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The Russians are Coming! ‘Patriot’ Paranoia Run Amok

By Ryan Lenz on April 27, 2012 - 2:30 pm, Posted in Antigovernment

In our time, no foreign army has ever occupied American soil. Until now.

So says the trailer for “Red Dawn,” a Cold War-era movie about a group of American teenagers who resist a Russian invasion, calling themselves Wolverines. Now, some 28 years after the film was released, the antigovernment “Patriot” crowd is having a bad case of deja vu.

This week, Oath Keepers has begun warning that a joint U.S.-Russian training exercise scheduled next month at Fort Carson, Colo., is undeniable proof that the “New World Order” is real and that the federal government is working hand-in-glove with the Russians to usher in a regime of global tyranny.

“Still don’t believe that a one-world government is planning to enforce a military-police state in America? Still have doubts about this Federal government’s planned martial law? … Still prefer the comfort of denial to the alarming danger of what is now confronting the US of A? This may help nay-sayers smell the coffee brewing,” the Oath Keepers warned, linking to an article posted by Business Insider, a U.S.-based news website, announcing the military exercise.

What’s got the Oath Keepers up in arms isn’t that U.S. Army paratroopers are training side-by-side with their Russian counterparts. The two governments have done that before, as early as 1995, according to the Defense Department. No, it’s that this appears to be the first time the government has actually welcomed Russian soldiers onto American soil.

So is this a real-live “Red Dawn”? Only for the professionally paranoid.

  • Some Guy On The Internet

    Here is the link to the oh-so-scary article:

    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/20.....-colorado/

    Here is the entire text of the article, which is quite dull, actually. It’s merely a confirmation of the rumor that Russian troops would indeed be training here in America. The comments that follow were made by any Some Guy On The Internet – just like THIS comment.

    *begin article content*
    Note from Elias Alias: One of our members received written confirmation that Russian troops will be training in Colorado during the month of May, 2012. The public Affairs Officer who sent us the email, Lieutenant Colonel Steve Osterholzer, was helpful in verifying this, and has granted permission to have his communication with our Oath Keepers member published here at our site. Following is Lt. Col. Osterholzer’s email content, quoted:

    Lieutenant Colonel Steve Osterholzer

    United States Army Public Affairs Officer

    “Military training between U.S. and Russian forces will in occur in May as part of a national-level Bilateral Program that has been in existence for years. The U.S. routinely conducts joint training with foreign forces in order to strengthen relationships, enhance familiarization with tactics and procedures, and to exchange best practices. In May a handful of Russian soldiers will conduct joint training with U.S. forces on Ft. Carson and a day of mountaineer familiarization in the mountains to the east of Ft. Carson. The training will consist of tasks common to both units; marksmanship, parachute jumps, communications, medical evacuations, etc. The Russian soldiers will be escorted 24/7 by U.S. military officers and all of the training/discussions will be unclassified. The end result of this program is an improved understanding of how the other foreign military works, thus enhancing the operational effectiveness of Allied forces.”

    -end email confirmation by PAO Osterholzer-
    *end article content*

    Oath Keepers confirmed a rumor! They must be CRAZY!!! Be afraid! Give up more of your liberties and freedoms to be protected from these CRAZY people!!!

  • jeremy

    Alot of your comments are very suprising. Those who think this is paranoia like 50 years ago wake up. If this administration was in power 50 years ago we would not be around today. They are in fact taking away our rights every day more and more and here I see many of the people who are asleep letting them do this are on this forum. The oath keepers are very real Jason. You think they aren’t a real movement because you couldn’t find much on google?? LOL get away from your computer for a few hours a day. You’ll wake up. You’ll see the real world and maybe realize you are almost out of civil rights, and our constitution is almost totally null and void.

  • Gregory

    Steve, the only fool here seems to be you.

  • Steve

    Didn’t a Russian General just threaten pre-emptive action against our planned NATO missile defense system. How do you make a threat like that on one hand and then come over to have hot dogs and Vodka at Ft. Carson on the next? One thing I’ve learned is to NEVER underestimate your enemy. In this case, it seems our enemy may very well be our own government. After all, they probably would not use American troops to impose any kind of martial law because the American troops would be reluctant to carry out some of the orders where foreign troops would have no problem carrying them out. But, if you don’t want give this the consideration that it deserves, don’t yell to loudly when they come to lock you up and drag your daughter off. Don’t say it can’t happen. Only fools think that way.

  • Disavowed 1

    Why let the truth stand in the way of a good story? That’s how they roll.

    -BD

  • David

    Why didn’t SPLC provide a link to the Oath Keeper’s article? That is common web practice. One was provided to the news article they wrote about, so why not to their article?

  • Reynardine

    Hell, ADM, he’s in a backward-moving time machine, which has turned him back into an egg.

  • A.D.M.

    Jason, just stop. You’re making yourself look stupid everytime you type a dumbass comment. You even typed 1965 to 1920. First, it’s the other way around. Second, lynchings occured way before 1920 and even after 1965. Third, acts of violence in other countries have nothing to do with acts of violence in the U.S. Fourth, Ruslan just smacked your ass back to reality. Then again, your reality is full of shit given the fact ALL political ideologies involved killing folks including democracy. Step away from your computer, dummy, because can’t out argue anyone here.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Jason, I’ve dealt with your claims before. Now let me again explain to you why you are a complete moron, and the greatest argument AGAINST “white” superiority in person.

    For this thought experiment, let’s just assume that you’re idiotic claims about Communism are true(in fact they are not; and Solzhenitsyn was no historian). I’m also going to assume that the number of lynchings you quoted was correct, although it’s really hard to say because for one thing, many lynchings were not performed by the KKK. The problem is that what happened in China or the Soviet Union has f— all to do with what happened in America.

    “There were systems of slave labor in these countries. For civilians.”

    Hmm….I think there used to be a system of slave labor in America too…for civilians! In fact there still is today, it’s called a prison system.

    “They were called Gulags, or ‘Re-education camps’.”

    “Gulag” does not mean ‘Re-education camp.’ The term is a Russian acronym meaning “Main Administration of Correctional-Labor Camps and Colonies.” These comprised the correctional system of the USSR and the majority of prisoners were always common-law criminals.

    “Now let’s do some math. Let’s take our figure of 80 million (Communist civilian deaths),”

    The figure you pulled out of your ass.

    ” and divide by two thousand (the KKK figure).”

    The other number you pulled out of your ass.

    ” I come up with a factor of 40,000.”

    And yet another number emerges from the depths of your ass.

    ” Thus I argue that Communism was 40,000 times more evil than the KKK ever was! That’s more than four orders of magnitude.”

    Thus I argue based on the above that you are a complete window-licking moron. If “evil” is somehow measured in body counts, then this creates a few problems. For example, the commonly accepted figure for deaths due to Stalin(which is still wrong) is 20 million. Ghengis Khan is alleged to have been responsible for as many as 30 million deaths, perhaps more(mostly Chinese peasants who starved in sieges). So I guess everyone needs to stop criticizing Stalin now, because according to your bizarre logic, Ghengis Khan scored 10 million more evil points.

    Also, you gave a figure of 2,000 for people lynched by the KKK. If we assume that figure is correct, but then consider ALL racial violence directed against blacks in America, we would obviously get a much higher figure(even if we do not include the centuries of slavery). By comparison, Enver Hoxha, Communist leader of Albania, has a four-digit body count from 1944-85. So I guess your KKK and their sympathizers are more evil than Hoxha in your book.

    Then there is the pesky issue of Hitler. If you simply measure “evil” by body counts, then you MUST put Hitler somewhere on the evil scale. So tell us Jason, how evil is Hitler. I want to hear it from the horse’s mouth, since I KNOW you’re just being totally objective and it would be ever so wrong of us to call you a Nazi sympathizer. Right?

    Lastly: Stalin died in 1953, Mao died in 1976. The chances of Stalin or Mao coming to power in the US are nil. The KKK, on the other hand, still exists, along with many similarly minded organizations. While their actions have been heavily curtailed since the 1960′s, they still occasionally commit acts of racial violence. Ergo, they are relevant, Mao and Stalin are not.

    In short, you lose, yet again.

  • http://twitter.com/AronL Aron

    This should be fun.

  • Gregory

    Then Jason shows up and proves Mark’s point.

  • Jason Smith

    Wow! I’m glad I got Mark Potok to respond to me. Mark, let me explain how your whole worldview is wrong and I’ll do it with orders of magnitude. We’re told the KKK for example is evil. I’ve researched this, and the total number of blacks lynched between 1965 and 1920 was about 2,000 individuals. Compare this with the crimes of Communism. Stalin sent 40 million people to gulags. 20 million died. Mao killed 30 million people before the cultural revolution, and another 30 million after the cultural revolution. Communists murdered people in Cambodia, Vietnam, Cuba, Angola. All told, Communism murdered about 90 million people in the 20th century.

    I’m not talking about people killed in war. There were systems of slave labor in these countries. For civilians. They were called Gulags, or ‘Re-education camps’. Read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s, “Gulag Archipelago.” Such camps exist right now in North Korea. Read, “Escape from Camp 14″ by Shin Dong-huyk http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/.....96913.html

    Now let’s do some math. Let’s take our figure of 80 million (Communist civilian deaths), and divide by two thousand (the KKK figure). I come up with a factor of 40,000. Thus I argue that Communism was 40,000 times more evil than the KKK ever was! That’s more than four orders of magnitude.

  • Mark Potok

    Jason, you really are an idiot. The Oath Keepers are quite active, in fact, as anyone who spends five minutes looking at news stories would know. I understand you’ve got a professional interest in dissing the very idea that these groups exist, but, really, you ought to take cognizance of reality from time to time. It’s great to live in the real world!

  • Gregory

    Jason, meet Dude. This should be interesting.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Oh you’re from the Oath Keepers? That’s great, maybe you can explain why you guys weren’t so loud during the Bush era, and why you found it so much more likely that Obama would issue “unconstitutional orders.” I’m sure you can provide us with some third-party confirmation of your actions during the Bush administration. Also, were you aware that the US Constitution leaves the responsibility of determining the constitutionality of laws up to the Supreme Court, and not military personnel?

  • Dude…. really?

    I’m an Oath Keeper and this article is complete B.S.

    No such warning was issued, at all, ever. This article stems from a forum post inside the OathKeeper’s website. Some of the more conspiracy minded folks (a small minority that we rarely tolerate) brought it up. Most of us called B.S. from the outset.

    We expect more from you guys at the SPLC.

  • Reynardine

    Flex, she does seem to be having a psychotic break.

  • Flex

    Kate,

    take your meds….

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    The words of Gorbachev are pretty much worthless; the man has been delusional for years.

  • IludiumPhosdex

    In case we’ve forgotten World War II history, let’s not forget that the then-Soviet Union was on the Allied side, alongside the Americans, British and French, in opposition to the Fascist/Nazi cause (cf. Nazi propaganda about the danger of “Bolshievism”, an early code word for Communism).

    That the Soviets had a judge on the same judicial panel as the aforementioned Allies at the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal of 1945-46.

    And that the Soviets were among the Four Allied Powers of Occupation in postwar Germany until the formal partition into sovereign West Germany (the former American, British and French Zones) and East Germany (the former Soviet Zone) in 1949, with a similar status in a divided Berlin, then inside East Germany and technically something of a state unto itself; eventually to be reunified as one on October 3, 1990.

  • Reynardine

    All this stuff is making me want to hunt up some more Leonid Kharitonov videos on Youtube, and maybe Yevgenii Belyaev.

  • Reynardine

    Dammit, Ruslan, at least they taught him to spell F-U-K right (I hope) (wonder if prudish mods will strike again)

  • Reynardine

    Aron: see Nile

  • Shadow Wolf

    Irony.
    Speaking of “Russians”. Former USSR(CCCP) President Mikhail Gorbachev, was in Phoenix last Saturday, giving an educational presentation on “Global leadership”(ka-ching!), Political Freedoms, and Free Enterprise. The guy made some valid points, including admitting that the fall of the Soviet Union was a collaboration between the Nations, and thus was not a “Western” victory alone:

    http://www.azcentral.com/commu.....peech.html

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “never EVER underestimate Russia & never, EVER trust them ir this admin. who so said they would & hsve started disarming the U.S.whike Rusdia us arming themselves still. ”
    Huh? It was the USSR which offered unilateral disarmament only in return for stopping the SDI(Star Wars) program, you know, the one which didn’t work and cost the US billions? Russia has increased its defense budget recently but it is still far below that of the US.

    ” Know your history they dont want u to know in the mainstream, alphabet media or your publik skool, comrades.”

    What non-public school taught you to write that way? We also can clearly see that they did not teach you history better than any public school would have.

    ” If BO could & has appointed Muslim.Brotherhood members to our security positions (thsts true, too) ”

    So you’re claiming that Barack Obama has appointed members of the Muslim Brotherhood to “security” positions? Ok, LET’S HAVE SOME NAMES, AND POSITIONS, PLEASE! Remember, you said “thats(sic) true, too).

    “why is this far-fetched?”

    Because anyone with a tiny understanding of Russia and Russian politics would see it as absolutely absurd.

  • http://twitter.com/AronL Aron

    Rey,

    You’ve used that Nile reference a couple times now, and you’ll have to forgive me as it seems to have overflown my rather large head.

    Might I bother you for an explanation? I rather like the quote, and I would simply like to know from whence it came.

  • Sam Molloy

    Red Dawn is great, until you wonder what they want with Colorado.

  • Jason Smith

    A.D.M.

    Try again. When you do a Google search you must make judicious use of quotations and +/- sign for keywords. The first 100 hits you got were probably for stories like the above. The next 2.59 million hits you got were probably for the individual words “oath” and “keepers” and variations.

    Next step. Of those organizations, none have significant funding or membership. You must do more research. Think logically. An organization must have a few million dollars and many thousands members realistically just to start. None of these do. No one can point to me any group that is nothing more than one guy with a website and a PO box. dollars.

  • Reynardine

    ADM: Someone on that committee might have pressed a button or two, but it doesn’t mean it was the one who is being Jason now.

    Don’t expect to straighten this out soon, though. The committee left a sign on their door:

    WENT TO SEE NILE, OUT TO LUNCH INDEFINITELY (NOT ENOUGH SANDWICHES FOR PICNIC)

  • A.D.M.

    Jason, are you sure you did that Google search of Oath Keepers? I just did and I got 2,590,000 hits. Try again.

  • Gregory

    Nothing brings out the crazy like Red Dawn scenarios.

  • MORENIYENKO

    Wait.. I know who!!!! Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets!!!!

  • MORENIYENKO

    Trust me.. Russians don’t want to police America. They already have problems on their eastern front with China. The Russian land mass is way under populated as it is. China who is over populated, would love to get their hands on some sparcely populated Russia territory. One world government… what a joke!!! The EU can barely keep itself together and the united nations couldn’t control G.W. Bush… If the UN can’t maintain order, what other known organization can?

  • CriticalDragon1177

    Ryan Lenz,

    Has Alex Jones picked up on this yet? Knowing him he probably does think its the New World Order. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if he peddle this on his show.

  • Jason Smith

    If you type in a Google search “Join the Oath Keepers”, you will not come up with anything legit. You’ll find a couple of blogs, but nothing like an official organization with hundreds of thousands of members.

    I did this as an experiment on Google to test the main thesis of the above story. My conclusion is there really is no “Oath Keeper” movement; nothing maybe beyond a couple of guys with a website and a P.O. box, and they’re probably FBI agent provocateurs. Can’t the SPLC researchers come up with something hard and real and honed into a real, real organization? I mean, like hundreds of thousands of arm band wearing Nazis marching with torches like in the movies? No, they can’t. Because it doesn’t exist.

  • Matthew Bright

    When did fealty to the likes of that hag, Ayn Rand, become synonymous with old fashioned patriotism and American virtue with these people?

    It’s like a tsunami of stupidity, dishonesty and pathological paranoia – it’s just endless.

  • kate

    Just because u r paranoid does not mean they arent after you. Oath keepers may/may not be right, but as a person who grew up in Colorado Springs, during tbe Cold War closr to N.O.R.A.D. as is Ft Carson as well as a student of history & poltitiwars. .never EVER underestimate Russia & never, EVER trust them ir this admin. who so said they would & hsve started disarming the U.S.whike Rusdia us arming themselves still. Now, I dont think 4 one min.the blind & deaf of u will believe it but its there, its been reported on its a natural conclusion we r screwed. Know your history they dont want u to know in the mainstream, alphabet media or your publik skool, comrades. If BO could & has appointed Muslim.Brotherhood members to our security positions (thsts true, too) why is this far-fetched?

  • Gunnar

    No offense, but this article is a little bit of bull$hit. Not that we don’t deserve to have foreign troops on our soil, considering our military presence overseas, it just makes karmic sense, but to welcome it…is not a wise idea. I remember when “New World Order” used to be conspiracy theory. Now politicians the world over are calling for just that. Perhaps those crazy patriots ought to be given a moment of our time?

  • http://www.thewanderinggringo.com Randy

    You would think that after crying “wolf” so many times that people would stop listening to them. The bad thing about these groups is that they are impressing young minds with their paranoia to insure that this fringe thinking survives into the next generation.

  • Kavak

    I thought for a second this was going to be about that goddamn remake that’s been in development for years.

  • Gregory

    I have to wonder, who are they trying to convince? From my reading, it sounds as though they are trying to convince themselves, because no sane individual is going to believe this dusty old nonsense. It was crap 50 years ago and age has not improved its bouquet.

  • Reynardine

    I remember hearing this same noise over half a century ago when Ed Sullivan had the Moiseyev Ensemble on his show. What can I say about the Oath Keepers? “Went to see Nile, out to lunch for good.”