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New SPLC Report: ‘Patriot’ Movement Explodes
The number of antigovernment “Patriot” groups grew at an astounding pace last year, as it has in all three years of the Obama presidency, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) annual count of extremist groups, released today. The number of these groups rose from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 last year.
This dramatic expansion of the radical right was driven by fears related to economic dislocation, the country’s changing racial makeup, and the prospect of four more years under our first black president. The campaign season, with its vitriolic rhetoric, has also contributed to the overheated atmosphere that is fostering these groups. In addition, many politicians and other public figures increasingly have been pushing conspiracy theories and demonizing rhetoric into the political mainstream.
The report on SPLC’s annual count and review of the last year in American extremism may be found here. The table of contents for the entire new issue of the SPLC’s Intelligence Report is here. What follows are synopses of the major stories found in the new edition.
- Last year, little noticed by the mass media, a Massachusetts man burned himself to death to protest treatment of men by family courts. The death opened a window into a dark world, sometimes called the “manosphere,” of woman-hating “men’s rights” activists.
- The National Association for Research Therapy of Homosexuality, which promotes therapies that supposedly “cure” gay people, is seen by many as the preeminent source of “junk science” that demonizes homosexuality.
- The little-known Church at Kaweah in California boasts of a “militant Christian separatist worldview” and is training its congregants for armed combat against the “New World Order.”
- Four members of a Georgia militia were in their late 60s and 70s, but officials say that didn’t stop them from planning assassinations, bombings and biological attacks.
- Floridian Camille Marino is the newest star on the radical animal rights scene, and she’s frightening. “If I have my way,” she says, “you’ll be praying to us for mercy.”
- Breaking a long silence, the son of the neo-Nazi who murdered a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum describes how his father ruined his life. Now, Erik von Brunn is just trying to survive.
- The United Nation’s Agenda 21 accord is a voluntary global sustainability initiative. But to hear antigovernment hardliners tell it, it’s the leading edge of one-world totalitarianism.
- Bad press, internecine quarrels and co-optation of their issue by state legislatures have almost halved the number of hard-line anti-immigration groups in America.
The New York Times ran a story this morning reprising the findings of the new SPLC Report. Another, longer story was prepared by MSNBC. CNN also weighed in.
on March 8th, 2012 at 9:40 am
It has been my experience that anyone who describes themselves as a “Patriot” (upper case P) are usually anything but, if we rely on a dictionary to describe the meaning of the word.
on March 8th, 2012 at 9:48 am
I have seen some of the “manosphere” posts you have alluded to, and we have all seen legislatures pushing misogynist legislation and heard Rush Limbaugh’s inflammatory rhetoric towards a female law student who dared to want to testify, as spokeswoman for an advocacy group, about insurance coverage for contraception and post-rape medical care. The implication of such a site as “RegisterHer”, which outs the identities and locations of rape and abuse victims, is ugly in the extreme. Even before the rise of an internet “manosphere” such victims have been subjected to terrible levels of fear through stalking. So have their lawyers, and even judges have been at risk if they ruled in favor of these women. One locally had his dog poisoned after ruling in favor of a woman I later represented. I found this out later, after my own dog was poisoned. Misogynist hate groups running sites like RegisterHer are going to make this situation many times worse.
on March 8th, 2012 at 11:19 am
This is really weird because I used to live in a town called Tomball in Texas. Also, I hate misogyny to the core, but I was impressed by the term “ass harpies.”
on March 8th, 2012 at 11:49 am
The despicable Tea Pottier and “Patriot Movement” has also crept it’s slimy hands into our U.S. military branches. A Marine has gone as far as to disobey any orders from our current Commander-in-Chief, via his Facebook page. He founded the “Armed Forces Tea Party”. His military code of conduct is questionable. And I believe that Sgt. has no business serving this country, serving the American people. And certainly no business protecting America’s interests. The unAmerican movement is surely a cause for alarm.
on March 8th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Tomball? Both my toms have balls; male cats without them are called “gibs”. I guess Tom was a stud and Gilbert was a dud, but that is back in linguistic history.
Wolf, by allowing Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the like to broadcast continually to our armed forces, our command is encouraging mutiny against the Commander in Chief, in violation of 18 USC 2387 et seq. and is liable to prosecution for it. Senator Durbin has expressed concern over it, but feels it is “not his place to legislate”. In the first place, the foregoing legislation already exists; in the second place, it is exactly the business of legislators to legislate. If you can document this, copy one file to him and one to the USAG and say exactly what you said here. The last thing we need in this country is “Traitor Battalions”, let alone another Civil War.
on March 8th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I was mistaken, Wolf; that was Sen Carl Levin. The blog where I got the info was taken down a number of times by hackers, so I couldn’t check that till now.
on March 8th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Rey,
I agree. There has to be line drawn somewhere. I also believed this Marine Sgt. may have stepped into TREASONOUS waters. It’s gone too far.
Whatever happened to “Semper Fi”?
on March 8th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
This does not surprise me about the hate groups. My husband and I have bee living in Wisconsin and I mean to tell you that I have seen some real hate out this way. But what’s disturbing is that these people stalk and believe that they have a right to push their beliefs on others.
It appears that they are simply organized bigots and it’s very sad to see so much ignorance concentrated in these small areas of Wisconsin. I hope that it’s not like this all over. But you can tell just by looking at whose employed in many of the local business’s it’s a hard pressing matter to find minorities at any of the counters taking orders.
And the attitude is underline hostile by the local Nazi wannabes.
on March 8th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
It also appears that the so called “Patriot” groups not all of them mind you but as I read about the ones calling themselves Patriots who are really just hate groups, there’s nothing more unpatriotic.
on March 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
He has surely committed sedition. Apparently there are some people think “Semper Fi” applies only when the President is white, or only whe he’s Republican, or only when he’s a white Republican.
on March 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
We need to be aware of covert racist activity as well. The ones who literally stalk their victims commit trespassing and property damage in the name of their sick and twisted cause.
There is nothing patriotic about people who act in this way. It is the furthest away you can get from “American”. These people live in a world of their own bent on twisted ideals and it’s unfortunate that they are living here in America.
on March 8th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Looking at the updated hate group list, I can’t help but wonder what took so long for You Can Run But You Cannot Hide to make the list of anti-gay groups.
For those that haven’t heard of the group:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#38633909
And I am very, VERY glad to see that some Islamic groups other than the Nation of Islam are finally listed as hate groups. I was disapointed to see that many other groups such as Revolution Muslim and the Islamic Thinkers Society did not make the list, but still a terrific start. Kudos, Intelligence Project.
on March 8th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Addendum:
Two questions about the list of anti-Muslim groups. First, do websites count as hate groups. I vaugly remember someone at the Intelligence Project differentiating between hate sites and hate groups, namely by saying a site only counts as a hate group if it has activities outside the Internet. I’m not sure many of the groups listed as anti-Muslim qualify.
Second, Faith Freedom International is a well-respected group for ex-Muslims fleeing persecution. Its creator, Ali Sina, has been targeted for death threats many times. The site, while critical of Islam as many sites are critical of many religions, does not advocate discrimination against Muslims as far as I know. If a site that offers support for those leaving a religion or simply criticizing a religion is a hate group, then many groups such as American Atheists, the Richard Dawkins Foundation, Internet Infidels, or the Freedom From Religion Foundation are all hate groups. That I find hard to believe.
on March 8th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
The same thing has been happening in Alexandria, MN., douglas co. as the woman mentions what is happening in the small towns of Wisconsin.
The same same thing……EXACTLY. Homegrown terrorism is more rampant than ppl think.
yes, stalking, trespassing, and property damage…….they use the tactics listed on covert organized gang stalking, to terrorize common ppl. there is law enforcement envolvement as well. To run single, or divorced women with children, blacks, gays out of this region.
This is what I have uncovered by connecting the sickening dots after I have received no help from Law enforcement here. The rest of L.E. look the other way.
on March 8th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
You can go onto the DOD website and request that Rush Limbaugh be removed from Armed Forces radio.
on March 9th, 2012 at 5:04 am
Wow. The voices of hypocrasy here are deafening from the hatred of the supposed “manosphere” to the erroneous understanding of treason. Amazing. I’m at a loss for words…
on March 9th, 2012 at 6:22 am
I have to love it when these idiot woman-haters from the US whine about “feminist golddiggers”(pretty much an oxymoron) and then think the solution will be finding a mail-order bride in Eastern Europe, where in many countries being a golddigger doesn’t even carry the same stigma as in the States. These guys pay through the nose to visit Moscow or Kiev and typically get hosed by women who are far smarter than them.
on March 9th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Ruslan, there’s a guy down the street from me who did exactly that. He believes in Ron Paul, too.
on March 9th, 2012 at 8:51 am
“I’m at a loss for words…”
Yeah, looks like you’re at a loss for coherent arguments as well.
on March 9th, 2012 at 8:59 am
And spelling.
on March 9th, 2012 at 11:01 am
There’s going to be a Second American Civil War. You watch. It’ll be based on everything: race, ethnicity, class, gender, sexual orientation, you name it. There is way too much tension in all those forms in the U.S. today without some powder keg lighting it to implode.
on March 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Ian wrote:
“Faith Freedom International is a well-respected group for ex-Muslims fleeing persecution. Its creator, Ali Sina, has been targeted for death threats many times. The site, while critical of Islam as many sites are critical of many religions, does not advocate discrimination against Muslims as far as I know.”
It’s “well-respected” by people such as Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders, who have contributed to its website. And yes, the pseudonymous “Ali Sina” claims to have received death threats. But as far as not advocating discrimination against Muslims goes, it’s sort of irrelevant when “Ali Sina” does, clearly and loudly, advocate the total eradication of Islam itself. Personally, I find it hard to believe he’s really an ex-Muslim, as his views so clearly and neatly align with those of Spencer, Pam Gellar, Franklin Graham and other Western anti-Muslim bigots.
on March 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Unfortunately the “men’s rights” people are all over all sorts of blawgs (at least in the criminal law area) – there are some smart defense oriented people who are concerned about false rape accusations and while many seem to overstate their numbers – others just hate women and there is no other way to put it – dare to express an opinion as a woman and you will hear vile insults. These are not the manosphere – these are websites for the discussion of law.
When your complaint is that you were found to abused your 4 year old daughter after smacking her in the mouth, you are not advocating for father’s rights – you are advocating for child abuse. There is nothing which can justify smacking a 4 year old child – especially in an area where injury is likely.
on March 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
CM,
“‘Ali Sina’ does, clearly and loudly, advocate the total eradication of Islam itself.”
The websites I previously mentioned also want religion to be eradicated. Does that make Richard Dawkins a hate group leader?
“Personally, I find it hard to believe he’s really an ex-Muslim,[...]”
And you’re an expert on guessing the perviously held beliefs of activists?
I see no difference between Sina’s views on Islam, other ex-Muslims views on Islam, or my views on Christianity.
A. D. M.,
Tell you what. I’ll bet you a $100 donation to UNICEF that we will not be in a civil war ten years from now.
$100 in 2022 money, of course. I probably will not be rich then either.
on March 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Misogyny has become pretty rampant in at least some legal circles, I think, because what was once an exclusively male preserve has been entered by increasing numbers of women, and some law schools are graduating more women than men. Furthermore, some of the worst misogynists of the bench and bar I have seen have been women- often aging “queen bees” who can’t stand it that younger women are making it on their own merits rather than charming their way in, the way these now fading beauties did. I believe you are seeing some of the worst shite on these blogs. Also, violently misogynist males often hire female attorneys when they get in trouble, and the latter have to do some fancy dancing inside their own heads to resolve the cognitive dissonance. For them, *other* women become conniving little bitches.
on March 9th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I sure do appreciate all of the S.P.L.Center’s hard work in putting together this new Intelligence Report. Here in northern Idaho and over in Eastern Washington, there are members of the U.S. Congress i.e. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers who haven’t said word one about the potential hazards to public safety posed by paranoid and heavily armed angry Caucasians, who want the federal government to, “Get out of the way!” Recently, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich have emphasized that the federal government just needs to get out of the way and some of these groups just aren’t into writing letters to the editor or writing about their concerns..there are a number of bald, angry, and paranoid Caucasians in our area, who manufacture lithium-methamphetamine in large quantities, to help fund their activities…fortunately, there was a large federal sweep in Eastern Washington, a couple of months ago, and hopefully, it might have gotten their attention but probably only increased their hyper-hatred of law enforcement…congrats all around to the federal meth-busters!!!
on March 9th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Ian, I hope I’m wrong. Maybe I’m being paranoid, but with all the tensions going on, I’m afraid something bad could happen.
on March 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
So a Marine protests the unconstitutional actions of his Commander In Chief, and suddenly he’s guilty not only of dereliction of duty, but “hate”? Fess up – y’all were salivating at the prospect of any soldier doing the same to Bush. If it was brave and noble then, it is so now. Besides, that devil dog took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against anyone, particularly his own leaders. I say he is discharging his sworn duty. Dissent is STILL the highest form of patriotism. Put up or shut up.
on March 10th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I wonder if these movements for hating women have any connection to repressed and denied homosexuality among the movements’ leaders? Someone could do a great psychological study on the subject.
on March 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Ian,
There’s a considerable difference between someone like Dawkins who would like to see religion vanish from the pages of history and someone like “Ali Sina” who has a vendetta against the followers of one particular religion. Would you see a difference if what we were talking about was “as far as not advocating discrimination against Jews … does, clearly and loudly, advocate the total eradication of Judaism itself”?
“And you’re an expert on guessing the perviously held beliefs of activists?”
I made it quite clear that I was expressing an opinion, which I’m entitled to do, so blow it out your ad hominem.
No one who visits Faith Freedom International’s website would confuse it with the kind of objective, reasonable source of information on Islam that you seem to want to portray it as. It’s intemperate and inflammatory. Whether “Ali Sina” is really an ex-Muslim or not, what’s obvious is what he is now: a fanatic.
on March 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
“So a Marine protests the unconstitutional actions of his Commander In Chief, and suddenly he’s guilty not only of dereliction of duty, but “hate”? ”
What unconstitutional actions?
on March 11th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Patriot groups forming because of wild-eyed New World Order conspiracy theories? You mean like this:
“This week it was Secretary of Defense Panetta’s declaration before the Senate Armed Services Committee that he and President Obama look not to the Congress for authorization to bomb Syria but to NATO and the United Nations…………….“Our goal would be to seek international permission and we would … come to the Congress and inform you and determine how best to approach this, whether or not we would want to get permission from the Congress – I think those are issues we would have to discuss as we decide what to do here
Inform you. Not get your approval, but inform you.
Can you say Impeachment?
Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor…..
on March 11th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
You all should find this brief selection from a recent book review interesting:
“Despite wielding all this power, multiracialists (SPLC)know that most Whites have not yet embraced their moral system. Any suggestion that there are legitimate alternatives (Patriots) becomes a source of fearful anxiety. Multiracialists try to prevent their opponents from speaking because they believe that most Whites would want to listen, and thus they fear anything that challenges their totalitarian ideology. The emperor has no clothes, requiring an intensive, never-ending effort to make it seem like he’s actually very well-dressed. (Thus, the study on the Patriots!)
Finally, I couldn’t agree more that “we should never tire of identifying Jewish hypocrisy on racial issues and never fear repetition.” A major source of the power of the mainstream media is that it endlessly repeats its anti-White propaganda.
The Anti-Defamation League and other Jewish organizations insist on Israel as a Jewish ethnostate (see below on immigration) and resolutely oppose any sense that governments should pursue the interests of their European-descended majorities. It is perhaps the most glaring hypocrisy imaginable. However, a measure of Jewish power is that Jewish activists routinely engage in this hypocrisy without any fear of being mentioned by mainstream politicians or non-Jews in the media. Both groups are well aware of the calamitous consequences for their careers that would ensue should they violate the taboo about discussing Jewish influence.
Although cracks are beginning to appear, mainly as a result of the rise of the Internet, the fact is that Jews have managed to completely control the discourse about Jewish issues, multiculturalism, and the benefits of racial and ethnic diversity with no fear that their double standards, hypocrisy, or falsifications of history will be noticed in the above-ground popular or academic media. It’s really an awesome display of Jewish power.”
The review is referring, of course, to the fact that….”In addition to an active “Jewish return” immigration policy, promoting the family is one of Israel’s important aims in order to secure a medium and long-term “demographic majority” and with it the Jewish character of the state against a background of high birth rates among the Arab population”……….
So open borders are great for Europe and the US, but not so much for israel. And should anyone question this multi-racial utopia, well they are racists and bigots.
THAT is the hypocrisy, and all I can say is, thank god for the internet, cause folks are finally waking up!
on March 11th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Louis Stouch,
“You all should find this brief selection from a recent book review interesting”
See, you’re wrong. Because I didn’t.
CM,
“Would you see a difference if what we were talking about was ‘as far as not advocating discrimination against Jews … does, clearly and loudly, advocate the total eradication of Judaism itself’?”
No, as plenty of right-thinking people also want to see Judaism eradicated.
I am amongst them.
Do you think groups who disagree with Judaism should be labeled hate groups? How many Humanistic Jewish organizations would make the cut?
Why should it make a difference if a group is only attacking one religion? It is not the Intelligence Project’s policy to not label an organization a hate group if it only attacks one race. If strong disagreement with a religion is the same as racism, as you seem to imply, then a group that hates both Jews and black people would not qualify for the hate group label.
It also follows that if tomorrow Faith Freedom reaching out to ex-Aum Shinrikyo members, both the Intelligence Project and you would cease criticizing the group.
“I made it quite clear that I was expressing an opinion, which I’m entitled to do, so blow it out your ad hominem.”
CM robs money from little old ladies.
The above statement is simply my opinion, which I am entitled to.
on March 11th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Stouch, presidents have been going to war without Congressional approval for decades. The trick is to call it a police action, or a humanitarian mission, or just don’t tell anyone about it(like Nixon or Reagan did; I’m sure you called for their impeachment too). The president does not need “permission” from the UN; what they like is a UN stamp of approval so when they commit an act which is essentially the same as “waging aggressive war”(the main charge against the Nazi leadership), it will have the air of international law about it. But in fact there is no such thing as international law, because a law which doesn’t apply equally is not a law at all.
As for your idiotic comments about Jews, the first and foremost problem is that it treats Jews as a monolithic group with some kind of hive mind thinking. In fact there are plenty of Jews who go to great lengths to expose Israeli racism, and many risk their careers to point this out. There is no evidence that “Jews” control any discourse.
“So open borders are great for Europe and the US, but not so much for israel. And should anyone question this multi-racial utopia, well they are racists and bigots.”
The US and Europe do not have “open borders.” You’ve clearly never checked. Those who advocate lax immigration policies could care less where those immigrants come from, because this has nothing to do with race, multiculturalism, or other such nonsense. Immigration advocates are typically those who point out that industrialized nations need to replace their labor force so as to maintain their social security and welfare systems. None of them care where the immigrants come from or what “race” they are.
But in the mind of buffoons like Kevin MacDonald(who I’m guessing was the writer of the piece in question), Jews gather in secret chambers and discuss how they are going to “flood” Europe with African immigrants by giving away free plane tickets and visas or something. Does that sound very likely?
on March 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Ian,
My initial statement:
“Personally, I find it hard to believe he’s really an ex-Muslim, as his views so clearly and neatly align with those of Spencer, Pam Gellar, Franklin Graham and other Western anti-Muslim bigots.”
As you can see, I labeled it personal from the beginning, acknowledged it was a belief and offered a reason why I believe it. Your initial response did not in any way address the content of my statement but attacked my right to hold an opinion on this topic:
“And you’re an expert on guessing the perviously held beliefs of activists?”
Hence the “ad hominem” in my response. The argumentum ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy precisely because it attacks the messenger while leaving the message untouched. In other words, your bit of glib and juvenile sarcasm basically said nothing at all.
And then you compounded the logical felony with your next comment:
“CM robs money from little old ladies.”
“The above statement is simply my opinion, which I am entitled to.”
This is in no way equivalent to my statement: You do, after stating it, acknowledge that it’s an opinion, but you offer no evidence whatsoever to back it up. If I wanted to respond, that’s the first thing I’d point out, but then I might also offer some of the abundant evidence that proves that the content of your statement is false. According to your approach, however, I should respond by saing, “Ian is a moron who has no right to say anything at all about money, robberies or women.” I trust you can see the difference now.
Given your obviously shaky grasp of logic, it’s not surprising that you totally misconstrued my mention of Jews and Judaism, which was intended to point to the truly ominous implications of the kind of eliminationist rhetoric you and “Ali Sina” engage in. I gather (correct me if I’m wrong) that you’re an adherent of the “Religion poisons everything” school of thought. But I’m compelled to point out that religion isn’t some purely abstract thing that can simply be removed from existence, neatly and cleanly; it’s something that lives in people’s minds and daily customs, and can’t just be “eradicated” without doing a certain amount of violence to those people and their lives.
Perhaps more to the point, the claims that anti-religionists like you and, say, Dawkins or Hitchens make are given justification by the same kind of illogic you’ve been bringing to this discussion. “Religion poisons everything” is no more rational than “Islam causes terrorism” or “All Muslims are terrorists.” I know that the scientistic-materialistic-atheistic clique likes to think of itself as the world’s intellectual/cultural elite, but they do so by the neat trick of assuming that their own values and standards are criterial for everyone, and therefore anyone who doesn’t meet those standards is “irrational,” “superstitious,” “mediaeval,” even “primitive.” This mindset was constructed in the first place as an enabling/justifying mechanism for imperialism, and that’s still what it’s mostly about.
on March 12th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
CM,
“You do, after stating it, acknowledge that it’s an opinion, but you offer no evidence whatsoever to back it up.”
Exactly.
I was satirizing your accusation against Sina, which, like mine, personally attacked someone without any evidence.
Name specific “eliminationist rhetoric [I] and ‘Ali Sina’ engage in”. Keep in mind the definition of “eliminationism”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.....ard_2009-0
You may be more familiar with Sina’s writings than me, but I very much know my own beliefs and nowhere in this site or anywhere else have I supported censoring (at best) or killing (at worst) religious people. You’ve specifically accused both Sina and myself of a horrible offense and, unlike me, was not being facetious about it. Back up your statement.
["R]eligion isn’t some purely abstract thing that can simply be removed from existence, neatly and cleanly; it’s something that lives in people’s minds and daily customs, and can’t just be ‘eradicated’ without doing a certain amount of violence to those people and their lives.”
Religion was removed from my life. No violence to me or my life was needed. Same goes for every non-religious person and person who converted to another religion that I know. Many societies in Europe are secular without a bit of blood being shed. All that is required for one to leave a religion is to simply stop believing that the creator of the universe’s son is a dead carpenter, that Muhammad flew on a hourse, that gods live in Mount Olympus, ect. No force is required.
This even applies to specific religious practices. The LDS abandoned polygamy without putting up a fight. Despite the rhetoric on the right, the campaign for marriage equality over religion opposition is non-violent.
No matter how one interprets your above statement, it’s wrong.
But you’re getting off topic. This isn’t about the rightness or wrongness of antitheism. This is about whether antitheist groups are hate groups. I repectfully say they are not. It seems you disagree.
“I know that the scientistic-materialistic-atheistic clique likes to think of itself as the world’s intellectual/cultural elite[...]”
There are few things more annoying than fake humility.
“This mindset was constructed in the first place as an enabling/justifying mechanism for imperialism.”
Imperialism against who? Other Christians? In the beginnings of Enlightenment atheim, the moral failings of Christianity were the main target. Even today, more ink has been spilled by antitheists (many of whom opposed the Iraq War) about Christianity than about Islam. And what kind of imperialism are you talking about? Alexander the Great’s? British? Arab? French? Russian? Ottoman? Aztec? Japanese? American? Canadian? German? If it’s German, Bismark-era or Hitler-era?
The sentence is very vauge to say the least.
But again, if an organization disagrees with your above statement, does that make it a hate group?
on March 12th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
One more time, in case you feel like actually reading the whole thing this time:
“Personally, I find it hard to believe he’s really an ex-Muslim, as his views so clearly and neatly align with those of Spencer, Pam Gellar, Franklin Graham and other Western anti-Muslim bigots.”
The part that’s personal opinion is my reluctance to believe “Ali Sina” is really an ex-Muslim. You can agree or not, and it ultimately makes little difference. The rest of the sentence, however, is a statement of easily verifiable fact. One proof of it is the FACT that “Ali Sina” is on the board of directors of the Geller/Spencer co-production, Stop the Islamization of Nations, which was featured in an entry on this blog in January.
As for the rest of your latest entry, which is a fairly journeyman example of your habit of obscuring the issue by leading the discussion ever further off-topic with more irrational and irrelevant remarks, I’ll just respond to your defense of “Ali Sina” and his eliminationist rhetoric by letting him testify for himself:
“I don’t see Muslims as innocent people. They are all guilty as sin. It is not necessary to be part of al Qaida to be guilty. If you are a Muslim you agree with Muhammad and that is enough evidence against you.”
“Muslims, under the influence of Islam lose their humanity. They become beasts. Once a person’s mind is overtaken by Islam, every trace of humanity disappears from him. Islam reduces good humans into beasts.”
“We will do everything to save you, to make you see your folly, and to make you understand that you are victims of a gigantic lie, so you leave this lie, stop hating mankind and plotting for its destruction and it [sic] domination. But if all efforts fail and if you become a threat to our lives and the lives of our children, we must amputate you. This will happen, not because I say so, but I say so because this is human response. We humans are dictated by our survival instinct. If you threaten me and my survival depends on killing you, I must kill you.”
“Muhammad was not a prophet of God. He was an instrument of Satan to divide mankind so we destroy each other. It is a demonic plot to end humanity.”
on March 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am
CM,
You changed the subject by going on a rant about antitheism, not I.
None of the quotes you listed was eliminationist. The last was wasn’t even an insult to Muslims, but it just insulted one man.
And you’ve listed nothing by me that could be called eliminationist.
on March 13th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Ian,
I’m not going to bow to your Wikipedia scholar’s definition of what eliminationist means, but it doesn’t matter anyway. You initiated this discussion by suggesting that Faith Freedom International was undeserving of being isted as a hate group. The quotes from “Ali Sina” make it clear that the listing is totally appropriate. It’s all there: collective guilt, dehumanization, demonization, even a final solution “if necessary.” Your nugatory nitpicking doesn’t change that.
on March 13th, 2012 at 10:34 am
I hereby request that all of these Islamophobes henceforth refrain from using the concept of the number zero. And in addition, would they also refrain from participating in any activity that has any relation to the number zero? After all, if they feel Islam has never contributed anything to Human history, they probably won’t miss being able to function in an environment that isn’t a damp cave.
I’m an Islamophile and proud of that fact!
on March 13th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Ruslan:
“So open borders are great for Europe and the US, but not so much for israel. And should anyone question this multi-racial utopia, well they are racists and bigots.”
The US and Europe do not have “open borders.” You’ve clearly never checked. Those who advocate lax immigration policies could care less where those immigrants come from, because this has nothing to do with race, multiculturalism, or other such nonsense……..
Of coursed we dont have “open borders”. But we still have 12 million illegal immigrants, and hispanic newborns outnumbered white newborns last year for the first time.
The point is this. Many jewish organizations vigorously support amnesty for illegals and more liberal immigration policies. Here, in the US.
And yet at home,. back in israel, their immmigration policies are focused on maintaining a jewish demographic majority. Did you even read my quote?
So they are hypocrites on 2 counts – (1) more immigration here/less in israel and (2) if we question it we are racists/yet they implement strict enforcement at home and are not racists.
As for caring less about where the immigrants come from, I suggest they do care. They care that they be from 3d world countries, thus the rabid support for La Raza at el.. The goal is to insidiously reduce the white majority to a minority, and label anyone that would; resist this as racists, bigots, rednecks etc..
I read a quote from a Harvard Professor that I cannot find. He used to have a website dedicated to the elimination of the white man as a species. Pretty radical stuff. I’ll find it for you.
on March 13th, 2012 at 10:55 am
The internet is such a useful tool:
Now comes Harvard educated Noel Ignatiev, an academic at Harvard’s W.E.B. DuBois Institute for African-American Research. Dr. Ignatiev is the founder of a journal, Race Traitor, which has as its motto, “treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.”
The journal’s purpose is “to abolish the white race.”
At the least, Dr. Ignatiev intends cultural and psychological genocide for whites. It is unclear whether physical extermination is part of the program. A statement by the editors on the web site says that the new abolitionists
“do not limit themselves to socially acceptable means of protest, but reject in advance no means of attaining their goal.”
Dr. Ignatiev does not believe his agenda is controversial. He writes:
“The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.” Thus does he put whites on notice. If they oppose their abolition, they are “white supremacists.”
According to Dr. Ignatiev,
“The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race.”
“Make no mistake about it,” he says,
“we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed–not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed
on March 13th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Bottom line, Stouch, is that all your theories and claims only work if we assume one or even a few Jews represent all Jews, and that they are in turn connected to Israel, which apparently doesn’t have any internal political dissent according to you. That’s why you can’t stop saying “they” and talking about “their goal.”
on March 13th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Lou,
Dr Ignatiev is an even bigger crackpot than you, perhaps even Kevin MacDonald. But do you know what the difference between yourself and these two ‘gentlemen?’ You’re simply a loudmouth with a keyboard and a grudge, and they are tenured professors.
I look forward to your disavowal of KevMac in an upcoming comment. Afterall, why is the eradication of ‘whites’ (whatever they are), whilst the eradication of Jews (a much easier social entity to identify) is perfectly okay?
I love conservative projection. It’s just so funny!
on March 13th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
One wonders if Herr Stouch actually reads the links he references. Ignatiev argues that race is a social construct and thus the abolition of a “race” is simply changing the construct.
Yes, the internet is a wonderful tool. Stouch, on the other hand, is simply a tool
on March 13th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
In fact, I am surprised that Stouch is not a fan of Ignatiev.
From Wikipedia (hardly authoritative, I agree):
In 2008, the American Jewish Committee objected to an encyclopedia article on Zionism that Ignatiev wrote for The Encyclopedia of Race and Racism.[7] In the article, Ignatiev described Israel as a “racial state, where rights are assigned on the basis of ascribed descent or the approval of the superior race” and likened it to Nazi Germany and the Southern United States before the civil rights movement.[8]
on March 13th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Oh shucks. The SPLC didnt see fit to print my last post in which I discussed who controls the media and finance.
I also mentioned an article by Ron Paul just today – in defense of Ruslan, believe it or not, and his comment on many wars not being approved by Congress since 1945.
But that is not surprising given Ron Pauls foreign policy stance. Please note how the media give him zero coverage – accept to allege his anti-semitism.
on March 13th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
CM,
“Eliminationist” was used by you, not me. The burden was on you to justify its use. You didn’t put forth a definition of the term, so I had to.
Neither the term “final solution” nor the term “if necessary” are found in any of Sina’s writings you quoted. Using quotation marks when you are not quoting them directly is unethical in the best circumstances and illegal in the worst.
Aron,
Zero was invented by a Hindu in India. It was not invented in the Quran or the hadith.
Religions do not make scientific discoveries. People who follow religions sometimes do. Even if a Muslim did invent the number zero, it does not mean Islam is responsible for the scientific advancement. It’s like crediting Scientology for producing the “Mission: Impossible” movies.
on March 13th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
You will hear Ignatiev references very often by White Nationalists. As usual they will mine the same quotes again and again, citing him as proof of a secret Jewish plan to destroy the white race. What they will NOT do, is actually go to the source to read what he wrote.
Actually this is quit common with White Nationalists and racists- they will obsess over some person or thing, but never bother to go to any sources of information on either; they simply wait for their favorite pundits to tell them what’s going on. That’s why you have, for example, people screaming about Obama and taxes when in fact taxes are at an unprecedented low and Obama merely proposed an increase to 50% for the top brackets.
on March 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Ian,
Once again, you’re ignoring the substance of my comment and launching a barrage of vacuous criticisms against the way I expressed them. If you still want to argue that Faith Freedom isn’t a hate group, go ahead, but carping about semantics and trivia like my use of scare quotes isn’t doing it.
on March 14th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Ian,
I’m well aware of the fact that zero was invented by a Hindu. I was referring to the fact that Muslims, through cultural exchange, gave the concept to the western world. Ian once again, you are massively over-simplifying an argument.
on March 14th, 2012 at 11:36 am
You will hear Ignatiev references very often by White Nationalists………..
Geez, I just did a Google search.
NWO conspiracy theorists, huh? The SPLC validates them.
on March 14th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Stouch, I pointed out all the things from Ignatiev that you never bothered to read. Moreover, as I stated before, regardless of what he says, your theory only works if we assume Ignatiev represents all Jews and that he is part of some kind of conspiracy.
As for media and finance, they are controlled by people called capitalists. They are generally stockholders and owners of other assets. They are overwhelmingly white, gentile in the United States.
on March 14th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“I also mentioned an article by Ron Paul just today – in defense of Ruslan, believe it or not, and his comment on many wars not being approved by Congress since 1945.”
Yes, Ron Paul isn’t against war, foreign intervention and imperialism, just that which does not get congress’ rubber stamp. I know. And actually the Iraq War was given congressional approval. How did he vote on that?
on March 14th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
CM,
So we are suppossed to feel better about Islam because the person who told somebody about a discovery by somebody else happened to be Muslim?
The tenants of Islam had nothing to do with the transfer of the concept of zero from one civilization to another. Europe had contacts with India long before Muhammad was born. If anything, Islamic imperialism got in the way. Those Muslims who did make discoveries and advances during the medieval period were not that devout and were often persecuted by more religious Muslims. Giving Islam credit for those discoveries and advances is like giving the Roman Catholic Church credit for heliocentrism.
And apparently anyone who points this out is anti-Muslim (or anti-Catholic).
on March 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Ian,
So I gather you are against religion. Bully for you. But do you also advocate the elimination of those religions’ cultures? Because I’m a Jew who really doesn’t believe in God. And if you are pushing for the elimination of my culture, you’re a bigger fool than I had initially determined.
Now please go away.
on March 14th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Ian,
“So we are suppossed to feel better about Islam because the person who told somebody about a discovery by somebody else happened to be Muslim?”
You’re responding to Aron’s comment, not mine.
on March 14th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
CM,
I wasn’t sure if I should have pointed that out or not. In the end, I preferred making Ian look silly ;)
on March 14th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Oh, and Ian, I’m not saying you should love a religion simply for the accomplishments of its adherents. I’m saying you should RESPECT it.
These are two completely different things, and judging by your earlier statements, it would appear that you are unfamiliar with the latter concept.
on March 14th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Aron,
“But do you also advocate the elimination of those religions’ cultures?”
If the culture is misogynistic, homophobic, racist, or anti-science, yes.
“Now please go away.”
Was I supposed to do that before or after I answered your question?
on March 14th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Zero has been invented by a number of cultures, including Meso-American ones, and it didn’t reach Europe through any of them. I posted a certain joke about the Romans which was taken down as too risqué; let us just say it it concerned LXIX. The truth is that if it weren’t for the Saracens, we wouldn’t have much, because our own Christhadis were going around diligently destroying every relic of pre-Christian culture that they couldn’t pretend was Christian. At a certain point, it even became unChristian to bathe more than two or three times in your life, because that’s what the Romans did. When, as a result, Christians got sick and Jews and Muslims didn’t, well, damme, those Paynims must have been poisoning God-fearing Christians! The Saracen empire, on the other hand, preserved the works of classical scholars; they also, whether you liked the subject or not, developed algebra, without which this wonderful on-line conversation would not exist. Saracen hospitals were far the superior of ours (when we had any), if only because Saracen doctors knew the importance of light, air, and hygiene. Blowing off their science and their medicine as the accomplishments of an exceptional, non-devout few works only if you admit as much about ourselves. Our devoutly literal- minded don’t just deny global warming; they deny paleontology and evolution as well, and if they had their way, we’d be using outhouses and burning witches for fun.
on March 15th, 2012 at 8:44 am
“If the culture is misogynistic, homophobic, racist, or anti-science, yes.”
So which culture do you like then?
on March 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Aron,
“I’m not saying you should love a religion simply for the accomplishments of its adherents. I’m saying you should RESPECT it.”
If someone adhering to Christian Identity created an HIV vaccine, would you respect Christian Identity?
Reynardine,
“Blowing off their science and their medicine as the accomplishments of an exceptional, non-devout few works only if you admit as much about ourselves.”
I do not blow off “their science and their medicine”. However, Islam had nothing to do with these discoveries.
And yes, I also “admit” (strange choice of words) that Christianity does not deserve any credit for the scientific advances of Christians either. I made this opinion plain as day when I stated, “Giving Islam credit for those discoveries and advances is like giving the Roman Catholic Church credit for heliocentrism.” Giving Christianity credit for the theory of gravity makes as much sense as giving Islam credit for algebra; namely, none.
Also, algebra was invented before Muhammad was born. The name given to it happens to be Arabic. Again, Islam had nothing to do with it.
Ruslan,
Northern Europe ain’t perfect, but it seems the best we have so far. Canada is pretty cool.
on March 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
“Ruslan,
Northern Europe ain’t perfect, but it seems the best we have so far. Canada is pretty cool.”
Ok, Herr Riechfuhrer, but both these places you mention are terribly misogynistic and there is quite a lot of racism and nationalism depending on which specific country you are talking about.
on March 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Ian, no one professing Christian identity is going to create such a vaccine exactly because Christian Identity postulates that all sufferers of this disease deserve to die.
Did any religion, per se, come up with scientific or mathematical theories? No, but some fostered an environment that promoted them, and others punished them with an ugly death. In medieval Europe and the Mediterranean, it’s quite clear which did which. Meanwhile, I suggest you’d have found Northern Europe and Canada still cooler at the time of the Fennoscandian and Laurentide Ice Sheets.
on March 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
By the way, Ian, which part of “developed” don’t you understand?
on March 15th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Ruslan,
“Ok, Herr Riechfuhrer[...]”
Classy.
“[Canada and Northern Eurpe] are terribly misogynistic and there is quite a lot of racism and nationalism depending on which specific country you are talking about.”
I’ve made my share of Canadian jokes, but “terribly misogynistic”? How? Who are you comparing Northern Europe and Canada to?
I said no culture is perfect and obviously sexism and racism exist everywhere. That said, yes, those cultures are superior to many other cultures (including the United States, in many aspects). Violence is less socially acceptable, poverty rates are lower, health care is considered a human right, gay people can marry in most places, freedom of speech is protected (relatively speaking), the rule of law is firmly in place, etc. That’s why people move there.
Reynardine,
“[N]o one professing Christian identity is going to create such a vaccine[...]”
Granted. Substitute “HIV vaccine” for “cure for all cancers” or “teleportation”. Same question applies.
“Did any religion, per se, come up with scientific or mathematical theories? No, but some fostered an environment that promoted them[...]”
How, specifically, did Islam foster such an environment? Please cite chapter and verse of the Quran or the hadiths.
“By the way, Ian, which part of ‘developed’ don’t you understand?”
Begging the question, aren’t we?
on March 15th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Ian,
Since you are now playing semantics, it is quite obvious that Reynardine was referring to the Islamic ENVIRONMENT. NOT the religion itself. You don’t have to ask like such a ponce…
on March 15th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Actually, no, I’m not. You’re evading it, Ian.
I was hoping to inform you you were post # LXIX, but you are only Post # LXVIII. You are welcome to LXXXVI yourself any time, though.
P. S. What is the square root of XXXVI?
on March 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
And what percentage of the square root of CXLIV is the square root of XXXVI? Use only Roman numerals in calculating.
on March 15th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Aron,
And what, exactly, is the difference between Islam and an Islamic environment? What made the environment Islamic? Was geocentrism rediscovered in a Catholic environment? Should we credit the Roman Catholic church with that advance in astronomy?
If one can credit a religion with the discoveries made by it’s adherents (or because of the religion’s “environment”), can one also discredit it with its adherents numerous atrocities? If not, why not?
Is a religion or culture that says gay people should be executed the equal of a culture in which gay people can marry?
on March 15th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Ian, American society, as well as Canadian and Northern European society is extremely misogynistic. In Europe, buying women for sex is even more socially acceptable than in the US. Racism and nationalism are also common, but you’re white so I’m sure you’ll be just fine with that. As long as you can get married, to hell with everyone else’s rights.
on March 16th, 2012 at 7:45 am
If Ian thinks geocentrism was an advance in astronomy, I congratulate him on his counterperspecuity, and invite him to exsartaginate on his hypothesis, so we can all be suitably impressed with his subacuity.
on March 16th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Ruslan,
Norway, Iceland, and Sweden actually have a very progressive laws about prostitution. The prosecute pimps and clients, but not the women. The policy has been praised by anti-trafficking activists and the vast majority of women in these countries.
You’re missing the big picture. Even if you disagree with said policy, to compare it to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or other nations where violence and discrimination against women (including trafficking) is a much, much bigger issue is just inane. Swedish culture is not equal to Saudi Arabian culture or Somali culture.
Non-whites in Northern Europe and Canada have it much better than minority groups in the Arab world and much of the greater Islamic world. Again, this is not about perfection. It’s about which culture has a greater respect for progress. The fact that some people who happened to be Muslim passed on some good ideas hundreds of years ago does not change this.
on March 16th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Sweden has a great law on women trafficking but this doesn’t stop Swedish sex tourism or the publication of popular rape-porn such as The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Hence, we can say it is a misogynistic society.
What they do in Saudi Arabia or Muslim countries is their business. Their society is heavily influenced by feudal and tribal relations. You also cannot ignore the role of Western imperialism in creating those states.
on March 16th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Ruslan, I read “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo”, and although it did describe reekingly violent acts against women, it did not do so with approval. Indeed, one of the perpetrators turned up branded.
Whoever writes- and I do- is faced with a dilemma when writing of extreme cruelty and injustice, especially when it involves sexual violence: does its value in arousing decent people against it outweigh the risk of arousing the not-decent to emulate it? I wrote a scene that might see print; I’d never want it on screen. And I’d point out I have never seen any film version of “Dragon Tattoo”, but scenes that had redeeming social value in print might indeed translate into rape porn if not handled very carefully.
The initial version of “The Goat’s Horn” (I have not seen the remake) had a graphic rape scene that resulted in the death of the victim. No reasonable person could have found it arousing. It made a very powerful statement about what happens during the military occupation of an unwilling people and the way the occupier and the occupied alike are poisoned by hatred. Rape is a crime of mastery, not sex, and that was utterly clear. Similarly, I thought “Dragon Tattoo” made it clear that this was a crime about abuse of power, and an almost inevitable outcome when power is too assymetrical. It’s unpleasant; it can “turn on” the wrong people, if badly handled; but it needs to be said.
As for Scandinavia generally, it seems to present a picture of family dysfunction, seasonal affective disorder, and endless bad coffee, but maybe we shouldn’t judge them by their whodunnits.
on March 17th, 2012 at 2:31 am
Reading through the comments makes me wonder if the SPLC should be listed as one of the hate groups. How can you complain about others hatred with these comments spewing from your mouths (or keyboards), this is pure hypocrisy.
on March 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Nunya,
Boo hoo hoo. Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism. Please point out to me the hateful comments on the post.
on March 18th, 2012 at 12:30 am
The SPLC should look at publisher of the book Adolf Hitler Founder of Israel by Hennecke Karde where in hatred is rampant.
on June 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mark Potok, I defy you to establish any scientific criteria that Barack Obama is Black. His mother was white and provided 50% of his DNA. So how does that make Obama Black? Unless—— You are using racist descriptions such as the leftist and racist KKK use or the leftist, and of course they are leftist, the American Nazi Party when they say that a drop of Black blood makes a person Black. They use other terms but I don’t.
C’mon hotshot. Show me how brilliant you are and prove that Barack Obama is anything other than a Biracial, mixed race or Mulatto.
on July 17th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Wow, you people are paranoid. The “extreme right” exists only in your imagination. We don’t hate Obama because he’s black. We hate him because he is a Marxist with a radical left-wing agenda. Get a clue.
on July 18th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
As evidenced by your own categorization of Obama, the Extreme Right only exists because they themselves are paranoid, John Birchers who believe the government is coming for their guns and that science tantamount to religious nonsense.
The Klan, the Robert Stacy McCain’s and David Koresch’s, the crazy neo-Nazi wackos that use gunsights as art are what’s wrong with your party, dude. If they are not the extreme right, then that can only mean that they are just ‘the right’ and that is scary.
on August 9th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
I’ve read a lot of good responses here tonight. And yes I do agree that men are treated very badly in our court system in regard to divorce. It appears that in trying to balance the scales for some particular right we tend to go to far at the expense of others. Women have gotten rights in divorce courts but at a very expensive blow to many men in this country.
Also there are comments about the extreme right, hate and divide in America. Given the most recent violent attacks across our nation I don’t believe that is a topic for contemplating whether or not it exists. We know it exist, much to the detriment of our countrymen and women.
on August 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
The current use (and overuse) of the term “hate group” is, at it’s heart, nothing more tham a form of totalitarianism from the left. “Disagree with me and I won’t respond to you-I’ll just label you a hate group, tell everyone not to let you have your say or present your argument and move on”. The ONLY intent behind it is to silence ALL opposition to whatever viewpoint others may have. It’s simply a vicious ad hominem attack that is logically flawed and without merit.
on August 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Every single victim of every single incidence of gang violence of above-average crime from minority immigration is blood on YOUR hands. SPLC. The tally is being taken. You are 110% accountable.
Everywhere a Somali gang or Somali sells a child for sex or rapes someone, you are accountable. Everywhere that a Latino gang murders someone, you are accountable.
The world knows that the blood is on your hands.
on September 14th, 2012 at 7:53 am
The United Nation’s Agenda 21 accord is a voluntary global sustainability initiative.
Voluntary? VOLUNTARY? Harry Reid said our tax system was voluntary too, just try not complying and see what happens when you resist Big Brother!
on September 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Children-Children- A great Grandmother says would you rather fight than switch??
We all know what “opinions are like”-A—^^s.
Truth is Facts.This is the land of the Great spirit of truth who calls himself–”THE WORD” take it from there! Every known idea-war-hate-love-marriage- gay- theos-anti-argument etc etc. BEGINS WITH ONE WORD.The Words we use must be respected, as the people we are giving them to. Most of us are a mix of many racial factors- we’re called “the melting pot!”
My Huguenot- Am. “Indian”-Ukranian-Danish-Mulungeon-adopted by English man- DNA is now mixed w/ Okinawa-Irish-Hungarian-German and more- probably to come w/fifth generations.Mulungeons- (little-known) were Tri-Racial-The Census had no “slot” for them so they became “The old man of the mountains”- Possibly Abe was one.I had a mix of “Foster Kids” years ago. To eliminate this anti-human name-calling predjudices- I had them sit down-face to face and DO IT-SAY IT! They all started to laugh after venting their “ignorance”- became family -finally! WE ARE ALL the HUMAN FAMILY-what happens to one happens to us all. There is no room for Hate here! Everyone is a mirror to us-we can only see ourselves in “them”.Debate is good but must be based on facts not insecurity. The first amendment is “The right to critisize the government”-Kings had critics killed/imprisoned for what we have! RESPECT these rights.-
FREEDOM IS RESPECT-(good luck with your mouth!) a grey eagle
on September 30th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Does this mean the Republican party is a “Hate Group”?
on November 8th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
I believe that is what is going on here in Wisconsin. We have a bunch of bigots working “junk science” on mixed race couples and no doubt they do it to others as well.
Where do people get this ignorance from? And why do so many village idiots follow them?
on November 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
The word HATE is being used to convey many emotions and actions. Can someone define HATE. Is it emotional. Physical. Mental. Bias. An outward appearance of internal feelings. Tattoos. Thoughts. Associations.
Or does it just fall to what offends one and equated to hate.
on November 20th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I have never hated anyone so I can’t really understand what hate is. I didn’t vote for Obama, but its not because he is black. I didn’t vote for Obama because I believe he is a Marxist and possibly a Muslim. I don’t hate Marxists or Muslims. Their views don’t coincide with mine. Marxism has never worked anywhere its been tried. Islam does not tolerate any other religion or non religion. Since the Muslims believe they should kill all non Muslims; I believe I may have to kill Muslims should the need arise. Nothing personal and no hatred. Just business.
on February 24th, 2013 at 6:03 am
I resent you defining Patriot groups as hate groups. Just because we support traditional marriage, are pro-life and believe the constitution should be the law of the land you paint us as a hate group. I have never seen such irresponsible propaganda in my life. I didn’t vote for Barak Obama but, it wasn’t because he is black. I would vote for Allen West of Ben Carson. They are both black. It grieves me that more black Americans don’t stant up for liberty and freedom.
on March 5th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Well, Mr. Jaffe! You don’t hate anyone, but you believe all Muslims are evil and for you, killing them is just business! Aren’t you precious! Kitchy kitchy coo!
on March 13th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Are you people blind and def? Everyday your goverment take away your rights. Tell you what to eat and drink, what shots your kids have to take. They are not your friends because they give you money. Its the goverments falt our unemployment is so high. There the ones printing money, putting your kids into debt. The so called patrot groups you all seem to hate or fear are standing for what makes this country great freedom. Just maybe you should all wake up and, start standing up for your freedom and quit hidding. The goverment is not supposed to take care of you like you the child. Get a job and take care of your self.
on March 17th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
There is much that Matthew has stated here that I find humorous. You see we have racists in our small town that believe they should be given rights to any income that is provided by someone white, it’s really quite amazing and the most stupid thing I’ve ever come across in my life. I guess that is their way of avoiding government support. They just figure they will run around telling interracial couples that they are given some sort of God given privilege to incomes provided by white men and women who are married to minority spouses. Yes we have people that stupid in America. It is very disappointing and both an embarrassment and an enigma to intelligent minds.
Now given the increasing level of stupidity I have been privy too; when Matthew states that the government should not be telling us what to eat and drink I can understand the argument for freedom of choice, and yet I am reminded of the people I have seen here with small children purchasing what would be family meals with nothing more than sugary treats, processed foods, sodas and not one thing that remotely resembled a fresh vegetable.
So if the government doesn’t tell the clodpolls who call themselves parents and adult figures how to eat and feed children who will?
Currently we are living in a generation where more parents will outlive their children due to serious health complications. Pick up a good college health textbook and read the numbers and statistics. It’s very alarming.
on March 17th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
@political synic: You stated:
Political Cynic said,
on August 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
The current use (and overuse) of the term “hate group” is, at it’s heart, nothing more tham a form of totalitarianism from the left. “Disagree with me and I won’t respond to you-I’ll just label you a hate group, tell everyone not to let you have your say or present your argument and move on”. The ONLY intent behind it is to silence ALL opposition to whatever viewpoint others may have. It’s simply a vicious ad hominem attack that is logically flawed and without merit.
My response:
I hope you realize this makes absolutely no sense.
on March 20th, 2013 at 11:16 am
I’d like to make clear that not everyone who calls themselves a ‘patriot’, or the like, believes that violence is the way to achieve political or social change. Members of the Libertarian Party for example must declare that they oppose the initiation of force to bring about political or social change.
While the initiation of Force is not an option for us, we do strongly agree with Petitioning for a Redress of Grievances under the 1st Amendment.
The Federal Gov’t has abridged or infringed upon almost every Right stated within the Bill of Rights for various reasons. We all share the same Rights so when they abridge a ‘patriot’s’ rights, they abridge the Rights of ALL Americans.
I live in the Altanta area and would be willing to speak with the SPLC about Libertarians and the Rights that many Patriots are upset about being infringed upon.
on March 20th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Be careful when speaking with members of the Patriot Movement. Any conversation that you have with someone whose views are seen as extreme can also be dangerous. If you try to have a simple debate with someone who has extreme views, there is a big chance that the conversation can turn into a violent physical altercation. Also, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the fact that Obama is black is one of the main reason the Patriot Movement has expanded a great deal. I see that as wrong on all levels, a person’s skin color does not define their leadership skills. The Patriot Movement merely wants to keep the status quo of a “white man” in office. When Obama was first elected in 2008, many whites, not all, suddenly believed that in the blink of an eye that they were now the minority. It’s a very misguided view, unfortunately there’s nothing we can do about it because they have a right to feel that way. All I ask is that they keep their thoughts and feelings to themselves instead of preaching hatred and committing acts of violence that’s supposed to viewed as Patriotism. If you don’t like what I’ve written that’s perfectly ok, I can’t please everyone. I just wanted to add in my two cents.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Robert, if one is discouraged from speaking, due to the possibility of violence, this nation is doomed to be ruled by thugs and we can consider the first amendment dead.
If some far right maniac then decided to freely express himself with violence, he’d then learn the hard way that I’m extremely proficient at hand to hand combat, courtesy of his tax dollars.
I’ve had discussions online about firearms with some far right hardliners, you know the type, they’ll denounce you as “liberal, communist, socialist” or some other thing that they actually are unable to define, then make a veiled threat about the use of firearms.
The shut up when I gave a list of firearms I own, as I fire in competitions, hunt and am retired military. The difference is, the primary use for my firearms is for hunting or precision shooting in competition, their secondary use is to accumulate dust.
I do consider myself a patriot. One that stands fully behind our constitution, what it was intended in each and every amendment and in the full equality of every US citizen and resident of this nation, its territories and possessions.
However, some of those far right folks need to be reminded, every enumerated and unenumerated right have limitations. As an example, one cannot conduct a human sacrifice, one cannot stone another person for a religious transgression, one cannot commit sedition or speak words that would cause imminent lawless action, such as a riot. All limitations on the very first amendment.
One cannot possess a machinegun, short barreled rifle or shotgun, silencer, disguised weapon or destructive weapon without an invasive background check and purchasing a tax stamp for said weapon. A limit upon the second amendment.
The list can go on and on, right by right, where rights are limited in order to protect our society and nation.
Some years ago, I had service members coming to me before they departed on patrol. They were worried over words spoken by a politician at home, words to the effect that if the election then didn’t go their party’s way, if they did not get their way in Congress, they would exercise “second amendment remedies”.
Those men literally were in fear that their homes and homeland that they were defending would be in flames before they could redeploy home.
For that, I can never forgive that party.
Regarding a post, early in the comments about a Marine NCO.
If he’s stated or actually refused an order of his Commander in Chief, he’s violated his oath of enlistment. Hence, he can and should be dishonorably discharged. If he solicits others to do the same, he is guilty of mutiny, a capital offense. If he makes plans with others to act in a violent manner against his nation and government, he is guilty of sedition, a capital offense. If he takes up arms against his nation and government, he is guilty of mutiny, treason, insurrection and sedition, all capital offenses.
Civilian penalties are lesser than for the military, as the military is placed in a position of public trust and their environment of their duties is harsh, so discipline is also strict.
The oath of enlistment is set by 10 U.S.C. § 502.
“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
Note the “obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of officers appointed over me”. There is no negotiation, there is no evaluation of worthiness or evaluation of the orders of any echelon of authority over the service member. The only evaluation permitted is that of a lawful order, such as an order that suggests summary execution of prisoners, which is unlawful.
Indeed, every service member is trained on what a lawful and unlawful order is and every NCO is more heavily trained in such.
As such, his actions and activities are not protected at all, an investigation should be initiated on him and his activities and if what was said is true, he should be at a minimum dishonorably discharged, at a maximum from what was said, he should be in prison.
For, if any of my subordinate NCO’s had tried that nonsense, that is precisely where they’d be.