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Ann Coulter: Loss of White Majority ‘Destroyed’ California
That attack-dog author Ann Coulter is not too bright — and that she is perfectly happy to slime any and all people she doesn’t like — is well known.
What’s not such common knowledge is that she is a racist.
Of course, there were early hints. The starkest came in 2009, when her latest rabid tome, Guilty: Liberal “Victims” and Their Assault on America, made an extended defense of a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC). The CCC, Coulter opined, was merely “a conservative group” that was being attacked by The New York Times and others because it included “members who had belonged to a segregationist group thirty years earlier.” She asserted that there was “no evidence” on the CCC’s website of any support for segregation or the like.
Well, Coulter apparently never read the page, which says that the group opposes all “effort to mix the races of mankind.” The CCC has written that black people are “a retrograde species of humanity,” and that non-white immigration is turning the U.S. population into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” It has lambasted black people as “genetically inferior,” complained about “Jewish power brokers,” called gay people “perverted sodomites,” and named the late Lester Maddox, the baseball bat-wielding, arch-segregationist former Georgia governor “Patriot of the Century.” All of this was well known at the time to pundits, politicians and the media.
But let’s give Ann a break. Maybe she really did think the CCC was merely about “a strong national defense, the right to keep and bear arms, the traditional family, and an ‘America First’ trade policy,” as she wrote then. Whatever.
Now comes the 2012 version of Ann Coulter, older but clearly not wiser. See, she’s been thinking about race, and her new book on the topic, Mugged: Racial Demagoguery From the Seventies to Obama, is out this Oct. 3. And yesterday, she blogged about some of those deep thoughts on race for the first time:
- The 2000 loss of a white majority in California — something the Census Bureau says will happen nationwide by 2050 — “has already destroyed” the state.
- Now the entire United States “is on its way to becoming a Third World, one-party state.” This change will do “incalculable damage to the nation and to individual citizens.”
- The 1965 Immigration Act, which ended a racist system of national quotas, was “expressly designed” by “liberal demagogues” to “make [America] more like Nigeria.”
- “Eighty-five percent of immigrants now come from ‘developing countries.’ (How are they ever going to develop if their people are all on the dole over here?)”
- No one is “allowed to say, ‘We like the ethnic mix as it is.’”
Coulter goes into some of her well-known name-calling — California Gov. Jerry Brown is a “geriatric leftist” and that state’s junior senator Barbara Boxer is an “old prune” — but her main thrust, and apparently her main current interest, is race.
We can’t wait to see her further thoughts in October. We fully expect that she’s thought just as deeply about race as she has about the CCC — which is to say, practically not at all.
on July 19th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
She has also proposed invading Canada.
on July 19th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Mark Potok,
I knew Ann Coulter was a bigot for quite some time, but I didn’t realize that she was a racist. Thanks for printing this. Its Just one more reason to not trust her.
on July 20th, 2012 at 1:58 am
It’s sometimes hard to believe some of the most hateful and bigoted rhetoric coming from the extreme right. Then I remember, it’s coming from people who have always felt this way. The problem is when the media no longer holds them accountable by exposing the hate, but instead makes celebrities and almost glorifies these people by giving them over-the-top exposure with headlines and talk show appearances. or like in the case of Anne Coulter, ignores the racism and bigotry altogether. I remember when media used to be there to inform and educate, now they’re just another industry that’s become one big Jerry Springer Show.
on July 20th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Her quotes are practically the same as anything you might find on Stormfront, and yet accuse her of being racist and you’ll be informed that YOU are the “real racist.”
on July 20th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I’m no fan of Coulter, but she can be right about some things.
One of the things I have noticed about critics her accuse her of racism is this; almost all live in comfy, lilly-white burbs.
on July 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Please explain what she is “right” about. And prepare to be humiliated.
on July 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Ruslan, you have to admit that Ann Coulter, if that is her real name given that she has claimed multiple birthdates, does make a valid point in saying that the U.S. is moving towards becoming a “Third World, one party state.”
Doubters should merely look at the actions of the Republican Party:
They have been trying to set up a permanent aristocracy and a governmental system where a few ultrarich familes control everything. Extreme variations in wealth are common among Third World countries.
They have been passing laws nationally trying to restrict the right to vote to rich male property owners knowing that restricting the right to vote is their only way to gain and then permanently maintain power
They have their own propaganda system and party controlled media.
They demonize opponents both real and imagined using that party controlled propaganda system.
They are trying to impose a state religion on people
They are getting rid of environmental, workplace safety, and other regulations.
They are working to get rid of the public school system.
They are using prejudice based upon race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation to try to gain and maintain power.
They are trying to ban birth control and prevent poor people from getting medical care.
In short, the Republican Party which Ann Coulter actively promotes is actively working to create such a Third World one party state – so Ann Coulter is not decrying it, but instead celebrating because the Republican plans are working.
About everything else, Ann Coulter is wrong about everything. And her writing is so bad that one can reasonably question whether she is in fact literate.
on July 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am
“Please explain what she is “right” about. And prepare to be humiliated.”
You’re not clever enough to do that. All you can do is shout invective at those proposing arguments you cannot refute.
When I look at Zimbabwe, I see a country that is absolutely devastated, and yet back in the 70s I loathed Ian Smith and longed for his ouster.
When I look at South Africa, I see a country that is going the same way as Bobby Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.
Liberals now tip-toe around both of these countries, and virtually no mention is made of just how far they’ve sunk.
Zimbabwe is ruled by a nutcase, suffers massive unemployment and hyper-inflation.
South Africa is ruled by a nincumpoop spoputing silly conspiracy theories about AIDS.
The place is wracked by unbelievable violence and since ’94 the country’s Jewish community has gone from some 140,000 indiviuals to less than 70,000.
I can remember visiting Detroit in the early 60s and noting how vibrant and wealthy it was.
It is now near backrupt, has lost 100s of 1000s of people, and is dotted with countless abandonned lots and rotting buildings. From 1st world to 3rd world in only a few decades
But of course, none of this could possibly have anything to do with certain population shifts, right?
You cannot see that, let alone state it because you’re a race hustler
on July 20th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Reynardine,
Talking about Ann Coulter, you claimed,
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She has also proposed invading Canada.
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Did she really?
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Dragon: yes, she did. It was in 2006, if memory serves me. I had the hard copy of that quote, but time having elapsed, I mislaid it. A search should find reference to it on line.
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Really, Evan, most of the regulars here could put that dried-up walnut you called a brain in the change pocket of their five-pocket jeans. You haven’t got a damned thing going for you but bellowing the same damned memes we’ve heard a thousand times before. You are, however, a hot contender for the Golden Hammerhead Award.
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Incidentially, almost serious people agree that California was destroyed by Proposition 13 and other anti-tax measures which have made it impossible to run their state government
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:33 am
By the way, Evan, I spent two years of graduate school living in Bedford Stuyvesant, and twelve years of my working life with co-workers almost all from Layin America. My students and clients were from everywhere.
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Latin America. Hard to proof on 1 1/2″ x 2 1/2″ screen (but I’m 68, and I do it.)
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Erika, I was there (and voted against it) when they had that thing on the ballot. I lived at 1920 California Avenue in Mountain View, then. It always struck me that that was the year this country started into reverse gear.
on July 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
The best way to describe Anne Coulter. She is definitely pretty poison and a pretty rotten of a person.What will she come up next? I do believe there is a hell. My question to Ms. Coulter is. What are you doing to do when you are surrounded by demons, who are burned up charred black.? Pretty scary isn’t it. To all you racist. If you choose to be a racist. Be prepare to pay the price in the afterlife.
on July 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
“By the way, Evan, I spent two years of graduate school living in Bedford Stuyvesant, and twelve years of my working life with co-workers almost all from Latin America. My students and clients were from everywhere.”
You’re very broad-mined…and your chest so puffed out!
Your two years spent in graduate school is very impressive!
on July 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
“I’m no fan of Coulter, but she can be right about some things.
One of the things I have noticed about critics her accuse her of racism is this; almost all live in comfy, lilly-white burbs.”
No, Ann Coulter is not right about anything and there have been lots of non-whites that accuse her of being racist.
“You’re not clever enough to do that. All you can do is shout invective at those proposing arguments you cannot refute.”
Actually, Ruslan is extremely clever at doing that. He has shut down white nationalists to the point where they don’t come back. Has anybody seen Jason Smith lately? And what has he not refuted? List them, please.
“When I look at Zimbabwe, I see a country that is absolutely devastated, and yet back in the 70s I loathed Ian Smith and longed for his ouster.
When I look at South Africa, I see a country that is going the same way as Bobby Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.
Liberals now tip-toe around both of these countries, and virtually no mention is made of just how far they’ve sunk.”
What does internal problems in Zimbabwe and South Africa have to do the internal problems in the United States? Nothing, really, but Nick Griffin-wannabes like you want to use them as examples of some sort collapse of the “great white race.” South Africa is still stable in many ways. Oh, hold up. How come you didn’t mention European countries like Greece, Spain, and Portugal being unstable with riots and economic collapses? Why are you ignoring them?
“Zimbabwe is ruled by a nutcase, suffers massive unemployment and hyper-inflation.
South Africa is ruled by a nincumpoop spoputing silly conspiracy theories about AIDS.
The place is wracked by unbelievable violence and since ‘94 the country’s Jewish community has gone from some 140,000 indiviuals to less than 70,000.”
Zimbabwe does have massive unemployment and hyperinflation. So does Spain and Greece and other European countries. What’s your point other than trying to convince yourself and others everybody that’s not white is less than? The AIDS conspiracy theory thing is true, but the government has created a major campaign to curtail AIDS and get rid of conspiracies. As for South African Jews, there have Jews leaving there countries of birth for Israel. Have you thought maybe they left because they’re proud of Israel?
“I can remember visiting Detroit in the early 60s and noting how vibrant and wealthy it was.
It is now near backrupt, has lost 100s of 1000s of people, and is dotted with countless abandonned lots and rotting buildings. From 1st world to 3rd world in only a few decades
But of course, none of this could possibly have anything to do with certain population shifts, right?”
Here we go with the “Detroit is bankrupt because of the people there” talk. You mean to tell me the bad economy, the loss of jobs, the recession, and the like have nothing to do with the city’s current state? You know, the same can be said about European countries like Romania, Greece, Spain, Ukraine, Russia, and even Ireland and those countries have a predominantly white population (I know what Ruslan will say about the white thing being a foreign concept.). But of course, you won’t because you’re a Tommy Robinson-wannabe.
“You cannot see that, let alone state it because you’re a race hustler”
Actually, the only the race hustler here is you due to your race baiting comments. I’ll let Ruslan take over from here if he wants to.
on July 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Very interesting about Ann Coulter. I have seen her on numrous TV shows and NEVER heard her say anything racist. I don’t think CA problems are not enough taxes or prop 13. Every socialist scheme in the world (USSR, Adolph Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il, Mao, Ho, Fidel etc has failed! CA is next and the USA not far behind all the western european countries. Obama’s brother lives in a hovel in Africa and the pres is a multi millionare. Somebody should remind him that charity begins at home, HIS HOME!
Erica, if you think the govt is the answer to poverty look at Chicago, Detroit and all the cities with large black populations. What they have in common other than dropping out of crappy schools and children without fathers is they ARE RUN BY THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY and it is NOT the republican party. Chicago is now the murder capital of the world! It is safer to fight in a war than to live in just the south side of Chicago.
on July 20th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
“Dammit, why we do we still got certain white people like Ann Coulter or Pat Buchanan who won’t just lay down already and embrace the multiracial hodge-podge that America is becoming?” That is the general vibe I see coming from here. But the question that I have for you is what exact positive do you see in this mass demographic displacement of whites? And please no “race is just artificial social construct” excuse or “with whites gone, America will finally become a Rainbow utopia.”. I want to know what are the genuine, practical benefits of America resembling places like South Africa, Guatemala or Honduras?
on July 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
“You’re not clever enough to do that. All you can do is shout invective at those proposing arguments you cannot refute.”
One need not be “clever” to smack down your sorry arguments. Observe.
“When I look at Zimbabwe, I see a country that is absolutely devastated, and yet back in the 70s I loathed Ian Smith and longed for his ouster.”
Yeah, so Zimbabwe’s problems are because it is run by black people. Brilliant!
“Liberals now tip-toe around both of these countries, and virtually no mention is made of just how far they’ve sunk.”
Until you come up with scientific proof showing the link between blackness and what happened to South Africa and Rhodesia, you ought to tip-toe around these questions yourself. After all, your critical thinking skills are far too low, if they exist at all, to comprehend why Africa has such problems.
“Zimbabwe is ruled by a nutcase, suffers massive unemployment and hyper-inflation.”
I don’t know if you heard but the US was run by a nutcase from 2001-2009 who caused massive unemployment. And he was in charge of a world economic power.
“South Africa is ruled by a nincumpoop spoputing silly conspiracy theories about AIDS.”
“Silly conspiracy” theories about AIDS can be found all over the world including in First World countries.
“The place is wracked by unbelievable violence and since ‘94 the country’s Jewish community has gone from some 140,000 indiviuals to less than 70,000.”
Yeah you sound like the kind of guy who is really concerned about the Jewish community.
“I can remember visiting Detroit in the early 60s and noting how vibrant and wealthy it was.
It is now near backrupt, has lost 100s of 1000s of people, and is dotted with countless abandonned lots and rotting buildings. From 1st world to 3rd world in only a few decades”
Yeah, that’s because of black people. It has nothing to do with neo-liberal economic policies, the massive movement of factories to Mexico and other countries, etc. Brilliant.
“But of course, none of this could possibly have anything to do with certain population shifts, right?”
No, it has to do with economics. If it didn’t how could you explain how the massively backward Russian empire went from total collapse to a major economic power in an unprecedented amount of time, surviving and recovering from the largest land invasion in history, but then collapsed into near 3rd world conditions in the 1990s? Eastern Europe is still largely “white” or “European,” yet it is far poorer than Western European nations which have a much higher ethnic mix.
“You cannot see that, let alone state it because you’re a race hustler”
Yeah? Well you’re a uh…. tablecloth….compressor!! A tablecloth compressor! See, I can make up meaningless words too!
And by the way, I’m “straight out the barrio” so good luck pulling your “you live in the white suburbs” canard. Son, I was smacking down pathetic arguments like that when you were first choosing you Stormfront avatar, so you need to get a little more creative.
on July 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Evan, you are falling to the level of dumb invective. If someone doesn’t fit your parameter of a “liberal living in a lily-white neighborhood”, then you insult them how you can.
One year of my graduate career, I lived in a far crumbier neighborhood than that. It wasn’t black. I got my degree. And now, walnut-brain, since the size of my chest isn’t possibly your concern, why don’t you take your tantrums back to Moonfront Republic, where they are socially acceptable.
on July 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Evan sounds like a CCC member or James Nutwards/Political Cesspool fanboy. I think they scour the net for articles that reference the CCC to put their ‘arguments’ in the comments section. It seems every article from a non-racist site winds up with formulaic pro-CCC comments of the “Zimbabwe+South Africa+Detroit=See my racism is justified” sort.
You know, Evan, in Zimbabwe I see a corrupt autocrat who ruined the national economy through mismanagement, patronage and corruption. The only way Mugabe hangs on to power is through brute force, as a majority of Zimbabwe’s people have made it abundantly clear that he does not speak for them.
In South Africa I see a leader trying his hardest to move his country forward and lower it’s crime rate through economic empowerment of it’s people. Though Zuma does often rhetorically fly off the handle (he is a lifelong ANC organizer, not a typical politician groomed for giving speeches) he is very popular in his country as a straight-talking reformer. There is no evidence to your claims that South Africa is “going to end up like Zimbabwe”.
As a lifelong midwesterner, I have had the opportunity to learn a lot about Detroit and have several ex-Detroiters as friends. If you bothered to do some research, you would know that economic changes that started soon after WWII as well as shortsighted economic and race relations policies by two Republican mayors ultimately did Detroit in. The economic decline was apparent as soon as the mid-fifties after the closure of plants such as Packard and Studebaker to name a few. In the 1960s the new mayor Joseph Cavanaugh made great effort to take the city in a new direction, but it was still not enough to avert the rioting in 1967 and the exodus of people and wealth that followed.
Evan, there are logical explanations to the things you put out. Why do you see these through such a white supremacist lens?
on July 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
For those who what to talk about Coulter’s right/wrong record: This is a woman who told a Canadian journalist that Canada intervened militarily in the Vietnam conflict, and continued to argue the point when he corrected her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84EjWeTMBZs
on July 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
the hammerheads are out in force today. apparently they are upset because someone dared to criticize their dream girl Ann Coulter by daring to post her own words.
and Thomas, I suspect that you never heard Coulter say anything racist because your pointed hood is covering your ears. I don’t know what explains your extreme ignorance about everything but it probably has soemthing to do with seeing someone like Coulter as a reliable source of information :P
on July 20th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Evan, there are logical explanations to the things you put out.
I’ve had family living in Detroit since the 20s
Everyone knows what happened to the city and why it is now circling the drain.
I suppose Zimbabwe and “Sith” Africa are now doing likewise because their cities had lousy mayors and because their automobile industries tanked.
What kind of reality do you inhabit?
And yes, there ARE logical explanations for what has happened, but articulating logical explanations can sometimes take a great deal of courage, something you’re a little short of
The painful consequences of America’s rapidly changing demographics will soon be felt…IN the pocketbook.
So don’t say you weren’t warned.
on July 20th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Friday afternoon here. I think Evan is headed for the Gold Hammerhead.
And, Evan, if you ever peek up the provocatively hiked skirt of your hulking dream girl, you might get an unpleasant surprise.
on July 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
“I don’t know if you heard but the US was run by a nutcase from 2001-2009 who caused massive unemployment.”
Things are so much better now.
“Yeah you sound like the kind of guy who is really concerned about the Jewish community.”
And you do?
“Russian empire went from total collapse to a major economic power in an unprecedented amount of time, surviving and recovering from the largest land invasion in history,”
Yes the miracle of communism!
Ruslan hearts “Dear Leader” Stalin!
Demographic changes brought about the Soviet Union’s demise. Please read “L’empire Eclate” by Hélène Carrère d’Encausse for more info. It will also give you some insight as to what’s now happening to America.
“Eastern Europe is still largely “white” or “European,” yet it is far poorer than Western European nations which have a much higher ethnic mix.”
Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are just going gang-busters.
That will soon be the case for both France and Britian as well.
“I was smacking down pathetic arguments like that when you were first choosing you Stormfront avatar, so you need to get a little more creative.”
Have the courage of your convictions you bloviating old commie and go live in Detroit.
Or Zimbabwe.
Creative enough?
“I’m “straight out the barrio”
More like “straight out of the bar”.
You’ve the angry prose so typical of drunken, jaded leftists.
Now go back to guarding the gulag.
And stop knawing on your keyboard.
on July 20th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Evan your “logical explanation” is completly and totally illogical to anyone who does not get together with their friends for a cross barbeque looking like people who couldn’t figure out how to make a proper ghost costume for Halloween.
on July 20th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Thomas and Herbert –
I rather doubt that there is much that anyone can say to change your minds (although I do wish to note, Thomas, that Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo weren’t socialists — they were fascists). All I can say is that I work in a lot of different communities in which I interview and work closely with a lot of people (I am an environmental consultant, but a large part of my job involves working with people to get information on old dump sites and providing them with information and ensuring that their feedback is heard and considered regarding permitting and the cleanup of contaminated sites[this is call public involvement]).
With a few notable exceptions, most people are, once you get them one-on-one or in a small group, intelligent and willing to work with others. This cuts across race, ethnicity, age, and income. I do find, however, that certain social structures, which basically involve exclusion (not always along racial or ethnic lines — more often over income or length of time in the community), lead to a heck of a lot more strife — and entrenched strife — than there needs to be.
After 20 some years of doing this work I have realized that some communities possess positive templates of behavior for addressing serious issues — and some do not. Again, this isn’t tied to race and ethnicity. What it takes are people with the political will to reach out and say, “how can we fix this?” I’ve seen this in “white” upper-class communities, in “white,” lower-income communities facing gang incursions, in predominantly African American or Hispanic communities or neighborhoods, in rural areas, and the like.
I have also seen the opposite — blame-throwing, discord, and a further descent into problems — in both upper-income and lower-income areas (FYI — I grew up in an upper-income area and this place was in many ways a disaster in terms of planning or addressing issues because so many of the people were attorneys, CEO types, or millionaires and they were all totally sure they were right. It is well-known to be one of the worst-run towns in the state).
Are there bad people? A criminal element? Yes — although it is often a rather small percentage of a given population. Again — you can find them in ANY community.
What I would say to you is that you can either work to find solutions and support those who wish to do so, or you can add to the rhetoric of blaming, hate, and discord and exacerbate the problem. That’s your choice. What is unfortunate is that hate language, blame throwing, intolerance, etc. DOES have an effect on people that can make the process of actually solving problems that much more difficult.
You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution — it’s your choice.
on July 20th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Will wait a bit, but think our Hammerhead awards are already apparent.
on July 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Evan your “logical explanation” is completly and totally illogical to anyone who does not get together with their friends for a cross barbeque looking like people who couldn’t figure out how to make a proper ghost costume for Halloween.
Gee…are those allusions to the KKK Erika?
You’re so smart and original!
The fact California is going bankrupt is a detail, right?
As a former leftist, I know that when berift of arguments leftists will always resort to simply insulting their opponent.
Are you doing a masters in social work?
on July 20th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
No, Evan,, I’m an attorney :)
I learned about why California is going bankrupt while in law school – it is because some rich people in Orange County didn’t want to pay taxes and got several laws passed – the most damaging is Proposition 13 which directly led to the real estate bubble in California (because of the massive tax savings and enabling people to keep the tax saving by leaving real property in the family there was a massive shortage of available houses causing the prices to skyrocket). California law also makes it virtually impossible to raise taxes which prevents any sort of budget management.
Add in costly policies like the Three Strikes law and California is in seriously deep trouble due to the types of policies which Mitt Romney and the Republicans want to take nationally.
And sweetie, if the pointed hood fits, wear it :P
on July 20th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I rather doubt that there is much that anyone can say to change your minds (although I do wish to note, Thomas, that Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo weren’t socialists — they were fascists).
No, Hitler WAS a socialist, a national socialist.
Thomas Haynes observations are cities with large Black populations are accurate.
Chicago has become an extremely violent city and almost all of the violence is Black on Black.
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on July 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Evan, you have not done a Goddamn thing but insult your opponants. We’re tired of mopping up your drool. You’ve won the Gold Hammerhead. Now, take it home, perform biological functions, and don’t appear in public again until you’ve been properly socialized.
on July 20th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
~”Evan said,
on July 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Evan your “logical explanation” is completly and totally illogical to anyone who does not get together with their friends for a cross barbeque looking like people who couldn’t figure out how to make a proper ghost costume for Halloween.”~
-”Gee…are those allusions to the KKK Erika?” (Why yes it is! See how easy it is pass basic logic when you step out into the world beyond the local trailer trash park?:)
-”You’re so smart and original!” (Yes, she is so much so you couldn’t come up with a legitimate retort and have two blue balls lodged in your throat. MORE brilliance!)
“The fact California is going bankrupt is a detail, right?”
~And the fact that America is still 60% self-identified white Caucasians that control the vast majority of the media, political, economic, academic and other institutions has nothing to do with our current Great Recession as a nation, no? Not that matters, but the majority of people on Welfare and Social Programs are white and yet most of the state governors regardless will refuse stimulus or government intervention to problems much outsized for their abilities simply because the Big Cheese in the White House concurrently is of a Mocha Latte hue. United ‘we’ stand, and those that disagree or can’t take care of themselves, go f*** yourselves, indeed!)
“As a former leftist, I know that when berift of arguments leftists will always resort to simply insulting their opponent.
Are you doing a masters in social work?”
~Project and lack self-awareness much radical reich crusader? In your mind, I’m sure the the provocateurs @ Faux Schnooze are also too left and liberal in the red moon’s chance they retract an error in reporting live. Maybe you should try getting your Master’s in a similar field; it could do wonder for those wonderfully vacant social skills and reality disconnect so obvious in your tone. Need to get out and do more (good) for this precious world of ours, Mr. Evon…
on July 20th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Evan:
I’ve had family living in Detroit since the 20s
Everyone knows what happened to the city and why it is now circling the drain.
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I know that there are a lot of bigots in Grosse Point Shores that crow about how the “blacks done it” but that doesn’t change the fact that every objective (read: non-racist) person and study of Detroit comes to the same conclusion: Detroit’s downfall was economic one. If you take family supporting jobs out of a community and don’t replace them of course the community is going to be a poor, run-down, depopulating and generally miserable place. This is something playing out all over the midwest.
By the way, at the beginning of Detroit’s collapse whites were the majority. So by your “logic” Detroit’s current state would be the product of some kind of problem intrinsic to white people then wouldn’t it?
Nice attempt to side-step being called on your ignorance on South Africa, but I never typed “Sith Africa”.
on July 20th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Also, I’m curious enought to ask to frequent posters but especially the ones that agree with this proto-Mein Kampf claptrap:
Is the fact that the U.S. has, is and will continue to be for some time longer a demographically white dominated nation all this time have any correlation to the major social, political and historical challenges that have so often occured? Since they also happen to have domionion in education, wealth distribution and employment rates, in comparison to any ethnic or racial minority? Enquiring minds would like to know…
In the mean time, we can rest easier knowing the ghoulish Queen of Hate Ann’s post-mortem love affair with the Savior of Wingnuts, Joe McCarthy, will never produce physical offspring to further ravish a a cruel and broken world.
on July 20th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Evan appears to be just another Jason-bot. Same cut and paste sources, nothing we haven’t heard before. As for being “geniuses”, it is only when compared to you, “Evan”.
on July 20th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
I came to this thread expecting an apologia for the visible black hand of economics. It’s a hard argument to make. I’m also a former leftist, because at some point, the institutional racism / white privilege argument just doesn’t cut it any more.
But why do we need to justify our existence in economic terms? Isn’t the fact that white people exist justification enough for white people existing? What have white people done to lose our right to exist?
It seems that the argument against forced integration would be easier to make if there weren’t obvious disparities in achievement.
on July 21st, 2012 at 2:08 am
“Things are so much better now.”
That’s not the point, genius. You talked about other countries in economic ruin and run by nut-cases. I merely pointed out that even the most advanced countries, despite all their advantages, can have the same problems of leadership.
“Yes the miracle of communism!
Ruslan hearts “Dear Leader” Stalin!”
I’m sorry but I thought that you said that WE can’t form logical arguments and refute your claims, thus we resort to name calling and non-sequiters. It seems to me that’s all you’re doing here.
I hate to break your heart but the economic rise of the USSR is not a debatable fact.
“Demographic changes brought about the Soviet Union’s demise. Please read “L’empire Eclate” by Hélène Carrère d’Encausse for more info. It will also give you some insight as to what’s now happening to America.”
Nope, sorry. The only compelling demographic argument for the collapse of the USSR involves the effects of the war, and even that is doubtful. It seems like you are trying to make the argument that the collapse of the USSR had some kind of racial component to it, which would make you a complete moron if that is the case.
“Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are just going gang-busters.”
Brilliant! Pick the countries in the worst trouble and ignore the UK, Germany, France, Norway, Finland, Belgium, the US, Canada, etc. Go ask any Russian if they would prefer to live their life in Russia or move to Spain or Italy. See what happens.
“That will soon be the case for both France and Britian as well.”
And your brilliant analysis says this happened not because of the EU or massive bailouts but because….dark people. Right.
“Have the courage of your convictions you bloviating old commie and go live in Detroit.
Or Zimbabwe.
Creative enough?”
Nope, pretty standard fare.
“More like “straight out of the bar”.”
Again, I thought we were the ones who couldn’t argue and resorted to name calling. And then this.
“You’ve the angry prose so typical of drunken, jaded leftists.
Now go back to guarding the gulag.
And stop knawing on your keyboard.”
Sounds like wittle baby WN is upset because he thought his canned arguments off of Stormfront weren’t as bulletproof as he thought. Cry, WN, cry.
on July 21st, 2012 at 10:48 am
“Things are so much better now.” – Evan
No, but we could’ve had a depression due to GWB’s actions. Of course, it doesn’t matter who’s in office.
“And you do?” – Evan
Do you care about the Jews? You do know WNs don’t consider Jews white, right?
“Ruslan hearts “Dear Leader” Stalin!
Demographic changes brought about the Soviet Union’s demise. Please read “L’empire Eclate” by Hélène Carrère d’Encausse for more info. It will also give you some insight as to what’s now happening to America.” – Evan
Are you talking about white ethnic groups? Because there were no blacks in the former Soviet Union. As for why the Soviet Union collapsed, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....viet_Union It had nothing to do with what you’re claiming.
“Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are just going gang-busters.
That will soon be the case for both France and Britian as well.” – Evan
So you admit those countries have problems because of economics? So why say non-European countries have problems because of their skin color?
“Have the courage of your convictions you bloviating old commie and go live in Detroit.
Or Zimbabwe.
Creative enough?” – Evan
How about you go live in Greece? Or Spain? Or Russia? See if you don’t get your ass hit by rubber bullet.
“More like “straight out of the bar”.
You’ve the angry prose so typical of drunken, jaded leftists.
Now go back to guarding the gulag.
And stop knawing on your keyboard.” – Evan
Yeah, and you’re a typical WN dipshit. Go back to kissing Nick Griffin’s ass.
“That is the general vibe I see coming from here. But the question that I have for you is what exact positive do you see in this mass demographic displacement of whites? And please no “race is just artificial social construct” excuse or “with whites gone, America will finally become a Rainbow utopia.”. I want to know what are the genuine, practical benefits of America resembling places like South Africa, Guatemala or Honduras?”
What are the benefits of the opposite of your question? White people aren’t the same. Even if you had this scenario of yours, you’ll still have problems like ethnic and cultural divisions (the Russians and the Polish still don’t like each other), violence (the white dude that killed 12 people in a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado), and economic downturns (Europe).
on July 21st, 2012 at 10:59 am
“Gee…are those allusions to the KKK Erika?
You’re so smart and original!
The fact California is going bankrupt is a detail, right?” – Evan
Well, you certainly aren’t smart or original. California went bankrupt because of the skin color of its inhabitants? Can you show how they relate and how economics and politics don’t play a role?
“As a former leftist, I know that when berift of arguments leftists will always resort to simply insulting their opponent.
Are you doing a masters in social work?” – Evan
You threw out insults yourself. You cannot read your own comments, high and mighty?
“I’ve had family living in Detroit since the 20s
Everyone knows what happened to the city and why it is now circling the drain.” – Evan
Right, and that’s because of jobs going overseas and politicians plundering the economy. Why don’t you stop pretending to be a U.S. citizen?
“I suppose Zimbabwe and “Sith” Africa are now doing likewise because their cities had lousy mayors and because their automobile industries tanked.
What kind of reality do you inhabit?” – Evan
So why are European nations in trouble even though they’re still mostly white? You cannot prove that skin color equals a nation having a bad economy. What reality do YOU inhabit?
“And yes, there ARE logical explanations for what has happened, but articulating logical explanations can sometimes take a great deal of courage, something you’re a little short of” – Evan
You can’t articulate anything with your bad grammar and spelling. Use spellcheck next time.
“The painful consequences of America’s rapidly changing demographics will soon be felt…IN the pocketbook.
So don’t say you weren’t warned.”
The economy is bad because of jobs going overseas, politicians bailing out banks and giving a damn about people, and jobs not being created. How does skin color play a role? You still haven’t proved it.
on July 21st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Evan-
“As a former leftist, I know that when berift of arguments leftists will always resort to simply insulting their opponent.”
You’ve been using this strategy yourself with exchanges on this thread, evidently because you are bereft of arguments. Your point appears to be that detrimental social changes in Zimbabwe, South Africa, and Detroit have been brought on by shifts in leadership (to that of a nutcase and a “nincumpoop”) or “certain population shifts”, which together presumably are boiled down in your mind to “race”. Two very reasonable arguments were raised that contradicted your racist attributions, that is, that (a) nutcase and nincompoop leaders come in all skin hues, and (b) social and infrastructural decay can more reasonably be attributed to economics (population shifts are far more often occasioned by shifts in economic policies than the other way around, incidentally). Your response to these arguments was to insult by sarcasm (“you’re so smart and original!”) or by name-calling (“commie”, “drunken leftist” etc.) and not directly answer them at all.
If the only support you can provide for your hypothesis is nostalgia and insults, you can’t be taken seriously.
on July 21st, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I am glad that I live in a diverse city in California with people from many different countries living and working together somehow. Of course there are problems as in any community. But, far from being bankrupt the economy is thriving and adding jobs. It’s no. 1 in the nation now for new job growth. The State of California is not going bankrupt.
Evan,
You are insulting to your opponents.
on July 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Here it is, folks! For repeat performances of exceptional stupidity and unimaginative nastiness, Evan has won the Gold and Silver Hammerheads (Don’t get excited, Evan, you’re not rich. They’re very cheap plate over lead)!
Having considered the recommendations of my colleagues and RTP’s suggestions of censoring the Internet, a Bronze to him despite an otherwise routine appearance.
Anvils for patient and persistant performances over several threads go to Coral Sea (Gold) and ADM and CM (shared Silvers), with a bronze to Identity H for showing promise. A special Iron Anvil is awarded to Ruslan, for standing up to focussed malicious attacks. We love you, you “drunken old Commie”, you.
Guardian, not even a tinfoil Hammer pin. You’re not impressive.
Until next week!
P. S. Evan, I’d like to see these “pears of wisdom” you accused me of. My pear trees won’t even fruit in this heat.
on July 21st, 2012 at 6:07 pm
As there have been no fine legal points this week, Sharkies are held in reserve.
on July 22nd, 2012 at 6:03 am
Evan, I suspect that you were only a former leftist according to the insane definition posed earlier by your comrad in ignorance Thomas.
and honey, its not insulting you to say that you are an ignorant racist – its a description. Yet another thing that you do not know :P
on July 22nd, 2012 at 6:08 am
btw, what is wrong with having a master’s in social work? Some of my best friends have masters in social work.
But seriously, your idea of an insult is to say your opponents are educated???
on July 22nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
“I came to this thread expecting an apologia for the visible black hand of economics. It’s a hard argument to make. I’m also a former leftist, because at some point, the institutional racism / white privilege argument just doesn’t cut it any more.”
Oh yes, you’re all former leftists. How convenient. But actually white privilege and institutional racism are tied in with economics, and specifically class antagonisms, so they do “cut it.”
“But why do we need to justify our existence in economic terms? Isn’t the fact that white people exist justification enough for white people existing? What have white people done to lose our right to exist?”
Nobody is trying to wipe out “white people.”
“It seems that the argument against forced integration would be easier to make if there weren’t obvious disparities in achievement.”
No wonder you wish to abstract away those things such as institutional racism and white supremacy. That way the disparities in achievement can be blamed on people solely for their race and not history and other concrete, measurable things.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 am
Oh, these Hammerheads always claim to be former leftists, former liberals, former atheists, etc. It’s supposed to make us think they’ve seen the light, which was actually the glare of their transformers going blooey from a surge beyond their capacity.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 am
Evan –
I can’t believe that you actually stated that Hitler was not a facist, but a socialist, because his party was called the “National Socialists.” People can call themselves anything they want — I don’t think that there is anyone (other than you, apparently) who doesn’t view Hitler and Nazi Germany as facist.
Really — do consider seeing a doctor.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 am
Reynardine –
Thank you for the Gold Anvil. I’m glad I was able to produce some “pears of wisdom,” although I think they were more like “cucumbers of common sense!”
on July 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 am
The destruction of the ozone layer is likely to make people a lot less white. Twenty years back, in October, a friend of mine and I, who considered ourselves badly faded, went to Salem, Mass. If we had ever seen really *white* people before, we couldn’t recall it. But as we stood in line for the Essex Museum, we looked around us, the next shade lighter than what we saw was corpse. We felt like a couple of Caribbean pirates.
That was then. As the globe heats and the ozone thins, those people are going to look like us and thicker, darker, tougher hides will be favored. Oddly enough, the same types touting the superiority of white skins are the very ones blocking any effort to halt the planetary changes that favor darker ones.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
I am no advocate for the conservative policies of the American Right, nor the Left for that matter. Both it seems rely on oversimplistic, easily captured sound bites that appeal to their followers and follow a tiresome, predictable course.
For the right, its about culture, not race. Racism, and competition among racial groups is an inevitable by product of pluralistic, multi-cultural societies in a neo-liberal corporate-state. Every winner produces a loser.
For the progressive left, if all you have is a hammer, then every problem is a nail. If every societal woe is traced to endemic racism, then you are left with dealing with the “effect” and not the “cause” of societal inequality, competition, and strife.
Academics are frequently criticized for living in ivory towers, disconnected from real world events and conditions (not always unjustified by the way) but more often than not they spend time peeling back the layers of events and conditions to seek a “first cause” or underlying idea that directly led to current state of affairs.
The best book out there that examines immigration, legal and illegal, on California is “Mexifornia, A State of Becoming” by Professor Hanson, Cal State Fresno. It is an excellent, sympathetic evaluation of the effects of demographic change on the American Southwest and its long term impact on politics, society, and economics.
Digging beyond the sound bites and opinions is hard work, and I don’t see anyone on the right or progressive liberals on this forum taking the time to look at the complexity of demographic and cultural change on Western society, its winners and losers, and long term implications for the US and Europe.
Much easier it seems to heap insults and invective on your opponents than engage on the idea level.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Just travel to places where whites already are a minority. No whites want to live there and none are lining up to move there. Examples: Detroit (or any major US city with large black or hispanic population), Haiti, Sao Pablo Brazil, Zimbabwe, South Africa. The same is true all over the world. Whites have fled neighborhoods in Britain where non-whites have taken over. Same is true in Canada. Any white person with a brain can see that America will not be a good place to live if whites become a minority.
Ruslan, Aron, and all the other posters here can not name a single majority black or hispanic area they would want to live in. Whites FLEE these areas. They can not name a single neighborhood that has been ‘strengthened’ by the introduction of blacks or hispanics. Diversity is not a ‘strength’. They can’t name a single city that has turned black or hispanic where whites are clamoring to move to. The opposite is true.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Wow. What you miss when you’re gone for a few days. I am sorry that you lost your white utopia. The utopia that Rush says that the leftists are shooting for – you had.
1. For 400 years you had black slaves; for work, sex, and “child rearing”.
2. You had child labor. After the blacks reared them you put them to work. But hey, the Iris couldn’t afford to send them to school anyway right?
3. You had women pregnant 9 months out of every year, barefoot, broke, broken. Too bad you couldn’t accuse them of witchcraft anymore.
4. You didn’t have to speaka-da-spanish, you just paid them in “Pesos” and they went away at the end of the day to work on their cars, creases and suspender – right?
5. And you could just take anything, from any Native American, in existence, then send them to Florida and Oklahoma.
Damm, damm, damm, sorry about your damm luck.
Sorry to say it but I think you had a pretty good run. I think you’re just mad because now you have to compete with the people you used to beat the hell out of.
…and they haven’t forgot… Big Smile :)
on July 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Annie:
I have a hard time believing that segregation is the answer. What I am reading is that White People have a better track record of success than non-Whites. Allow me to retort:
Of course you are referring to us, now. Please see history, in that, the longest surviving empires are not white, i.e., the Ottoman Empire and the Byzantine Empire. The USA is only 250+ years old. That is a drop in the bucket, a really little drop, in a really big bucket.
How can you justify your theory anyway? The only way you can be succcessful is by oppressing other cultures? Really?
If you measure success by the size of your stick. I gotta tell you, it was doomed to fail due to the “size” of your stick.
Bullying only lasts so long. What you’re really saying is that Whites are superior, so just come out and say it.
Oh, and please see “The Wild and Wonderful World of the Whites of West Virginia”??? That just fills me with hope for White America.
If you seriously believe in your theory I think you will see that poor white people have the same issues that poor black people do.
And poor white areas are just as abundant as poor black and latin areas are, they just don’t garner as much media attention, because they not so much as scary, as they are funny. :)
If you don’t bellieve me, I bet you a buffalo nickel that the backwoods and mountains of Appalachia will rival the mean streets of North Houston any day of the week, and twice after you get out of Church.
Anything else is just propaganda to make yourselves feel better about being what you really are on the inside. And sometimes, that shows on the outside.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Annie –
Washington D.C. has, since the 1980s since I lived there and it was predominantly black, gone predominantly white. Whether gentrification is a good thing depends on the degree to which changes displace people. I know that a number of neighborhoods in Chicago have gone back and forth; this is the case in a number of cities I’ve worked in (e.g., South Houston area). Economics is often a much stronger issue than race.
The neighborhood I live in now is predominantly white (65-70% what the average citizen would call white). The other neighbors include African-American, Latinos from various countries, East Asians (Chinese, Korean, Pakistani, Indian). We manage to get along without killing each other — and if property values have ever suffered due to, ah, “activities,” it was the pit-bull owning, meth-cooking “white” people down the block (who were busted by the SWAT team) or the “white” attorney and his hideous spawn who throw raucus parties that result in beer cans all over the place, used condoms (icky-poo), and party-goers spread-eagled face down on various front lawns (including my own) when the cops show up. And then you find joints in the bushes the next day where the party-goers had flung them.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Annie, you a sock puppet? I lived in all of those kinds of neighborhoods. So did a number of the rest of us. We said so. The vilest neighbors I ever had were white, and so were the trashiest people I ever knew. I can think of a hell of a lot of ethnically motley people I’d rather have for neighbors than you. And now, since I don’t have the Anvil patience of the more commendable among us, please shut your little ragdoll mouth before the sawdust falls out of your soft little head.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Oh, poop, Deep Ecology is back. Folks, just have recourse to the Summer Intelligence Report of 2010, where they’ll explain all about these greenwashed bigots. I have no ****ing patience.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Annie, yet when I lived in NW DC, I was in a majority black neighborhood and nearly all of my friends were black. Also, many were hispanic.
I’m Jewish, so I don’t even classify as ‘white.’
How ’bout them apples?
on July 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Joseph speaks absolute truth. No captive, formerly enslaved or exploited, or historical racial/ethnic underclass, once given power behaves magnanimously towards the former ruling class.
In the study of conflict, ethnic, political or socio-economic, the competition for resources, and the unleashing of repressed feelings of resentment inevitably lead to social division and unrest.
It would be insightful considering the tone of Joseph’s message, whether progressive white liberals believe the transition from a white majority to minority won’t simply result in a new oppressor class of non-western, non-whites?
on July 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Reynardine, I have missed you! Never confused by the facts, nor lacking in confidence in your own opinion, no matter how outlandish. (how is your tracking of the great right wing Republican fascist conspiracy going? I heard, on the internet of course, how those secret FEMA camps for conservative conspiracy theorists is REALLY the initial construction of right wing death camps for liberals and people of color, Ruben saw it himself on google maps) Just like to pop in now and then and shine a little light in the dark corners of the internet liberal intellectual desert.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Hey, I have an idea, you can look at it like this…the next time you “discover” a country, don’t make it a free society. That way, when your slaves “rise up against you” they’ll have to leave. Yeah, think about that one, I’m just trying to help you here.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Deep Ecology, anywhere you are is a desert…an intellectual one. On this occasion, you have managed to litter it with garbage (whoops) gibberish, as well.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Reynardine, Aron:
Ok, good. You two go off and you do that.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Just for giggles I am going to add that RICH white people can sometimes be incredibly appalling (and do things that others would not). I grew up in such an area, although I prefer not to name it here, but it was a horsey enclave of “old money.” I remember when some interloping parveneau (Nouveau Riche) person who was very “visible” in crass ways with his money went broke, his mansion was repossessed, and his family’s possessions (including his kids’ possessions — it was awful — I used to go riding (horses) with his daughter) were tossed out onto the side of the road, Mercedes, Cadillacs, Bentleys, and trucks (horrid old trucks were actually the real status symbol of the monied “country” class) showed up and the fine residents looted much of this unfortunate family’s belongings and thought it was hilariously funny.
Granted — this can happen anywhere, but the zeal with which it occurred in this case was ungodly obscene.
Then there were the rich people (and they actually were old money) who had these awesome garage sales, who, in fact, were running a multi-state burglary ring on the side with their wastoid son (another classmate) and fencing some of the stuff and–just for the thrill of it–selling some of it at their own garage sales.
Then there were the cases of rich people with kids who rode horses on the “A” eventing circuit ($100,000 horses back in the 1970s when I rode) who would sabotage/injure other kid’s horses or saddles so their kids would have a better chance. I rode for a rather competitive individual (my parents were real mean and wouldn’t pop for a $100,000 Dutch Warmblood, so I had to ride for other people) (YES –I AM EXTREMELY ASHAMED THAT I WAS MAD ABOUT THIS AT THE TIME, but I was a dumb kid who didn’t know about the money thing. Fortunately, I have been downwardly mobile ever since.)
One girl against whom I was competing had misplaced her riding crop and was about to go on to ride, and I gave her mine. The guy I was riding for (BTW — I was 13 at the time) went ballistic and started screaming at me and telling me I was an idiot because you never, ever, helped out another competitor. Really–would you yell at a little girl? Fortunately, I won the class anyway, but it was one of those horrible moments when you realize that everyone isn’t nice.
There are other icky examples of rich “white” people behaving badly, but I think I’ve proven my point. I am still good friends with a few people I knew during my riding days, but frankly, I fit in a lot better with working class people. One thing that many people don’t understand is that it takes a lot of character and a lot of effort to avoid being an a-hole when you are rich and privileged. I find that I like the view — and myself — a lot better among people who aren’t catered to and don’t automatically believe–strike that, KNOW–that they are the bee’s knees when they are really the horse’s ass.
People are people, and you can find both idiots and jerks and really wonderful, caring people (and everything in between) in ALL social and economic strata. Also FYI — money is great (I could use some of it now), but it really doesn’t make you happy. Ask my mother — she’s always cranky and miserable (which was why they wouldn’t buy me a $100,000 horse).
on July 23rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Reading this sophomoric nonsense makes me glad that l don’t live in America. But l do wish these brain-dead “patriots” & their popguns would start the “revolution,” because they’ll all be dead in 30 days and this nonsense will stop.
on July 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Hahaha, wow!!! Even after all this yapping and rambling later, and none of you “enlightened” ones have yet to actually answer my question. I think your non-answers and silence speaks for itself.
on July 24th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Something Coulter and the paleo-bigots who’ve been posting on this thread seem to have forgotten: Like the rest of the Southwest, California was a Hispanic-majority region when the U.S. illegally “annexed” it by conquest.
on July 24th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Annie, I already did. Not that your attempt at an insult even made any sense…
on July 24th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Herbert,
I think CoralSea did a pretty decent job of explaining why your question wasn’t worth answering. But you can certainly keep thinking we’re all willingly ignoring you.
If that’s what keeps you warm at night, go for it.
on July 24th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Annie: go and do what? Sweep up your sawdust? Herbert, did you say something?
Tuesday. Lots of time for newer, more original competitors to appear.
on July 24th, 2012 at 9:24 am
How does someone like Annie explain a city like Johnstown, Pennsylvania – or the state of West Virginia?
on July 24th, 2012 at 9:30 am
“Ruslan, Aron, and all the other posters here can not name a single majority black or hispanic area they would want to live in. Whites FLEE these areas. They can not name a single neighborhood that has been ’strengthened’ by the introduction of blacks or hispanics. Diversity is not a ’strength’. They can’t name a single city that has turned black or hispanic where whites are clamoring to move to. The opposite is true.”
Annie, I’ve heard this argument dozens of times, basically it’s a childish false dichotomy which states: “Either accept the illogical belief that people’s skin color and facial features determine the economic situation of their respective countries, OR MOVE TO ZIMBABWE! Otherwise you’re a hypocrite.”
I’m sorry, but this is moronic. I live in a mostly “white” country which many white and non-white people prefer not to live in. Many of the “white” natives will do nearly anything to leave.
on July 24th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Miami, Florida, was immensely improved by the Hispanic influx. Before that (mid/late Fifties) we had the dullest, whitebread good old boys you can feature. The Cuban influx meant anyone who wanted could get a cup of coffee that worked, you could get old cars and sewing machines fixed, there were restaurants that offered food that tasted like something, and you worked in places where your boss brought *you* coffee. Music livened up, the people around you were full of pranks and jokes, and instead of being treated by snotty salesladies like freaks whose clothes didn’t fit, round-bottomed girls felt truly appreciated. What later ran my poor county into the ground wasn’t any ethnic change but gross overdevelopment. If I could go back to the way it was in 1973, I’d get away from all the local “ril uhMericun” inbreeders and be home like a shot.
on July 24th, 2012 at 11:32 am
FOR THOSE OF YOU trying to save your version of America. I have elaborated, un-intellectually (if that is a word) so you can all understand, that your arguments are hogwash. Black Ghettos prove nothing. Please feel free to Google the following:
1. The Five Points, NYC.
Ghettos were “ghettos” well before they were black, that’s not a black invention, not by any means.
2. William “Curly Bill” Brocius and “The Cowboys”. It’s not just a movie you know.
Gangsters and crime have existed well before black people were even free in the US. So that is not a black invention either.
3. Illegal Drug manufacturing in the US.
I have yet to find one black drug dealer who created Cocaine, Meth, or even grew his own marijuana. I’m not related to anyone who can tell me how to go down to the local store and walk out with the ingredients to manufacture Meth.
Answer me this: How much income is still generated by illegal alchohol manufacturing? My uncles never owned a moonshine still.
For that matter, what is NASCAR and how did it begin? You guys turned evading arrest into a sport.
CASE IN POINT
Ann “Coture” is so right, you guys were doing just fine before Black and hispanic people were able to do something for themselves.
We messed it all up – because now you have to share the profits…tell the truth, that’s what it is right?
Yeah capitalism, until some “colored” runs you out of business. Even the black markets are fair game.
But “good sense” does not apply to your line of thinking, you just want someone to point your finger at and say “There goes the problem.” “It’s not my fault, we don’t want to live there.”
Well I got news for you. We want you to move out to the country anyway. Looks like it’s working too.
Have a nice life being chased by spiders, mountain lions and bears…oh my.
We won’t follow you out there, I guarantee you that.
on July 24th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Ruslan, I always appreciate your perspective.
“white flight” from neighborhoods transitioning is a well established phenomena. Most whites simply prefer the environment and schools dominated by their own ethnic make-up.
Racism or cultural preference or a mix of both? I think many whites would never consciously admit to having feelings of discomfort around other ethnic groups, but I don’t believe it is conscious racism vis a vis the old south or apartheid South Africa.
My brother and I have made the decision to return to Germany. He upon retirement from government service and me to take a teaching position. We are second generation American’s with extensive family ties there and have found that we just prefer to live among our cultural and ethnic brethren, and an abiding disgust for the lack of high culture in America.
Germanic Europe is seeing a resurgence of the New Right, and we are ardent supporters (as is our family) of the Freedom Party in Austria, poised to achieve significant election gains soon. We are positively encouraged by the support of the under 30 demographic in both Germany and Austria for the Freedom Party and hope it signals an abandonment of progressive liberalism and a return to nationalism and pan-German unity.
on July 24th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
*eyes roll* since “nationalism and pan-German unity” has worked oh so well for Germany.
on July 24th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Israel does not have birthright citizenship. Aron, Potok & many other posters here are Jewish. See the link here showing Sudanese migrants being deported from Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....edded#t=0s
See the double standard?
on July 24th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Annie,
I hate to burst your bubble, but you shouldn’t believe everything you read on Stormfront and Jew Watch. My mother was a nice Episcopalian lady from Tulsa, Okla. — not Jewish. My father was indeed Jewish, but as you probably know — you seem to portray yourself as some kind of expert on Jewish affairs — that does not make me Jewish. I could not be a citizen of Israel if I wanted.
I’m reluctant to even take up people like you, but perhaps learning this interesting fact will make you realize that you shouldn’t believe everything that neo-Nazis tell you.
Mark
on July 24th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Erika,
The Nazis weren’t nationalists. They were Socialists!!!1!1!11
on July 24th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
You have the obvious evidence that the Nazis were not nationalist in that Hitler was Australian ;)
on July 24th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Well you know the rules Mark: If your mother is Jewish, then they say you’re a Jew by Jewish laws. If she isn’t, then they say that you’re still a Jew because it’s “genetic.” If neither your mother nor your father is Jewish, they look for a Jewish grandparent. If they don’t find that, they look for a Jewish spouse or best friend. Failing that, they look for a Jewish neighbor or teacher, or perhaps a family pet who was Jewish.
To answer Annie, Israel may not have birthright citizenship but many nations do not. Many have jus sanguis which allows people to get citizenship by blood(such as the UK or Ireland). In fact Israel’s citizenship rules are unfair, but then again there are plenty of Jewish people who say exactly that.
on July 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
By all means go there, Deep, and then keep running your mouth after you get there. No First Amendment + some pretty stringent legislation about Beauharnais type speech…you’ll be in “Deep”, all right.
on July 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Joseph, the thought of Ann Coulter moving to certain parts of Virginia and calling the local Sheriff’s Department to complain about her neighbor’s still is very appealling. They don’t exactly like outsiders who try to interfere with their God given Constituional right to make moonshine.
on July 24th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Erika, it may open her eyes, when she ends up in a place where she can’t hold an office, or be an authoritarian of any kind, or have a voice at all, and only be pregnant, and cook all day, and clean all night, and then have to “perform” her duties after cooking and cleaning. Then she opens her eyes ends up in the the Christian America she’s always wanted. And still can’t touch the moonshine.
on July 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Ruslan, you have omitted osmotic Judification from (a) kosher pickles; (b) kosher sauerkraut; (c) Jewish rye; (d) Nathan’s hot dogs; (e) having travelled to, through, over, or under, either New York City, Miami Beach, or Boca Raton.
on July 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
The United States, Canada, Italy, Spain Greece, England, and France are mostly white, but they’re all failing in terms of economics. Would you WNs care to explain that one? Would race play a role in those instances? Also, countries in the West Indies are actually okay economically, and they’re mostly black.
on July 24th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I love the twists and turns on the comment threads here. If I didn’t mention it on the anniversary thread then the oversight is mine entirely.
I have just returned from a sojourn in Germany and Austria. My German is not native, but certainly fluent enough to give me an understanding of Deep Ecology. You can put lipstick on a pig but, ultimately, you are still making out with a pig. Sieg Heil, mutter ficker.
Mark, I am shocked, shocked I say, that a neo-Nazi would lie to “Annie”. Though, probably not half as shocked as “she” is.
Again, many thanks for the blog, a small speck of sanity in an ocean of crazy.
on July 24th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Annie, if you were in control, you would do the same thing to the Palestinians and the African immigrants. After all, the African immigrants in question are black. Please don’t act like you care about them because you don’t.
Aron, folks like Herbert most likely don’t read all the comments, so he comes up with the “no one answered my question” line. I provided an answer if he so chooses to see it.
Why is it WNs fail to recognize the failing economies in nations like the U.S. and Greece that are mostly white? Don’t they see who’s rioting in the streets in Spain and Greece recently? It ain’t black folks.
on July 24th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
And bagels. Definitely bagels. The most sneaking and successful osmotic Judification scheme ever devised by the Eternal Jew. Bagels have invaded Publix, Burger King, all the strongholds of Waspness. And you know those cute little Cheerios generations of ril uhMericuns have been giving their kids? Bagel seeds…
on July 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Reynardine, when on this forum (or any other) have you read a ” Beauharnais type” statement or claim by me? Scrunch that tin foil hat down a little lower and look hard. If you can find one, cut and paste it and I will graciously ask apologize.
For the record, it is not about race or ethnicity, it is about culture. That is the point that white nationalists miss in their advocacy, and it is why they will fail. My family and I have more in common with my professional colleagues of color than I would ever have with an Appalachian coal miner or a working class white Chicagoan of Polish or Czech lineage.
on July 24th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Annie — I’m not Jewish and I comment. As a matter of fact, I am descended from a bunch of people who came over on the Mayflower, including one who tracks back to Charlemagne. We have, however, recently discovered that we have an African-American ancestor who was glossed over in the family history (I am hoping to find out more about her).
Deep Ecology — except for the aforementioned African-American ancestor, I am basically your average “Northern European mix” — English, Scottish, German, and Swedish. We also are genetically related to Cheddar Man, who was some pre-Celtic dude whose skeleton was found in the cave where they age Cheddar cheese (hence his name). Apparently, these folks were also cannibals.
In terms of religion, I am Wiccan. Happily, I am alive now, because an ancestor (John Willard) was hanged in Salem during the witch trials (actually, he was the town’s bailiff and he was sentenced to death for speaking out and saying that he thought the accusations were a crock) as well as one of the accusing girls (Ooops!)
It is interesting now that scientists can track DNA how many interesting things pop up (Like grandpa Chompers, Cheddar Man). If you had your DNA tested (or if Annie did), you might find that you have a very different perspective on the whole “race” thing and attributes that some persons automatically attribute to “others.”
(All I can say is thank God I live in America, land of immigrants, where I can get Italian food, Chinese food, Thai food, Mexican food, etc. rather than having to stick with my native, Anglo-Scot’s cuisine, which primarily involves boiling everything until it is gray and unrecognizable).
My apologies to those readers who have already heard about my background, but I thought that perhaps both Annie and Deep Ecology may find it interesting.
on July 25th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Deep, you don’t have to meet a Beauharnais standard where you’re planning to move. I have no knowledge of any statements you made in other fora, and I congratulate you on your partial recovery from that superb little explosion of narcissistic rage when you found the greenwash cover on your bigotry had actually been blown two years ago, on the SPLC Intelligence Report for the Summer of 2010. I admire your broadmindedness, however, in saying that even colored people with an expensive enough education are more nearly on your level than mere Chicago blue-collar workers of West Slavic descent.
I have in fact known many nonwhite people with superb intellects and exquisite educations, and if they had anything to say to you, it would either be over your head, or you wouldn’t like it.
on July 25th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Joseph, having lived there I can assure you that they have no problem with smart, educated, professional women. What they don’t like is people who get into other people’s business and tell others what to do. Ann Coulter would get in trouble there not because she is a woman – but because she is an authortarian.
on July 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
“For the record, it is not about race or ethnicity, it is about culture. That is the point that white nationalists miss in their advocacy, and it is why they will fail. My family and I have more in common with my professional colleagues of color than I would ever have with an Appalachian coal miner or a working class white Chicagoan of Polish or Czech lineage.”
At least you recognize that fact. In America “white”, Latino, and black culture may seem worlds apart. To the outside world, it doesn’t work that way. You’re “American.” It wasn’t easy for me to learn that fact.
on July 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I learned that in the Navy, American is American. I also learned in the Navy, Texas, is Texas. Especially when I looked for IHOP and the signs said International House of Pancakes.
on July 25th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Deep Ecology — I am fairly sure that I would get on a lot better with some Appalachian coal-miners and Chicago blue-collar ethnics than I would with you (or, actually — I know that I would because I’ve actually worked on environmental projects in all of those areas), even though I am also well-educated.
One can find pompous F*@ks and mean-spirited creeps among the “lower classes,” too, though, which is why I qualified my comment with a “some.”
Jeez — get over yourself! If you don’t get on with some people–or certain ethnicities–fine (admission time: I find some Italians who are into hugging a lot difficult to take initially–that WASP reserve, I guess–but I get over it, because, hey, a lot of Italians are totally cool). This doesn’t mean that there is something wrong with THEM — it simply means you have a different set of preferences, interests, etc.
on July 25th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Ruslan — I totally enjoy being an American (although I curb my enthusiam when I travel abroad, don’t talk loud, or make awful comments like, “don’t they have HAMBURGERS here?”
As a matter of fact — I am just on my way out the door to engage in one of those highly American activities–visiting my local county fair to see if I won a ribbon (and what color) for my most recent quilt. I know that quilting and fiber art is something that one finds in various forms throughout the world (which is cool and interesting and always makes for a great conversation starter, with women, at least, anywhere one travels), but the uniquely patchwork American quilts are, well, uniquely American, and I always feel proudly American when I work on one or attend a quilt shop or show. It’s a great, bonding experience–particularly among women (although some men quilt, too).
Wish me luck as I go off and participate in one of the kinder, gentler, American activities!
on July 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Joseph — Ain’t it the truth about Texas? I have to say that in this day and age, when everything has been McDonaldized and one strip mall looks the same as another just about anywhere you go (although Texas has WAY more bailbond offices and pawn shops — often side by side and proximate to the mandatory nail salons and tattoo parlors–than anywhere else I have ever worked), Texas does at least have a unique culture, which, except for some really atrocious aspects (executions, hate crimes, religious twisting of state text books), is nice to see.
on July 25th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Ruslan,
WN fail when they focus on a biological construct. It’s why you don’t have to worry at all that they will make any headway in the US. There is no unified and coherent white culture in America. Every European who arrived here pretty much adopted the Anglo-British prevailing culture and jettisoned their ethnic identity (my family included).
Coral Sea: Where and with who you live is about simple preference and cultural identity. When we lived in Europe my wife and I went native and readopted Germanic culture. We still loved visiting France, Spain (bull fighting is way misunderstood), Greece (no better food), but were always happy to come home. Being happy to come home did not imply any criticism of the above countries or their people. Our reasons for the reverse migration of our family back to Germany is not about hating the US, this is an amazing country, but about liking continental Europe better. America is a propositional nation, not united around a unified culture. Our political system does not allow proportional representation of dissenting viewpoints (parliamentary systems do) and the US is the main leader, proponent, and Imperial enforcer of the neo-liberal, corporate state, where above all, de-cultured materialism rules. My brother and I just couldn’t tolerate any longer.
Reynardine, it bears repeating, yes, there are nativist groups who have cynically adopted an “environmental” ethic as further bolstering of their arguments to stop immigration. They are disingenuous about their real motives, and truly could care less about the environmental reasons why reducing population growth and per capita resource utilization is critical for a healthy eco-system. You are stuck with explaining why there were so many environmentalists making these points BEFORE the wave of current immigration began, including the author of the Deep Ecology Bio-Region concept. Second, Deep Ecology is a movement with lots of academic theorists, including scientists and social scientists from every continent. So are those African, South American, South Asian and East Asian scientists who have signed onto the Deep Ecology philosophy just a bunch of Uncle Tom’s? They would love to know how much they have been duped all these years by a bunch of nativists.
on July 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Verdigris.
on July 26th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Reynardine, put up or shut up. This is your opportunity to state clearly that environmentalists like Bill McKibben and other notables who call for population reduction as critical to controlling environmental destruction are really secret WN’s cynically using it as a screen for their bigotry and racism.
on July 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Deep, I don’t have to do anything because you’re barking orders. Your true nature is showing through your greenwash by the second.
on July 26th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Folks, the awards this week may take on a truly special character.
on July 26th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Reynardine, clever but obvious avoidance strategy. When all you have is a hammer…
on July 26th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The only reason people cross the street to avoid you, Deep, is because you smell.
on July 26th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Deep Ecology — I do not know you well–meaning thatI have not carefully studied all of the posts you have ever made on this blog–so forgive me if some of the points I raise here are points that you have already made.
In regard to overpopulation and environmental degradation: I agree with you — more people, even with the mitigation of wastewater treatment and other pollution control/ecosystem protection (e.g., smart growth, wetland protection, crop zone protection), will, ultimately lead to environmental degradation. More people require more food, places to live, water (water is already a big issue in many places; it will become more so pretty much everywhere, especially with the effects of Global Climate Change). Although the “carrying capacity” argument has been misused and abused for political advantage (John Taunton comes to mind), one can’t keep “packing them in” without eventually causing environmental damage that will require a move to “geological time” (meaning hundreds of thousands of years) to restore.
But like many of the other posters here, I am uncomfortable making declarations regarding WHO should be excluded, encouraged not to breed, and the like, particularly along ethnic or racial lines on moral grounds (as well as the “yuck” factor of it).
The population “problem” is many faceted and dependent upon many, many variables. For example, in 1900, the average life expectancy in the U.S. was 47 years. So now we have (and Europe, Japan, and other parts of the world have) a “population” problem involving a disproportionate number of older people. Do we kill them off or strip them of health care? Or do we recognize that people don’t all of a sudden become unproductive at the age of 65 and, in cases where people aren’t disabled at this age, to continue to contribute to world economies? Are they no longer a “problem” if they are productive? (FYI — the older cohorts in the U.S., ages 65-75, are actually considerably healthier by many measures than the cohorts in their late 40s and 50s. Sad, but true).
Another “population” issue: the availability of opportunities for women, not only in regard to contraception and family planning services, but in regard to opportunities to receive educations and own/run businesses. Birth rates invariably drop when countries develop to the point where opportunities for girls and women open up. Sadly, “women’s issues,” although vital to the whole environmental degradation because of desperately poor people and countries ravage the countryside in an attempt to stay alive, was largely absent from the latest Rio Environmental Conference.
Finally, serious economic and political inequality is also a factor in the extent to which a given population will degrade the environment. Climate change is going to hit some major food producing areas — and subsistence areas, like subSaharan Africa — very hard. While this means that agriculture will have to be more productive and more conserving of resources (like water) to avoid wide-spread famine, it also means that the threat of manufactured famine by those who are seeking to gain, maintain, or increase political and economic gain become ever greater than they have ever been in modern history. Are “food wars” a possibility? Yes. I believe that we will begin to see them beyond the “quiet” resource deprivation violence we already see in the U.S. and elsewhere.
My point is, there is more to the increased population equals environmental degradation on a one-to-one basis. If only it was that simple! Instead, we need to address other fundamental issues having to do with meeting human needs without destroying the environment. Is this easier to do in a homogeneous society with shared traditions? I expect so — unless the shared tradition involves pillaging the environment and treating other people like disposable resources. But I also believe that these issues are so fundamental to humanity that, with effort and sufficient political will, these choices can be laid out to all people and decisions made. Indeed, we are going to have to do this — or fall back into tribalism and face some unspeakable wars that will also no doubt further the damage to the environment.
on July 26th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
If you do go back over Deep’s doodoo, Coral Sea, you’ll fiind my characterization of him not unwarranted. Note that he has never appeared on a thread that was not about icky brown people immigrating. Note also his claims of assorted degrees that, when he is pinned down, turn out not to be as represented. But see for yourself. You’re surely an Anvil contender again.
on July 26th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Sounds like wittle baby WN is upset because he thought his canned arguments off of Stormfront weren’t as bulletproof as he thought. Cry, WN, cry.
Ruslan, your admiration for the Soviet Union is telling. Stalin killed over 30 million people…far more than any fascist movement.
When the real nature of Stalin’s crimes were denoucned in the 50s, Roger Garaudy still refused to believe it and continued to praise “Dear Leader”.
How many works by Garaudy do you own, Ruslan?
And of those, how many bear his autograph?
And when, like Garaudy, you exhaust any and all leftist methods for screwing up the world will you too be converting to islam so as to anchor your psycho-politcal pathologies in The Divine?
I’m so glad I flushed out your true sympathies.
To still praise a fascist ideology now generally regarded as responsable for the deaths of over 100,000,000 ( mostly) innocent people speaks volumes about the utterly perverse content of your character.
For some, membership in “Stormfront” would definately be a step up?
Heck, you’re already “Red-Brown”
on July 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Evan’s back everybody! And this time with irrefutable proof that Ruslan is a Stalinist! And that Stalinism is Fascism!
Behold, the Nietzche of our age!
on July 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
“Ruslan, your admiration for the Soviet Union is telling. Stalin killed over 30 million people…far more than any fascist movement.”
Incorrect. There is no credible evidence to support those numbers, and let me remind you that Hitler, a fascist, started a war which led to the death of over 50 million people, most of them Soviet citizens. In fact the casualties which the USSR suffered during the war, between 25-29 million people, stand as one of the reasons ridiculous claims of 30 million or even 20 million people killed by Stalin don’t jive with demographics.
“When the real nature of Stalin’s crimes were denoucned in the 50s, Roger Garaudy still refused to believe it and continued to praise “Dear Leader”.”
Stalin was not called “Dear Leader.” The guy who started calling him “Leader”(?????) was Nikita Khruschev, incidentally the SAME guy who denounced all those crimes you alluded to.
“How many works by Garaudy do you own, Ruslan?
And of those, how many bear his autograph?
And when, like Garaudy, you exhaust any and all leftist methods for screwing up the world will you too be converting to islam so as to anchor your psycho-politcal pathologies in The Divine?”
Never heard of Garaudy. I base my work on the archival research done by people like Dr. J. Arch Getty.
“I’m so glad I flushed out your true sympathies.”
I bet you are, because this way you can distract from the fact that your arguments were so easily shot down. RED HERRINGS AWAY!!!
“To still praise a fascist ideology now generally regarded as responsable for the deaths of over 100,000,000 ( mostly) innocent people speaks volumes about the utterly perverse content of your character.”
Uh wait a minute, you just claimed that Communism killed MORE people than any fascist movement, but now you’re saying Communism is a fascist movement? Doubling-down on political illiteracy, I see.
The 100,000,000 figure, which is extremely contrived and still far exceeded by deaths caused by capitalism(still counting), originates from the highly objective Black Book of Communism. Here’s what two contributors to that very same book had to say about equating Communism with Nazism:
“They also rejected his equation of Soviet repression with Nazi genocide. Werth said there was still a qualitative difference between Nazism and Communism. He told Le Monde, “Death camps did not exist in the Soviet Union”,[20] and “The more you compare Communism and Nazism, the more the differences are obvious.”
“For some, membership in “Stormfront” would definately be a step up?”
I’m sure you see it that way.
“Heck, you’re already “Red-Brown”
So uh…You’re not going to attempt to defend the shattered pieces of your arguments then? Ok. We’ll consider your racist tirades defeated. Also, please stop acting like you are anti-fascist. You’ve already demonstrated that you are a racist who thinks that black neighborhoods are poor because their residents possess certain genes which cause them to appear as what we call “black”(in other words, their phenotype), demonstrating that you lack basic critical thinking skills. You’re whole tirade against Communism here is a non sequiter.
on July 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Actually Reynardine, your feelings were permanently hurt when I assigned you to the lunatic fringe for espousing far left conspiracy theories, I think it was the one equating Republicanism with Nazism. Big difference? Nazi’s had charisma, and were genuinely bad men. Not the clueless, liberal light that represents what passes for the American Right.
What degrees did I say I had Reynardine? Cut and paste buddy. If you find anything other than my academic field of cultural geography, I will of course, graciously apologize.
I am no giant figure in the environmental movement, but giants there are. Please point out the ones that cleverly use it as a shield to cover their nefarious WN motives. Really, this isn’t hard.
Coral Sea: You are absolutely correct in rejecting a simplistic, reductionist argument to our current situation. Between shallow and deep ecology, the debate rages. Deep ecology is inherently radical, and the rank and file humanity usually reject radical solutions. I am not optimistic about coming to a consensus and implementing a coherent strategy of true sustainability. A simple but provocative read would be “The Crash Course” by Martenson, which does a good job highlighting the convergence of crisis’ heading our way in the West, Energy, Environment, and Economy. No apocalypse, but tough times coming to the house of cards the neo-liberal corporate-state has built, and no courage or true understanding by our fearless, vote grubbing politicians to face the challenges.
on July 26th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Evan, you have not flushed out anything, including, on the evidence, your toilet.
on July 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Ok let’s place some bets. Assuming my answer to Evan’s red herring about Communism gets posted, what is the most likely result?
1. Evan decides to continue discussing the history of Communism, even though it has nothing to do with the idiotic arguments he made earlier, nor the fact that they were easily shot down by several people here.
2. He disappears.
3. He tries to argue his original arguments again, providing detailed scientific evidence to show why Detroit is poor because it has a large black population, which has had a larger impact on it than American economic history/policy.
PLACE YOUR BETS!
on July 26th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Reynardine — Yes — I am aware that he is, shall we say, at least somewhat in sync with John Taunton and the “Mexicans will wreck the environment” thing, however, I wasn’t sure if he actually embraced other, less looney concepts. I was attempting to give him the benefit of the doubt, which was probably really dumb, but I have a savage headache today (the weather), and I didn’t want to “unload” on someone just because of that.
Again — I don’t understand the insistence on adhereing to the “tribal/racial” mindset. It exists for a time in enclaves, and it isn’t inherently wrong in and of itself, but if Deep is really concerned about the planetary environment, this really will involve working with all people (even the “brown” ones).
So — he is one of the “expert types?” As a rule, I don’t like to ridicule, but it reminds me of this one ceremonial magician/Wiccan pretender (who was fortunate to have a hospital administrator as a wife, because he couldn’t hold a job), who used to go on and on about the seven years he spent learning from a shaman in Peru, and the seven years he spent learning from a Druid on the Orkney Islands, and seven years learning from some Egyptian dude at some lost city in the desert, and seven years in Tibet, or Nepal, or somewhere like that, learning from someone else (he learned to levitate from them — although he never managed to pull it off in front of us because we were sufficiently evolve spiritually).
The punch line — the guy was about 35. At one point, someone added up all of these seven-year educational interludes and got, like, 98 years.
He just got mad when this was pointed out.
We always wondered why he hadn’t said that he had taken advantage of some time/space continuum fold or something, because he like Sci-Fi….
on July 27th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Guess what, everybody! It’s Friday! And the awards are really going to be special! Although the entries don’t close until the end of the day, unless something really different shows up, Ii predict…
on July 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Reynardine, how about those claims bud? Cutting and pasting should be a snap even for a an old pensioner like you. Why don’t you just admit that our exchanges used to be more civil before I consigned you to the lunatic fringe conspiracy club? Crackpots on the left and right, armed with the internet and lots of enthusiastic paranoia, constantly search for and claim the existence of, a vast, coherent, and focused conspiracy of individuals out to get them or their group.
Coral Sea: My point it appears, must be repeated. Yes, there are nativists groups who use environmental concerns about population growth to bolster their arguments to restrict immigration. However, well BEFORE the current wave of south to north immigration world wide, at the awakening of the modern environmental movement, population growth as a fundamental cause of environmental degradation was well understood and written about. There are no credible environmentalists who in fact, do not put human population density at the top of their list of reasons for why the earth’s ecosystems are facing a crisis. The second being per capita resource utilization and energy use, of which the West, and the US in particular, are very much responsible for.
No environmental “expert” at all. In fact, I teach and lecture. Retired military and late to the academic world. I am an advocate for Deep Ecology in my private life. My brother is a professional environmentalist, works for the government as a hydrologist and specializes in ground water contamination and transport around coal, gas and oil fields. Research emphasis was the geology of arid lands and micro climate changes.
Any way, Mexican’s will not wreck the environment, too many people will.
SPLC did a great disservice to serious environmentalists by linking ALL who have concerns about population growth and human movement around the globe, with western racism. Social justice has nothing to do with carrying capacity, one is a moral/ethical concern, and the other scientific and empirical.
What is your point about a “tribal/racial” mindset? And who is advocating for it? I have said over and over, using a biological construct exclusively as the WN do is bound to fail. It is about culture, not race.
And finally, I comment here in an attempt to open communication and exchange between people who hold different ideas and values. The US is becoming so polarized that if you are “leftist” you can pretty much isolate yourself by watching MSNBC, blog on left websites, and socialize only with fellow travelors, and never be exposed to the thoughts and ideas of the other side. Same for those on the “right”. Ruslan and a few other truly thoughtful and intelligent commentors make it worth the trouble. And I always learn something from them, even though we are poles apart in values and philosophy.
on July 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I’m seeing a lot of syllables and no active reasoning. And I can’t find anyone on these threads who manage to shoot down Ruslan’s arguments. I haven’t done so well in previous threads myself but I don’t profess myself to be an academic.
You know what? At the end of the day, weren’t the Native Americans once white when the crossed over that ice bridge?
Sure, you can say they spent more time outside, but the fact of the matter is, they were once white. And then when the Nina, and Pinta pulled up, hell when the Vikings pulled up before that in New Foundland, they weren’t white anymore.
Can we say that all of this mixing, aka, “forced to intermarry” (I’ll never get over that), is only a prelude to something that’s bound to happen anyway???
Sorry folks. The clocks ticking regardless. If the mixing doesn’t get you, evolution will.
on July 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Deep Ecology –
Actually, I am hopeful of consensus — and it is what will be necessary, considering the global consequences of many environmental issues. We were headed toward making some very important progress, particularly in regard to reducing greenhouse emissions, with the Kyoto Accord — until Bush backed out (much to the disgust of a lot of people in business, who had spent billions collectively on compliance and planning for offsets and the like).
I don’t know what your background actually is, but I work in the area of environmental consulting and am a frequent contributor to professional journals (you may have read some of my work or seen it cited in other articles and books). I am also pretty radical in my beliefs of what it would take to bring about true sustainability, however, there are definitely steps that “conventional” actors, such as businesses can take that would move us solidly in that direction.
Unfortunately, with the rise of the religion-tinged Radical Right in this country — which has managed to mobilize the sociopaths within the corporate world who don’t give a flying f*ck about destroying the environment (but who, in the mid to late 1990s had to keep a muzzle on it because other strong corporate leaders and political leaders were acknowledging that it was possible–and necessary–to take steps toward sustainability). THe U.S. has, as a result of Bush and his policies, gone dangerously insane in regard to thoughts on corporate “rights” and weird religious beliefs that environmentalism is “the green dragon” — a false God.
In regard to “no apocalpyse” — if you are thinking of apocalypse as “world destruction,” no, probably not that. However, Americans, in particular, have no real grasp of what we are likely to be in for as a result of climate change effects. It IS going to be bad. My hope is that it will also engender the political will to take the steps necessary to move into a sustainable mode BEFORE the famine induced wars make things very much worse. I am not being an alarmist here, but I have been working with a lot of the data to prepare various high-level briefing papers, and it’s sobering stuff. Withdrawing to some castle somewhere ain’t gonna cut it.
on July 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Coral Sea, your thirty-five year old “guru” with over ninety years experience reminds me of the exiles in Miami we used to call “tuve” Cubans, because if you added up all the lands and wealth and mansions and holdings they claimed they used to have, Cuba would have had to be the size of Siberia to hold them all. That is rather like our “expert”, Deep Ecology, who, when he first appeared here, claimed all sorts of academic degrees and expertise. Having been challenged and found wanting over time on every one of them, he is now giving us a more modest account, spiced up with little spurts of narcissistic rage. Now, I will not seek to refute most of his charges, which are largely improvisational; however, I state I have never copied and pasted, as if the device I use is even capable of that, I haven’t found the function.
on July 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
btw I don’t think its too late to point out that Ann Coulter is quite simply wrong that California doesn’t have a white majority. As U.S. Census Bureau figures show, California’s population as of the 2011 estimate is 74% white http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html
Yes, non-Hispanic whites are only about 40% of the population – but note that the vast majority of Hispanics identify themselves as “white.”
As those figures also show, California has a much smaller black population than the U.S. as a whole – about half the national average. That really makes people like Evan who blame everything bad including afternoon and evening thundershowers to black people look extremely stupid. Okay, basically everything about Evan makes him look really stupid :)
California also has a much larger Asian population which is double the national average.
on July 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Deep Ecology — I do agree with you on population (as I stated). It also sounds like we are probably more or less in sync regarding some of the issues surrounding how best to solve it. In regard to environmentalists’ views on population growth — yes, I think you are correct. It does underpin most of the assumptions on sustainability; however, as we discussed, discussing population alone doesn’t address many other issues that have an impact on sustainability. As for “the beginnings of the modern environmental movement,” I am sufficiently old so that I remember it (and have studied it a lot — I also occasionally teach college/grad school level classes). I was in eighth grade for the first Earth Day and remember it well — I was one of 10 kids from my class who were allowed to roam around town, picking up trash (and smoking behind a local bakery, I’m sad to say).
FYI — because I work most often for corporate clients (incidentally, I have an MBA from a top school — J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management at Northwestern University — which is also why I get drafted to work on briefing documents and policy documents that require a critical review of economic data and other hard core statistics), so my tendencies, in regard to business, are conservative, although I am also a critic of the increasingly rampant manipulation of regulations, in particular, to provide a competitive advantage to one company or industry with no benefit to the public or the environment (and I have written about that in professional journals). Because of my work, I have to pay attention to publications and news shows on both sides of the political spectrum and internationally, too. Currently, the Wall Street Journal, which for most of the time I have been reading it, has been non-partisan except for the editorial pages, has gone rather Right Wing (and Religious Right) in all of its sections, which is unfortunate.
You are, however, correct — especially with the Internet, people have begun to inhabit more and more echo chambers that reinforce their own thoughts and prejudices (we all have them). But please don’t place me in that category.
Finally, if you have read any of my posts in other threads, you will may believe you have seen a discrepancy — that I have written a lot about the work I do on the public involvement, community relations side of environmental consulting (rather than a lot about the dismal writing of foot-noted briefing documents). I do both. I really love working with people and working in many different types of community, but if I had to work directly with people all the time, someone would probably end up injured or dead. Hence, I withdraw into the other work I do, roughly about 40% of the time, and write august and lofty reports — and after I’m done with that, I run back to working with the public, because I’ve had it with statistics.
Reynardine — Funny about the Cubans in Miami. It is interesting, over time, to hear some people discuss their accomplishments or past conditions and see them balloon into grandeur. I actually find that I don’t even want to mention some of the stuff I’ve done in my life because, in retrospect, it is so pathetic (did you know I once published an article in Horse Illustrated???!!!!)
on July 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Erika — I have an Intolerant Aunt who lives in Orange County and who is always complaining about anyone who isn’t a WASP. She doesn’t like Latinos, because she says they don’t do well in school (I rather think this is a gross generalization, based on what I’ve seen in other places, but I haven’t personally examined OC statistics).
On the other hand, she also complains about the Asians, because they do TOO well in school, and make it hard for the “nice white kids” to get into good schools.
I guess you can’t please some people.
on July 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
If I am not mistaken, Coral Sea, the year you were born was also the fiirst year I lived on Coral Sea Road (a beautiful name for a rather dreary housing tract street)
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Reynardine –
Uh oh — synchronicity at work!!!
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Reynardine, please cut and paste any and all claims I’ve made. (Think I have said this before) If you cannot, have the intellectual honesty to say so. I have extensively commented here and there should be a veritable WEALTH of claims I’ve made. Remember the put up or shut up?
Oh, and I don’t retract the charge that conspiracy nuts occupy the lunatic fringe. Comparing Republicans (would not the intellectual capacity much the less will to carry out any coherent plan) to Nazi’s, saying there are plans to actually implement an industrial level genocide of people of color puts you squarely (and fairly) in the tin foil hat club. (oh, and I can cut and paste those ridiculous charges from you and Ruben, shall I?)
Plus, I think you have an impressive array of toy dinosaurs there in your assisted living facility, all properly labeled with their Latin derivatives and dates of discovery, that you way overuse to disparage and label opponents you have no intellectual or philosophical rebuttals for.
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Again with the syllables. I gonna have to get my dictionary.
on July 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Deep, for sheer density, you are difficult to excel. I have already said this device can’t exercise this function. Nor would I ever waste my time searching out your pearls of wisdom. Were anyone to seek out mine, they would only find a couple of posts I made on the subject of the Sigsbee Deep and the Missisippi Embayment. You are fantasizing or fabricating, as usual, but malignant narcissist do that, don’t they?
You really want to sweep the awards this week, don’t you? I suppose any attention is better than none.
on July 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Joseph — I’m right there with you on the syllables, even though I use a lot myself. (My brain hurts this afternoon).
Deep — Let’s not be ageist and rude. I do appreciate you engaging me on the population issue, and believe that we have some of the same thoughts.
Reynardine — I always enjoy your posts–and especially the weird synchronicity. Good on you with the awards.
on July 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Coral Sea, half a century back, the same complaint was made about, respectively, “Negroes” (slowness holding the ril uhMericun kids back in school) and Jews, who were “too smart” and thereby denying them a place in the world.
on July 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Reynardine –
I read an article in the Wall Street Journal some years ago about the uproar at the Ivy Leagues (e.g., Harvard) about letting Jews attend. At the time, it was basically a Social Register white boys’ club, heavy on sports and socializing, not terribly intense in regard to academics. There was a fear that allowing Jews with their studiousness to enroll would lead to humiliation for the not-so-studious Social Register scions. Interesting how the times — and the “others” who get picked on vary from place to place and time to time, all basically because there are people who want scapegoats for their own (or their kids’) less than perfect performances.
on July 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Deep Ecology,
One way we could help over population is to cease criticizing those who choose not to reproduce.
on July 28th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Racist? Why do you think whites are being FORCED to leave CA? It’s because of all the non-whites who are deliberately keeping them out of jobs. And there is no denying the demographic fact that when Silicon Valley was 98% white American males the US and CA economies were BOOMING.
Racist? That would be all the 3rd worlders in CA driving the whites out.
on July 29th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Hey Wakjob,
Names. We want names. Who is ‘FORCING’ whites out of the Golden State?
on July 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Well Wakjob, at least your name is appropriate. Who is “forcing” white people to move out of CA? And if non-whites are keeping whites out of jobs, why is it that non-whites are always more likely to be unemployed than whites at times when unemployment is high?
on July 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Most estimably named Wakjob, we can’t help it if natives of the Indian subcontinent are better students than you.
on July 30th, 2012 at 8:37 am
um, I’m pretty sure that Silicon Valley was never ever at any point in its history 98% White American males.
on July 30th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Wakjob is a fitting name :)
on July 30th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Certainly, Silicon Valley was not that in 1978.
on July 30th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Since Wakjob’s ideal America has no women or immigrants I wonder how he expects it to last :P
on July 30th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Wakjob – I’m going to help you say what you REALLY wan to say.
“Racist?” – We’re not racist, we have the right, God Given, but the US Constitution, not to like anyone who is not like us, but we’re not Racist.
“Why do you think whites are being FORCED to leave CA?” Because illegal immigration is forcing us to leave, due to the massive influx of illegal immigrants – who incidentally we pay less than minimum wage, to pick our fruit, fix our cars, paint our homes, cut our grass, remodel our roofs, cook our food and raise our kids. Did I mention they were illegal?
“It’s because of all the non-whites who are deliberately keeping them out of jobs”, i.e., affirmative action for those blacks.
“And there is no denying the demographic fact that when Silicon Valley was 98% white American males the US and CA economies were BOOMING.” Which had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a California 2 bedroom, 1200 square foot condo, the size of a child’s room in Texas, was going to $750,000.00 (which now you can’t give away). And everyone now owns a dot com. But that’s the immigrants fault (and after that the blacks).
“Racist? That would be all the 3rd worlders in CA driving the whites out.” See the first few above.
Yeah – you’re right??? You’re also smoking that which is legal for the most part in cali right at those rallies right?
Puff, puff, pass.
on July 30th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Wakjob –
Were the 98% white American males inhabiting Silicone Valley homosexuals — or just celibate? Gee — no wonder they died off with no (or only, maybe, 2 percent) females around)
Very bad planning for such smart, smart men!
Also, although there were certainly lots of white males working in Silicone Valley, there were also a number of American females working there, too, as engineers!!! (I know. Shocking). I worked with several of these women, who laughed about how, since there hadn’t been that many women in engineering programs in the 1960s and 1970s when they were getting their degrees, their alumni mailings were always addressed to Mr. Rita Jones, or Mr. Sally Wilson because the schools back then (this was the late 1980s) always addressed alums as male. (FYI – a lot of early computer coders were female–including with UNIVAC, one of the earliest electrical computers. The women’s role tended to be minimized — just as they used to minimize the contributions of African-Americans.)
So maybe a few of the 98% males were just willfully mis-identified females.
And considering all of the bitching on the part of my aforementioned Intolerant Aunt about how Asians were hogging all of the “good” slots at the California state universities, I am quite sure that Asians were also fairly well represented in Silicone Valley (or did they just take over after the initial, white American male apparently gay cohort die out because they couldn’t reproduce?)
You are, indeed, a wakjob.
on July 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
In fact, I’m aware that a good many of the engineers in Silicon Valley in 1978 were in fact, either Indian or Pakistani. As, at that time, the designation, “Asian”, was applied only to *East* Asians, and most natives of the Subcontinent were classed as “white” regardless of skin color, the later increase in “Asians” is largely an artifact of a change in parameters.
Also, I will suppose that this addled writer meant to specify “engineers” as opposed to either “inhabitants of Silicon Valley” or “electronics workers”. Most of the bench workers were women, and a number would currently be classed as “Hispanic”, even though most spoke little Spanish, if any. A fair number were Filipino. The counties closer to San Francisco had a greater number of East Asians, as well. In the general population, women seemed quite as numerous as men.
on July 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Deep Ecology,
I used to consider your views self-satisfied and stilted to the point of thinking you are joking.
However, after careful consideration I have decided to give up on diversity and join you and your bruder as you seek refuge in the cultural — not racial! — superiority of the Germans.
Could you please advise me on where I might find some good sturdy lederhosen and instructions on how to dance the chicken dance so that I can blend in? I don’t speak German but I can shout.
on August 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am
aadila, I think you miss the point.
We treat preference in the drive for pluralism as akin to prejudice, which it is not.
My family and I lived in Asia, loved the experience and the Japanese people, and have nothing but fond memories of our time there. But, for a permanent place to settle, it was not for us.
I worked in Africa, Ethiopia, Eritrea, and the Horn, loved the experience, met some awesome people and found the culture there fascinating. Would not live there with my family however, as non-muslims or Coptic Christians, our beliefs would just be too alien for acceptance, esp by the Muslims.
Worked for two years in Central and South America, again, we had the time of our lives, met many people who are still our friends, and especially loved Chile and Argentina, their people and culture.
Our time in Europe, reconnecting with family and the place, was defining for us. There is a great contrast between Europe and the US, esp in the realm of culture, and this despite our shared Western roots. For my family, being second generation Americans, it was easy to re-assimilate, we were totally accepted and found that life there was a better “fit”. I like parliamentary government, which allows for proportional representation of dissenting views (as opposed to the largely unimportant differences between Democrats and Republicans, both supporters of the status quo and the corporate-state) and European High Culture, of which America, based on individualism and material culture, has not produced.
So, if I may ask, is preference to you the same as prejudice? Or is there a place for everyone (including those who find US pluralistic society preferable to a mono culture)?
on August 1st, 2012 at 11:49 am
Oh, Japan and Germany. That worked out well in the past for everybody.
on December 24th, 2012 at 7:46 am
One of the things I have noticed about critics her accuse her of racism is this; almost all live in comfy, lilly-white burbs.
on January 11th, 2013 at 12:54 am
Anne Coulter a bigoted racist? Hardly! She regularly dates men of color, often Black. She often throws her full unwavering support behind even the most mediocre GOP candidate of color. Since Non-voters are overwhelmingly Democrat, it is a perfectly legitimate comment to say the loss of White California destroyed the state, if you are a Republican. The same can be said for the GOP concern about a Non-White majority by 2050. Just because a comment is harsh and truthful, does not make it bigoted and racist unless you are clueless to reality.