“Last June, an antigovernment “sovereign citizen,” whose family had chased police off their North Dakota farm with high-powered rifles, became the first American citizen to be arrested with the aid of such a device.”

this is not true, it is a debunked false report. see for example:

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What are they gonna do when there is no war?

No, Alex and Joseph. You won’t be like te founding fathers. The founding fathers were INFINITELY more intelligent than either of you clowns.

It’s a bird…it’s a plane…it’s an RC plane, for God’s sake. Dog-hunts are damned rare in this country, and if President Obama were going to hunt these guys down, I’m guessing he’s had three and a half years to do it in.

What an ego Mr. Farah must have.

The lack of critical thinking and reading skills in this country is why productive political debate is so difficult today. John – you attempted to refute a report about the use of a drone in the arrest of a violent man in North Dakota with an article proving that the EPA is not using drones to look for violations of environmental law on farms. One has nothing to do with another, The EPA is not using drones to enforce agricultural laws, but police in ND did use a drone to help protect law enforcement officers in executing an arrest warrant against an armed criminal.

john orange, the two incidents are not related in any way. The story you linked to was about the EPA utilizing drones, which is false, the incident in North Dakota did indeed involve drones.

Are these people self-important much?

When narcissism and paranoia meet (as is so often inevitable on the Right nowadays), it ain’t pretty — but it can be hilarious!

I just want to laugh at the fact that apparently Farah thinks that there would be no reason other than him why a military plane would be flying around the Washington, DC area – perhaps someone should get him a map shwoing the large number of military bases in teh area.

I just have this overwhelming urge to fly an RC plane over Farah’s home, and have it drop a leaflet that says, “You are surrounded by troops from the U.N. Agenda 21 Task Force. Your land, weapons, and apples are now U.N. property. Report to the nearest FEMA concentration camp for processing.”

C’mon, guys…. you maroons aren’t anywhere NEAR as significant or important as you think you are. Nobody’s spying on you or surveilling your property, because, frankly, nobody gives a fat rat’s rectum what you do, say, or think you saw.

If the people you’re wetting your pants over were one percent of what you claim they are, you’d have been in the ground for a couple of years now. Be glad you’re wrong, take it and go away quietly.

Well…considering the SPLC made recommendations to the police to be wary of libertarians as that they might be potential terrorists, and that this fact was leaked onto infowars.com, you will forgive me if I find Alex Jones a little more credible than the SPLC.

No Mr. Farah, you will not be hunted down. You will suffer a fate you fear the most. You will be marginalized.

Tin foil hats are in order for these two cats. . .

“We will be hunted down like dogs!”

Ummmm… where exactly does THAT happen? Such a tired old cliche’. And, if it is anything like what happens in my county/city, with the very limited numbers of animal control officers, you probably have nothing to worry about then in that case.

“We will be hunted down like dogs… on a work day… only Monday through Thursday… from 9am to 5om… with lunch taken… maybe… after they hunt down the other hundred or so dogs that have been turned in.”

“We will be hunted down like dogs.” I never understood that phrase when hunters use dogs to help with their hunting. You think he really meant “like hogs’? No pun intended – well almost, just a little bit.

Maybe he meant to say “If Obama is re-elected, we will be fished like – fish”. Being that our president really doesn’t care too much for guns, maybe he’ll go fishing for them.

Oh better yet, “If Obama is re-elected, we will be bounced, like a – basketball”. Yeah, there you go. Hunted with drones, and bounced like a basketball. Just trying to help them out here.

Gunnar said: “Well…considering the SPLC made recommendations to the police to be wary of libertarians as that they might be potential terrorists, and that this fact was leaked onto infowars.com, you will forgive me if I find Alex Jones a little more credible than the SPLC.”

You, sir, have won today’s idiot prize. Your reward is a lifetime supply of slaps upside the head. Do I really NEED to say how many different ways this post is not only wrong, but downright dumb?

Supersonic: the award is the Golden Hammerhead.

No, that is actually true. While it isn’t true that the EPA was involved in anyway, what happened was that there were a group of cattle rustlers being sought after by local law enforcement about 100 miles away from the air force base where Customs and Border Patrol keep their border-roving Reaper. The drone spotted the group from over two miles in the air.

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In this FEMA class……The founding fathers are labelled as terrorist. The men who brought us freedom, are now the devil. But for some reason……the idea that we are teaching federal workers, that founding fathers were terrorists is laughed at?? Its 2012…..kinda hard to call it “conspiracy” when you have video of the class.

Hey Joe, by some of their tactics, the Founding Fathers COULD be considered terroristic. If that offends you, I offer no apologies.

Joe — Where do you say that you saw this video? Were you on drugs or drunk at the time, because I really, really doubt that anyone involved in FEMA would have said anything LIKE that — unless they were discussing what some extremist group believes.

I have been involved in emergency preparedness planning and have worked with both public and private sector emergency planners at both the federal and state level, and I have never encountered anything like that. As a rule, emergency responders don’t express a lot of ideology — other than to say they don’t want situations in which people are hurt. For example, the emergency responders I know may be pro-choice or anti-choice — I don’t know — but I do know that ALL of them condemn the bombings or attempted bombings at reproductive health clinics that may or may not actually provide abortion services. They are against crimes like this is because they actually deal with the carnage such extremists cause.

So if you have something to share, please do so, but I highly doubt that trainers associated with FEMA are making the types of statements that you suggest.

Supersonic250: Gunnar has not responded yet but I would be interested to here your rebuttal to the truthful accusation that the SPLC has labeled libertarians as potential terrorists.

Reynardine: Ah, yeah… You’re right. Looks like Joe is a close runner up, too.

C Fargo, perhaps you have some evidence? Otherwise, kindly go away.

Supersonic: There are, of course, Silver and Bronze Hammerhead awards. I hope we don’t see the Platinum Hammerhead any time soon.

Actually, when I had three hunting dogs who liked to escape, I had to go on doghunts quite often. The dogs always won.

In fact, Fargo, it is more like certain terrorists have turned out to be libertarians, which is quite another thing. Certain terrorists have turned out to be Lutherans, redheads, hobby fishermen, or Koreans, also. If you became a terrorist, you would still remain whatever the Hell else you are.

C. Fargo: I run into the same issue as your question, the SPLC has labeled libertarians as potential terrorists.

That would be because individuals who share those ideals have resorted to violence in the past. In the military, we call that domestic terrorism.

Bottom line: You don’t hurt people. When you do, it’s called terrorism. (Do I need to name names?)

I’m having the same problem as a Veteran, Oath Keeper and Freemason. They say all kinds of things about people who carry the cards that I do. But I can’t argue with them. I can only affect the circle that is around me, and I hope that I affect those people positively.

Freedom loving people – need to ADMIT that true freedom extends to ALL PEOPLE. The FRONT PEOPLE of the Tea Party, Conservatives, Libertarians, and Oath Keepers for that matter needs to PUBLICLY DECRY Racisim, Hate, Violence, and anything else that would influence the SPLC to label them as Terrorists.

But do they do it? No. They let the violents people do what they do, but they don’t try to stop it.

The leaders suck! And they hang out with the wrong people, and they give people like me a bad rap.

My mom used to tell me, “tell me who you hang with and I’ll tell you who you are.” Guilty by association right?

They need to learn how to properly use the polls.

They need to stand up and say Hate is not apart of the fight against Socialism, and quit associating themselves with members of Hate / extremist groups, and if this is what you’re about then you need to stay your butt home.

They need to stop carrying guns in public, not because it’s their right, but because it’s stupid. What if a kid gets a hold of it??? I have guns but you won’t catch me humping them around in public, when you have unstable people in public groups.

Hell, people can’t operate a car property – you want to carry a loaded gun in the middle of a group of them?

And they need to stop, stop, stop – shooting at Cops and blowing up buildlings.

Then the SPLCLibertarians would not be classified with terrorists.

CORRECTION: Then the SPLC would not have a reason to classify Libertarians as terrorists.

CFargo: Proof or GTFO.

For crying out loud, nobody’s going to hunt them like dogs when Obama wins because they’ll slip back into the same grumbling irrelevance they have now. Some nice liberal might offer them some herbal tea and say simmer down son, your face is beet red. But that is only because we have kindess in our hearts for these poor dears. Has anyone properly determined the genesis of right wing paranoia? Where’s Ruslan when you need him?

Aadila, I hope Ruslan, for the nonce, has something more interesting and gratifying to do than try to straighten out Hammerheads, though it appears he rather enjoys doing that, sometimes.

Nobody going to straighten them out. They are more trouble than a twisted coathanger.

Aadlia, twisted coat hangers are very useful when people lock their keys in a car, or at least, they used to be. When I was in law school, I was so good at opening my fellow students’ car doors with them, I was called the Parking Lot Abortionist (nope- never did real ones)

What a bunch of nonsensical hogwash! Unfortunately. There are those who get suck into this crap. My prediction: Obama wins Re-election in November.

Joseph,

If every Oath Keeper was as reasonable, responsible and cogent as you then there would be solid ground on which real dialog could occur. Assuming, of course, I could get some of my friends on the left to give up spiking trees and holding useless protests.

Yes, there would still be sharp differences of opinions but at least they could occur without the hateful rhetoric currently being spewed by both sides.

I do not agree with birther nonsense. I am in fact Left of most of those who post here I suspect. On the other hand, I have a real problem with the use of drones on American territory. It should not be happening.

Reynolds Jones

You should ABSOLUTELY be concerned about the passage of HR 658 and the AUTHORIZED USE OF 30,000 DRONES OVER AMERICA!

Don’t trivialize their concerns about this law; it is a violation of our freedoms.

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SayitAgainSam:
…Take your medicine, bud. Those paranoid delusions aren’t gonna get any better without that lithium or valium or whatever.

Oh, please, HR658 doesn’t authorize massive domestic surveillance, it authorizes studies to determine what kinds of regs FAA needs to develop to maintain airspace safety given that all current regulations were designed for aircraft with pilots aboard. Any evidence of criminal activity detected via drone is inadmissible in court unless authorized by warrant.

I think that individuals like Joseph Farah is only finding fault with President Obama because he is black. I think Obama is doing a terrific job. See this simple example. Obama went after and got rid of the major terrorists in Alquida. Those who would destroy this country, if they could get it, with atom bombs. If he got the economy going, but left the terrorists till later, where would we be. DESTOYED! That’s where.

What’s all this dribble about librarians being terrorists? Drone on you dummies.

Barracks Hussein ALABAMA

RC airplanes. They’re going to get you.

Colton, you don’t even rank a Hammerhead lapel pin.

The other combinations are pretty deadly, but a full-skin labrusca white wine can be a dandy accompaniment to lamb, pork, or (when you can find it) baby beef. So are certain scuppernongs.

Colton, I’m pretty sure that the Bushies were out searching for what books people were checking out at the library – yet Farah had no problem with the Bushies. Why is that?

Incidentially, doesn’t Farah realize that they don’t need to use drones to spy on him? They have spy satellites which can do that sort of thing without detection

Erika, that would be no fun for anyone with grandiosity and delusions of reference. This way, he can trumpet his importance whenever some kid’s RC flies over his lot.

If spy satellites can’t arose sufficient paranoia in the paranoid there are always spies – hence, Mr. Farah should be careful of any beautiful young women he sees around Virginia.

And yes, he should be especially careful if he sees one wearing a Find Radiant Joy in Peach Bottom bikini ;)

Erika, you wouldn’t!

of course not!

thankfully I am not a spy

and even if I was, no one would care that much about Mr. Farah.

I am more concerned about Bush’s wanton destruction of the right of habeus corpus than I am the use of drones over U.S. airspace. Leave it to a Republican to undo the Magna Carta for being too radical.

Two bored little boys playing in the backyard letting their imaginations run free.

But could you imagine the assignment meeting:

To the first spy: “your assignment is to go to Monaco to gather intelligence on international arms dealers”

to the second spy: “your assignment is to go to the Cayman Islands to gather intelligence on money laundering”

to the third spy: “your assignment is to go to Geneva to also gather intelligence about money gathering”

to the fourth spy: “your assignment is to go to northern Virginia to spy on a paranoid guy who writes a website.”

Due to the arrival of superior contestants on other threads, Gunnar only gets the Bronze Hammerhead. The Lithium Hammerhead having been awarded to a better-qualified contender, SayItAgainSam gets the Tinfoil Hammerhat.

Time to hunt my dog down for his evening walk. Oh, and he’s a hunting dog, too.

Reyn, are you still trying to get that “Hammerheard” trophy business going…tsk…I know, this is no conspiracy, I know Hammerheads are “out there”…it’s code, isn’t it.?

I heard about this “Hammerhead” stuff all over the alternate universe of the 9th Dimension and now, Michelle Bachman is talking about it…gasp, she knows! Careful old boy, she knows where they keep the drones…I’m begging you, like Thumper to Bambi, Run, Reyn, Run!!

President Obama’s policies, both foreign and domestic, both economic and social, with the very notable exception of the Affordable Care Act have been very nearly indistinguishable from those of his predecessor. The bailout of the nation’s banks and the financial services industry, the rescue of GM from bankruptcy, the hunting down of Osama bin Laden “like a dog(?)” and our involvement in armed conflicts in Libya and Yemen…all could have occurred under our Cowboy President, George W. Bush. With our president hunched over his kill list, like Vito Corleone, it would appear that he has managed to out-cowboy the cowboy president, by a country mile. Why, then is he regarded as a socialist, a communist or harboring a deeply hidden antipathy to gun rights? With the upsurge in firearm sales that accompanied his assention to office, the gun industry never had it so good. Politics. ‘Tis a puzzlement.

I am really sick and tired of liars and paranoid conspirator theorists/theories. Yes there are drones, yes it is damned wrong, but no one gives a “d—-” about most of us. No gives a rat’s rear about him. Let’s focus on the loss of rights brought on by right wing extremist puppets and maybe the likes of Romney who send US jobs overseas so they can have one more mansion or car. I want my neighbors to have jobs. I want regular people in Congress not BPF’s(bought and paid fors)