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	<title>Comments on: Hutaree Case Ends as Two Plead to Weapons Charges</title>
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		<title>By: RLavigueur</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-424644</link>
		<dc:creator>RLavigueur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Canadian, the way that some Americans focus on the importance of defending themselves against criminals with handguns or other firearms never ceases to have an almost surreal quality to it. At times, it seems that what is being defended is as much the fantasy scenario in which they heroically save the day as the actual utility of the weapon. For these militias, the fantasy is simply taken further and, tragically, often more seriously.     

What celebrants of self defense via firearms are reluctant to accept is that, in nations with more restrictions on gun ownership, victimhood by violent crime is not higher. In fact, throughout the 2000s, Canada and America had very similar rates of homicide and other violent crimes with the exception of crimes involving firearms, which happen with much more frequency in America. Correlation doesn&#039;t prove causality, but we poor, unarmed Canadians seem to be doing pretty well for ourselves without concealed carry permits and the right to bring handguns to church.    

This isn&#039;t to say that nobody has ever protected his/her family with a gun, but as Robert and Ruslan both note, the devil in the details is “In responsible hands”. The numbers certainly suggest that cases where a gun owner successfully prevents a crime aren&#039;t common enough to make a measurable dent in violent crime overall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Canadian, the way that some Americans focus on the importance of defending themselves against criminals with handguns or other firearms never ceases to have an almost surreal quality to it. At times, it seems that what is being defended is as much the fantasy scenario in which they heroically save the day as the actual utility of the weapon. For these militias, the fantasy is simply taken further and, tragically, often more seriously.     </p>
<p>What celebrants of self defense via firearms are reluctant to accept is that, in nations with more restrictions on gun ownership, victimhood by violent crime is not higher. In fact, throughout the 2000s, Canada and America had very similar rates of homicide and other violent crimes with the exception of crimes involving firearms, which happen with much more frequency in America. Correlation doesn&#8217;t prove causality, but we poor, unarmed Canadians seem to be doing pretty well for ourselves without concealed carry permits and the right to bring handguns to church.    </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that nobody has ever protected his/her family with a gun, but as Robert and Ruslan both note, the devil in the details is “In responsible hands”. The numbers certainly suggest that cases where a gun owner successfully prevents a crime aren&#8217;t common enough to make a measurable dent in violent crime overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423886</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the cost of firearms, I am reminded of the L. A. police department&#039;s program to buy back guns. Some of the people who participated could not afford groceries and were happy to sell their guns for cash. Yes, they are expensive, and that seems to get lost in the discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the cost of firearms, I am reminded of the L. A. police department&#8217;s program to buy back guns. Some of the people who participated could not afford groceries and were happy to sell their guns for cash. Yes, they are expensive, and that seems to get lost in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423795</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops, I misread your by-line Robert. And my apologies to Ruslan as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, I misread your by-line Robert. And my apologies to Ruslan as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423551</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruslan,

Don&#039;t get me wrong. I happen to possess a small collection of various firearms for personal recreational use. I feel that it teaches responsibility, and frankly, plinking is just plain fun.

It&#039;s just the personal-defense obsessives who give use gun owners a bad name. And you&#039;re right. I have friends who collect machine guns, and they spend beyond exorbitant sums of money just to keep them fed. A favorite story involves one of them purchasing an entire ISO CONTAINER full of Argentine 7.92mm Mauser boxes just to feed his collection. It cost him something like $40,000.

Now that&#039;s some serious walking around money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruslan,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I happen to possess a small collection of various firearms for personal recreational use. I feel that it teaches responsibility, and frankly, plinking is just plain fun.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the personal-defense obsessives who give use gun owners a bad name. And you&#8217;re right. I have friends who collect machine guns, and they spend beyond exorbitant sums of money just to keep them fed. A favorite story involves one of them purchasing an entire ISO CONTAINER full of Argentine 7.92mm Mauser boxes just to feed his collection. It cost him something like $40,000.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s some serious walking around money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423519</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In responsible hands, &quot;   Here&#039;s the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In responsible hands, &#8221;   Here&#8217;s the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pinkerton</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423398</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pinkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Aron:
In responsible hands, the personal handgun is the law-abiding individua&#039;s first line of defense against interpersonal criminal aggression. All that law-enforcement can do, is only after the fact. Despite hoplophobic hand-wringing, defensive uses of a handgun often involve &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; shot fired.

Once upon a time, I sat down and figured out the cost of lawfully owning and firing a fully automatic weapon. Suffice it to say the figures gravely offended my sense of financial propriety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aron:<br />
In responsible hands, the personal handgun is the law-abiding individua&#8217;s first line of defense against interpersonal criminal aggression. All that law-enforcement can do, is only after the fact. Despite hoplophobic hand-wringing, defensive uses of a handgun often involve <i><b>no</b></i> shot fired.</p>
<p>Once upon a time, I sat down and figured out the cost of lawfully owning and firing a fully automatic weapon. Suffice it to say the figures gravely offended my sense of financial propriety.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423309</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, that should have said &#039;falling into the hands.&#039; It&#039;s probably very bad news when a gun -- or anything, for that matter -- enters one&#039;s hand. Ouchies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should have said &#8216;falling into the hands.&#8217; It&#8217;s probably very bad news when a gun &#8212; or anything, for that matter &#8212; enters one&#8217;s hand. Ouchies.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/03/29/hutaree-case-ends-as-two-defendants-plead-to-weapons-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-423307</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly, gun control laws have done little to prevent firearms from entering the hands of criminals. I hope this case proves to be an exception.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, gun control laws have done little to prevent firearms from entering the hands of criminals. I hope this case proves to be an exception.</p>
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