Sorry if my pasting bothers you so much. I will refrain from doing so in the future to allow you to have a better day.

As for your comment towards me I will also let that roll off. Funny how you attack me directly even though I have not offended you at all.

You are forgiven for your ignorance.

Do you people at the SPLC consider Hatetrackers to have been a credible source of information or not?

Dyer had specifically been prosecuted for Sedition due to his opposition to several Patriot Act policies and his vehement objections to several issues surrounding the war in Iraq. If you look at most of the posts here from people claiming to represent the Oathkeeper organization, the vast majority appear to be making claims of disassociation with Dyer due to his political views being more independent. An examination of comments on several related Youtube channels indicates that although several of the people associated with Oathkeepers and Tea Party disagreed with Dyer’s political statements, they feel that he got railroaded on the child rape charges.

He has maintained that the rape allegations were false, and the actions of a vindictive ex-wife in the midst of a hostile divorce proceeding. A site with a similar name as this one “Hatetrackers” instead of “Hatewatch” constantly ran articles against Dyer prior to that site being taken down when it turned out the publisher, James Vincent Nix, was actively engaged in a number of fraud related crimes while implying to have connections with this organization (SPLC) (as reported in local news out of Oklahoma).

I would like to know if Hatewatch and Hatetrackers have had any history of collaboration in research, investigation, or referencing each other’s articles, or if the SPLC has an history of employing James Nix or financially rewarding his efforts.

Part of the “conspiracy theories” in other forums include speculation on whether or not James Nix (Hatetrackers) was employed by Hatewatch (SPLC) to assist in coaching Dyer’s ex-wife in making her improved version of “he raped the child” allegations which had initially been dismissed as false upon the initial investigation, and then as Dyer’s situation became more politicized, the prosecution moved forward with the rape charges.

This case has looked from the beginning like this guy was accused of having objectionable political views and then convicted of rape because of it, when the rape case alone had very little to stand on and previous sedition charges over his political views were determined by a court martial to narrowly fall within the confines of free speech.

There was no prior history of any similar allegation from other people, no evidence of a fascination with child sex (like kiddie porn or related literature, fantasy stories, ect), DNA evidence was either negative or inconclusive, no history of sexual misconduct on his side of the family.

Veterans tend to forget, quite often, that we are not the only warriors. We fight because of orders. I am not aware of any unjust wards. I was not aware of the DHS obtaining the Coast Guard. I thought the Coast Guard was still the Department of Transportation. Enlisted men and women often find themselves only worried about what is in front of them. We don’t watch the news, cut into our beer drinking time.

I am sure you and others fought and lost, same as we did. Thank you for that. There’s a reason why we fight, it would be far worse if we didn’t.

Now, since my prior post never got there, I will state that

Whether I am man or woman
Whether I am brute or human
Or even Ghoul-

is, at my age, immaterial to me and rightly to everyone else.

(My thanks to Edward Lear)

A beautiful vista when I knew it, but Texas, God love it, can be difficult.

The man was convicted and deserves more than he go; his daugher will live forever with the memory of this diaster.

Now if we could only get the same justice standards applied to those on the left who are openly violating our laws, starting with MANY in the present Adminstration!

“Ok so if there is no insurgency why would the US government just order the military to disarm people, blockade cities, and bring in foreign peacekeepers?”

What are you talking about now? What is your point?

During Katrina, police and military went house to house, without warrants, without due process, and took people’s firearms from them when they had committed no crime. This was well documented on mainstream news media.

During Katrina, people were not allowed to leave the city, but were forced to stay in the Superdome under horrible conditions. This too was all over the news.

This is not paranoia. We watched it happen.

And even if it was, then the same accusation could be made about our founders who refused to ratify the Constitution until the Bill of Rights was added. Thank God THEY were paranoid enough to insist on spelling those things out beforehand, or we wouldn’t even have a Bill of Rights.

I think I’m done here. I don’t know if I will bother to come back and see any replies. I’m not going to play these stupid little hypothetical games anymore.

Where were we when Patriot Act passed? I was caught up in flag-waving hysteria, like almost everyone else. The Katrina fiasco was probably more significant in waking more of us up to the problem. I really didn’t start researching any of this in a serious way until early 2007. Why? Because that’s when the election cycle began, and I started paying more attention. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with Obama, whose name I hadn’t even HEARD of at that time.

So if someone wants to have the last word, and still insist that we’re all racists because we didn’t start organizing until 2007, I will not dignify it with any more responses. You’ve obviously made up your minds, and no amount of Truth is going to change it.

Some people have alluded to certain orders, which I can’t discuss here. What I am saying is that those who don’t know how things work could find themselves on the wrong side of a putsch.

You appear deserving of courtesy and attention. This Stammtisch has been crashed by those who did not, including one who recently deteriorated from being a simple lunatic into a necrosadistic corpse-flogger.

I think anyone on this forum is open to honest debate, but we have had too many virtual riots carried out by verbal Brown Shirts.

Blockading cities – too many back roads; they have a hard enough time keeping up with America’s Most Wanted. Not so much.

Disarming people – see above.

You’re making it very hard for me to post a good argument. I said forget about the hypotheticals and that’s all I’m being left with.

Is that why people resort to name calling?

Maybe we just want a cool boys club?

It’s obvious I am not going to convince you. I’m not really trying. The child molestor above is a bad example of an Oath Keeper, bad, bad example. I can say that you have these predators in all forms of local, municipal, county, state, and federal government. Teachers, military men/women, priests. Does that mean that the entire Catholic Church is bad? Pedophiles are everywhere, unfortunately, this one makes us look bad. I see that.

You know, we let Steven Seagal be a part time Sheriff’s Deputy in Louisiana. Can I be an Oath Keeper?

I am a veteran, not proud of many things in my life but I am proud of my service, and my children, and my wife. :)

You sound like a good lawyer who knows her facts, but I can’t show you any facts. Field orders are not made public. So, since I can’t prove my assertions, I will regress.

Oath keepers serve a purpose, as do attorneys and their paralegals. Thank you ma’am.

We still don’t need to resort to name calling. If you’re going to call me a name, please use more than 3 syllables. Although I do like the rabid poisonous badger remark. I liken them to racists of all shapes and sizes.

I will look those people up.

In short – I like it. I believe people should get as good as they give. If you can’t take a lick, don’t give it.

I also see a lot of hypotheticals. Mr. Amirkhanov makes very good points…however, as I said, martial law was not “legally / officially” declared. However, war was never officially declared in Korea either. But if you ask my uncles and my father (if he was still alive) that’s what they’re going to call it.

I work in the law and too many times we rely on what is official – on paper – and that works in court – but this isn’t court. This is life, and the 82nd Airborne who was on the ground in NOLA, confisgated firearms. And not from gang bangers.

Forgive me for being drawn out. My son is having issues at this school, during the school year of course, and now I am looking at finding a private school for him to attend, because the administration (and my wife works for this district) refuse to admit they have no control over their gang population. But the scar on my son’s head tells a different story. And the best was when the principal admitted that there was “no feces being smeared in the hallway.” Well then why if your custodian cleaning it?

But if you go to the school board, there is not mention of it in the records. So guess what? It didn’t happen.

That is why hypotheticals don’t work, because things happen. It happened. It can happen again. What’s wrong with vocally speaking out against it?

and, sweetie, i do have a hard time believing that you were actually in the military – i’m pretty sure that if you were you’d realize that the department of homeland security includes the united states coast guard which is one of the five american armed services..

And the reason I called the above poster an ‘idiot,’ is because I simply doubt he would understand a reasoned debate. He has copied and pasted two comments so far. That simply proves he lacks the ability to form arguments on his own.

Also, I absolutely appreciate your attempt at civility. I was once like you, and if you go back and read my comments from two years ago, when I first came here, you’ll see I was once a fairly civil commenter, too. But then I realized there’s no civility when arguing with the equivalent of a rabid, poisonous badger. And that’s when I realized I would mix in some old fashioned — and dare I say quite satisfying — contempt for many of my opponents. (Look up Jason Smith if you’d like an example. Or even better Funinsnow!)

I will do my best to return your civility, as you have proven yourself as a generally stand-up guy. For your colleagues, I sadly can make no promises.

(Oh, and for the record, I wasn’t bullied in high school. I just don’t suffer fools all that lightly.)

So suppose that an armed insurgency breaks out in the US.

I said, “ordered to violate the rights of the citizenry.” Is there a “right” to “an armed insurgency” in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that I don’t know about? Please enlighten me.

Article 1, Section 8 clearly states that Congress has the power “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;”

You know very well that the Oath Keeper’s promise not to disarm the American people is NOT talking about criminals running around SHOOTING their guns. You aren’t that stupid, and neither are we.

What I am saying is that by the time anyone in the US government would even consider declaring martial law or using the US military in a domestic role, there would already have to be a serious conflict beyond that which local/federal police forces could handle. In such a situation, it would be ludicrous to expect the US military to sit on its hands and let the country fall apart.