Comments on: ‘Sovereign’ Tax Cheat Bilked Millions from Treasury; Gets 12 Years

By: matsimela muata

matsimela muata — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:07:30 +0000

I am confused as to understand how these people think that they dont need licence to driver down city street please post this facebook eddie lodge

By: bruce book

bruce book — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 06:35:08 +0000

To the person above who said it’s just a cover for good old fashioned greed–I might agree, based on this story alone–BUT-it you saw the 60 Minutes segment on the Sov Movement and the 2 Sovs that got pulled over for a traffic ticket in FL and proceeded to murder the Trooper with an automatic rifle from their van and then wound things up with a running gun batlle where they killed and wounded others before being killed themselves–this is more than greed–and, more, it’s probably already in a town near you.

By: Erika

Erika — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:29:25 +0000

Reynardine, right here – http://www.supremecourt.gov/op.....93c3a2.pdf

and having read the entire opinion, I don’t think there will be a lot of patriot scams coming – I can’t see the ACA surviving the Medicaid expansion ruling because its now completely unworkable

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:19:57 +0000

Erika, where can you download that? (Not real near law library)

By: Linnea

Linnea — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:00:21 +0000

Erika, I’d say not long at all. Cuing the Patriot/Sovereign nutcases in three… two… one…

By: Erika

Erika — Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:56:13 +0000

as I take a break from slogging through all 193 pages of the health care reform decision – I have to ask. now that the individual mandate and penalty has been upheld, how soon will it be untl we start hearing about Patriot/Sovereign Heath Insurance scams to try to avoid the tax penalty?

By: KMC

KMC — Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:28:58 +0000

Now here’s hoping that the IRS will also go after some of those CORPORATE CHEATERS AS WELL — like the Banksters who did BILLIONS in mortgage & property title fraud & THEN GOT BAILED OUT BY THEIR CONGRESSIONAL PUPPETS FOR BILLIONS, instead of helping the Main Streeters 99%!!

By: Joseph

Joseph — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:49:22 +0000

Yes ma’am. Makes sense to me.

By: Sam Molloy

Sam Molloy — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:12:12 +0000

I heard another theory that it’s not real money anyway, it’s only “Federal Reserve Notes”. There’s a reason for Jesus’ “render unto Caesar” quote. It’s not that Caesar is divine, it’s that it is a waste of your time on earth fighting over money, which, then and now, has no actual value.

By: Erika

Erika — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:37:40 +0000

Joseph, the easiest way to understand the sovereign citizens is to understand any other scammer or conartist – they are trying to get something for nothing. Scammers will latch onto anything which they believe will give them an edge or free money.

Quite simply, the political motive is cover for plain old fashioned greed

By: Joseph

Joseph — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:29:42 +0000

Sovereign Citizens are an interesting sort. We receive disputes from them on a daily basis, among my favorites: How can the bank loan money that has been loaned to them, and also money that does not exists since it is not based on the gold standard?

Funny – that didn’t stop you from borrowing the money did it? Didn’t affect you signing the Promissory Note did it?

I don’t get it the ideology. I read their origins. I can read English. And you should see the documents they file in the property records to cloud title. Wow.

They’ll file a lien on your property if they can get your address.

Funny how they use those courts and county clerks who don’t have any authority over them.

By: Aron

Aron — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:01:22 +0000

Supersonic,

The man who forwarded that quote to me is a former tutor (in the Oxfordian and Cantabridgian tradition) to myself, and a current tutor to ‘Bob.’

If Terry, easily the smartest man I’ve ever met (by a long shot) can’t persuade Ryan that his views may be a bit silly, no one can. I honestly believe what that idiot needs is a solid smack in the side of his head. (Considering one of his tactics involves accosting passers-by at the busiest intersection of Gainesville, FL with a megaphone, I think this occurrence may be a foregone conclusion.)

Also, I believe it goes without saying that he smokes enough marijuana to likely keep at least one of the Mexican cartels solvent for the year. Ryan’s pretty messed up.

By: Supersonic250

Supersonic250 — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:54:30 +0000

Here’s hoping you can dissuade him from his insane beliefs before he or someone else gets hurt. Good luck, Aron.

By: Aron

Aron — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:16:22 +0000

http://www.bobtuskin.com/

This is my friend Ryan Katz’s website. He goes by ‘Bob Tuskin,’ apparently. And he is now espousing sovereign rhetoric.

Another mutual friend sent me this pearl of wisdom from ‘Bob’s’ mouth:

‘Only slaves to the system carry their driver’s license with them when they drive.’

I sent him information from the SPLC regarding the Sovereign movement in response. Scary stuff.

By: Erika

Erika — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:21:13 +0000

My guess is that it is more like 100% fraud

By: Dan Zabetakis

Dan Zabetakis — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:41:24 +0000

I think there is a type of fraudster who gets psychiatrically caught up in his or her own fraud. The sovereign citizens seem to be this way, half-zealot, half-fraud.

Of course they become the perfect evangelist for their schemes since they are perfectly sincere. Unsophisticated victims can be drawn in (i.e Mason and Chung, the two Canadians).

The IRS will warn you off if you try any of the well-known tax frauds. But if you persist they will hammer you (as above). They have a really good web page listing the most popular frauds and the various penalties.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:42:24 +0000

Amazing, how this “sovereign” never seemed to espouse a philosophy he thought would make him poor.

By: Supersonic250

Supersonic250 — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:41:53 +0000

Nicely put, Joseph… I don’t pay taxes, being completely dependent at the moment, but once I’m out on my own, I plan to pay ‘em proper. It just baffles me what kinda bent head-space these people are in to think the rules don’t apply…

…Then again, everyone likes to think that they’re special little flowers who deserve special treatment now and then… The thing is that MOST people realize that’s WRONG and ignore the little voice in their heads.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:37:54 +0000

I used to work for a prominent Tax Defense Attorney in Houston when I got out of that Navy. I asked him if the IRS was legal. He told me:

“Joseph, any agency that can put in you prison is as legal as it needs to be.”

Very good litigator. I pay my taxes. And when I get a bill from them, I pay that too. :)