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Trayvon Martin Case Evokes Reaction from Extremists, White and Black
The killing of Trayvon Martin has aroused the passions of extremists on both sides of the racial divide, with some blaming civil rights leaders and the media for the controversy – and black separatist leaders suggesting vigilante justice for the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old in Florida.
Joseph Farah at WorldNet Daily, the archconservative website that has tirelessly attacked President Obama’s citizenship, dismissed the activism surrounding the African-American teen’s killing as bald opportunism. “[W]hen the race hustlers like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and race hustler-in-chief Barack Obama started exploiting, I began to think we were being conned once again, by (the) vicious, biased, America-hating, leftist-controlled press,” Farah wrote on Sunday.
Farah went on to cite the case of a white teen set on fire by two black teens last month in Kansas City. “This is a real hate crime,” Farah said, “the kind you won’t likely see reported on the national media and the kind you won’t likely hear race hustling politicians like Sharpton, Jackson and Obama talking about.”
White nationalist Kyle Rogers, a board member of the white nationalist Council of Conservative Citizens, also attacked the media. “Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon contains [sic] a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of some of the most relevant details,” Rogers wrote on Saturday. “Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda?”
Civil rights leaders also were criticized by Jesse Lee Peterson, a black, anti-gay preacher who once thanked God for slavery. He said their actions are not about justice. “It’s about getting even with whites and gaining political power,” he wrote in a March 22 news release. “This is black hatred of white people and a result of more than fifty years of brainwashing by racist civil-rights leaders.”
Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam, said in a message to his followers on Twitter, “Where there is no justice, there will be no peace. Soon the law of retaliation may very well be applied.”
Even more bluntly, New Black Panther Party leader Mikhail Muhammad announced over the weekend he was starting a “Wanted: Dead or Alive” campaign to bring justice for Trayvon. He offered a $10,000 bounty for the capture of George Zimmerman, the Hispanic man who shot Martin, according to the Orlando Sentinel.
When asked whether he was inciting violence,” Muhammad replied, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”
The shooting in Sanford, Fla., occurred on Feb. 26 after Zimmerman spotted Martin wearing a hooded sweatshirt returning from a store to buy Skittles and iced tea. The Orlando Sentinel reported today that authorities say witnesses have corroborated “much of” Zimmerman’s claim that he was left bloody and battered after Martin punched him and slammed his head into the sidewalk.
on March 26th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
I predict nothing will happen to George Zimmerman. He won’t get arrested, let alone charged with anything. I also predict the Stand Your Ground law will continue on with no modifications. That’s how it is in cases like this. I seriously hope nobody does anything stupid or harmful, whether they’re liberal, conservative, black, white, etc. All of the people that was mentioned in the article are troublemakers and rabble-rousers. The white extremists and the black extremists and the supporters of both are making this situation much worse. Let us all hope nothing bad will happen.
on March 26th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Considering the hatred I’m hearing on YouTube, this report is completely true.
on March 26th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
The Feds had better take this over, PDQ, before the hotheads do.
on March 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
And it is still barely reported. This Zimmerman is not White. But that was the original shock topic/article to get every minority engraged. But when the truth comes out that he is NOT White no one stresses that fact to avoid the riot that seems to be brewing. Be honest and report truthful. Stop fanning the flames. He doesnt even look White. Cut it out with the lies
on March 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Farah cites the case of a white teen set on fire by 2 black teens: “This is a real hate crime, the kind you won’t likely see reported by the national media and the kind you won’t likely hear race hustling politicians like Sharpton, Jackson, and Obama talking about.”
Fair enough. How is this case any different from many other “real hate crimes” initiated by the ghastly WNs? In case point, here’s just one good example among the numerous:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....34482.html
When a developing disabled Navajo man was branded, vehemently, yet violently tortured by not 2 but 3 rabidly racist neo-Nazis. And there are probably a whole of incidents like this.
Did the “race hustling politicians” spoke out on this victim’s behalf? No, they did not.
So I failed to see how Farah’s emphasis makes any difference, with hate crimes cases such as this one. Instead, he tries to play the trite “race card” trick on the bitter white masses within his fringed element. It’s nothing new.
As for Trayvon Martin, I am glad to be among the millions to have signed onto his online petition on Change.org, calling for his Justice. Whatever the outcome of the investigation is. The issues needed to be addressed.
on March 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Here is a picture of Queen Isabella of Spain. She was a true “White Hispanic”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_I_of_Castile
Now compare with the photo of George Zimmerman: http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1051015
I would call Zimmerman a “Mestizo”, not a “White Hispanic”. This is a mis-classification.
on March 26th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Reynardine, Am I correct in assuming you mean temporary martial law?
on March 26th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Rey,
Sadly, I don’t think the Feds have jurisdiction here, as this never crossed state lines. Though in this case I sure hope my understanding of jurisdiction is incorrect…
on March 27th, 2012 at 12:06 am
I have a rather basic view of this matter. It APPEARS that laws have been broken as Zimmerman pursued the youth. He had no authority to do so. He caused the youth to fear for his life as Zimmerman could not have legally identified himself as a law enforcement official. Because Zimmerman went into pursuit, his lost his stand your ground right, as defined in Florida law. The young man had the right to defend himself against an unknown attacker, so even IF he caused some physical harm to Zimmerman, he had the right to do so. As far as to guilt and other factors, that is what a court of law has to decide. Extremists on either side do not help the process t all, Calmer heads must do so. I hope it it not too late for that to ahppen.
on March 27th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Aron, YouTube has slowly become a haven of hate over the years. That’s why I stay away from those kinds of videos posted by idiots that have too much time on their hands. It’s a shame Google can’t do anything about it.
on March 27th, 2012 at 8:47 am
It doesn’t matter that Zimmerman wasn’t “white”. Racism isn’t about the racist’s self-identity doesn’t matter.
on March 27th, 2012 at 9:27 am
The same people who drafted the “stand your ground” law confirmed that Zimmerman was not justified under that law, and said that he should be prosecuted. Here’s one story on that: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/l.....84626.html
Trayvon was the one who retreated, told somebody, and then called 9-11. He was then tackled and assaulted by Zimmerman. If someone did this to you, and you noticed your assailant had a gun, you would be justified in “going for” it, as Zimmerman later claimed.
What I find idiotic about the comments of the racists on this issue is that first these people complain and say, “OH WHY IS IT ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST?”(Something nobody says) Then you have a case like this and they say, “BUT ZIMMERMAN WASN’T WHITE! IT CAN’T BE RACISM!”
Conclusion: White nationalists are morons.
on March 27th, 2012 at 9:52 am
ADM,
I’m only referring to a single video posted by Talking Points Memo. The amount of racist vitriol being spouted by idiot commenters is simply breathtaking. I guess Stormfromt just isn’t good enough anymore.
on March 27th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Zimmerman’s ethnicity is irrelevant. Latinos can be just as anti-black as whites or Asians.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-i.....a-blackout
I feel uncomfortable whenever any possible crime is speculated upon by anyone before all the facts are clear. Our news cycle is far too impatient and civilians are way too quick to assume they know more about the incident than the actual police officers and district attorneys involved. This isn’t to suggest for a moment that police brutality, corruption, bigotry, or plain ole incompetence don’t happen, but those things time to get expossed.
And I’d like to express an opinion on Geraldo Rivera’s comments regarding hoddies, but I don’t think the kind of language I want to use to talk about Mr. Rivera would be allowed on this site.
on March 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
We all have our opinions in this case, but prudence dioctates waiting for the resulrs of the legal processes that will flow herefrom, to decide whether our respective opinions fit the facts of the case.
on March 27th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Zimmerman’s race isn’t particularly relevant, but the fact that an overwhelmingly white police department performed a perfunctory and incompetent investigation into Zimmerman’s crime is relevant. That a young black man was executed for being in possession of an Arizona ice tea and some skittles may have started the fire, but the flames were fanned by the indifference of the Sanford police department.
on March 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am
To answer several people’s questions: I am, in fact, alluding to the same thing Gregory was alluding to, and as someone who lives a stone’s throw across the river from Sanford, I don’t mean martial law. I am referring to criminal prosecution of authorities under 18§241 et seq. and elsewhere, as well as civil prosecution under 42 USC 1983 et seq., both of which deal with the mis-, mal-, and nonfeasance of local and state authorities to extend equal protection on prohibited grounds. The feds certainly have the power to investigate that, and from what I have heard about Seminole County law enforcement, the investigation would come not a minute to soon.
One of my Zimmerman relatives (my great-uncle) was a vicious fruitcake, and promiscuous with it, and I can’t rule out this Zimmerman as one of our own bad seeds. Other than that, it doesn’t matter what “race” he is. Minorities, too, can discriminate against other minorities, factually and as a matter of law, and anyone who has studied how the despised immigrants of one generation can give rise to the bigoted “know-nothings” of the next, knows it is all too true.
on March 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Ruslan,
That’s a good point. They added more fuel to this fire, by making this a “race” issue, when GOP candidates Gingrich and Santorum jumped into the foray, after Obama’s speech last Friday about Trayvon Martin.
It was “reprehensible”.
on March 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
For those who want to argue about race (as in “Zimmerman isn’t WHITE so stop calling him WHITE!”) you can refer to the U.S. Census bureau’s race categories:
The U.S. Census Bureau must adhere to the 1997 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) standards on race and ethnicity which guide the Census Bureau in classifying written responses to the race question:
“White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
Black or African American – A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.
American Indian or Alaska Native – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.
Asian – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.
The 1997 OMB standards permit the reporting of more than one race.”
http://www.census.gov/population/race/about/
So, you can see, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau, there is no HISPANIC race. Although in truth, all race is socially constructed anyway. This isn’t about race, this is about a man who decided to be judge, jury, and executioner of his own free will and a police department that should accept culpability in that.
on March 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
George Zimmerman’s voter application form has been released. He self-identified as ‘Hispanic’ on the form. See the link here: http://freebeacon.com/register.....d-trayvon/ Look closely at the scanned copy of the form under the ‘race’ entry. He also is a registered democrat. Zimmerman’s ethnicity is important. It’s the most important component of this story. Because the left WANTED him to be white to fit with their narrative of evil whites persecuting innocent blacks.
on March 27th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Jason, you would benefit infinitely if you learned how to shut your mouth and open your ears. Aside from whether “Hispanic” is even a “race”, Zimmerman’s guilt is not contingent on his race. The question is whether he targeted the Martin boy on account of his.
on March 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Actually, the even larger issue is whether the authorities in Sanford, in Seminole County, and in the judicial circuit having jurisdiction are refusing to investigate properly because of the victim’s race.
on March 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Jason, who on the left was saying Zimmerman was white? Certainly the cops who failed to arrest him were white. You believe that only white people can be racist against blacks? Interesting.
on March 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
http://articles.orlandosentine.....um-parents
Orlando Sentinel says that Trayvon’s parents and their attorney, Benjamin Crump will be attending a 3:00 p.m. House Judiciary Meeting on Capitol Hill today at the Rayburn House Office Building. Says that House Rep Corinne Brown (D) Jacksonville scheduled this.
The paper says this is a hearing about racial profiling and hate crimes stemming from Trayvon’s case. The paper says that a spokesman named David Simon says this forum will focus on how the federal government should respond to cases of hate crimes and racial profiling.
What I’m wondering is if Someone should tap Attorney Benjamin Crump right now – before 3:00 to find out if he is pursuing “criminal prosecution of authorities under 18§241 et seq. and elsewhere, as well as civil prosecution under 42 USC 1983 et seq., both of which deal with the mis-, mal-, and nonfeasance of local and state authorities to extend equal protection on prohibited grounds. “
on March 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Jane, private attorneys do not bring criminal prosecutions. Only prosecutors can do that. He would, at most, be able to bring a civil suit under the second set of federal statutes cited, as well as any tracking state provisions, and he would likely have a choice of fora in which to do it. Both the United States government and the State of Florida can be civil plaintiffs, as well. Currently, however, Mr. Crump is assisting his clients in giving evidence to a Congressional committee investigating this and like cases with a view to shaping legislation, as, outside of federal impeachment cases, Congress does not conduct trials.
on March 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Thank you, Reynardine.
on March 27th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
My questions are: Who was standing their ground? Who was defending themself? Who chased whom? What would you do if someone chased you in an SUV with a gun? What would you tell your child to do?
Cautionary Tale:
I am a minority and I live in a white racist community. My bad, and yes, we’re trying to get out, we’re a mixed couple. This community formed a Neighborhood Watch approximatetly two years ago. We refused to join, as they announced their formation with this in print: “Rednecks with Guns”.
This lefalet was taken to the local PD, whose POP officer responded to the complaint beingmade, Other than supressed admiration for the art work of this disgraceful NW announcement, nothing. No one was taken to task for that. We said that it was a shame the PD would do nothing until there was blood on the ground.
As a DIRECT result, some residents – people of color – strolling at night, nary a hoody on, hardly teenagers, were constantly challenged, and were the only ones asked in a very pointed way “what they want here”, presence mocked with “are you lost”. Even by people who knew the stollers were neighbors.
The PD was told that if these rednecks with guns ever used their NW status to use violent ploys to get residents of color to move by harassing them, this city would have a major race incident on its hands.
Fast forward to March 2012:
Two weeks AFTER the Feb 26th Trayvon Martin killing, a NW redneck with a gun chased two kids on bikes to the next town. So the same POP officer was called. Oh boy was he ever Mr. Johnny Cop on the Spot and Now I Know What My Job Is and Now We Must Send Emails and Warn NWatchmen Not To Do That.
It took blood on the ground, which was what the POP officer was told 2 years ago. If this State was a Stand Your Ground State, I guarantee you the Trayvon icnident woul have happened here two years ago.
It took more than blood on the ground: it took a media to rip the coverup off a very badly worded law that is giving extremists of all stripes cate blanche to wreak chaos and havoc.
on March 27th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
PS In any case when the cops resentfully responded to hate acts directed at us, and who refused to do anything, we ended up presenting them with articles from the Southern Poverty Law Center and suggested he get their training videos – specifically how to recognize hate crimes – since the cops are all, “it’s not a hate crime if you say that we’ll arrest YOU”.
I could write a book on white racist cops in Skinhead Land, Northern Sacramento, CA. Birthplace of Hate Radio.
on March 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I feel there are 3 significant aspects to this murder. I believe they are all significant and I can’t triage them. I can only number them.
(1) the New Black Panther Party by announcing the establishment of a bounty (whether or not it’s true) added another dimension to their status as a Black Separatist hate group – they appear now to have appointed themselves as a militia. I wonder if any Floridian state or local laws exist that require registration of any form of militia? I know for instance that Arizona requires registration of militia groups with state authorities.
(2) I think that neighborhood watch groups have to be very carefully supervised by local city police departments. As to individual members’ roles, I think that residents who wish to be the official contacts between the neighborhood and police should be subject to background checks. I would also like to know what kind of training if any neighborhood leaders and participants are given.
(3) And now – here comes a big one. I don’t expect anyone who disapproves of Section 8 Housing and no gun control measures to give me the time of day. I get worn down listening to accusations made by mainstream press about the character flaws of Section 8 tenants. Why do I bring it up here? Because this murder happened in a WEALTHY GATED COMMUNITY. In other words, attacking the poor is a favorite political hobby. Being poor is caused by many different factors. I’m tired of character attacks on the poor about run – down properties and violence in SECTION 8 HOUSING. Here’s a well written article that pretty much shows what Steve Chabot, (R) Ohio House Rep. is like when it comes to Section 8 topics:
http://news.cincinnati.com/art.....038;Ref=AR
on March 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
There are several points I find interesting throughout these posts. First people call into question Zimmerman’s race. While it is obvious Hispanic, he was in fact portrayed by initial media accounts as being ‘white’ despite his father’s numerous attempts to correct. Why was this fact ignored unless the media found a purpose in doing so? Second, Zimmerman’s following of Martin. There is no statute or law being violated by his having committed such an act. Even if 911 commented they did not need him to do so, they are no more than specially trained civilians and hold no position of authority over any other civie. As for the stand your ground law. Yes, of course this would apply to both persons. So, if in fact Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman’s following, he has every right to confront andvwuestion him. Just as Zimmerman has a right to defend himself when he found himself on the ground being eaten and having his head pounded into the sidewalk. (Which has in fact been corroborated by more than one witness) just happens that he had a gun to defend himself with. The comment of Zimmerman following Martin because of his race is incorrect, as can be proven by listening to full 911 call. As he initially reports that he thinks Martin to be a black teen. And for the proper investigating into the crime, Zimmerman was taken into police headquarters on the night in question, despite his pleas to first receive medical attention, and questioned. As he has been on two separate occasions as well. Don’t know how that constitutes a lack of investigating. Several separate, non bias witnesses have been questioned as well and all substantiate his story. Finally, the story related by Farah is very important in expressing the biased reporting by media on cases of race related hate crimes. Stories on Tray on open with reporters describing white on black killing and strongly lean on that as reason for killing. While, if you read any reporting on the 13 yrbold Kansas teen (if you can find one) you have to read through several paragraphs to get to one sentence which states simply, he was white, the two other teens black. In fact initial reporting omitted that fact all together. Even though it was easily assumed as when they lit the kid on fire, they screamed at him ‘that’s what you get white boy’ and the other ‘that’s what you get for being white’ although when being reported now, they simply say the kids said ‘ that’s what you get. Why the variance in reportingbtactics? Unless there is in fact some type of media bias towards white on black vs black on white crimes being perpetrated. I think any crime due to race/religion/ethnicity/sexual orientation/disability is completely heinous and should be treated and reported as such.
on March 27th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Why is this story national news? There are countless cases of whites being attacked by blacks everyday in this country. These stories never get reported nationally. They are reported locally for just one day, usually on the back page. If a black is attacked on the other hand it becomes a national story.
on March 27th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Ryan Lenz,
I heard about that $10,000 bounty offered by the New Black panther party. Racists aren’t the most logical people, now if anyone murders George Zimmerman, most likely they will be suspects.
on March 28th, 2012 at 7:45 am
The individuals that have the most obvious evidence currently stacked against them (of an actual crime) are the black panther leaders. I thought we lived in a country where it is illegal to put a bounty on someone’s head. Who should be arrested first? Black racists calling for a Latino to be murdered…come on!! The investigation is now correctly moving ahead concerning Zimmerman. If it is “proved” Zimmerman was acting in self defense, and Obama doesn’t speak in favor….he will enrage his Latino base.
on March 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Rose, aside from the fact that I think you’re sick, following someone with hostile intent is called stalking, and it’s against the law. When the police dispatcher ordered Zimmerman to desist, he was no longer acting under legitimate authority. “Wearing a hoodie” is not a thing that would give even a law officer “reasonable articulable suspicion” to question him, and Trayvon Martin did not match the description of a suspect in a crime, nor had one been recently committed in that neighborhood. The only “suspicious” aspect about him was his color (also, he was tall, but a beanpole with it). If Zimmerman’s victim had been white, you’d be all over about evil wetbacks, wouldn’t you?… And when the Hell does an interracial crime in one state excuse an unconnected one in another? You want me to come back at you with Daryl Dedmon?
I’d add that Zimmerman, a German name, is often taken for Jewish. If the victim were a white Protestant, I suspect you’d be all over Moonfront and Stormbattery with that one, too.
on March 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
First of all, Latino is not a “race” in itself. If you go to Cuba, you’ll see blacks and whites. If you go to Puerto Rico, you’ll see blacks, whites, and a few Taino Indians. Go to any country in Latin America and you’ll see they’re as racially/ethnically diverse as the United States. Also, Hispanics are actually people from the European nation of Spain.
Second, Jon, you say the Latino base will be mad if Obama doesn’t speak out. Speak out for what? Against what? And I don’t think Goerge Zimmerman has a credible defense since he followed Trayvon Martin.
Jason, once again, you reveal how stupid you are. There are lots of crimes, bias and non-bias, that don’t get national news. Is it because of the media itself? Not really. It’s all about folks bringing it attention. I heard about this case in the middle of March. Remember, this all happened on the 26th of February. It was locals that made it national thanks to Twitter and other social networking sites. As for the case in Kansas, I hope those two boys get put in jail for what they did.
on March 28th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Jason, if there is one thing the media definitely avoids covering and never becomes national stories it is when a pretty White woman is missing.
on March 28th, 2012 at 10:20 am
By the way, I heard about the story in Kansas immediately after it happened, the one where a white male was set on fire by two black males. They’re being investigated and will be charged with a hate crime. As for Zimmerman, he’s still a free man. Crazy world, huh?
on March 28th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Each of you ask yourself this question: “If the current legal process..and those involved/investigating…find no criminal fault or hate intent against Zimmerman, will you go along with it and accept it?”. He for sure will find himself in a civil liability case…
on March 28th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
ADM, Erica,
Well, don’t you remember the case of Channon Christian & Christopher Newsom in Knoxville, TN? A lovely young white couple just out on a date who were abducted, tortured, raped, and murdered. The assailants were black. This story received little national media attention. Here is a Wikipedia link to the story in case you are unfamiliar with it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....her_Newsom
on March 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Presumably, Jason, that case was prosecuted. This one is not even being investigated by the Sanford authorities, and a racist crime in another jurisdiction has no nexus at all in this one…unless you are prepared to call them all acts of the war which exists in your head.
on March 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
“Why is this story national news? There are countless cases of whites being attacked by blacks everyday in this country. These stories never get reported nationally. They are reported locally for just one day, usually on the back page. ”
Actually blacks are overrepresented in local news as criminals. And in any case, unlike Zimmerman, when those individuals are caught, they are ARRESTED and prosecuted. Not like Zimmerman.
on March 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Compare and contrast these 2 videos:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/.....?hpt=hp_c1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FZ_nxmf0Y
on March 28th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
The Miami Herald reports that surveillance video taken of Zimmerman right after the event in question demonstrates he did not have a broken nose, nor any wounds or soiling to tha back of his head or body.
on March 28th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
It doesn’t look good for those who stand behind Jorge Zimmerman. New evidence was just released, showing that the night Jorge was arrested in the fatal and senseless shooting of Martin. Police surveilance videos captured Zimmerman at the station in handcuffs. Who appeared to be clean shaven and bald. Clear cut, there were no signs of visible injuries, that were originally purported by Zimmerman. And to add on top that, he appeared “well built” and didn’t looked to be pansy sissy that he claimed to be. He was quite stocky and seemed to be in condition to defend himself in a fight of Martin’s size:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/tray.....3O_wdWcGSp
It looks like it keeps getting better and better in favor of Martin. That’s pretty good news.
on March 29th, 2012 at 9:30 am
The MSNBC site had a video compatible with my device. It is not “grainy”, and Zimmerman neither moved nor looked like he had been in any fight whatever, and his jacket, vermillion and not dark red, would have shown blood if there had been any substantial amount.
His father has been identified as a “magistrate judge”, but there is some confusion from what jurisdiction. He appeared in silhouette on an interview, and the substance of the interview indicates the cover story is likely to have oeiginated with him.
on March 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
It’s odd two minorities get into a mortal fight. One trying to clean up his neighborhood, calls authorities for help some 45 times? Is attacked by youth, get tossed down shoots him dead. Meanwhile black babies are aborted at highest rate of any other group? Black on black crime is always the highest of any other group. One year from now 100 more youths will be in the ground. No one will even care?
on March 29th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Matt, are you blind, deaf, or just pigheaded? The visual evidence negates any such struggle, and Zimmerman, whose father is a white *judge*, appears to have had paranoid tendencies. I have no idea how many “black babies” are aborted, but high abortion and crime rates in any community are usually signs of poverty and hopelessness.
on March 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Jason, that case was prosecuted and the perpetrators were sent to jail. It’s old news. Where have you been, dummy? And there was no evidence that couple was attacked because they’re white. It is possible for a person of one racial/ethnic background to commit a crime against someone of a different ethnic/racial background and hate or bias not be a factor. Of course, you WNs are too stupid to know that.
on March 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
The Daily Caller has a story about the Zimmerman video. He does indeed have a mark on the back of his head that looks like a gash. The video is of poor a resolution, however they enhanced the pictures. Take a look at this link: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03.....ad-injury/
Was blood from the wound wiped off by police prior to the video? there is clearly a mark on his head that looks like a long narrow split or gash of the head.
on March 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
To A.D.M – I really hope you’re wrong that nothing will happen. This guy needs to be tried and these laws challenged and reversed.
I sure would like to see the hospital or police reports that Zimmerman made due to his “injuries”.
on March 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I DO wish that the media would cease repeating Zimmerman’s BS that as he is of Hispanic descent and has black relatives he cannot be racist( he is about as Hispanic as Cameron Diaz!)
on March 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Although I have kept up with this story since it broke, I am still having a hard time separating fact from fiction on a few issues. From what I do know, I am pretty well convinced that Mr. Zimmerman should have been arrested and there is something murky going on with the police involved, but I want to make sure my conclusion is based on factual information.
I have seen the police surveillance video and it was very clear on my computer. Mr. Zimmerman looked in no way at all to have been in a fight, much less a serious altercation which caused his nose to be broken. I read that he was bloodied and his clothing was stained. What I would like to know:
1) Is there any information that would cause doubt as to the authenticity of this video?
2) Are there any pictures of Mr. Zimmerman showing his injuries?
3) What happened to his stained clothing?
I have also read that Trayvon’s girlfriend has not been contacted by the police. Considering there is hard proof that he was on the phone with her at the time of the incident, what possible reason could there be for this if it is indeed the truth?
As I understand it, Mr. Zimmerman has been involved in 2 violent disputes before this one. Has Trayvon shown any signs of being violent? I have read that he did. Either way, it is clear who started this altercation but I just need to know the facts and would really appreciate it if someone could clear up the issues I have with some of the information I’ve read.
on March 29th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I apologize but I have an additional question I forgot to ask. Is it true that Mr. Zimmerman was not given an alcohol/drug test but one was done on Trayvon’s body? If so, why would this be?
on March 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I think SPL CENTER may be struck in a deep rut.
I think the SPLC is failing to recognize a nationwide systematic pattern of murder of African people in America by police.
It is not enough to blame rogue cops and wild White nationalist klan types. While bad cops and racist “poor Whites” may be the foot soldiers-we know they are not the generals ……
Police do not operate in isolation. DAs, majors,city managers, state officials and even national political, judicial and national police agencies operate in tandem to generate an American style of state terror aimed at African american people. In order for terror to work, no one can be held accountable for the murders .
This pattern of police murder followed by police inaction is a defacto form of terrorism. The aim of these murders is to create terror African american people. This is nothing new.
It is time for a paradigm shift.
Lets call it what it is and deal with it like we deal with terrorism in other parts of the world!
on March 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Peyton, you are broaching something that is far beyond the scope of this blog.
Every municipality has its share of bigoted law officers, just as every force is likely to have certain cadres of corrupt ones, who are protected by what has been called “The Blue Wall”, which even honest and dutiful officers feel bound to observe. To go from that to a concerted national conspiracy to murder and terrorize black people is to make a helluva jump that cannot be made without hard evidence. I have worked with a police co-author who could tell you a helluva lot about both the Blue Wall and racist police officers, but organized, nation-wide conspiracy ain’t it. I’ve seen too many police who can’t even keep their shoelaces together, let alone that.
Meanwhile, all you “grainy video” Zimmerman-defenders: it sure as Hell wasn’t that grainy. Moreover, Zimmerman was clearly walking sound, without any of the irregularities in his gait that would indicate he had been injured in the manner described.
I have my father’s nose, to wit: his was broken three times, mine twice. I guarantee you Zimmerman’s face showed no sign of such an injury.
on March 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
A couple of observations – I don’t agree with Farakhan, I especially don’t care for the New Black Panther Party, however, I don’t understand why anyone would be upset that Black People would be resentful of the history of racism in this country. This hatred that they have for Jesse Jackson and Ralph Sharpton is extremely misplaced. Unfortunately in many cases the only way people of color get justice is for high profile Human Rights leaders to get involved. That make some folks upset but that is the truth in America. This is the sadness of America. And now the Right Wing wants to incite a race war so they can frighten Working Class Whites into not voting for Obama. It’s all about scaring Whites into voting against their own best interests..
on March 29th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
If any of the reports are to be believed, including the eyewitness who called 911: the only person who could have cited the “Stand Your Ground” law would have been Trayvon. He did not pursue Zimmerman, he was trying to get away from him and eventually turned to face him and called for help. That’s what it sounded like from Zimmerman’s calls and the neighbor’s call. Why the media keeps tossing this phrase around is beyond me. It absolutely does NOT apply here, because the only person it applied TO was Trayvon, who was beig pursued by Zimmerman.
on March 29th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
This story and the number of nasty comments are frightening to me. Where are we heading in this world that is constantly at war and people hurting other people. Seems that some animals (non-human) are more peaceful than humans who supposedly are more intelligent. Don’t know what the outcome will be but our courts and police are not well thought of by many either.
on March 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
the doj must step in and take over this case. tensions are increasing by the hour . to much of sanford pd info has been proven to be totally untrue. zimmermann is a free man and that is not right. we are a nation of laws and the law must be followed. all haters should just back off and let the doj do its job. if they don’t, who knows what may happen.
on March 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Reynardine you seem to be attempting to dictate views and values to other people.
Your attempt to justify police murder of African people in America by shows how deep the problem is. If we look behind your “Blue Wall” we will see the filth,crime,murder, corruption and injustice that leaves a nasty trail from the police station to the governor’s desk and sometimes even to the Oval Office.
We wonder how you define “terrorism”. Can random police murder be used as an instrument of terror?
Can the criminal justice system itself be used as an instrument of terror? I say yes.
The failure to hold anyone responsible for murder by police is a crime. The line of guilt must move to local, state and federal officials. In other countries we would call this state terrorism or even a form of genocide. But here in America we cover it over with sociological jargon and the rhetoric of indignation and despair.
A certain satisfaction is felt when the police officials are caught in their own web of lies and half truths.
Yet no one pays for the crime and the criminal s walk free.
We all know that if the racial dynamics had been reversed and a 17 year old white boy had been murdered and the shooter had been a 28 year old black man with the criminal history of Mr. Zimmerman the charge of murde in the first degree would have been filed.
No amount of empty “school boy” rhetoric can change that fact!
These state crimes must be taken before an international body.
on March 29th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Peyton, you are attacking a straw man. I am stating only that your vast national conspiracy among local and municipal police agencies doesn’t exist. They have no such co-ordination. Climate of bigotry? Yes. Local favoritism? Definitely. Blue Wall? Of course. Similar phenomena resulting? Naturally. But they can, at this date, form no such national conspiracy as you name. If you go galloping and snorting around with wild hairs up your backside, you’ll discredit the valid charges about what does exist, and since you have called me an accessory to murder, I will call you a concern troll and an imposter.
on March 29th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Peyton,
Good luck with that. And I won’t go one word further.
on March 29th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Did ALEC and the NRA realize that they were unleashing a race war with these policies? I am leaning towards YES.
on March 29th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
D. Peyton, no offense mate but try a little reading comprehension.
on March 30th, 2012 at 7:08 am
I will start this comment by making the following statements:
1-I am a hispanic
2-I am Jewish
3-I am a Democrat
4-I strongly believe that Trayvon was the victim of a crime
I find it interesting that since Trayvon’s murder, all the Zimmerman camp has tried to do is smear Trayvon. Even if he did make a few mistakes, as most adolescents do, that does not change the facts. I also find it interesting that although Mr. Zimmerman’s camp states that Trayvon assaulted Mr. Zimmerman, the police video shows no bruises, no bleeding.
There is no excuse for what happened to Trayvon, and people know that. All these attempts to smear Trayvon are showing us what we already know. George Zimmerman is a coward who took the life of an unarmed child. That will never change.
Everything else… well Mr. Zimmerman, not only are you not succeeding in your attempts to smear Trayvon’s name, but people are seeing you for what you are…. a murderer.
on March 30th, 2012 at 9:34 am
I’d like to make a comment regarding the so-called “New” Black Panther Party. Former members of the real Black Panther Party, which was a left-wing group, such as its co-founder Bobby Seale has repeatedly denounced and repudiated these guys and called them “a joke.” I agree. Also, their membership in the United States is in the low double digits. I think it’s 20 or something around the number. In other words, these guys don’t really have any kind of authority and they’re also hate group.
on March 30th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Jason, all this talk about the video being grainy is nonsense. The video is crystal clear. As for the little mark on the back of George Zimmerman’s head, if Trayvon Martin repeatedly bashed his head on the sidewalk, wouldn’t there be long, multiple bruises or scars on the back of Zimmerman’s head? If he was taken to a hospital, wouldn’t there be bandages to cover up the wounds and a neck brace to support his neck? Head injuries can cause damage to the spine. Wouldn’t there be blood on his jacket and shirt, especially since he said his nose was broken, which it obviously wasn’t? And if he was taken to a hospital, where are the medical records?
Also, wouldn’t he be disoriented from having his head bashed on the sidewalk? Looking at the way he stepped out of the cop car handcuffed and without help, which is hard to do, and the way he walked, he clearly had his mental faculties together. Emma Onawa, I don’t know if Zimmerman will be arrested and charged, but it looks like his defense is crumbling. His black friend-for-hire, Joe Oliver, provided nothing but gut feelings even though he wasn’t at the scene of the crime and he said he does not consider himself to be a close friend of Zimmerman. And his brother and father provided nothing because they weren’t there, too, and they’re just repeating what George told them.
on March 30th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Krissy, I’m rather with you on that. Certainly, ALEC is doing that. The NRA may be doing that or it may be a Freudian reaction. You know that one about
This is my rifle
This is my gun
This one’s for fighting
This one’s for fun
?
Well, this, “The black man in the White House is going to take our guns away” takes on a whole new light when you think about that.
on March 30th, 2012 at 11:08 am
So Jason, your example on how the news media ignores Black and White crime is a case which got enough national coveerage to be prominent enough to merit a Wikipedia page?
Renardine, its pretty clear that they are afraid that the Black man in the White House has a bigger gun.
But while its not wise to bait people with guns, the response I want to give to that saying is “congratulations on the possession of the World’s Smallest Gun – you must be so proud to own such a unique item.”
on March 30th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Julia wrote:
I apologize but I have an additional question I forgot to ask. Is it true that Mr. Zimmerman was not given an alcohol/drug test but one was done on Trayvon’s body? If so, why would this be?
Yes, it is true. In addition, Trayvon’s parents were not contacted within 24 hours after his death and his body went to the morgue as John Doe, even though he had a cell phone with him. The police could have at least called the last number dialed since his parent’s had called him several times to find out where he was. How any of this is representative of standard police protocol is beyond me. The police were grossly negligent.
on March 31st, 2012 at 6:01 pm
What happened to the old saying “Innocent until proven guilty?” Lately this country is acting as jury before the case comes to trial. It reminds me of the good old western movies of yesteryear, where people shouted; “Hang him.” Come on now, we are more civilized then that. What’s happening in this country today, as far as criminal cases, is embarrassing. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and that’s it.
on April 1st, 2012 at 1:36 am
When the grand jury comes back with no charges against Zimmerman, IF any group riots and starts committing race-hatred assaults, you folks know which group that will be. But this isn’t Watts ’65 or LA ’92. They won’t catch us by surprise this time. We are ready, waiting and willing…
on April 1st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Ok during the election year, we now have an American teenager killed by a latino man. But no one seems to recall the Muslim teenager Abdulrahman al-Awlaki that was killed in Yemen in October by the Obama administration. Now we have Muslim groups coming out in support of justice for this family. My heart goes out to this family, but I can not help but feel that they are somehow being used as pawns for a political agenda. Why can’t people look beyond the racial inuendos and see that this is all a ploy for votes? Have we lost our ability for critical thinking? Now we have Americans being divided yet again because of politics and media. If Martin Luther King were alive today, what would he think? What would he say? If Ghandhi were alive, what knowledge would he have to pass for the Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists? It is sad to see that America has not evolved past the caveman. Picking up clubs to settle problems. Someone’s child is dead and will not be returning. Someone’s heart is broken. Someone’s life has been changed forever. And hate and disdain is all we can think of. Instead of bridging gaps, we make them larger. It was reported that Zimmerman had PTSD. Was he a veteran? Did he receive treatment for this? What issues are under that story? Do neighborhood watches work? What is the critieria to be on a neighborhood watch? Why are we imprisoning so many people in this country? Why are we spending more on wars against the Islamic nations, and less on education? Why are there so many living in poverty, homeless, unemployed, underemployed? Why are we not going after the true criminals? Those that are controlling this country? Instead, we are pointing the finger and using yet another tragedy as a means to spark hatred and racism in the masses? Where are our Martin Luther Kings? Where are our Ghandhis? Where are our Jesus’s? Where are our Crazy Horses? Where are our Geronimos? Where are our Standing Bulls? Where are our prophets of peace? Where is humanity in all of these humans?
on April 1st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Fact 1: George and Trayvon’s photos were false in the press in such a way as to influence support for Trayvon and hatred for George. The photos were between 6-8 years old.
Fact 2: The condo development in Sanford had over 400 criminal incidents since January 2012 and George Zimmerman was officially a volunteer of Neighborhood Watch as sanction by the condo association.
Fact 3: George had a broken nose and abrasions on the back of his head and steadfastly has maintained he was attacked without provocation.
Fact 4: The gun carried by George was a 9mm Kel Tec automatic with a 10 round clip. Only one shell casing was found and only one bullet was fired. Most people would have fired multiple times if their intent was to kill. Even police in training are taught the “double tap” (one in the chest and one in the head). Unfortunately, the bullet fired at an aggressive Trayvon hit a vital place and killed him.
The real crime is how the press has handled this, how the black racists: Sharpton, Jackson, Farakon and the new black panthers have crossed the line. I’m actually the stupid S.O.B’s cross the line and find out what true justice is all about.
on April 1st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Liza B……Hey, don’t feel bad, their is NOTHING WRONG with being Hispanic.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
“Fact 3: George had a broken nose and abrasions on the back of his head and steadfastly has maintained he was attacked without provocation.”
Wrong, video evidence shows otherwise.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 am
Neighborhood watches are not supposed to be going about armed and making citizen’s arrests, either. They are supposed to WATCH. They are supposed to report suspicious phenomena to the police as accurately as possible. These days, a cell phone photo or two for evidence would not be out of line. But THAT’S IT. They are not supposed to be carrying out vigilante justice.
Meanwhile, OBWON2008, your last paragraph interests me. Perhaps your dedication and energy could be better employed by the Wyoming Navy.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Randall, I refer you also to the Wyoming Navy, and especially its aircraft carrier.
In all seriousness, this lip-smacking on the part of certain parties hoping “they” are provoked into rioting so “we” can “show them what real justice is”, is starting to sound unwholesome. I could foresee a number of events coming out of this mindset, but I don’t want to give ideas to single-celled organisms.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
Randall A, what the hell are you talking about? Are you saying you want a race war? If so, you are an evil piece of trash. And if George Zimmerman does not get charged, I highly doubt there will be any rioting by anybody. Cases like this come and go all the time. I’m from Brooklyn, New York City, so I know firsthand. When this dies down, and it sort of has, people will go about their business. Remember, there has been an increase in interracial everything.
OBWON2008, nice name. I can see you’re very smart, but as Ruslan pointed out, number 3 is wrong. As for the others, how do you know the photos are old? How do you know the condo association made Zimmerman the head? Please show your work, I’d like to know. As for Al Sharpton and the other folks you named being racists, well, that’s your view. I see him as a blowhard. You obviously don’t what the word racist means.
Yes, Tobias A. Weissman, Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, but the evidence isn’t looking up for him. That’s why this case should tried in a court of law, not a court of publc opinion. Try not to get riled up by the media. They’re only looking for ratings.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am
with the Wyoming Navy, maybe Dick Cheney can finally serve in the military.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
Though Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, the motivations of the Sanford Police is failing to investigate, allowing the spoliation of evidence, and reportedly suppressing the testimony of witnesses does not appear innocent. On that account, this whole affair needs an outside investigation by an impartial authority.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Ruslan,
There’s a new story from ABC news with enhanced video of Zimmerman showing he had injuries. The link is here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayv.....3noIfXrpsE
Do you trust ABC as a legitimate mainstream news source?
on April 2nd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Erika, I believe Dick Cheney has already been appointed Admiral of the Wyoming Navy. His flagship will be the proposed aircraft carrier, otherwise known as the Very Biggest Rubber Swannie.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
I note that neither Glacial Lake Agassiz nor Glacial Lake Missoula ever afforded the future Wyoming a coastline, but perhaps the Wyoming legislature is anticipating a future extension of the Great Nebraska Sea, q.v.
on April 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
This case is bigger than we think,I am afraid we are heading toward a civil war. Trayvon Martin case is an example of conspiracy against blacks,the problem is in the police department.
on April 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 am
Mae, we’re not going to be in a second civil war. I’m starting to think folks saying there’s going to be a conflict as a result of this case want a conflict. Ridiculous.
Jason, I saw that video. I still say it’s not enough of a good defense for George Zimmerman. Besides, if someone was following or stalking you just because you “look suspicious,” wouldn’t you confront the person and ask why he or she is following you? Zimmerman was the aggressor from the beginning and followed Trayvon Martin after the 911 dispatcher told him not to. If there was a scuffle and Martin was defending himself, the Stand Your Ground law should apply to him.
on April 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Why is black on white crime never reported on this scale. There is a lot more blacks attacking and killing white people all over the world. If this was a black man shooting a white kid there would be no reports, maybe a line on the last page of a local paper.
on April 4th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Let me get this straight, Jason. You show me a piece from ABC news and then ask me if I trust ABC news, as though I shouldn’t. So which is it? In any case, the girlfriend on the phone heard him get tackled to the ground; it is ridiculous to believe that Martin managed to successfully attack Zimmerman while on the phone with his girlfriend. Even if he did attempt to fight while on the phone, it must have meant Zimmerman was moving in on him. If I planned to attack someone or believed I was going to be attacked, I would get the hell off my phone so I could have two hands free.
on April 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
All over the world, Millie? On what authority? Who are you defining as “black”, and who as “white?” By U.S. standards, most of the world’s people are neither. Or are you going by the old British Empire standards that anyone who isn’t neatly “white” or “yellow” is “black”?
Factually, most people who are victimized, are victimized by their own group, and women who are murdered, are murdered by a current or former matr.
on April 4th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Read, “mate”. I do not mean by their own mothers (tiny keyboard)
on April 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Ruslan, you wrote: “You show me a piece from ABC news and then ask me if I trust ABC news, as though I shouldn’t. So which is it?”
My Answer: I do not know. I am not you. You have to tell us. You are a far left wing Communist type who’s views are shaped by critical theory from the Frankfurt school. I suspect you will refuse to look at any facts that do not match your worldview. You believe anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. You’re basically a Communist robot.
on April 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Jason,
I can’t speak for Ruslan, but I believe those who have proven themselves to be stupid are, in fact, stupid. Based on every comment I have ever seen you post, you are, in fact, stupid.
And not even a stupid robot. Just stupid.
on April 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Actually, Aron, this is a purposeful stupidity, selectively applied to any fact or argument that undermines his justification for his favored kinds of meanness.
on April 4th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Aron, Reynardine > Yes, far left-wing cultural Marxists like yourselves believe that anyone who disagrees with them, or has a different narrative of history, is stupid. We all know this already.
on April 4th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Jason clings to a racialist worldview that is factually, scientifically and literally wrong. Yet, he accuses others of refusing to look at any facts that do not match their worldview. Projection is a helluva drug.
Jason may be the smartest man in his Klavern, where he regales them with tales of how he slew the beast at SPLC. That is like being the smartest kid on the short bus, because at the end of the ride, you are still on the short bus.
on April 4th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Jason, you’re back! Tell us again how Norman Rockwell was a Nazi sympathizer!
Then tell us again how the Holocaust was invented in 1991 to cover up for the fall of the Soviet Union!
We await the detritus of your mind with bated breath!
The tumbrels await!
on April 5th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Jason,
Once again, I am not calling you stupid because your viewpoints differ from mine. The clash of differing viewpoints is what brings about positive societal change, after all.
I am calling you stupid because you are, in fact and in word, stupid. You are so stupid you do not even know how stupid you are!
on April 5th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
If I am stupid, explain how I was able to read the two volume work, “The Gulag Archipelago” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?
I read the first volume about 20 years ago, and it was so sickening I couldn’t read volume II. Then about 3-4 years ago I re-read volume I and then volume II. I encourage you to read it. It will give you insight into the system of slave labor camps (gulags) under Communism. I can’t debate you here if you resort to name calling. You need to learn more about history first and then we can have a discussion.
There is one scene in that book, it’s a sickening scene, where they load people on to barges on the Ob river (just east of the Urals) and take them north and then just throw them on the ice above the tree line and say, “ok, this is your new gulag”. And there’s another section later where the gold minds in the Kolyma region are describe, and the horrible working conditions there, and how they used food, especially hot food, to control people. It really made me cry. As a grown man the last and only other time I cried was at my mother’s funeral. Why no prosecution of former slave camp bosses and gulag guards I ask myself? Why no Nuremberg type trials I ask? The Soviet Union collapsed in 1990. Many of these men are still alive. Yet former Nazis, who are old men in their 90s like John Demjanuk, are STILL hounded. Lazar Kaganovich, the ‘butcher of Ukraine” lived to the ripe old age of 94 and yet he was never prosecuted for the deliberate Ukrainian famine he orchestrated.
You men are simply confused and ignorant of history. Most of what you believe probably only comes from television dramas. You are probably good people but you believe in lies.
on April 5th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Well, I’m glad to heer you red about how the gold minds are describe, Jason, and how this proofs you kin reed an spel gud.
on April 6th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Hey Stupid Jason,
John Demjanjuk died about a week ago. So he is no longer being ‘hounded.’ And the ability to read something does not prove intelligence. The ability to read something and then UNDERSTAND is a mark of intelligence. By your account, you’ve read it, but you still don’t understand it. A.S. has been proven to be not the most diligent of scholars, so where has your statement been regarding that issue?
Also, please give me one example where I have issued an appologia for Stalinism. Because I think you might be hard pressed to do so. I would also recommend you examine the historicity of the Holodomer. The jury is very much still out regarding whether the famine was engineered or not. There’s no question over the evils of forced collectivization. That was a horrible, horrible evil to befall the Ukranian people.
(I call you stupid because of your assertion that the Holocaust was a Soviet invention, and that Norman Rockwell was a Nazi sympathizer. Again, stupid by word, stupid by fact.)
on April 7th, 2012 at 12:24 am
“If I am stupid, explain how I was able to read the two volume work, “The Gulag Archipelago” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?”
One has to be stupid to put so much faith in that nationalist nutcase Solzhenitsyn.
Also, nobody refers to Lazar Kaganovich as the “Butcher of Ukraine,” as he held a leadership position in that party for a very short time, in which he carried out orders to CUT the procurement quotas in Ukraine and direct famine relief programs there. Most of the time he was in charge of heavy industry.
on April 9th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I have yet to determine what a cultural Marxist is. The last time I checked, you are either an economic Marxist, or no Marxist at all. But maybe Jason was thinking of Groucho, Chico, or Harpo.
on April 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Scalp wounds, which I have incurred a few times, bleed profusely for hours. Even small ones do. If the mark on the back of Zimmerman’s head was a scalpwound, it would probably have to have been incurred at least a day before the incident.