So in addition to being haters, FAIR is also a bunch of liars. Gee, who would have guessed?

So where is the outrage from the right that they expressed over Acorn’s alleged misrepresentations? I’m sure that’s somehow different.

At the very least, improper use of the HIDTA logo would seem to be a violation of copyright. However, this seems to border on criminal fraud. I guess FAIR’s stated concern for our laws is selectively convenient.

Well, looks like they’re lying for Jeebus.

FAIR are liars for sure, but I suspect that if HIDTA co-sponsored the previous conference in June, FAIR had good reason to believe that HIDTA would look the other way. Now that SPLC has called them out, of course HIDTA has to distance itself from FAIR, but in light of its alleged support for the previous event, it is difficult for me to believe that HIDTA doesn’t at least tacitly approve of FAIR’S tactics.

Every leader of China has been an Asian. When will China elect a Caucasian leader? Cities in China are too Asian. When will they open their borders to Caucasian immigration?

Why is there no Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in China ensuring that Caucasians get hired and are represented in the workforce? When I see pictures of street scenes of China everybody is Asian. Why is that? Where are the Caucasian faces? When will they have quotas and diversity set-asides for Caucasians? When will Olympic athletic teams from China have Caucasians?

When will all aspects of Chinese society open up for Caucasians? I want to see more Caucasians in Chinese films and television. There are too many Asians in China. The Chinese legislature, and courts are all run by Asians.

There are no Caucasians on the Chinese supreme court. This is proof it must be a bigoted, intolerant, prejudiced, narrow minded society. They must be living in the past. There should be equal proportions of all races present in China.

Don’t they know we all share a common African ancestor? So what if Caucasians start moving to China? It will just become a little more Caucasian. So what?

I do not agree with using false information, this is wrong. However, from my readings on this site, it appears to me that SPLC feels if you are anti-illegal immigration and anti-Obama and his policies you are part of a hate group. There is nothing wrong and/or hateful about wanting the government to follow the Constitution and not their own interpretations of whatever, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to become a socialist society, there is also nothing wrong with expecting people coming to this Country to follow the law and do it legally, or be arrested and sent back where they came from.

‘Jessica,’

Take your copypasta drivel elsewhere. You wouldn’t know anything about immigration law if it smacked you in the mouth.

Aron: I’m not sure… and god knows, it’s REALLY hard to tell… but Jessica’s copypasta seems to be a parody of the other types. I could be wrong, though. *Shrugs.*

Joe Cristarella: SPLC is not against people who are Anti-Obama or anti-illegal immigration. They are against bigots and idiots who use racism as a REASON for being anti-Obama or anti-illegal immigration. Also, Obama is not a socialist, so… You’re wrong there. But there IS plenty wrong with people acting as vigilantes and arresting innocent people for no reason, or for public figures ruining economies and destroying the social fabric of formerly tolerant societies. And SPLC is here to call them out on it.

Jessica, honey, by definition, everyone who is born in and lives in Asia is Asian, and everyone who is a citizen of China is Chinese. If you ever read Lao-Tze, you would know that “the Great Land” grew far less by conquest than by receiving immigrants. Meanwhile, the number of actual Caucasians on earth is rather tiny, and those who don’t stay in the Caucasus don’t form a majority anywhere. They’re not even all that related to each other. So who the Hell are you carrying a brief for, and what the Hell do you want?

No, Mr. Cristarella. A hate group is one that engages in group libel and either stirs up violence towards the target group or engages in violent tactics itself. People can hate the President for his policies all they want, so long as they’re advocating election and not insurrection or assassination. Those who advocate the latter usually find his color more objectionable than his politics. If you pay attention, you’ll find that’s what we’re talking about, and if you’re a Hammerhead, you won’t pay attention.

Reynardine and Aron –

I don’t know…perhaps Jessica has a point. Jessica, my dear, we invite you to move to China and make it more diverse. Feel free to take your friends with you.

Joe Cristeralla –

I so wish that you and others who hold similar beliefs would at least bother to learn what “socialism” is. Even if you simply look it up on Wikipedia. If you don’t like President Obama — fine. But he isn’t a socialist. And if you are referring to the Affordable Care Act as being “socialist,” it isn’t. Instead, it is an attempt by the government to address the purposeful failure of the marketplace (e.g., for-profit insurance companies) to provide services to a rather staggeringly large percentage of the American public. That has, in fact, been a traditional role that government has played since the beginning of our country.

Jessica,

Judging by your post, you are a confused person. Don’t feel bad. We all get confused from time to time, but we can always get better if we try hard.

You confuse nationality with race. Citizens of China are not “Asian”: they are Chinese (think hard: how many Japanese people have become Premier of China?).
You also confuse the U.S. with China. Differences in geography, history, interactions with other nations, religion, political systems, language, availability of resources, and on and on, influence how governments and citizens of a country respond to people from other countries. It probably feels kind of scary to you to think that the world is so complicated. And it might comfort you to imagine that everything comes down to how people look, but isn’t that just a little too simple?
You also are a little confused about China. China is a big, big country. There are actually lots of “Caucasions” (without making things more confusing to you by tearing apart the idea of “Caucasion”, I’m guessing you mean stereotypically “western-looking” people) living in China, and lots of people from other countries living there too. Even among the Chinese, there are so many different kinds of people (we call them “ethnicities”. Try to say it: eth-NI-si-teez) with so many traditions and ways of communicating that the Chinese themselves get confused over who is “Chinese”. Really! Kind of like you were confused over who is American and who is not.

Okay, go brush your teeth.

There are times when I’m you guys are an ocean away from me.
Your ring wingnuts get to come heavily armed! Crazy, that your society allows these idiots to get hold of hand guns and assault rifles. I’m trying hard not to imagine The EDL with guns, shiver!

Add glad between I’m and you.

BUM!

Jessica, did you know that the United States of America has always had American Presidents? That the members of the Supreme Court and Congress are Americans. In fact, Americans totally dominate the USofA.

Of course, based upon your point, you should be welcoming people from Mexico with open arms – Mexicans are also North Americans :)

Peter,

I couldn’t have said it better myself. So I must simply repeat it to reinforce:

‘BUM!’

But regarding your EDL comment, it is my understanding that shotguns are still legal to possess in Blighty. Though I will certainly now to your greater knowledge and experience in the matter.

Also, BUM!

When someone calls you a racist what is happening is,the accuser is claiming moral purity: “My soul is pure and spotless, washed in the blood of the Lamb. Your soul is dirty, stained, unclean.”

Anti-racism has the characteristics of 19th century religious though, replete with icons, holy books, heretics, sin, and an entire pantheon of gods and lesser angels. Anti-racists are just as intolerant as religious fanatics of the middle ages. It’s a belief system. An ideology, like Communism. They’ve invented whole new categories of crimes. I’d call them ‘thought crimes’. Racism is a ‘sin’. It’s a thought crime. ‘Racists’ are heretics. But it’s not a monotheistic religion. It is not an Abrahamic religion.

Anti-racism is like a crazy religion like Scientology. When you become an anti-racist you have become a ‘clear’ in the language of Scientology. And anti-racists have a whole vocabulary all their own, just like in Scientology. The best historical parallel is Communism in the early days of the Soviet Union. The true believers want to spread anti-racism throughout the world in anticipation of their Nirvana: A world free from ‘racism’.

What can you do with such a crazy religious fanatic? Just run away as fast as possible.

I’m not a big fan of open carry laws myself.

What are you afraid is in your family tree, Jessica?

Looks like we have a strong candidate for the Lithium Hammerhead Award here in Jessica :P

“What can you do with such a crazy religious fanatic? Just run away as fast as possible.”

Are we the fanatics, Jessica? If so, then you are ignoring your own advice by even participating in this forum.

And Joe, FAIR isn’t merely anti-illegal-immigration. This group has well-documented ties to white nationalist groups, and the laws that they have pushed through state legislatures have resulted in the general harassment of Latinos in each of these states, regardless of their legal status.

Jessica — I’m not really sure what you are getting at with your post. Most of the people I know who are against “racism” (e.g., judging people to be inferior, dangerous, or degenerate SPECIFICALLY because of their apparent “race”) are generally pro basic human rights for everyone. Being against racism is only one aspect of a world view in which all persons deserve to live their lives free of undue want, need, or duress. This is a goal that we aim for, although, obviously, it isn’t the case everywhere — or even within the U.S. Thus, I don’t see being against racism as a “religion” or an “ideology.”

I don’t know how long you have been reading this blog, but I’m sure that you should have encountered the concept that “race” is rather a misnomer. Most of us are a “mix” if we dig deeply enough. As a result, not only do many of the folks who comment regularly on this blog think “racism” is harmful and wrong, it is also considered totally stupid, since “race” itself is basically a construct.

If nothing more qualified arrives by sundown, the Lithium Hammerhead is in the bag for her.

I hope we don’t make it to yterbium.

Slow day at StormFront, “Jessica”? Can you possibly cut and paste something that we haven’t already seen a dozen times or so?

Erika, can I splash some water on her?

*KABOOM!*

BUM!

Hammerhead Lithium award for Jessica — definitely. I would also suggest that she might benefit from being wrapped in a wet sheet for a while to calm her down.

Y’all are mean – I was just thinking that perhaps the medication Lithium might help Jessica :)

Oooh! I thought we had switched from super-heavy metals to super-light metals. Still potentially ‘splosive, though.

And I concur, regarding the lithium medication. ‘Cuz she CRAZY.

I just wanna hear more about this pantheon of gods and angles that we supposedly worship. Cool!

Reynardine,

With the discovery of the Higgs Boson, I believe science will discover more elements for the full rainbow of Hammerhead Awards, in their diverse and loving glory, before we get through the known ones.

Erika,
I think Lithium might help whoever signed that post as “Jessica”. In all likelihood, the same individual has posted the same crap under different names. We’ve seen this copypasta salad before.

I have monitored splc for many years. It appears that most of their articles are slanted against white people. If any of u clowns ever lived in the southwest, you would know that the illegals are costing the U.S. millions daily. Our federal prisons are full of illegals. I prison they make money in the prison factories and do not pay taxes. They get better medical care than u do. Wake up America.

Or start grabbing wires under the hood of a Prius. The Lithium in the trunk might jolt her back to reality.

Wow! Way to get off subject guys.

Yes we all know illegal immigration is bad. We all know the borders have to be secured. And we all know the Federal Government has dropped the ball. Worse yet they persecute those who try to enforce federal laws and do the job they won’t. And all the libs have left to argue is that anyone who disagrees with illegal immigration are all a bunch of racists. The federal government and the SPLC – The blind leading the blind.

Anyway to the original point, I much more believe FAIR than ONDCP any day.

Actually erica, Mexico is part of central America, and is therefore such. You say you like to color “pink”? You might also like arpaio’s pink underwear program.

As of now, I acknowledge Jessica as the Lithium Hammerhead Winner.

Anti-Racism = Religious Fanatic, with Holy Books, sins and heretics.

I could say a lot. But that statement was meaningless. You would compare anti-racists (which means we don’t like those who hate, nor those who advocate violence in the name of hate, or who turn their backs on those who commit violence in the name of hate) to religious fanatics.

Why don’t you just come out and say what you want to say. Don’t use big words. Put the thesaurus down. Say exactly what you want to say…they’ll let you . You’ll feel better too. It’s a new week.

The nominees for next Friday are already coming in.

Dale –

I find it interesting that so many people in the Southwest are hostile toward “illegals.” America has had a history of tolerating and even inviting in Latinos, Asians, etc. Catholic Europeans, during times when the country was undergoing economic booms and/or had big “public works” programs going on (e.g., building of the railroads, digging canals, working in factories, slaughterhouses, etc.) but then attempting to send them packing–and in the Southwest, confiscating their property–during recessions/ depressions.

During the Great Depression, “Mexicans” were sent packing from northern cities as well as the Southwest — even in cases in which several generations had lived in the U.S. (I am aware that, at the time, Arizona, for example, wasn’t yet a state.) Up here in Illinois, many Latinos of primarily Mexican descent were working in the many factories in Joliet (e.g., railroad supply related, steel mills, brickyards). Many of them were summarily “kicked out” when the Depression hit, and their property was seized. It didn’t matter that some had been in this country for more than a generation.

In the Southwest, the first law against marijuana were passed specifically to have a law through which white authorities could prosecute–and chase off–”Mexicans.” While the Latinos in places like Joliet, IL obviously “migrated” there (and were welcomed with open arms by industry when they needed workers), the situation in the Southwest was vastly different. Many “Mexican” families had lived on U.S. lands for generations, because, ah, well, that Mexico place was just over an imaginary line. In other words, these folks were expelled from family homes and ranches because they were–wait for it–of Latino descent! (Gee–I guess race was involved).

White immigrants–even those who initially weren’t considered all that desirable, often because they were Catholic in a predominantly Protestant country (e.g., Italians, Irish)–got a pass and were ultimately accepted into American society. After all, they didn’t “stick out” the way those with dark skin or eyes with a different shape do in a see of “whites.”

Latinos have been used and abused in the U.S. for decades. This is especially ironic in areas like the Southwest, where many of them lived before “white” settlers and ranchers. Expelling them and continuing to villify them when you are, in fact, living on land on which they have a much, much longer history is either an expression of greed (we want their land) or racisim (we don’t want their kind around us “whites”) and often a combination of both.

Shadow Wolf, continentally speaking – which is what Jessica was doing – Central America is merely the southernmost part of North America. And calling Mexico Central America really is not accurate – because if you see Central America as being separate from North America, it would be as the narrow connecting section between North and South America. Only the extreme southern portion of Mexico would qualify – the rest of Mexico is obviously continental and that continent is North America.

And why wouldn’t I like pink? :)

OK, Guardian, back on topic. The federal government hasn’t dropped the ball, or at least not in the way that you think it has; the 786,000 immigrants deported in the last 2 fiscal years (390,000 in 2010 and 396,000 in 2011 according to ICE spokeswoman Gillian Christensen) can attest to that. And U.S. Customs and Border Protection has quintupled its staff since 1993, increasing the number of agents every year since then to reach the current number of 21,444. Moreover, as of Feb. 10, 2012, 651 miles of fencing has been completed on the Southwest Border. You can verify these last 2 items at ^[10].

Believe me, Guardian, if the federal government dropped the ball, it was in being overly strict about deportation. The simple fact is that immigrants, including those without papers, buy things, and being ticked off at them for sneaking into the country does not change that fact. Is it really “liberal” to consider how much sales and tax revenue might be lost as a result of throwing them out? Is it “liberal” to posit that businesses that see a decline in customer purchases might have to let people go? Is it “liberal” to post statistics that come directly from the organizations that handle border security?

Don’t just post once and leave, Guardian. Point out flaws in my numbers or my reasoning. Elaborate on your points.

Coral Sea, you have once more qualified as an Anvil Award candidate for your resistance to Hammerheads.

Shadow Wolf, in essence, there is no Central America. Continental drift brought North and South America closer, the Isthmus started from the North American side as a chain of volcanos, and sea level recession ultimately resulted in the Great American Interchange. Mexico has been part of North America since that split from Pangaea. Culturally, pre-Columbian Mexico shared with both North and South America, but the Aztecs came from the same stock as the Ute, Comanche, and Hopi. No competent geographer or ethnographer will call Mexico anything but North American.

Erika, nothing wrong with the color pink, but there are shades and shades. Some are almost magenta, while others are better described as Peach Bottom.

You know, I don’t necessarily care for illegal immigration, it’s touched just about all of us in some way, shape or form, whether it’s criminal, or job related, but stupid is just stupid, and I can’t cater to stupid.

A lot of these individuals crossing now are minors, children, with their parents sending them over to get away from the cartels. Those are REFUGIES and should be provided with sanctuary.

The more and more I read these types of threads the more I like what President Obama did for the younger immigrants.

You know it’s funny, I’m in a black neighborhood the other day buying a car, and I take my son to get some dinner. And in the middle of a large black neighborhood in South Dallas, mexicans are working the restaurant, not black people, or white people, Mexicans.

You know what, if they’re the only ones that want to work and not be on government assistance, God Bless Them. Let them work. At least (some of) if not most of the money they’re spending from those jobs is getting spent in the US and not being sent overseas.

Immigrants put my mother out of work too, so don’t come back with that argument. I was as poor as any of you, my mother couldn’t find a job because they accepted lesser wages. But it’s a free market economy right?

Personally – I think we should make Mexico a territory, just like Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Move some jobs over there, create some industry, real estate development, and get some real law enforcement for those cartels. I think it would be an economy boost for both countries, free up some budget from DHS and the border between Mexico and Central America is much smaller…but that’s just me.

Joseph, what you’re suggesting is dangerously close to the dreaded ‘North American Union.’ So you might want to be careful, lest you rile up The Idiots. ;D

I’m also glad to hear we’ve helped you to view these folks in a more positive light. Once again, I find myself agreeing with you, this time regarding the refugee status. These are KIDS crossing the border, ALONE. Have these nativists no mercy? I just cannot understand.

No they don’t care, unless it’s their kids of course. Dreaded North American Union, sounds almost like some from the UN huh? OMG – You guys are assimilating me…

Joseph –

Sorry that your mom lost her job to undocumented workers. But the root of the problem isn’t desperate workers who are willing to work for very low wages–it’s the businesses that pit workers against themselves and the corrupt officials who are willing to do their bidding by looking the other way in regard to wage and safety violations.

This has traditionally happened in “unskilled” or physically demanding labor, but recently, the “we can’t find American workers to fill jobs so we have to bring in ‘foreigners’” thing has hit skilled workers in IT and other technical fields. Employers “prove” that their are no Americans to fill such jobs by soliciting resumes from job seekers, but then indicating that the job will pay only half the going rate. In other words — they can’t find American workers who will work for ridiculously low wages — not that they can’t find qualified American workers!

During the Industrial Revolution, male, native-born workers were replaced by waves of immigrants who were “cheaper” (thus incurring the enmity of the native-born workers). Male workers were also replaced by women, who could be paid less, and in many industries, wages were depressed yet again by businesses who got rid of adult workers and hired children.

The labor movement in the U.S. managed to gain enough clout (often through bloody confrontations with armed Pinkerton or other “enforcers” paid by employers) so that wages finally rose to the point where a middle class emerged. Even though many people didn’t belong to unions, we all benefitted because all wages rose. This is still true — workers in states where unions are still a force (and that don’t have right-to-work laws) earn more, whether they work for a union or not, than workers in states where unions have either been much diminished or never held much power (e.g., The South).

While it is true that unions have sometimes abused their power, what we are seeing now is what happens when employers and industries have a strong upper hand and no one to rein them in. Wages and benefits get squashed and a ridiculous percentage of money flows to the very top, leaving workers to fight over the scraps.

I am not a socialist, but unbridled capitalism is brutal. It also, ultimately, doesn’t lead to the best results, since it deprives such a large number of people, who might otherwise come up with innovations, scientific discoveries, etc. that could continue to move the economy along, of the education, time, and yes — the availability of capital — to strike out in new directions.

Incidentally, Americans had higher wages than those in Europe during the Industrial Revolution because there was the POSSIBILITY of native-born Americans and new arrivals to go west, stake a claim on land (admittedly, stolen from the Native Americans — a permanent blot on our history), and, if they stayed on the land and farmed it, to “prove” their claim and own the land. The fact that America had a “relief valve” for the ambitious, hale, and hearty to go forth and become landowners is one of the factors that kept America from settling quite so rigidly into the sort of class structure they had in Europe (note that the slave-owning South was attempting to hold onto a particularly noxious class system, in which black people were property, but poor whites were basically “peasants” who were in many cases forced to help enforce the status quo (I am referring here to requirements in slave territories that white residents–often poor white, non-slave owning residents–were required to do their part to serve on night-time patrols to ensure that slaves were unable to runaway). This vicious, classist way of life is what some of the neo-Southerners wax poetic about — go figure.

Anyway, my point is that we no longer have the “relief valve” for the ambitious to settle a new land — and we also are in the midst of losing the restraints that the labor unions used to put on employer abuses. We are in a time of wildly spiraling inequalities in terms of wages/compensation and wealth, and other workers aren’t really the bad guys — employers that can get away with hiring people, often undocumented, pay them low wages and cut corners on their benefits (e.g., healthcare), and then send them packing if they are injured on the job or contract a work-related illness (and this happens with disgusting regularity) are the ones who need to be called to account (along with the lickspittle officials who are willing to do their bidding by holding the line on wages and failing to enforce health & safety standards).

Joseph: ‘ONE OF US, ONE OF US. HEE HEE HEE HEE!*’

*Reference to the classic 1932 film ‘Freaks.’

** The NAU is the American ‘equivalent’ of the European Union, with it’s own equivalent currency: the Amero!

It’s a favorite topic of idiot conspiracy theorists to bandy about. Basically, it would conjoin Mexico, the US, and Canada into one political body. It’ll definitely happen.***

***NOT!

:)

Well Moderate Mike,

Once again you’ve missed the point of the original argument –‘FAIR wrote that its “border school” had been approved by the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area program (HIDTA), a program of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP). But a spokesperson for the ONDCP says that no approval has been granted.’ This being an unpopular issue for the Libs I can understand why ONDCP would deny it. But I guess this subject is not as exciting as debating illegal immigration, so if we must…

By your reasoning if we just opened up the borders, that would cure our nation’s economic crisis, putting people back to work and pay off the national debt. Why stop there? Open the prison doors, they want to buy stuff too. And why not sell guns to terrorist…oh wait, Eric Holder already tried that. I know, I know that’s just silly, but that’s exactly my point.

Here’s the reality. According to the report The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, the $113 billion in outlays for services and benefits to illegal aliens and their families represents an average cost to US households of $1,117 a year. The federal government recoups about one-third of its share of the costs of illegal immigration in the form of taxes collected. States, which bear a much greater share of the costs, recoup a mere 5 percent of their expenditures from taxes paid by illegal aliens. That bottom line $113 billion a year, and growing makes our nation’s failure to control illegal immigration one of the largest preventable burdens borne by American taxpayers.

Sure the government has beefed up the border patrol presence in the past 8 or 9 years, but it’s still failing. Failing to the point where individual states are forced to take matters into their own hands, only to be persecuted be their own government and threatened with law suits. Why the failure? Because there are far too many liberal government incentives available for illegal immigrant once they get here. Its’ is a dangerous game this administration is playing; putting our BP agents at risk on the border in a politically motivated show of force, while at the same time trying to appease their illegal immigrant voting base with incentives and free college educations here in the US.

Have I elaborated enough?

Jessica
You failed to add that the oranges roll uphill when they fall out of the wheelbarrow.

Damn straight, Buddy, they do…in one place in Central Florida, where the topography is so odd it looks like the surface of the lake is slanting and stuff rolls uphill. It’s an illusion, of course, but so is a lot of the stuff Hammerheads expound on.

We are a nation founded by immigrants. Our Statue of Liberty on Bedlows Island right off Manhattan Island has an inscription “Come ye all that are heavy laden.” It doesn’t say, “Come ye all legal aliens who are heavy laden, and keep out Illegal aliens.” I have written this again and again, we are all aliens even the so-called American Indian who originally came from Siberia before history was even written. In the USA, there is no such thing as illegal aliens. Any alien who is proven to have broken a law, should be the only one to be deported to his/her country of origin.

Tobias,
I think it is an interesting concept “there is no such thing as illegal aliens.” In a perfect world people should be able to travel and migrate wherever they want, to come and go to whatever country they please, without borders and without distinction between separate countries.
But the reality is, this is not a perfect world and people are not perfect. There are people who want to hurt us. There are people who want to come here just to take advantage of government programs. Some want to turn our country into something it was never meant to be. Let’s face it, if the Native Americans would have had immigration control, there may never have been a single Indian reservations or the ‘trail of tears’.
I’m all for legal immigration, but we know who is coming in and out, and for what legitimate purpose, and who is going to be paying for their stay. There’s too much at stake to just open the doors. I wouldn’t do that at my home and we can’t do that to our country.

You’re right, Guardian, there are people who want to hurt us, like that American who just mowed down 71 casualties, living and dead included, in a movie theater in Aurora, and who appears to have modeled his M.O. on that of another mass murderer who vented his spleen on his countrymen to show how pissed off he was over illegal aliens.

Reynardine,
Thank you for making my point. We have enough on our plates dealing with the home grown nut cases and welfareaholics we already have. We sure don’t need to be importing terrorism and poverty from other countries.

Guardian, I doubt I did, but imagine whatever makes you happy, as long as you do it in private.

Reynardine,
I know you would like to use your misguided, radical leftist opinions as a weapon to censor my logical, fact based views. But I understand, after all this is the only weapon you have left.