACTS CHECKED first, DO RESEARCH first, and report the news OBJECTIVELY-----like Walter Cronkite did??? Aren&#039;t we ALL sick and damned TIRED of idiots like Glenn Beck?? Time to write some angry letters, make some angry noise, and TELL the networks how we feel.  In fact, while you&#039;re at it, let&#039;s all get the Westboro Baptist Church to protest HIM while he&#039;s still alive, and SKIP the Whitney Houston funeral. Who&#039;s with me???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t &#8220;We The People&#8221; demand that all so-called &#8220;journalists&#8221; on tv., whether in a group or who have their own show GET THE FACTS CHECKED first, DO RESEARCH first, and report the news OBJECTIVELY&#8212;&#8211;like Walter Cronkite did??? Aren&#8217;t we ALL sick and damned TIRED of idiots like Glenn Beck?? Time to write some angry letters, make some angry noise, and TELL the networks how we feel.  In fact, while you&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s all get the Westboro Baptist Church to protest HIM while he&#8217;s still alive, and SKIP the Whitney Houston funeral. Who&#8217;s with me???</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-401582</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beck is indeed nothing more than a rodeo clown as he calls himself so aptly, but he seems to strike a chord with so many lower-functioning folks out in the woodwork and gets them all psyched up with his antics and veiled suggestions for action. In my little corner of the world, rural central Florida, his followers are many and rabid and emulate his attitude daily. They have lots of time on their hands nowadays, being &quot;disabled/homebound&quot; (Read: Chronically unemployed) and have lots of hostility to vent.  Beck and a few others are their protagonist/mentor for all sorts of essentially anti-social behaviors. He&#039;s a dangerous man beneath his grin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beck is indeed nothing more than a rodeo clown as he calls himself so aptly, but he seems to strike a chord with so many lower-functioning folks out in the woodwork and gets them all psyched up with his antics and veiled suggestions for action. In my little corner of the world, rural central Florida, his followers are many and rabid and emulate his attitude daily. They have lots of time on their hands nowadays, being &#8220;disabled/homebound&#8221; (Read: Chronically unemployed) and have lots of hostility to vent.  Beck and a few others are their protagonist/mentor for all sorts of essentially anti-social behaviors. He&#8217;s a dangerous man beneath his grin!</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400832</link>
		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna,

Killing police officers is certainly the most heinous, but it isn&#039;t the only kind of criminal activity the sovereigns engage in. The SPLC has reported on numerous instances of plain old-fashioned scams and frauds these yoyos have perpetrated. Economic sabotage can be just as destructive as the kind that involves TNT.

As for the appeal to statistics, if someone shoots at you 100 times and only hits you once, are you going to say, &quot;Well, but they missed me 99 percent of the time&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna,</p>
<p>Killing police officers is certainly the most heinous, but it isn&#8217;t the only kind of criminal activity the sovereigns engage in. The SPLC has reported on numerous instances of plain old-fashioned scams and frauds these yoyos have perpetrated. Economic sabotage can be just as destructive as the kind that involves TNT.</p>
<p>As for the appeal to statistics, if someone shoots at you 100 times and only hits you once, are you going to say, &#8220;Well, but they missed me 99 percent of the time&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400809</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not that big a problem&quot;, Anna? So they should be ignored?  

Should we have brushed off AL Qaeda as &quot;not that big a problem&quot; because prior to 9/11 there was very little statistical history that made them a threat &quot;when put into proportion&quot; with other acts of violence against American citizens? 

Did you read the FBI report? It&#039;s the job of the FBI to alert other law enforcement agencies of rising movements and potential problems that may develop out of the ideological teachings, recruitment, and actions of such groups. And it is the job of the president, as Commander in Chief (like any other member of the U.S. Armed Forces) &quot;to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;&quot;.

If you (or Beck) are defending these people, you are condoning anti-American activity and should rightfully be considered enemies of the state - regardless how &quot;right&quot; you think your radical views or “beliefs” might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not that big a problem&#8221;, Anna? So they should be ignored?  </p>
<p>Should we have brushed off AL Qaeda as &#8220;not that big a problem&#8221; because prior to 9/11 there was very little statistical history that made them a threat &#8220;when put into proportion&#8221; with other acts of violence against American citizens? </p>
<p>Did you read the FBI report? It&#8217;s the job of the FBI to alert other law enforcement agencies of rising movements and potential problems that may develop out of the ideological teachings, recruitment, and actions of such groups. And it is the job of the president, as Commander in Chief (like any other member of the U.S. Armed Forces) &#8220;to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you (or Beck) are defending these people, you are condoning anti-American activity and should rightfully be considered enemies of the state &#8211; regardless how &#8220;right&#8221; you think your radical views or “beliefs” might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400755</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anecdotal evidence aside, very few cops are killed on the job by anyone - &quot;Sovereign Citizen&quot; or otherwise. (According to a CNN, it was 173 in 2011, although the number fluctuates widely by year.) And only six killings - that is, one in every two years - have been attributed to the &quot;Sovereign Citizens&quot;. While these crimes should be addressed and prosecuted, of course, Glenn Beck is entirely correct in saying that these people are not that big of a problem when you put it in proportion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdotal evidence aside, very few cops are killed on the job by anyone &#8211; &#8220;Sovereign Citizen&#8221; or otherwise. (According to a CNN, it was 173 in 2011, although the number fluctuates widely by year.) And only six killings &#8211; that is, one in every two years &#8211; have been attributed to the &#8220;Sovereign Citizens&#8221;. While these crimes should be addressed and prosecuted, of course, Glenn Beck is entirely correct in saying that these people are not that big of a problem when you put it in proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400592</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Black Panther Party is not a leftist group.  The old one was.  

Beck and other conservatives tend to defend these people because they are white, middle class types. It&#039;s just like the way conservative radio hosts defended Randy Weaver back in the 90&#039;s.  None of them were going to come out in support of his beliefs of course, but by portraying him as a victim it was a dog whistle to all white people who secretly harbor racial attitudes.  In fact Randy Weaver was damned lucky the FBI exercised as much restraint as they did.  Had that house been full of Islamic fundamentalists or otherwise non-white criminals, they most likely would have opened fire in a manner similar to the SLA shootout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Black Panther Party is not a leftist group.  The old one was.  </p>
<p>Beck and other conservatives tend to defend these people because they are white, middle class types. It&#8217;s just like the way conservative radio hosts defended Randy Weaver back in the 90&#8217;s.  None of them were going to come out in support of his beliefs of course, but by portraying him as a victim it was a dog whistle to all white people who secretly harbor racial attitudes.  In fact Randy Weaver was damned lucky the FBI exercised as much restraint as they did.  Had that house been full of Islamic fundamentalists or otherwise non-white criminals, they most likely would have opened fire in a manner similar to the SLA shootout.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400591</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could fill volumes with what Beck doesn&#039;t know.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&#039;I’m in the news business,&#039; he said in one of his more dubious recent claims, &#039;and I don’t even know who they are. Sovereign citizens?&#039;&quot;

Let&#039;s assume - and this is a pretty darn big leap, I confess - that Beck is telling the truth here. Imagine for a moment if a liberal or centrist journalist (a real journalist) said s/he didn&#039;t know who the New Black Panther Party or some other extremist group on the left was. Now, imagine the right-wing freak out that would ensue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;I’m in the news business,&#8217; he said in one of his more dubious recent claims, &#8216;and I don’t even know who they are. Sovereign citizens?&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume &#8211; and this is a pretty darn big leap, I confess &#8211; that Beck is telling the truth here. Imagine for a moment if a liberal or centrist journalist (a real journalist) said s/he didn&#8217;t know who the New Black Panther Party or some other extremist group on the left was. Now, imagine the right-wing freak out that would ensue.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An incorrect traffic stop can endanger the life of an officer even if he has intercepted a common felon or unstable person. Instructing officers in precaution without brutality is a long overdue step. &quot;Sovereigns&quot; pose an additional problem in that they think they *are* the law...they, and they alone.

Jointly, each of us holds 1/310 millionth of the sovereignty, and elect governments to make laws and exercise them on our behalf. Every &quot;sovereign&quot; who decides he is a law unto himself is usurping the sovereignty of the rest of us. That is not only arrogance, but potentially murderous arrogance. The polity has a right to defend itself from it, and to have its executors instructed in how to do so. That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An incorrect traffic stop can endanger the life of an officer even if he has intercepted a common felon or unstable person. Instructing officers in precaution without brutality is a long overdue step. &#8220;Sovereigns&#8221; pose an additional problem in that they think they *are* the law&#8230;they, and they alone.</p>
<p>Jointly, each of us holds 1/310 millionth of the sovereignty, and elect governments to make laws and exercise them on our behalf. Every &#8220;sovereign&#8221; who decides he is a law unto himself is usurping the sovereignty of the rest of us. That is not only arrogance, but potentially murderous arrogance. The polity has a right to defend itself from it, and to have its executors instructed in how to do so. That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/13/beck-ridicules-cop-killing-movement-as-insignificant/comment-page-1/#comment-400446</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Glenny. You&#039;re not so much the &#039;rodeo clown,&#039; as you are the remnants of the bucking bronco&#039;s lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Glenny. You&#8217;re not so much the &#8216;rodeo clown,&#8217; as you are the remnants of the bucking bronco&#8217;s lunch.</p>
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