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	<title>Comments on: In Latest Show of Extremism, the NRA Hosts a Muslim-Basher</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-435261</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NRA has responsible members, but there are some nuts too. Like Occupy, the SPLC and every other group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NRA has responsible members, but there are some nuts too. Like Occupy, the SPLC and every other group.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Kinserlow</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-432449</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Kinserlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NRA has more blood on its hands than Al Qaeda.  That said, I believe you should be able to carry a gun in your own home.  Everywhere else should be a gun free zone.  Also, putting unique chemical markers in the lots of gunpowder would help the police.  You go in to buy bullets or gunpowder, you produce a photo ID and your name, address, etc. and the lot number are reported to the police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NRA has more blood on its hands than Al Qaeda.  That said, I believe you should be able to carry a gun in your own home.  Everywhere else should be a gun free zone.  Also, putting unique chemical markers in the lots of gunpowder would help the police.  You go in to buy bullets or gunpowder, you produce a photo ID and your name, address, etc. and the lot number are reported to the police.</p>
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		<title>By: ModerateMike</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-430874</link>
		<dc:creator>ModerateMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, the Koch brothers...I didn&#039;t know that they had their grubby little mitts in this issue as well, though it does not surprise me. But despite their wealth, they could not have been so successful without the help of the voters, who only began to question the role of the Koch brothers in far-right causes after seeing the Supreme Court loosen restrictions on corporate campaign contributions, and the weakening of public sector unions in Ohio and Wisconsin. 

What does amaze me is that LaPierre was still ranting about Obama in Sept. 2011, long after the Tea Party had engaged the parking brake in the House. Even if the President wanted to tighten restrictions on gun ownership, what hope would he realistically have of getting the legislation through Congress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, the Koch brothers&#8230;I didn&#8217;t know that they had their grubby little mitts in this issue as well, though it does not surprise me. But despite their wealth, they could not have been so successful without the help of the voters, who only began to question the role of the Koch brothers in far-right causes after seeing the Supreme Court loosen restrictions on corporate campaign contributions, and the weakening of public sector unions in Ohio and Wisconsin. </p>
<p>What does amaze me is that LaPierre was still ranting about Obama in Sept. 2011, long after the Tea Party had engaged the parking brake in the House. Even if the President wanted to tighten restrictions on gun ownership, what hope would he realistically have of getting the legislation through Congress?</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-430770</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, the reason that the stand your ground rule is relevant is not that it was factually applicable, but that the Sanford authorities used it as an excuse to allow the spoliation of evidence and let a &quot;coon hunter&quot; walk free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, the reason that the stand your ground rule is relevant is not that it was factually applicable, but that the Sanford authorities used it as an excuse to allow the spoliation of evidence and let a &#8220;coon hunter&#8221; walk free.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Zabetakis</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-430424</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Zabetakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dan, when Zimmerman gets off and the judge or DA cites the SYG law as the reason, will you come post an apology?&quot;

I won&#039;t apologize, but I will admit I was wrong.

I don&#039;t see how the SYG law can be relevant. Zimmerman&#039;s statement to the police is that he followed Martin, then headed back to his vehicle and was attacked without warning and knocked down. His defense must be that he was already retreating (and so SYG is irrelevant) or that he was suddenly attacked without a chance to retreat (and so SYG is irrelevant).

The state case appears to be that Zimmerman pursued Martin, then attacked and killed him. For this also, SYG is irrelevant.

There seems to be no reason to bring stand-your-ground laws into this case. I&#039;m frustrated that many people seem to want to get on their hobby horses about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dan, when Zimmerman gets off and the judge or DA cites the SYG law as the reason, will you come post an apology?&#8221;</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t apologize, but I will admit I was wrong.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how the SYG law can be relevant. Zimmerman&#8217;s statement to the police is that he followed Martin, then headed back to his vehicle and was attacked without warning and knocked down. His defense must be that he was already retreating (and so SYG is irrelevant) or that he was suddenly attacked without a chance to retreat (and so SYG is irrelevant).</p>
<p>The state case appears to be that Zimmerman pursued Martin, then attacked and killed him. For this also, SYG is irrelevant.</p>
<p>There seems to be no reason to bring stand-your-ground laws into this case. I&#8217;m frustrated that many people seem to want to get on their hobby horses about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-430177</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As originally passed in 2005, the &quot;stand your ground&quot; law applied to your home, your car, your farm, your business, or where you had a *proprietary* right to be; if you were elsewhere, you had to avoid the confrontation if you could do so without endangering yourself or another. I forget just when someone got big-headed and revised it like this. Florida has never required you to retreat inside a dwelling house if your assailant was not a member of your household. Of course, there was, prior to that time, the old custom of the &quot;Cracker hello&quot;, referred to by Theodore Pratt in &quot;Florida Roundabout&quot;, q.v.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As originally passed in 2005, the &#8220;stand your ground&#8221; law applied to your home, your car, your farm, your business, or where you had a *proprietary* right to be; if you were elsewhere, you had to avoid the confrontation if you could do so without endangering yourself or another. I forget just when someone got big-headed and revised it like this. Florida has never required you to retreat inside a dwelling house if your assailant was not a member of your household. Of course, there was, prior to that time, the old custom of the &#8220;Cracker hello&#8221;, referred to by Theodore Pratt in &#8220;Florida Roundabout&#8221;, q.v.</p>
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		<title>By: Bsr</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-430156</link>
		<dc:creator>Bsr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, when Zimmerman gets off and the judge or DA cites the SYG law as the reason, will you come post an apology?  Because that is what is going to happen.

I don&#039;t care what the fools who sponsored this law without reading it say to cover their ass.  I care that it has gotten killers off the hook before and will do so again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, when Zimmerman gets off and the judge or DA cites the SYG law as the reason, will you come post an apology?  Because that is what is going to happen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what the fools who sponsored this law without reading it say to cover their ass.  I care that it has gotten killers off the hook before and will do so again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-430064</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Remember, it is not Islamophobia if they are trying to kill you&quot;

And if &quot;they&quot; are not, then it IS Islamophobia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Remember, it is not Islamophobia if they are trying to kill you&#8221;</p>
<p>And if &#8220;they&#8221; are not, then it IS Islamophobia.</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-429845</link>
		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

I&#039;m not a legal expert, but I don&#039;t see how &quot;stand your ground&quot; can be so easily dismissed as inapplicable to the Martin case. Here&#039;s the relevant portion of the Florida statute:

&quot;A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.&quot;

Zimmerman claims he was attacked and shot Martin in self-defense, apparently believing he was in danger of &quot;death or great bodily harm&quot; even though Martin was unarmed.

As for whether the law was &quot;foremost in Zimmerman&#039;s mind at the time,&quot; it isn&#039;t worth discussing; none of us are mind-readers. But it&#039;s certainly plausible to conjecture that it was in his mind at some point: when he obtained his concealed weapon permit, for example, or when he volunteered to lead the Neighborhood Watch patrol, and maybe even when he showed up for his shift the night of Martin&#039;s death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a legal expert, but I don&#8217;t see how &#8220;stand your ground&#8221; can be so easily dismissed as inapplicable to the Martin case. Here&#8217;s the relevant portion of the Florida statute:</p>
<p>&#8220;A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.&#8221;</p>
<p>Zimmerman claims he was attacked and shot Martin in self-defense, apparently believing he was in danger of &#8220;death or great bodily harm&#8221; even though Martin was unarmed.</p>
<p>As for whether the law was &#8220;foremost in Zimmerman&#8217;s mind at the time,&#8221; it isn&#8217;t worth discussing; none of us are mind-readers. But it&#8217;s certainly plausible to conjecture that it was in his mind at some point: when he obtained his concealed weapon permit, for example, or when he volunteered to lead the Neighborhood Watch patrol, and maybe even when he showed up for his shift the night of Martin&#8217;s death.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Zabetakis</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-429827</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Zabetakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a gun owner who doesn&#039;t agree with the NRA. I find it amazing that the NRA continues to rail against Democrats, particularly Obama, when that party has been running scared on the gun issue for decades. It&#039;s clear that their (the NRA&#039;s) purpose has little to do with gun rights or gun ownership.

  However, I am not happy with linking this issue to the Trayvon Martin killing and using it as a platform to criticize the &quot;stand your ground&quot; laws. As far as I know, everyone with a credible legal viewpoint has said that the SYG law isn&#039;t applicable to this case, including Zimmerman&#039;s former lawyers. Zimmerman&#039;s statement is facially inconsistent with a stand your ground defense.

  Secondly, it borders on ludicrous to say Martin might be alive today if it wasn&#039;t for this law. That would suppose that the thing foremost in Zimmerman&#039;s mind at the time was a legal analysis of Florida gun law. 

  As a supporter of the SPLC I don&#039;t care to see you exploiting a tragic event to score political points, unless the event is directly related to the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a gun owner who doesn&#8217;t agree with the NRA. I find it amazing that the NRA continues to rail against Democrats, particularly Obama, when that party has been running scared on the gun issue for decades. It&#8217;s clear that their (the NRA&#8217;s) purpose has little to do with gun rights or gun ownership.</p>
<p>  However, I am not happy with linking this issue to the Trayvon Martin killing and using it as a platform to criticize the &#8220;stand your ground&#8221; laws. As far as I know, everyone with a credible legal viewpoint has said that the SYG law isn&#8217;t applicable to this case, including Zimmerman&#8217;s former lawyers. Zimmerman&#8217;s statement is facially inconsistent with a stand your ground defense.</p>
<p>  Secondly, it borders on ludicrous to say Martin might be alive today if it wasn&#8217;t for this law. That would suppose that the thing foremost in Zimmerman&#8217;s mind at the time was a legal analysis of Florida gun law. </p>
<p>  As a supporter of the SPLC I don&#8217;t care to see you exploiting a tragic event to score political points, unless the event is directly related to the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-429791</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is why I own firearms and refuse to join the NRA. They DO NOT speak for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why I own firearms and refuse to join the NRA. They DO NOT speak for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-429780</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, Miguel, unless you have cloven hooves and chew cud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, Miguel, unless you have cloven hooves and chew cud.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-429756</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, it is not Islamophobia if they are trying to kill you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, it is not Islamophobia if they are trying to kill you</p>
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		<title>By: CriticalDragon1177</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/10/in-latest-show-of-extremism-the-nra-hosts-a-muslim-basher/comment-page-1/#comment-429750</link>
		<dc:creator>CriticalDragon1177</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Potok,

Smooth move NRA.  Now even people who support gun rights who are not bigots, will have a hard time supporting you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Potok,</p>
<p>Smooth move NRA.  Now even people who support gun rights who are not bigots, will have a hard time supporting you.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I daresay next we&#039;ll hear about them chasing down and killing whoever they think is &quot;Mooslin&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I daresay next we&#8217;ll hear about them chasing down and killing whoever they think is &#8220;Mooslin&#8221;.</p>
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