Comments on: Racist Skinhead Flattened by Man He Attacked Goes to Prison http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:41:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sassha Ling http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-760225 Sassha Ling Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:09:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-760225 Daren Christopher Abbey got just what he deserved. I was being stalked by this asshole for over 5 years and now I have a real name to go with a face of my horror.. Thank You Mister Marlon L Baker for giving me a name to my horror and giving me a reason to return to my life and allow me to live again (hank You again I just wish I could Met my hero and savor. Daren Christopher Abbey got just what he deserved. I was being stalked by this asshole for over 5 years and now I have a real name to go with a face of my horror..

Thank You Mister Marlon L Baker for giving me a name to my horror and giving me a reason to return to my life and allow me to live again (hank You again I just wish I could Met my hero and savor.

]]> By: Benjy http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486619 Benjy Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:56:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486619 It is sad that the convicted felon has had no reason, prior to his most recent sentencing, to become more aware of the consequences of his choices and of his racist behavior. Everything he seems to have been esxposed to has resulted in his being "knocked out" of commission and not viewed as normal. I do believe that thjose of us who believe in human nature, at its best & equality of all, will look forward to our being better towards one another, in the long run and hope more will follow the same path!!! It is sad that the convicted felon has had no reason, prior to his most recent sentencing, to become more aware of the consequences of his choices and of his racist behavior. Everything he seems to have been esxposed to has resulted in his being “knocked out” of commission and not viewed as normal. I do believe that thjose of us who believe in human nature, at its best & equality of all, will look forward to our being better towards one another, in the long run and hope more will follow the same path!!!

]]> By: Joseph http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486618 Joseph Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:54:43 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486618 Hence my theory that psychosis breeds hate. I know a Utopian society only exists in books. But we can teach our children better than that individual was taught. Change begins in the mirror, that's fact. You're always going to have predators. Which is why sheepdogs exist. I know, a bit cliche', you don't have to tell me, but I really, really am a real boy. Fact of the matter is not everyone takes their medication. And if you let it go on long enough, you end up with the 3rd Reich with dreams of a big, tall, strong, blue eyed, blonde haired, master race, begun by a short man with little dark beedy eyes, and black hair, suggestive of a long line of colorful ancestors that are not from Scandinavia. Reminds me of that Dave Chappell skit with the blind, black, white supremicist. It's not the crazy ones we have to worry about, it's the ones they make sense to. Which is why I have to teach my children to be leaders, and not followers, among other things. Now, if we are ALL leaders, who's gonna follow us? Hence my theory that psychosis breeds hate. I know a Utopian society only exists in books. But we can teach our children better than that individual was taught. Change begins in the mirror, that’s fact.

You’re always going to have predators. Which is why sheepdogs exist. I know, a bit cliche’, you don’t have to tell me, but I really, really am a real boy.

Fact of the matter is not everyone takes their medication. And if you let it go on long enough, you end up with the 3rd Reich with dreams of a big, tall, strong, blue eyed, blonde haired, master race, begun by a short man with little dark beedy eyes, and black hair, suggestive of a long line of colorful ancestors that are not from Scandinavia.

Reminds me of that Dave Chappell skit with the blind, black, white supremicist. It’s not the crazy ones we have to worry about, it’s the ones they make sense to. Which is why I have to teach my children to be leaders, and not followers, among other things.

Now, if we are ALL leaders, who’s gonna follow us?

]]> By: Ramp Strike http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486559 Ramp Strike Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:23:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486559 Sure prisons work, because when the convicts are serving their sentence after receiving all the due process they are entitled to in a Constitutional democracy, they have only each other to prey on, instead of usually hapless, though not in this case, law-abiding citizens. Unfortunately, they eventually get out, usually the worse for the wear, but that's the price we pay for living in largely chaotic societies with some of the most reliably unreliable organisms around, other humans. I'm a little more concerned about the mindset that claims we can raise a utopian, well-behaved society by starting indoctrination in a particular mindset as early as possible. That's far more insidious and Orwellian than an open justice system. It also fails to address that some people just ain't wired right, for whatever reason. Sure prisons work, because when the convicts are serving their sentence after receiving all the due process they are entitled to in a Constitutional democracy, they have only each other to prey on, instead of usually hapless, though not in this case, law-abiding citizens. Unfortunately, they eventually get out, usually the worse for the wear, but that’s the price we pay for living in largely chaotic societies with some of the most reliably unreliable organisms around, other humans.

I’m a little more concerned about the mindset that claims we can raise a utopian, well-behaved society by starting indoctrination in a particular mindset as early as possible. That’s far more insidious and Orwellian than an open justice system. It also fails to address that some people just ain’t wired right, for whatever reason.

]]> By: Tobias A. Weissman http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486539 Tobias A. Weissman Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:00:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486539 This and every country in the world has prisons. Do they work? NO! the proof is that in all of the history of mankind, prisons have not worked. In fact Criminals more than ever, come out worse than ever. Thought is the main thing to change. In back of every crime committed in this and every other country, the thought comes first, then the action. Hatefull thoughts that Daren C. Abbey has, had to be learned before he had committed his racial acts. We must have a system that corrects those thoughts. Encarceration will never solve the problem. But teaching of the Love that God has for his creation, that God does not punish, but lifts man's thinking above the sod, will. I have witnessed it more than a dozen times. I am a Chistian Scientist. All I am asking, is to look into it. This and every country in the world has prisons. Do they work? NO! the proof is that in all of the history of mankind, prisons have not worked. In fact Criminals more than ever, come out worse than ever. Thought is the main thing to change. In back of every crime committed in this and every other country, the thought comes first, then the action. Hatefull thoughts that Daren C. Abbey has, had to be learned before he had committed his racial acts. We must have a system that corrects those thoughts. Encarceration will never solve the problem. But teaching of the Love that God has for his creation, that God does not punish, but lifts man’s thinking above the sod, will. I have witnessed it more than a dozen times. I am a Chistian Scientist. All I am asking, is to look into it.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486515 Joseph Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:22:57 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486515 Grumbler - that was a nice, well articulated statement. I think it is harder to "unlearn" something than to teach it in the first place. Which is why I'm so stuck on how we raise our children. As much as I would like to say this man can be saved, that's not my job, my job is to make sure my children do not become like him. I like your ideas, but I think it starts in our homes, not us in his home. His home is already full of hate. We can talke him out of it at the bar, but he still has to go home. But we can however change our homes, and keep them in due bounds with all mankind. Again, I like your idea, I was there when I was an 18 year old revolutionary, but then I became a 19 yeard old Sailor, a subsequent 29 year old unemployed ex-Sailor, and then...a 30 year old mortgage banking paralegal. I don't think that we can fix him, I think our society will always be intertwined with haters - because we will always have a problem with Psychotics - and I'm not an M.D. But we can fix our own homes. Grumbler – that was a nice, well articulated statement. I think it is harder to “unlearn” something than to teach it in the first place. Which is why I’m so stuck on how we raise our children. As much as I would like to say this man can be saved, that’s not my job, my job is to make sure my children do not become like him.

I like your ideas, but I think it starts in our homes, not us in his home. His home is already full of hate. We can talke him out of it at the bar, but he still has to go home. But we can however change our homes, and keep them in due bounds with all mankind.

Again, I like your idea, I was there when I was an 18 year old revolutionary, but then I became a 19 yeard old Sailor, a subsequent 29 year old unemployed ex-Sailor, and then…a 30 year old mortgage banking paralegal.

I don’t think that we can fix him, I think our society will always be intertwined with haters – because we will always have a problem with Psychotics – and I’m not an M.D. But we can fix our own homes.

]]> By: Peter Hockley http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486408 Peter Hockley Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:40:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486408 We've got one word for guys like this in The UK, TWAT! We’ve got one word for guys like this in The UK, TWAT!

]]> By: Linnea http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486061 Linnea Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:51:09 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486061 Payback's a real female dog, isn't it? Payback’s a real female dog, isn’t it?

]]> By: Grumbler http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-486040 Grumbler Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:07:34 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-486040 I don't know. Of course he got what he deserved. Of course he must receive punishment for his violent criminal behavior. But I can't gloat. He is a walking tragedy. If I were a gambling man, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he is mentally ill, perhaps insane. The metal plates say brain injury, and that the violence took place while he was drinking tells me alcohol is one known poison aggravating his situation. Otherwise how to explain such evil! I don't believe the devil made him do it. If I understand correctly, this man has been incarcerated at least several times. This says to me -- reminds me -- our prisons are breeding grounds for racial hatred and training grounds for criminal activities of several kinds, including violent crimes and drug abuse of every imaginable sort. Our prison systems need overhauling, as do our schools and educational standards. It is virtually impossible for functional illiterates to earn a living wage. The prospects are worse for illiterate ex-convicts, worse still for illiterate ex-felons, and virtually non-existent for illiterate ex-felons who have covered themselves with scary tattoos that denote gang membership, racism, and the threat of violence against anyone who looks upon them. How does one survive without food or money! Traditionally one turns (back) to crime. Does a man pull his ass out of a ditch on the Sabbath? The Law says no; but I say---- Mr. Abbey is definitely as ass. His actions and attitudes are odious. He has jumped into a ditch and bleats in agony and frustration for the utter mess he has made for himself, for the trap he has willingly but stupidly stepped into, and for the utter hopelessness of his life. He has not the grace -- yet -- to seek a better way, a way out. He is unapologetic. The question in my mind is, do we as a society seek to rehabilitate Mr. Abbey, show him how to clean up his act, how to get himself unstuck, to convince him his attitudes are his problem; or do we condemn him to a life stuck in a ditch and condemn ourselves and our loved ones to be victims of his hatred sometime in the future when he is released from prison. If nothing much changes in prisons, while serving his sentence Mr. Abbey’s hatred and violence as a way of life will be reinforced, redoubled, and exacerbated. I realize this is a hard case. I realize not everyone can be rehabilitated. But if we as a society don't correct our course when it comes to prisons and schools, we are headed for a future of asses in ditches -- for disaster forever stuck in disaster. Does our society pull our ass out of a ditch ever? The Law says no. But I say---- I don’t know. Of course he got what he deserved. Of course he must receive punishment for his violent criminal behavior. But I can’t gloat. He is a walking tragedy. If I were a gambling man, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts he is mentally ill, perhaps insane. The metal plates say brain injury, and that the violence took place while he was drinking tells me alcohol is one known poison aggravating his situation. Otherwise how to explain such evil! I don’t believe the devil made him do it.
If I understand correctly, this man has been incarcerated at least several times. This says to me — reminds me — our prisons are breeding grounds for racial hatred and training grounds for criminal activities of several kinds, including violent crimes and drug abuse of every imaginable sort. Our prison systems need overhauling, as do our schools and educational standards.
It is virtually impossible for functional illiterates to earn a living wage. The prospects are worse for illiterate ex-convicts, worse still for illiterate ex-felons, and virtually non-existent for illiterate ex-felons who have covered themselves with scary tattoos that denote gang membership, racism, and the threat of violence against anyone who looks upon them. How does one survive without food or money! Traditionally one turns (back) to crime.
Does a man pull his ass out of a ditch on the Sabbath? The Law says no; but I say—-
Mr. Abbey is definitely as ass. His actions and attitudes are odious. He has jumped into a ditch and bleats in agony and frustration for the utter mess he has made for himself, for the trap he has willingly but stupidly stepped into, and for the utter hopelessness of his life. He has not the grace — yet — to seek a better way, a way out. He is unapologetic.
The question in my mind is, do we as a society seek to rehabilitate Mr. Abbey, show him how to clean up his act, how to get himself unstuck, to convince him his attitudes are his problem; or do we condemn him to a life stuck in a ditch and condemn ourselves and our loved ones to be victims of his hatred sometime in the future when he is released from prison. If nothing much changes in prisons, while serving his sentence Mr. Abbey’s hatred and violence as a way of life will be reinforced, redoubled, and exacerbated.
I realize this is a hard case. I realize not everyone can be rehabilitated. But if we as a society don’t correct our course when it comes to prisons and schools, we are headed for a future of asses in ditches — for disaster forever stuck in disaster.
Does our society pull our ass out of a ditch ever? The Law says no.
But I say—-

]]> By: Verne C http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-485940 Verne C Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:29:19 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-485940 Oh you gotta love that judge!!! Sweet, sweet, sweet! This makes my day. Oh you gotta love that judge!!! Sweet, sweet, sweet! This makes my day.

]]> By: Herbert E. Larson http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-485938 Herbert E. Larson Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:28:15 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-485938 Where is a camera phone when you need one that had to be great, I do think he saw letters on the back of the jacket. He just could not read them it has not dented his white superiority only he goes after Latinos no more African Americans. Where is a camera phone when you need one that had to be great, I do think he saw letters on the back of the jacket. He just could not read them it has not dented his white superiority only he goes after Latinos no more African Americans.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-485860 Miguel Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:50:30 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-485860 This is the definition of schadenfreude. And yeah, I'll admit that I'm smiling. This is the definition of schadenfreude. And yeah, I’ll admit that I’m smiling.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-483811 Reynardine Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:26:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-483811 Yes, Sam, but they are clearly generating strange electromagnetic fields. Yes, Sam, but they are clearly generating strange electromagnetic fields.

]]> By: Sam Molloy http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-483528 Sam Molloy Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:53:31 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-483528 Those metal plates in his head insulate him from all the diversity propaganda broadcast by the space invaders. Those metal plates in his head insulate him from all the diversity propaganda broadcast by the space invaders.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-482051 Reynardine Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:26:03 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-482051 I wish they had somebody to look in on us goldfish over the weekend. I wish they had somebody to look in on us goldfish over the weekend.

]]> By: PhilipGreene http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-482027 PhilipGreene Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:38:53 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-482027 My heart skips a beat when these so-called "superior beings" find themselves on the receiving end of comeuppance. I had to laugh out loud at the defense attorney and his idiotic attempt at convincing the judge that the system was at fault and that Abbey truly had changed. The only thing Abbey is sorry about is that he chose the wrong person to try to bully and that he got put away for doing it. Any true change of heart and he would have tried to apologize to Baker and every other person of color he's offended or attacked. My heart skips a beat when these so-called “superior beings” find themselves on the receiving end of comeuppance. I had to laugh out loud at the defense attorney and his idiotic attempt at convincing the judge that the system was at fault and that Abbey truly had changed. The only thing Abbey is sorry about is that he chose the wrong person to try to bully and that he got put away for doing it. Any true change of heart and he would have tried to apologize to Baker and every other person of color he’s offended or attacked.

]]> By: ORAXX http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-481907 ORAXX Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:15:30 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-481907 About friggin' time. About friggin’ time.

]]> By: Bron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-480287 Bron Sat, 16 Jun 2012 04:03:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-480287 Hahaha. What Erika said. White supremacists must be so proud. Hahaha. What Erika said. White supremacists must be so proud.

]]> By: Shadow Wolf http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-480086 Shadow Wolf Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:47:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-480086 It doesn't make sense to impose a weak sentenced on a rabid racist hoodlum, who has a "lengthy criminal history", whose behavior patterns shows excessive violent intent, and wanton instigation for violence time and time again. He also has a very hard time following basic orders of the commanding officers in the incarceration complex. The bonehead is clearly a habitual criminal and a threat to the general public. It doesn’t make sense to impose a weak sentenced on a rabid racist hoodlum, who has a “lengthy criminal history”, whose behavior patterns shows excessive violent intent, and wanton instigation for violence time and time again. He also has a very hard time following basic orders of the commanding officers in the incarceration complex. The bonehead is clearly a habitual criminal and a threat to the general public.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-480033 Reynardine Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:23:46 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-480033 Well, Erika, if you restrict "superior" to its slang meaning of "stuck-up", the claim isn't far off. Well, Erika, if you restrict “superior” to its slang meaning of “stuck-up”, the claim isn’t far off.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-480024 Joseph Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:12:10 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-480024 LOL. He got knocked out. I wonder if that adversely affected his superiority complex. LOL. He got knocked out. I wonder if that adversely affected his superiority complex.

]]> By: Aron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-479994 Aron Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:36:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-479994 I wish there was some way to follow the ievitable hilarious hijinks in prison. What an ass. I wish there was some way to follow the ievitable hilarious hijinks in prison. What an ass.

]]> By: Erika http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/06/15/racist-skinhead-flattened-by-man-he-attacked-goes-to-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-479979 Erika Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:23:12 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9292#comment-479979 Dear Mr. Hill and The League of the South bozo - this is the type of person you are trying to claim is superior. Dear Mr. Hill and The League of the South bozo – this is the type of person you are trying to claim is superior.

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