Comments on: ‘Survivalist’ Suspected of Killing Family Found Dead in Bunker http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-445569 Reynardine Thu, 03 May 2012 13:54:38 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-445569 Gregory, I am aware of the quantities of inbreeders, and they’re not romantic. But I was born in Chicago and lived in Manhattan and Brooklyn, and spent most of my life in Dade County, whose character was transformed many times over. Cities are great when you’re young. I’m not.

]]> By: man http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-445496 man Thu, 03 May 2012 11:55:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-445496 people need to understand the distinctions between surviving adversity and going out in a blaze of glory. The two practices don’t seem very compatible to me, so they should not be confused with one another.

]]> By: Gregory http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-445129 Gregory Thu, 03 May 2012 01:49:53 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-445129 Reynardine,
Not that it matters for this discussion, but I have resided in rural areas on three different continents, as a child and as an adult. Some were extremely remote and sparsely populated. I’m an urban dweller now, by choice, free of any romantic notions of country life.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-444970 Reynardine Wed, 02 May 2012 21:39:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-444970 Golden Rule, what hot chicks? The older strains of Rhode Island Red and New Hampshire Red actually do well in this heat, but I never noticed any one kind being hotter than any other kind. For eggs and for brooding, though, nothing beats the original Cracker strain.

Gregory, I haven’t got *all* these skills, but it sounds as if you’ve never lived outside a city. No, I haven’t got rounds and rounds of anything, and I can’t hit the broad side of a barn. I’m just saying there is good reason to know how to be self-sufficient up to several weeks. In 2004, we were knocked out by hurricanes for six weeks, but at least we had a lot better than the survivors of Katrina. With (p)Rick Scott in office, we might not be.

]]> By: Golden Rule http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-444749 Golden Rule Wed, 02 May 2012 15:18:08 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-444749 Flori-duh? I resemble that remark. So, the survivalists get all the really hot chicks, WoW, that’s good to know, I wonder if these hot chicks like bunkers? Oh man, now I have to start working on that project…

]]> By: Gregory http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443890 Gregory Tue, 01 May 2012 15:12:13 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443890 Rey,
I’m curious, what part of my comment about “prudent” preparations necessitated a lecture? I admire your range of skills, but most of the country lives in a situation where the Firefox books are of little practical use.

Presumably you haven’t stockpiled thousands of rounds of ammunition and acquired enough firearms to equip a platoon just yet, like the “survivalist” under discussion. On the other hand, you have mentioned that you reside in Flori-duh, so it may be a bit more like Mad Max than my part of the country.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443547 Reynardine Tue, 01 May 2012 04:17:08 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443547 Well, no, Gregory, we already have stuff going on. For example, if you want decent, affordable fruits and vegetables that haven’t been shot full of chemicals, mutant centipede genes, and fecal coliform bacteria, you’d better learn how to grow them. If you want eggs from healthy chickens that aren’t stuffed into cages full of salmonella, a couple of backyard chickens aren’t a bad idea. If you want to have this stuff in good condition even if weird weather and crumbling infrastructure knocks your power out, learn how to can and pickle. Know how to make repairs, restore furniture, and refurbish clothes, and you’re ahead of the game. Everyone should have first aid supplies and some knowledge of how to use them. Although I practice the arts only sporadically, I can bake bread and make wine, and some of the latter has been good enough people have asked me to take up shining (but I didn’t). I can stick it out through multiple hurricanes better than most people, and if things went blooey over a stretch, I could probably teach it to other people. I don’t expect things to go blooey, but they could. And now, I must feed my alarm clock, since he’ll have to wake us up first thing.

]]> By: Jane Schiff http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443544 Jane Schiff Tue, 01 May 2012 04:14:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443544 I’m curious if this guy complied with filing income tax returns, assuming he met the financial requirements for filing.

]]> By: Gregory http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443356 Gregory Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:55:23 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443356 “Survivalist” mentality does not refer to someone who is prudently prepared for the kind of disasters that we might reasonably face as a highly industrialized society. Generally speaking, a survivalist is someone who harbours fantasies of our society collapsing into a Mad Max type dystopia, where they will fight heroically and get the hot chicks. It is, simply put, an adolescent fantasy.

]]> By: Aron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443245 Aron Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:40:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443245 Rey,

Forgive me if my writing was unclear. I was hardly calling his survivalist interests insane. I was calling the clear mental illness that drove him to murder his wife, daughter, cat, and dog insanity.

Survivalism doesn’t kill people. Insanity with a side order of survivalism does.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443224 Reynardine Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:19:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443224 Aron, you may have the cart before the horse. He wasn’t a murdering paranoid because he was a survivalist. He became a survivalist because he was a murderous paranoid.

In the broad sense, a survivalist could be someone who believes in, say, windmills, vegetable gardening and poultry-raising (food self-sustainability), well water, and acquiring a number of skills taught by Scouts, both boy and girl. Such a person could even be a “pot-hunter” who supplies the family larder with good marksmanship and not be a misanthropic loonytune. There are many such people who are pleasant, sociable, and no danger to their neighbors…but the mode of life also attracts the violently paranoid, whose derangement makes them a danger to their family members, their communities, and humanity at large. Often, their will towards body-and-soul control of their “tribe” causes them to establish “fortress” households so isolated from the outside world that no one can see in to monitor or get out to tell. This man was one of that kind.

]]> By: WGBlomberg http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443200 WGBlomberg Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:43:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443200 “Survivalist Mentality”. What exactly does THAT mean??

I would think that anyone that wants to live, has a “survivalist mentality”. Or, are they meaning the type that will prepare for emergencies? Again, there are lots of people like that, myself included, and including anyone here that has extra supplies cached about in case of an emergency.

This story is just starting, and there is much more to it then has been posted/reported so far, but this type of media hype (though, that information came from the local law enforcement, I believe) is probably going to do more harm then good.

]]> By: Aron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/survivalist-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/comment-page-1/#comment-443185 Aron Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:25:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/30/%e2%80%98survivalist%e2%80%99-suspected-of-killing-family-found-dead-in-bunker/#comment-443185 Cue the moonbats letting out cries of ‘THE GUBBERMINT DID IT!!!’

What a terrible, terrible shame. His family should NOT have suffered for his insanity. Shameful.

And then he took the coward’s way out. Either stand for your beliefs and accept punishment, or die trying.

At least this way there was no further loss of life to add to the tragedy.

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