Comments on: Calling All Black People: NOM Wants to Use You

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:54:31 +0000

Why is NOM still not listed by SPLC as a “hate group”?

Even a quick reading of the recently released NOM document, finds that NOM makes explicit plans to incite hate, by spreading false statements about all three minorities. NOM has a well documented history of making false statements about gays. They have consistently made those statements, over a period of years, as part of an overt program intended to harm gays.

It seems to me, there is now more than ample evidence that NOM is a bonafide hate group.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:58:28 +0000

Why wasn’t NOM preaching about the “sanctity of marriage” when Kim Kardashian split from her husband after just 2 1/2 months, or following Britney Spears’ 48-hour first marriage? Oh, and now that their strategy’s been exposed for all the world to see, they’ve tried to do damage control by citing the promiment African-Americans and Latinos they’ve worked with, which is like a bigot trying to deny his prejudices by saying “I’m not racist, some of my best friends are black”.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:31:50 +0000

Aron, I’d have a perfect response to that, but as noted before, the moderators are prudish. Yet my experience is that even more intricate profanity is to be found among Spaniards, and nobody swears like a good pudin diplomático.

By: Aron

Aron — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:13:37 +0000

The best abusive pastries are canolli. Because NOBODY swears like the Italians.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:21:56 +0000

I still can’t get that image of a perorating pastry out of my head.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:12:50 +0000

Thanx, Wade. I was about to resolve never to go near another bakery.

By: Wade@MacMorrighan.Net

Wade@MacMorrighan.Net — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:30:34 +0000

LOL! I meant “pastor”! Damned Mac autocorrect. :P

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:22:23 +0000

Crimony! Trying again:

http://library.gayhomeland.org.....raight.htm

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:20:36 +0000

There was a typo in one of the links I posted. Here’s the correct one:

http://library.gayhomeland.org/catalogue_EN.htm

By: Aron

Aron — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:19:53 +0000

Rey,

Everyone knows the tastiest croissants are the ones that scream abuse at you. You’re seriously missing out, my friend!

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:10:36 +0000

Wade, I followed you just fine, but if a pastry ever started hollering at me, I’d put it in the outside trashcan so fast-

By: Wade@MacMorrighan.Net

Wade@MacMorrighan.Net — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:56:38 +0000

Mr. Potok, with all due respect, do the following two actions not count as “hate speech” by NOM: NOM sponsored an anti-Gay rally in which a pastry (Ruben Diaz?) screamed at the assembled crowd that “Gays are worthy of death!” and just late last year Brian Brown posted a blog on NOM’s site insisting that the acceptance of Gay people would lead to the normalization of pedophilia as another “valid” sexual orientation.

By: Wade@MacMorrighan.Net

Wade@MacMorrighan.Net — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:51:07 +0000

It’s also interesting to note that Maggie Gallagher may be more than *slightly* racist, herself! More than 20 years ago in 1991 she penned an article in which she expressed how harmful and threatening diversity and multiculturalism was to white Christian parents in public schools, and even ending it by noting how embarrassed she was to admit that “most African Americans are Christian”! Here’s the article in question: http://www.city-journal.org/article02.php?aid=1610

By: Wade@MacMorrighan.Net

Wade@MacMorrighan.Net — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:45:54 +0000

Mark, also hidden within their docs. was the disclosure that they paid someone (otherwise anonymous) an annual salary of $60,000 to seek out and film dysfunctional children of Gay parents who might have an axe to grind against their parent, thereby exploiting kids and using it as a propaganda weapon to make out gay people to be villains and even harmful to children.

~Wade White

By: Supersonic250

Supersonic250 — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:53:23 +0000

Mike… Not ModerateMike, but the other guy… You make the assumption that gay people are part of some sort of united conspiracy based on this book. You also assume that the gay community has “leaders” who are enforcing this conspiracy. This makes you either incredibly paranoid, intensely stupid, or both. No one group is united entirely, and there is no “gay agenda” outside of being afforded the same rights that everyone else has. Its right-wing nutjobs like you that give EVERYONE on the right-wing a bad name.

…Not that I’m a right-winger myself. I’m a liberal nutjob. :3

By: ModerateMike

ModerateMike — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:17:05 +0000

This is why I feel that groups like NOM are so much greater a threat than the Westboro Baptist Church. Keenly aware that they will be called out for posting inaccurate data, they facilitate access to misleading information while disclaiming affiliation with or responsibility for the groups that supply it.

Thanks, SPLC, for doing the digging that appears to be increasingly necessary to expose organized bigotry.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:48:21 +0000

Yes, Mike, the quote is accurate, but it’s not theirs. It’s Focus on Family’s paraphrase. You just failed to mention that at all, didn’t you? Or even come clean about Erastus Pill? Unless academe has deteriorated seriously, that kind of thing would get you kicked out of any kind of degree program, and a court on its toes would likewise sanction you for a specious cite.

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:42:18 +0000

Oooo good try on the diversion, but no cigar. The passage I quoted was accurate in both its content as well as it’s attribution. Yes, Erastas Pill was the pen name for Hunter Madsen. They both wrote the article, which they later turned into a book.

URL for their book:

http://www.amazon.com/After-Ba.....038;sr=1-1

Their article is located at various sources, but the one below is a gay site. Browse it for a while:

http://library.gayhomeland.org.....aight.html

It does not matter that most gays don’t know about these. It only matters that the leadership knows.

The left wing meme is that this is a right wing meme.

By: Erika

Erika — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:56:26 +0000

They can’t find a suitable bigot among the Uncle Ruckus for pay deziens of the conservative media? Or are all of the Uncle Ruckus types to busy watching White women in “lesbian porn” videos to join the anti-gay crusade?

By: Joel

Joel — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:03:23 +0000

The actions of NOM are remarkably familiar. I worked against Amendment 2 in Colorado, an amendment that was overturned by the Supreme Court in Romer v Evans. While NOM is focussed on equal marriage, Focus on the Family took the same tactic as NOM in attacking basic civil rights of GLBT people in Colorado.

Prior to the hearings, FOF published articles claiming that Nazi stormtroopers were recruited in Berlin gay bars with the intent of splitting ANOTHER traditionally Democratic base, Jews and gays.

I remember seeing a letter drafted by FOF stating that they would frame the amendment in terms of “special rights”. Like NOM, FOF used Black and Latino spokespeople in tv ads to keep “special rights” from being accorded to GLBT people. When SCOTUS finally overturned the amendment in 1996, those “special rights” included medical care, housing, and taking out library books.

NOM is using the same tactic. The questions I have are: ” Did NOM get the tactic from FOF ? Is there another group that for political ends is coaching FOF and NOM on these tactics ? What group ?”

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:18:13 +0000

Mark — Perhaps it’s time SPLC added “maliciously pitting minority groups against one another” as a criterion for hate groups. Also, “indirectly propagating known falsehoods”. It’s clear that NOM has (successfully?) attempted to insulate itself by linking to other sites to do its dirty work, such as associating gays with child molesters, but this cynical ploy should not insulate them from being identified as the hate group they are. And, perhaps SPLC should also consider maintaining a current list of hate groups online and updating it as the evidence comes in.

By: Robert Castle

Robert Castle — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:19:07 +0000

The entire Republican campaign is constructed around hate mongering, bigotry – nominate and vote for a candidate who can beat Obama. – If President Obama is for it Republicans are against it. Two of their candidates are using their religiosity, Christianity, while ignoring the essence of Christianity, compassion. They are an embarrassment and disgrace to those who believe in the principles set forth in the Bible and Constitution.

By: Gregory

Gregory — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:03:49 +0000

It sounds like “Mike” and “Paul” have issues. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were sockpuppets.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:58:43 +0000

Mike, I was curious enough to look up Erastes Pill. There was no Erastes Pill. There was an author named Hunter Madsen, who used the name, but the passage you attribute to him is neither his nor Mr. Kirk’s rather, it was what Focus on the Family *said* they said: your typical right-wing DARVO tactic. Either you have been taken in by the false quote, or you yourself were misattributing in bad faith. If the latter, don’t misattribute it to anyone with a name like Erastes Pill, because someone is sure to check it out.

By: Claude

Claude — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:25:11 +0000

There should be no quota or time to add a hate group to the hate group list. You have the evidence. You add them.

These people resort to lies, defy court decisions on electoral spending, pretend they are a grassroots organization when they are funded 90% by 5 huge donors (institutional or individual… not disclosed).

They now add cynical use of minorities against other minorities.

Just call them what they are.

By: a.mcewen

a.mcewen — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:55:59 +0000

Mike, the citation of that book – The Overhauling of Straight America – is an old religious right meme. The majority in the gay community have never heard of it and the only time it ever comes up is when someone from the religious right is accusing gays of using tactics outlined in it.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:28:49 +0000

Mike, if you think there even is such a person as Erastes Pill, let alone that he works for SPLC, you have a credulity problem, while if you think we’re going to believe in Erastes Pill, you have a credibility problem.

By: Mark Potok

Mark Potok — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:35:04 +0000

Our basic criteria for listing anti-gay groups has been that they “propogate known falsehoods” (like the claim that gay men molest children at very high rates) and engage in “repeated, baseless name calling.” As a practical matter, we just published the 2011 list of hate groups, so we won’t be looking at the list again until late this year.

By: CM

CM — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:33:32 +0000

These guys are keeping some pretty dubious company. “Noncognitive elite” seems to have been coined by libertarian Charles Murrary, co-author of the infamous “Bell Curve” book, for example. And if you Google the phrase, you’ll get hits from Stormfront and other white nationalist websites. Nice.

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:02:19 +0000

What does it take to actually get these guys declared a hate group?