My reply:

For economic reasons and the fact this is a solution without a problem.

All of the talk about crime, job loss, etc is pretty much phony. If you look at serious academic research into the question it’s virtually unanimous that the effect on the economy is null or even slightly positive.

If you are seriously concerned that someone trimming hedges without a visa is going to push your wages down, I suggest getting off this blog at once and into an online university with a federal student loan program where you can get technical skills. I also strongly suggest joining a labor union.

The same is true for crime rates: perfectly transparent public data shows illegal immigrants commit fewer serious crimes than citizens per capita. We don’t need a special effort on immigration to fight crime. Just do the normal police work. Once in custody, it’s easy enough to refer them to immigration.

Besides, if you go around terrorizing illegal immigrants they will clam up and the police won’t get any help from informants on serious crimes, and a lot of major police departments say just that.

Even if we did start doing as you propose, I don’t think it would make much of a dent in the immigration at all. I think people would just work in the informal sector or find some other way around it.

So basically, my dear, illegal immigration is not something that makes much difference in my life one way or another. If you want to spend your life freaking out over a non-issue like this, then be my guest.

At least you’ll be glad there is an affordable health care act when you get heart disease.

Tens of millions, in fact.”

Incorrect. Importation means that they purposely bring these people into the country. In fact, America’s immigration and visa laws are among the strictest in the industrialized world. I have a lot of experience with this. It is this which causes people to immigrate illegally.

Furthermore, you accuse the left but it was Reagan who gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants during his term. Obama, by stark contrast, has deported somewhere between 400,000 and 600,000 illegal immigrants.

“You have pitted decently paid legitimate workers against cheap illegal labourers. You set off a race to the bottom, as it were, and would now like to blame the consequences on conservatives, or something. You have also destabilised Mexico to the point where it is in danger of collapse.”

Wrong, the businessmen, such as contractors, caused this. And as I said, many of the states where illegal immigrants find work are Right to Work states.

“Sahme on them for facilitating the horrific exploitation of naive illedgals, some of whom are forced to give half their substandard wages to their ‘handlers’.”

Shame on those who backed union-busting laws which made this possible.

“Over the years ( decades actually) neither Democrats or Repulicans have taken any serious measures to fine and/or imprison those business owners knowingly employing illegals.”

Yes, because this would hurt the businessmen, and both parties run in their favor.
All we do is complain some white republican pol.

“Why aren’t you lobbying Congress to pass laws that would allow those employing illegals to be fined or jailed?

You don’t want to know what I would do about it. But I would support laws which allow ANY employees anywhere to organize, regardless of immigration status, and a change to immigration laws which makes it easier for people to immigrate legally, in which case they could be checked out before they come. It would not be very difficult at all and it would save millions, if not billions of dollars in the long run. But of course the right will oppose anything that allows workers to organize for their rights.

Illegal immigration is a massive scam propagated by America’s oligarchs to enrich themselves and to destroy the working class.

It’s top-down class warfare.

Back in 1870s New York, Irish workers had started forming unions, going on strike and demanding higher wages.

New York’s industrial elites responded by bringing in huge numbers of recently freed slaves to undercut those working class gains.

This is one of the oldest scams going.

Actually, I take Zoloft — and it definitely makes a difference. I suffer from “major depression.” Initially, I couldn’t comprehend how a drug could alter mood (without making one all dopey or giddy), but after finding that, indeed, outrageously dark thoughts, thoughts of suicide, and anger that came out of nowhere indeed departed after the drug reached therapeutic levels, I no longer doubted that “major depression,” which is what I suffered from, is indeed chemically based.

Others who have been helped by anti-depressants say the same thing. I know that it can be difficult to wrap one’s mind around — and unfortunately, there is still a stigma attached to mental illness.

All I can say is that I am grateful that I was able to find an appropriate medication at an appropriate dosage. I would rather be willing to seek help so that I can live a reasonably happy and productive life than deny that I had/have a problem. This doesn’t mean that I don’t get “appropriately depressed” by bad situations (e.g., dealing my parents’ eroding health, struggling a bit financially, feeling bad about people who are losing their homes), but the dark thoughts that come out of nowhere are gone.

Fortunately, people with mood disorders (unless they are too messed up by cultural or relgious programming) are usually willing to accept treatment and are helped by it. On the other hand, people with personality disorders (e.g., sociopathy, narcissism, borderline personality — things one often sees in criminals and some, though not all, of the scarier hate-group types) pretty much avoid any sort of psychological help unless they are ordered to get it by the courts (and it usually doesn’t help).

But I wish to emphasize, one of the hallmarks of depression (that a lot of people don’t understand), is inappropriate rage and anger. In all seriousness — and with compassion — be brave enough to look into this. If you are indeed depressed, you will be glad that you did (and I, for one, will be happy for you). Please take care of yourself.

I wholeheartedly suggest we simply ignore him.

So how do you manage yours?

Unfortunately, Americans don’t tend to have much of an understanding of economics or the way the U.S.’s actions affect the rest of the world.

Evan — you seem to be a tad irrational. If these are indeed your feelings and beliefs as opposed to simply a display of “messing” with the other commenters, then I suggest you perhaps consult a doctor (I’m not joking about this, and I do say it with compassion — I have a family member who, when he is worked up, goes on like you, even though he is otherwise a decent guy). Please take care of yourself. Mood disorders are no different than diabetes — but you do need to take steps to seek assistance to manage them.

Yes, your middle name is “ultramind”

You have telepathic abilities and when you’re about to drop yet another pear of wisdom the viensin your head throb.

I thought you had promised not to engage with Aron in an earlier post.

Anyway, even if the left were “championing the importation of millions of illegals”, it would not have much success given the current level of border security and the high rate of deportation.

You may not be stupid, but you lack credibility when you don’t back up your arguments with empirical data. Come on, Evan, no excuses about lacking the time. I certainly have had the time to back up my own arguments by supplying links and/or quotes. Why can’t you do the same?

Tens of millions, in fact.”

Okay, which companies or corporations are loading ships with these people? Who are they? You talk about them as if they’re cars.

“And successive Republican and Democart “regimes” have sanctioned their legitimisation with various amnesty scams”

Both parties dropped the ball in dealing with immigration, but guess what? There has been very little illegals coming to the U.S. due to Obama’s record number of deportations. Also, what do you do with the ones here in the U.S.? Go on a witchunt and arrest all of them? That’s unrealistic.

“You have pitted decently paid legitimate workers against cheap illegal labourers. You set off a race to the bottom, as it were, and would now like to blame the consequences on conservatives, or something. You have also destabilised Mexico to the point where it is in danger of collapse.”

Mexico’s destabilization is due to the Mexican Drug War and it’s own economic and political problems. As for folks blaming conservatives for cheap laborers being pitted against legitimate workers, didn’t you say the Republicans took part in legitimizing illegals?

“Advocacy groups for illegals, staffed almost exclusively by clueless ‘progressive’ have provided all the crony capitalists with a cheap labour wet dream.”

Crony capitalists have taken advantage of illegal immigrants, but to say it’s the fault of advocacy groups is false. Many of these folks go to where the jobs are and the crony capitalists you speak of search for them. You’re not an American, so I doubt you’ve seen a line a day laborers outside Home Depot.

“Sahme on them for facilitating the horrific exploitation of naive illedgals, some of whom are forced to give half their substandard wages to their ‘handlers’”

I agree, but why are you pretending to be a leftist?

“Over the years ( decades actually) neither Democrats or Repulicans have taken any serious measures to fine and/or imprison those business owners knowingly employing illegals.

All we do is complain some white republican pol.”

Actually, there have been some business owners that got in trouble for hiring illegals. As for complaining about white Republicans, who’s “we”? You’re not an American. I don’t give about white Republicans.

“Why aren’t you lobbying Congress to pass laws that would allow those employing illegals to be fined or jailed?”

That’s happening all the time. You’re just too stupid to know about it.

Tens of millions, in fact.

And successive Republican and Democart “regimes” have sanctioned their legitimisation with various amnesty scams

You have pitted decently paid legitimate workers against cheap illegal labourers. You set off a race to the bottom, as it were, and would now like to blame the consequences on conservatives, or something. You have also destabilised Mexico to the point where it is in danger of collapse.

Advocacy groups for illegals, staffed almost exclusively by clueless ‘progressive’ have provided all the crony capitalists with a cheap labour wet dream.

Sahme on them for facilitating the horrific exploitation of naive illedgals, some of whom are forced to give half their substandard wages to their ‘handlers’.

Over the years ( decades actually) neither Democrats or Repulicans have taken any serious measures to fine and/or imprison those business owners knowingly employing illegals.

All we do is complain some white republican pol.

Why aren’t you lobbying Congress to pass laws that would allow those employing illegals to be fined or jailed?

Earlier I asked you “pretty please with sugar on top” to take Arizona back to once again be a part of your fine country.

Obviously thus far this has not been successful. Can you pretty please with whipped cream and a cherry on top let me know what the problem is with the offer to get Arizona back under the Mexican flag? Because there are several other states I am willing to add to sweeten the offer. Texas is an obvious one – I don’;t think that you ever owned Oklahoma and Kansas, but they could make a nice addition to your country. Just think of all of the tax pesos you could get from the Koch Brothers alone.

I think that this is a more than fair offer.

Love,

Erika :)

Nice try at pretending to be a leftist though.

Do the problems discussed here exist? Most assuredly, and bigotry in law or in fact won’t solve them. All it will do is add to the injustice, and the only “ril uhMericuhns” whose lives will be made better will be the arms dealers and slave drivers.

I hope I didn’t come across as crazy as Evan, who may not be stupid, but certainly is flamboyantly excitable.

Stupid.

I’m not stupid, Aron.

Importing millions and millions of cheap, expendable labourers is a form of class warfare engaged in by America’s financial elites, and it’s a class warfare whose sole aim is to rip-off legitimate, legal, unionised, blue-collar workers.

And that’s what the whole racism/bigotry industry ultimately boils down to as well; the wholesale destruction of wage structures, benefits, workplace safety, job security etc.

It’s a form of “immigration” that sullies, that mocks the words on The Statue of Liberty.

If you disagree with that view, then please present a coherent counter-argument.

It’s a supreme irony that the SPLC is just chock-full of seasoned marxists weaving the soft, silky ideological superstructure that justifies/accompanies such rough economic brutality.

Geniuses!

Tell us Evan, is there anything you’re NOT?

But that appears to be the exception rather than the rule.