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	<title>Comments on: Conspiracists Adopt NRA Talking Points on UN Arms Treaty</title>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-519470</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People have and should allways have the right to keep and bear arms. Why? because when a leader decides that he wants to be just like Hitler or Stalin we the people can say hell no and over throw that government. And you can&#039;t do that with just handguns. But the mentality is that the USA is so great it will never become tyranical. But lets set aside the notiong of the USA becoming tyranical for a moment, lets say Russia and China join forces along with a few middle eastern countries and lets say they decided to invade us, how do you suppose we fight back if we have no guns? But surely this can&#039;t possibly happen to us I mean countries don&#039;t get invaded right. Isnt it better to have guns and not need then? then to need them and not have them? 

Now lets look at what happend in Colorado, 1 gunman shoot and killed a bunch of people, now let me ask you this. What would you think would have happened if atlease two people in that theater had guns of their own? Logic tells us that the shooter would have to either continue his rampage at the risk of his own life or run for cover. And we all know by know that he wasnt trying to get killed because if that was the case he would have been in a shootout with the police and that did not happened therefore it is logical at this point to asume that had someone else fired back he would have run for cover therefore lives would have been saved, but no you people want a world where the individual is dependent upon the government to protect them because the police have such a great track record at showing up just in time to save us. Somehow the police can teleport just in time to save you because when your life is in danger trafic somehow desapears and they show up just in time right? disarm the people and what you are left with are victims. 

The news never reports on the lives that have been saved due to good people having guns. No, they only tell you about the bad people that have guns. Hitler himself said the best way to control a population is to disarm them. For the person incharge of censorship on this page have some guts and let this comment get by untuched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have and should allways have the right to keep and bear arms. Why? because when a leader decides that he wants to be just like Hitler or Stalin we the people can say hell no and over throw that government. And you can&#8217;t do that with just handguns. But the mentality is that the USA is so great it will never become tyranical. But lets set aside the notiong of the USA becoming tyranical for a moment, lets say Russia and China join forces along with a few middle eastern countries and lets say they decided to invade us, how do you suppose we fight back if we have no guns? But surely this can&#8217;t possibly happen to us I mean countries don&#8217;t get invaded right. Isnt it better to have guns and not need then? then to need them and not have them? </p>
<p>Now lets look at what happend in Colorado, 1 gunman shoot and killed a bunch of people, now let me ask you this. What would you think would have happened if atlease two people in that theater had guns of their own? Logic tells us that the shooter would have to either continue his rampage at the risk of his own life or run for cover. And we all know by know that he wasnt trying to get killed because if that was the case he would have been in a shootout with the police and that did not happened therefore it is logical at this point to asume that had someone else fired back he would have run for cover therefore lives would have been saved, but no you people want a world where the individual is dependent upon the government to protect them because the police have such a great track record at showing up just in time to save us. Somehow the police can teleport just in time to save you because when your life is in danger trafic somehow desapears and they show up just in time right? disarm the people and what you are left with are victims. </p>
<p>The news never reports on the lives that have been saved due to good people having guns. No, they only tell you about the bad people that have guns. Hitler himself said the best way to control a population is to disarm them. For the person incharge of censorship on this page have some guts and let this comment get by untuched.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-515339</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That being said, I am pro-gun, but anti-NRA.  Do they defend the rights of gun owners?  Yes.

Do they publicly speak out against the majority of their membership having racist or discriminatory tendancies?  No they do not.

If I took a picture of the faces of the gun shop owners or employees, who look at me when I walk into a new gun shop to browse, that would tell quite a story.  It&#039;s a common story, you&#039;ve all heard it, a story of liberties and freedoms, that belong to everyone, except you.

I like to frequent shops who have ex-military employees or owners, they usually don&#039;t care.  Others...not so much.  I see the same thing at gun shows, and other places.

&quot;Don&#039;t tread on me...but I&#039;ll more than happily tread on you.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That being said, I am pro-gun, but anti-NRA.  Do they defend the rights of gun owners?  Yes.</p>
<p>Do they publicly speak out against the majority of their membership having racist or discriminatory tendancies?  No they do not.</p>
<p>If I took a picture of the faces of the gun shop owners or employees, who look at me when I walk into a new gun shop to browse, that would tell quite a story.  It&#8217;s a common story, you&#8217;ve all heard it, a story of liberties and freedoms, that belong to everyone, except you.</p>
<p>I like to frequent shops who have ex-military employees or owners, they usually don&#8217;t care.  Others&#8230;not so much.  I see the same thing at gun shows, and other places.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t tread on me&#8230;but I&#8217;ll more than happily tread on you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-515312</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You flatter me.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You flatter me.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-515193</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph, we need to come up with a superb award for you. Right now, it&#039;s just a big...welcome aboard!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, we need to come up with a superb award for you. Right now, it&#8217;s just a big&#8230;welcome aboard!</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-515148</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Joseph. That&#039;s really, really huge. While I commend you on your decision, I also respect you for sticking to your guns in spite of the unpleasantness. And doing it for your son is absolutely the best reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Joseph. That&#8217;s really, really huge. While I commend you on your decision, I also respect you for sticking to your guns in spite of the unpleasantness. And doing it for your son is absolutely the best reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-515065</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to wonder though, when will they take the money and put it where their mouth is?

I just changed my paypal.  I can&#039;t tolerate any of this.  Nor can I tell my son it&#039;s okay to be apart of an organization that caters to these senseless individuals.

I&#039;m no longer an oath keeper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to wonder though, when will they take the money and put it where their mouth is?</p>
<p>I just changed my paypal.  I can&#8217;t tolerate any of this.  Nor can I tell my son it&#8217;s okay to be apart of an organization that caters to these senseless individuals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no longer an oath keeper.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-514872</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Kansas becomes the center of the new country of Teabagistan the Koch Brothers will be prepared.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Kansas becomes the center of the new country of Teabagistan the Koch Brothers will be prepared.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-514010</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph, as usual, I am in complete agreement with you.

I honestly doubt the KBs would ever attempt anything serious against the government. Since they already essentially own the American Right Wing, they have no need to mount any militaristic action.

Though Chamberlain said something very similar in 1938...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, as usual, I am in complete agreement with you.</p>
<p>I honestly doubt the KBs would ever attempt anything serious against the government. Since they already essentially own the American Right Wing, they have no need to mount any militaristic action.</p>
<p>Though Chamberlain said something very similar in 1938&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-513967</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But you know what Aron, just like you said in my first thread, they may have the arsenal, but they don&#039;t have the spare parts.  I don&#039;t think their wealth adds up to the DOD annual budget.

I feel bad for people who think they can go man to man against any fed-backed organization.  Not that I think it will come down to that, but the thought of it itself.  Anything less than an insurgency would be brutal.  But an insurgency - that&#039;s another issue.

These Koch brothers really remind me of people who are trying to come into their own form of power.  If only they can get enough fools to follow them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you know what Aron, just like you said in my first thread, they may have the arsenal, but they don&#8217;t have the spare parts.  I don&#8217;t think their wealth adds up to the DOD annual budget.</p>
<p>I feel bad for people who think they can go man to man against any fed-backed organization.  Not that I think it will come down to that, but the thought of it itself.  Anything less than an insurgency would be brutal.  But an insurgency &#8211; that&#8217;s another issue.</p>
<p>These Koch brothers really remind me of people who are trying to come into their own form of power.  If only they can get enough fools to follow them.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-513928</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph,

When you own a large part ofthe country (as the Kochs do), you have many, MANY places to store your army.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph,</p>
<p>When you own a large part ofthe country (as the Kochs do), you have many, MANY places to store your army.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-513842</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I like guns, and other stuff like that, but wow, a Tank.  I have to side with the tank guys on this one.  I would like to own a tank.  But where would I put it???  I know, a part of the problem...  :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I like guns, and other stuff like that, but wow, a Tank.  I have to side with the tank guys on this one.  I would like to own a tank.  But where would I put it???  I know, a part of the problem&#8230;  :(</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-513719</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erika, I thought he was being used as a pontoon by the Wyoming Navy.

Don&#039;t cry, Sam, there is surely some jurisdiction that will allow you to wheel a cannon loaded with grapeshot down the street. After all, the Koch brothers have already paraded their very own private tanks down the street of a small Colorado town (not Aurora)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika, I thought he was being used as a pontoon by the Wyoming Navy.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t cry, Sam, there is surely some jurisdiction that will allow you to wheel a cannon loaded with grapeshot down the street. After all, the Koch brothers have already paraded their very own private tanks down the street of a small Colorado town (not Aurora)</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-513484</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that Rush Limbaugh has actually been commissioned as a Zeppelin in the Teabagistan Air Force :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that Rush Limbaugh has actually been commissioned as a Zeppelin in the Teabagistan Air Force :)</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-513481</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NRA is only respectable because the line of what is respectable has been moved so far.  The fact that they have a complete nutcase like Ted Nugent on their board speaks volumes.   What speaks even louder is the fact that they are a completely political organization now whose initials might as well stand for &quot;National Republican Association&quot; - yes, they endorse a few pro-gun conservative Democrats from rural areas for races that don&#039;t matter much (state legislatures, House of Representatives) - but for anything that counts they will always endorse - and actively campaign for - the Republican even over Democrats with more pro-gun records (see the 2009 Virginia Governors race if you doubt that is true).

For the NRA other conservative causes always take precedent even over guns.  That is why they embrace silly conspiracy theories (see their fearmongering that &quot;yes Obama hasn&#039;t done anything to take guns yet, but no question he will at sometime in the future&quot; fear).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NRA is only respectable because the line of what is respectable has been moved so far.  The fact that they have a complete nutcase like Ted Nugent on their board speaks volumes.   What speaks even louder is the fact that they are a completely political organization now whose initials might as well stand for &#8220;National Republican Association&#8221; &#8211; yes, they endorse a few pro-gun conservative Democrats from rural areas for races that don&#8217;t matter much (state legislatures, House of Representatives) &#8211; but for anything that counts they will always endorse &#8211; and actively campaign for &#8211; the Republican even over Democrats with more pro-gun records (see the 2009 Virginia Governors race if you doubt that is true).</p>
<p>For the NRA other conservative causes always take precedent even over guns.  That is why they embrace silly conspiracy theories (see their fearmongering that &#8220;yes Obama hasn&#8217;t done anything to take guns yet, but no question he will at sometime in the future&#8221; fear).</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-512742</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NRA is a respectable organization that fights for the rights of responsible gun owners, and believes that every American has a right to defend themselves against the thugs and maniacs that roam our streets.  The SPLC&#039;s core purpose is to also defend Americans from those thugs and maniacs. To link the NRA with extremist conspiracy theorists is counterproductive, to say the least. They will be getting my next donation that I had intended to send to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NRA is a respectable organization that fights for the rights of responsible gun owners, and believes that every American has a right to defend themselves against the thugs and maniacs that roam our streets.  The SPLC&#8217;s core purpose is to also defend Americans from those thugs and maniacs. To link the NRA with extremist conspiracy theorists is counterproductive, to say the least. They will be getting my next donation that I had intended to send to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-512677</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erika, the Republic of Teabagistan&#039;s Air Force has a picture of a flaming Nazi gas bag on their shoulder patches. Rush Limbaugh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika, the Republic of Teabagistan&#8217;s Air Force has a picture of a flaming Nazi gas bag on their shoulder patches. Rush Limbaugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pinkerton</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-512609</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pinkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of us who are LAWFUL gun-folk, the National Rifle Association is our premier civil-rights organization. One would expect them to be vigilant against gun-hatred, as the Anti-Defamation League is against anti-Semitism.

And, believe me, we CRINGE when outrages like the Colorado bat-massacre occur. 

Please pardon the capitalization, but I think I cannot make the comment program write italics from my machine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us who are LAWFUL gun-folk, the National Rifle Association is our premier civil-rights organization. One would expect them to be vigilant against gun-hatred, as the Anti-Defamation League is against anti-Semitism.</p>
<p>And, believe me, we CRINGE when outrages like the Colorado bat-massacre occur. </p>
<p>Please pardon the capitalization, but I think I cannot make the comment program write italics from my machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-510194</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As fearsome as the Wyoming Navy is, the Teabagistan Air Force will no doubt be much worse.  Obviously existing airplanes as products of science will not be allowed in Teabagistan - hence, one will only be able to fly by faith - faith and giant homemade wings :)

Bob, if the NRA is too moderate for you, you can always join the military of the Republican of Teabagistan - I strongly recommend against joining their Air Force.:P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As fearsome as the Wyoming Navy is, the Teabagistan Air Force will no doubt be much worse.  Obviously existing airplanes as products of science will not be allowed in Teabagistan &#8211; hence, one will only be able to fly by faith &#8211; faith and giant homemade wings :)</p>
<p>Bob, if the NRA is too moderate for you, you can always join the military of the Republican of Teabagistan &#8211; I strongly recommend against joining their Air Force.:P</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-510146</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US military, meant to say: was thinking of Wyoming Navy.

Bob, what the Fox are you talking about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US military, meant to say: was thinking of Wyoming Navy.</p>
<p>Bob, what the Fox are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No adopting anyone&#039;s talking points is needed; intelligent people have read the previous drafts and can see the real goals.
As usual, the NRA is walking gently when a big stick is what is needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No adopting anyone&#8217;s talking points is needed; intelligent people have read the previous drafts and can see the real goals.<br />
As usual, the NRA is walking gently when a big stick is what is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am old enough to remember when the NRA didn&#039;t do much but teach classes in marksmanship and gun safety.  I first became aware they&#039;d gone smack off the rails in 1994, when I went to a gun show in Orlando and saw some publication of theirs that had a picture of Janet Reno with a target on her. There are currently gun-rights organizations that make the NRA look like pansies.

The runaway sale and use of private arms out there has had untoward effects. This last July 4, if memory serves me, the denizens of a small town in Colorado discovered the tanks and other artillery parading through the town didn&#039;t belong to the U.S. Navy or the Colorado National Guard. They were the personal artillery of one of the Koch Brothers. Since then, I have been informed that quite a few richbies have been fielding these things in private war games, but this is the first time such an outfit has been paraded before the general public. Meanwhile, any number of &quot;liberals&quot; (often simply centrists) have been told by former &quot;friends&quot;, &quot;We&#039;re coming for you, and we have the better guns&quot;. Since a number of those who were threatened have been hunters, soldiers, or police, they have started arming themselves also, and quite a few formerly peaceable liberals have begun to learn. Thus, the trade in arms grows brisker, and the atmosphere more explosive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am old enough to remember when the NRA didn&#8217;t do much but teach classes in marksmanship and gun safety.  I first became aware they&#8217;d gone smack off the rails in 1994, when I went to a gun show in Orlando and saw some publication of theirs that had a picture of Janet Reno with a target on her. There are currently gun-rights organizations that make the NRA look like pansies.</p>
<p>The runaway sale and use of private arms out there has had untoward effects. This last July 4, if memory serves me, the denizens of a small town in Colorado discovered the tanks and other artillery parading through the town didn&#8217;t belong to the U.S. Navy or the Colorado National Guard. They were the personal artillery of one of the Koch Brothers. Since then, I have been informed that quite a few richbies have been fielding these things in private war games, but this is the first time such an outfit has been paraded before the general public. Meanwhile, any number of &#8220;liberals&#8221; (often simply centrists) have been told by former &#8220;friends&#8221;, &#8220;We&#8217;re coming for you, and we have the better guns&#8221;. Since a number of those who were threatened have been hunters, soldiers, or police, they have started arming themselves also, and quite a few formerly peaceable liberals have begun to learn. Thus, the trade in arms grows brisker, and the atmosphere more explosive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Zabetakis</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/19/conspiracists-adopt-nra-talking-points-on-un-arms-treaty/comment-page-1/#comment-509401</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Zabetakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a sign of political disengagement that these shrieking madmen can be seen as mainstream.

It has been true for at least a decade that you cannot slip a sheet of paper between the Democrat and Republican policies on gun control.

How can both gun owners and gun-control activists not see this?

But of course the subtext is that US arms companies do not want any international agreements that might limit proliferation of weapons, even to our enemies. The lobbyists can push the buttons of paranoiac Republican voters enough to scare the Senate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a sign of political disengagement that these shrieking madmen can be seen as mainstream.</p>
<p>It has been true for at least a decade that you cannot slip a sheet of paper between the Democrat and Republican policies on gun control.</p>
<p>How can both gun owners and gun-control activists not see this?</p>
<p>But of course the subtext is that US arms companies do not want any international agreements that might limit proliferation of weapons, even to our enemies. The lobbyists can push the buttons of paranoiac Republican voters enough to scare the Senate.</p>
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