Comments on: Arizona Murder Suspect Uses ‘Sovereign’ Language in Court http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: MrsCaptJack http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-421266 MrsCaptJack Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:19:00 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-421266 One reason our legal system is so clogged is because if there is even one shred of a legal argument in anything this idiot says, it has to be heard. It’s a murder case so sadly, even with all the evidence saying he did (even if he admits he did it) he can later retract his confession on a number of grounds.

And whoever said Arizona was like Disneyland to these guys seems to be quite correct. Seems like every other story I read like this is in Arizona and many are in Maricopa county.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-404959 Leslie Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:24:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-404959 http://tinyurl.com/6nqoy48
There was a front page article today in the L.A. Times about the sovereign citizen movement and the threat they pose to law enforcement. The work that SPLC is doing on this front is also mentioned.

]]> By: Kiwiwriter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-402581 Kiwiwriter Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:57:05 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-402581 Well, his defense isn’t going to get far…except maybe with his like-minded cellmates.

]]> By: Betsy http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401746 Betsy Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:07:32 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401746 I know someone who engages in this kind of thinking, and he’s capable of this kind of crime, and people don’t take him seriously, and he’s VERY disturbed. Someone who behaves this way is definitely psychotic and needs both psychiatric intervention as well as an environment that protects society.

]]> By: Jane Schiff http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401715 Jane Schiff Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:41:34 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401715 I’ve a question re: the killing of Lawrence and Glenna Shapiro. Does anything point to the possibility that their murders were antisemitic hate crimes? Or – did Michael Lee Crane simply expand his reach unrelated to
antisemitism?

]]> By: ruben http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401637 ruben Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:49:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401637 yes there are nut cases on both right and left… but the right wing nut cases are the ones usually armed to the teeth and who will use the deadly force to get there way….so there is really zero comparison….it seems that arizona has become kinda like a disneyland for all the right wing nuts….it is infested with them.

]]> By: Greg deGiere http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401621 Greg deGiere Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:01:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401621 He evidently has fallen into magical thinking, believing that saying the right words in the right order will produce certain results (in this case, his freedom) when there’s no evidence to support that belief. He evidently had a real gun and used it to kill real people, but part of his belief system — whether it warped by “sovereign” ideology, drug use, or whatever — appears to be delusional.

]]> By: Wolf Wickham http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401612 Wolf Wickham Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:35:09 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401612 There are nut cases on both the right and the left.

]]> By: Karla http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401607 Karla Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:19:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401607 His response is “whatever”?

No doubt exhibiting that degree of legally sophisticated jargon will have him headed for a seat on the Supreme Court someday.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401601 Ryan Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:59:55 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401601 If these legal loopholes that SCs play on really existed, I’m sure they’d have been rectified by now.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401595 Joshua Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:42:26 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401595 These morons entered the Twilight Zone a LONG time ago.

]]> By: Aron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401560 Aron Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:20:35 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401560 Nothing quite like muttering ‘Whatever’ to the judge who hold the power of your life or death. This could be a fun one, folks!

]]> By: DrMJG http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401450 DrMJG Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:12:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401450 Well, the process has the strong potential of simply removing this man for a LONG time from the society he so hates. Sounds like a win-win situation! (Sarcasm fully intended.)

]]> By: Shadow Wolf http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401391 Shadow Wolf Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:26:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401391 He certainly wasn’t too bright. The problem with him trying to “memorize” the “sovereign’s” play script, is a direct indication that he fried his brain(possibly on meth). The results of their wanton drug addiction led them on a 4 day bloody crime spree. The F.B.I. were also involved in the search and apprehension of that un-American killer, precisely because of his “sovereign” ideals. Traitorous “sovereigns” are not to be taken lightly. They must be dealt with accordingly.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/15/arizona-murder-suspect-uses-sovereign-language-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-401368 Reynardine Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:13:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8717#comment-401368 I congratulate him on the subacuity of his defense, and hope he exsartaginates further on this line of reasoning.

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