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Nebraska Police Not Ruling Out Hoax in Attack on Lesbian
Police investigators in Lincoln, Neb., have not ruled out the possibility that a 33-year-old lesbian allegedly attacked last weekend because of her sexual orientation might have staged the hate crime. But they’re also not ready to call her story, which has ignited interest across the country, a complete fabrication.
Chief Jim Peschong told the Lincoln Journal Star that investigators, aided by the FBI, continue to search for suspects in the case but remain uncertain whether the attack even took place.
The woman, whom Nebraska gay advocates have dubbed “Rainbow Jane,” told police that three men wearing masks stormed into her house on Sunday, tied her ankles and wrists with zip ties and used knives to carve anti-LGBT epithets into her arms and stomach.
Lincoln attorney Megan Mikolajczyk, who represents the woman, told the Omaha World-Herald on Wednesday that her client was not yet prepared to make a statement on the attack.
“My No. 1 priority is her health and safety and her emotional well-being,” Mikolajczyk said. “I don’t know when she’ll be ready.
on July 26th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Yes, I agree that the story is suspicious. The word “carve” is inconsistent. To carve something in skin means that the victim would bleed to death very rapidly. I think what they really mean is “scratch”. (As far as I know there are no published pictures of the injuries.) That’s more consistent with self-harm than with a violent assault.
That’s why it is best not to jump down the throat of a skeptic even if that person is also a right-wing git.
on July 26th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Dan, funformenonlyinsnow was not being a skeptic – he was stating definitively that this was a hoax from the start – before anymore information was noted. He also was trying to claim that other gay people were involved. IT was crazy talk based on nothing more than hostility towards women, homosexuals, and especially homosexual women (despite his admitssion to watching lesbian porn).
I noted this article yesterday in saying that we do not want to make the opposite mistake.
on July 26th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I have no opinion on whether this was a real attack or a hoax, but I do know that one would not “bleed to death very rapidly” if words were carved in their skin. As long as no veins or arteries were severed–and there aren’t any in the epidermis–cuts result in only capillary bleeding, which is messy but not life-threatening. Even if the cuts were deep enough to nick blood vessels in the dermis, one would not bleed to death “very rapidly” because these vessels are also small and likely to clot long before sufficient blood is lost to endanger life. You have to lose a great deal of blood–about half a gallon–to die from blood loss.
on July 26th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
There’s a big difference between a healthy withholding of judgment until all the facts are in and an immediate declaration that a story must be false based on nothing but the reader’s prejudices. The latter is what funinsnow was doing, in the loudest, most obnoxious manner possible, and that’s why I accused him of hatefulness. He amply confirmed the accusation with his further remarks.
Dan, “carve” is a pretty loose term. It’s not hard to imagine cuts that go deep enough to be considerably more than “scratches” without going deep enough to make someone bleed out. Charles Manson’s forehead is evidence of that.
on July 26th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Skin carving is one of the newest forms of body art. If done correctly (and still very painfully) there is no death involved. Maybe an infection or two, but no deaths as of yet attributed to the art form.
on July 26th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
“Dan, “carve” is a pretty loose term. ”
It’s not too loose. It implies some significant degree of force and the removal of tissue. I did check to make sure that word was being used in news articles, and not just a poor word choice by our blogger.
The word ‘carve’ and a claim of a violent, brutal assault suggest to me deep wounds at the very least. A hate-motivated, violent gang is unlikely to be interested in the survival of the victim.
So for me the word “carve” seemed more emotive and less informative. And these sorts of self-injury have happened before. I’m just saying that it doesn’t look too good for the right-wing git to be seen as right-after-all.
(Keep in mind, I don’t agree with him about anything. It’s just that yesterday I saw a real danger that it might be a hoax.)
on July 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
This a very sad tragedy. Why would anyone in their right
mind want to stage a hoax? If this person is indeed a lesbian, shame on her fro staging this attack. She is hurting al the Gay, Lesbian and Trangeneders would really need all the help they need to stop these kinds of attacks.
on July 26th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Tawana Brawley. Rainbow Jane = a cutter’s cry for attention. I hope they bill her for the investigation.
on July 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Iin fact, “carve” is likely to indicate a wide, shallow gouge, capable producing plentiful capillary bleeding and of leaving noticeable scars, even keloids, but you wouldn’t bleed out. Seven years back I stuck my hands into a large dogfight, and my left forearm is rather carved. I did not, however, require a tournequet or pressure bandaging for it, only the application of a styptic/antiseptic powder on it.
on July 26th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
I guess that actually waiting for the investigation to be complete and more information to be available before jumping to conclusions is simply out of teh question :)
on July 26th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
” “carve” is likely to indicate a wide, shallow gouge”
In other words, not the sort of wounds to be inflicted by violent brutal attackers armed with knives.
And if your dog bites had been done with metal knife points they would have gone through the skin, muscle, even to the bone, and presented a very grave danger of bleeding out.
If the story does turn out to be a fabrication, the woman still deserves our sympathy because of the obvious psychological problems she is facing. At least (as far as we know) she hasn’t specifically accused anyone.
DanZ
on July 26th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Dan, if they had meant to kill her, they would have used serious blades. If they had meant to “brand” her, a church key or flathead screwdriver, possibly bent in the fashion of a hoofpick, would have been the implement of choice. If the wounds were inflicted by a woman, don’t rule out one of those nailjobs. We do not yet know who inflicted the wounds and on the face of it, those wounds were meant to brand and not kill. Further forensics will likely resolve the issue. Snotty superiority never will.
on July 26th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
It’s sad to note that setting the house on fire (likely intention: kill the woman, erase the evidence) after painting/carving (or whatever) anti-gay messages (likely intention: communicate the reason for the attack to others) appears to be suspiciously disunited aspects of this assault, if it actually happened.
It’s crucial to note that if this incident turns out to be staged, attributing it to a “hoax” (which signals to me malicious or puerile intent, along the lines of a prank) is almost certainly incorrect. It is a sign of mental illness. That among a population of millions of gays and lesbians, who are regularly targeted for abuse and assault, there will occasionally appear a mentally disturbed individual who responds in a disturbed way to being a member of such a group (widely targeted for abuse and assault) is to be expected and should be pitied.
on July 26th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
There have been a string of anti gay hate crimes in Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma. There is some serious denial by law enforcement there despite many citizens reporting these crimes. I blame it on churches that call gays demons and then tell followers to fight demons. People take it literally, with tragic consequences.
on July 27th, 2012 at 8:55 am
adamhill, you make a mistake in your logic – namely assuming that criminals are logical.
on July 27th, 2012 at 9:01 am
the latest article on the subject http://journalstar.com/news/lo.....0d56a.html
on July 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It doesn’t matter if she was carved or not, what matter is that she was attack. People are people no matter how society decides to label a person. We all have to learn to leave with one another, and be able to look beyond labels. My heart goes out to this WOMAN, and I hope that justice is served for you. I have two beautiful little girls and I don’t know what there future is going to look like, but I do know that I will fight for a better future for my children until the day I leave this world, that is way I will not stand still on the face of violence specially when it is against women and children.
Love,
Vero
DV/SA Advocate
DV/SA Advocate
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
” If they had meant to “brand” her, a church key or flathead screwdriver, possibly bent in the fashion of a hoofpick”
The news article specifically said “knives”.
There is also a news interview with the alleged victim online. I haven’t watched it yet.
DanZ
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Veronica is after mine own heart. First children, then women, then us “manly men”. A few of you may not agree, and that’s okay…that’s alright.
Being raised by a grandmother (sometimes), mother (sometimes), aunt (most of the time), and older sisters (notice – no fathers), somethings are just bound to rub off.
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I say it’s a hoax. People on Free Republic mostly agree with me that it’s a hoax and this lesbian id going to for sympathy and possibly insurance money, even asking help to do it.
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I think Rey was speaking hypothetically. You can carve with a knife. A girl in my high school carved my name into the top of her hand with a small pocket knife. I then proceeded to purposefully ensure that we did not inhabit the same space at the same time. I backed down from no man – but she had me running…
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Dan, y’ever check out stuff like Swiss Army utility blades, grapefruit knives, and a few other things? Unlike guns, few knives are made exclusively for killing, and many sports, cooking, and utility blades are totally unfitted to it in any but a very strong hand. Probably even the dirk, skene dhu, and misericorde were sometimes put to more mundane uses. Some of the utensils in my kitchen and tools for my garden could deal a deadly blow, if deliberately used so; most would not. If the lady was truly attacked, I doubt she got a good look, and the police often withhold such details anyway. Now, why are you trying to put the “pick” in picayune, *Dr.* Zabetakis? Still miffed?
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
funformenonlyinsnow – you and the vast majority of people would be claiming it was a hoax even after the attackers plead guilty to committing the crime :P
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Joseph is obviously a smart man :)
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
um, vast majority of people on the free republican site.
on July 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Oh goodie…he’s baaaack.
You wash your hands?
on July 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Joseph, for the record I’m a 2nd time virgin. While I watched XXX movies in my younger years (1988 & 1989) going to Pussycat Theater, I don’t watch anymore because a young woman is better than seeing it on movie screen. Also Joseph, I don’t eat Cheetos (don’t like the taste) & I don’t have a cowboy hat.
Erika, if it’s proven that this isn’t a hoax then I’ll admit it. But unless it’s proven otherwise, I’m going to say that this lesbian made up the story of being attacked by 3 men for sympathy. Gays & lesbians know that these cases make national news because it’s odd & strange. Homophobes such as me aren’t dumb enough to do something like this because it brings sympathy to those who do gay/lesbian sexual beahviors.
But OK Erika, there are dumb people out there. But people on Free Republic agree with me it’s a hoax. & Erika, Free Republic banned me because though I support the Free Republic on their views against homosexuality & transexuality, they banned me because I’m pro-choice on abortion. Free Republic only allows those who agree with them to post.
on July 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I am cranky this afternoon, but WTF about this “carve” thing? Talk about picking the fly sh*t out of the pepper.
FYI — I had my arm “carved” almost to the bone in spots, courtesy of a plate glass window that I didn’t see until I had crashed into it, and I managed not to bleed to death, although it was gross, painful, and embarrassing (walking through the window — very dork like). Yes — I still have scars, although for some reason the cuts healed better than these weird little white crescent moon shaped marks on the insides of my forearms which were from being grabbed by long-nailed girls in gym class back in school when we played basketball. Strange, but true. I always knew that high school would scar me for life.
I have to echo Erika’s first post — that one of the reasons many of us were displeased with funinsnow’s posts on this topic was because of the obvious misogyny that he displayed. Hoax or not, the man has a pretty warped view of women that, happily, isn’t shared by many of the other regular male contributors on this blog.
Also, as Krissy points out, there have been several pretty awful, seemingly gay-bashing induced crimes of late — including the shooting of two young women (yes — they were lesbians — so what?) in Texas. One died pretty much right away, the other was shot in the head and I haven’t heard how she was doing. Obviously, crimes like these, which appear to be motivated by hate, would put anyone on edge. (BTW — I had a male friend who was attacked in NYC by some guys who thought he was gay. He wasn’t. They were drunk on their behinds. Fortunately, he wasn’t killed, but their defense was that they thought he looked “swishy.” I could have easily told them that in terms of heterosexual performance he… well — I think you get the point.)
It will be interesting to see how this all turns out. I have to say, though, that if indeed a fire was set, that seems pretty far out there for a hoax, so I prefer to hold judgment until more is known. It is in my opinion, however, always “damned bad form” as the Brits would say to rush in to blame the victim (funinsnow — that comment is directed at you).
on July 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
If the consensus on Freak Republic is that it’s a hoax, it’s not a hoax. QED.
on July 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Even if it wasn’t coming from Our Favorite Freak, the fact that most Freepers are agreeing with him tells me that it probably isn’t a hoax.
I can’t wait for him to get ‘zotted’ from FR, too.
on July 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Whoops. I guess that’s what I get for not refreshing.
Sorry for parroting you, CM.
on July 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Erika-you’re right, criminals “are not logical”, although I’d say they actually are, in the sense that they aren’t irrational to the extent that their actions provide no evidence at all about motives, identity, etc., or absolute lack any organizing principle. The contradictions I mentioned, namely, leaving hate messages on the one hand and attempting to burn the place on the other (which would destroy those messages), could be the result of “illogic” or lack of organization, or drunkenness or panic or whatever.
In any case, the woman, Charlie Rogers, strikes me as quite earnest.
http://www.ketv.com/news/local.....index.html
on July 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Funinsnow is a troll. A profile that is probably accurate: he’s unmarried (probably divorced), economically insecure, and blames others for it. He’s balding and at least mildly obese. He has few or no friends. He hasn’t had sex in a long time. Although he’s never told anyone, he is deeply insecure about his penis size. He comforts himself by spending an unusually large amount of time watching online pornography, although it never seems to quite salve the pain he feels inside. He attempts similarly to find security by availing himself (anonymously) to extremist websites. Unlike most mature adults, he is incapable of, or severely unskilled at, regulating his emotions in the face of changing circumstances. He’s like a little boy, but in a body that is repugnant to many. He frequently thinks that no one understands him, and he’s angry about that. In truth, he probably understands himself very poorly.
In light of these conditions, the ideas funinsnow expresses here are only semi-sincere, because they are manifestations of a stunted personality. Ignore him, pity him, but don’t feed him.
on July 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
CoralSea, its pretty safe to say that funforhimbuttortureforwomeninsnow has such weird and warped views of sexuality and women that there are very few men who actually agree with him.
on July 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I find it odd for the police to even suggest that this could be a hoax before the investigation is completed. It makes it sound as if they do not have an open mind to the facts of the case.
As to the Free Republic comment. I was not aware that our justice system was a popularity contest. Let the facts of the case be determined and then let the facts be known.
I remember;
- the case of a gay youth being beaten, tied to a fence, having gasoline poured on them, and then burned alive.
- the recent shooting of two girls in Texas.
- the recent events of a southern church refusing to marry a black couple.
- the young man who took his own life after being video taped with another man.
Is it really so difficult to believe that this could have happened when similar acts of hatred are happening?
I am not sure if violence is getting worse or just better reported. I hope it’s the latter and not the former.
Either way, my heart goes out to the victims, survivors and families.
on July 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Why are we trying this incomplete story?
Just about every reported crime could be a hoax. It seems quite “profiling” for the police chief to suggest that.
The story is about a woman who was hurt badly. Some of the harm that came to her has bigoted-minded scars.
My heart goes out to her.
on July 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
If it was a real attack, then why would the ‘attackers’ stop after just 1 victim? You would think that if there is a gang of ‘masked anti-gay attackers’ out there they will probably strike again.
That’s the problem with creating a hoax,..it might actually inspire others to do it for real. A very dangerous tactic just to get attention for yourself or a ’cause’.
on July 28th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
If it was a real attack, then why would the ‘attackers’ stop after just 1 victim? You would think that if there is a gang of ‘masked anti-gay attackers’ out there they will probably strike again.
That’s the problem with creating a hoax,..it might actually inspire others to do it for real. A very dangerous tactic just to get attention for yourself or a ’cause’. If it was real or not, let us hope that this young person gets all the help she needs
on July 28th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
So, because of all the comments here about funforhimhellforherinsnow I had to go and read all of the comments on the other thread. Wow. Just wow. He’s like a train wreck. It’s so veryvery hard to look away.
Joseph ~ Thanks ever so much for the imagery of him in his white boxers and black cowboy boots. That had me in stiches and will last me through the day.
on July 29th, 2012 at 8:31 am
“That among a population of millions of gays and lesbians, who are regularly targeted for abuse and assault”
Regularly targeted for abuse and assault…really? Hate to break this to you, but it’s not 1960 anymore. As an out lesbian woman, I can assure you that as a group and individually, gays and lesbians are doing quite well here in the good old USA. And if there were actually a “string of anti-gay hate crimes across TX, NE, and OK” that were being ignored by law enforcement, somehow I think Gay Inc and the Media would be all over it. But they’re not.
As for this supposed ‘hate’ crime….well, I wouldn’t recommend running off to take part in one of those semi-religious candlelight vigils any time soon. The lady’s story just doesn’t hold water.
Victim-hood as status and power…if this is oppression, hoorah!
on July 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
And this from a gay conservative. Truly a match made in wingnut heaven.
You do realize your party utterly despises your very existence, right? I mean, you can’t be THAT stupid, can you?
How long would you last on FR before Jimmy Robinson ‘zotted’ you? I’d be curious to find out.
on July 30th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Why are comments moderated if you’re going to let things like duplicate posts through?
on July 30th, 2012 at 7:54 am
I don’t know where you’re living, Les Con, but a few miles can make a difference. What is cool in Ormond Beach or New Smyrna Beach can get you beat up, your house torched, or worse in Barberville or Oak Hill. If you are even what you say you are, I reckon your ears are stuffed in cotton.
If there were two or more perps, one may have meant only to brand her, but another to kill her.
on July 30th, 2012 at 7:56 am
By the way, I used to do some rather good soap carvings with a potato peeler.
on July 30th, 2012 at 8:39 am
It seems pretty clear from the comments on here and the previous story that jumping to conclusions is the most popular exercise in America :)
on July 30th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Les Con —
No way you are an “out lesbian” and are unaware of some of the recent hate crimes.
If you even are a lesbian (which I doubt), you are delusional, but I think you are a troller who was too dumb to do any research.
on July 30th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Why thank you – I’m here all week.
on July 30th, 2012 at 11:27 am
While I suspect that I have kissed more women than Les Con has, I still have to say: a lesbian supporting conservatives in this country is like a chicken supporting Chik-Fil-A
And yes, the choice of Chik-Fil-A was intentionally given their anti-gay activities :)
on July 30th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
While I suspect that I have kissed more women than Les Con has, I still have to say: a lesbian supporting conservatives in this country is like a chicken supporting Chik-Fil-A
But did they want to kiss you?
And as for Chik-Fil-A and hypocrisy…let me bring you up to pseed.
The mayor of Boston, Tom Menino, so vocal in his criticsm of Chik-Fil-A’s homophobia, gave the Islamic Society of Boston, an organisation that counts Yusuf Qaradawi as its “spiritual guide”, a “spiritual guide” who has openly called for the death penalty for homosexuality, was given 1.8 million in free city real-estate so as to build a giant mosque from which, no doubt, calls will go up for the murder of queers.
Chik-Fil-A defends traditional marriage, something they’ve evedry consitutional right to do, and they’re raked over the coals.
Meanwhile, Boston’s principle Mosque, built on land donated by some ridiculous liberal officials, gets a complete pass when its principle “spiritual guide” openly advocates the death penalty for homosexuality.
Everyone on this thread, apart from Les Con, LIVES IN THE PAST…the 60s.
on July 30th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Evan — I always find it interesting when people use arguments such as, “well, they are bad and you haven’t condemned them even though you have condemned the OTHER guy,” as their basis of fact. Say what? Chik-fil-A was mentioned by others and it is a current issue — but since I, for one, don’t live in Boston, I don’t know the story behind the Mosque of which you write.
So the Imam or someone involved with it thinks gay people should be executed? If so, that’s despicable, and I don’t know anyone who is a progressive who wouldn’t think so. What is your point? Someone donated land? I don’t know the backstory there.
There are a lot of groups who actively agitate against LGBT persons. I don’t agree with any of them — including the Fundamentalist Christians who spread lies about them. But in terms of beliefs — there isn’t much I or anyone else can do about that except choose not to support such persons or organizations. I, for example, don’t patronize Chick-Fil-A, although I was unaware of the gay angle; my reasons for not giving them my business has to do with their anti-choice advocacy (although now I have another reason to avoid giving them my money).
It would be nice if we could, simply through talk, persuade people to “agree” with our beliefs, but that doesn’t always happen. I would — and I am sure that others would — step up to actively protest attempts to push for violence against LGBT persons (e.g., actively exhorting people to do violence to others, pushing legislation for capital punishment — It doesn’t appear from your post that anyone involved in the Mosque has done this, but several Christian fundamentalist groups were actively pushing for this in Uganda a couple of years ago.) To me, Chik-Fil-A’s owner’s stance doesn’t rise to this–it’s just bigoted. I expect that they will lose a lot of customers (but they may gain others who agree with their position).
As for your comment that we are “living in the 60s,” well, this is just plain mystifying. I think, if anything, progressives tend to live more in the future than in the past (some conservatives seem quite stuck in the past — as in the 50s, in terms of the “nuclear family” concept, or the 1890s, in terms of labor unions of women’s voting, or 1800, in terms of slavery). I say that we live in the future because many of us are aware that time is on our side, and that members of the younger generations are, in general, more tolerant of gay rights and a lot less racist or sexist (although there are some notable exceptions, some of which are documented on these pages).
I have to ask — what stake do YOU have in this? Do you think there isn’t any discrimination against LGBT people? Do you think that, if there is, it’s okay (or even appropriate). Are you simply angry because you don’t feel that the world is functioning according to your expectations? Or do you simply look for issues that you can get offended over?
“You can’t complain about this if you didn’t complain about that” is just incredibly juvenile.
on July 30th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
T. Ruthisbest –
While some crimes are committed as part of a spree, other criminals (including groups of criminals), may commit their crimes serially — or they may commit a particular crime once, decide that it didn’t quite float their boat as much as they hoped it would, and do something else instead.
Your highly (un)penetrating logic is, ah, highly silly.
on July 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Evan, I kind of get the impression that you are living in the 1860s :P
on July 30th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Evan, perhaps you would prefer:
a lesbian who is pro-conservative is like a red herring who is pro-Evan
on July 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Coral Sea,
Your patience with such people as these goes beyond Anvil territories. We may be looking at a Golden Sigmoidoscope.
on July 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Reynardine –
ewwwww! I just Googled that term (thought I knew, but wanted to be sure). Again — eewwww!
I work with a lot of people who, at least at first glance, may have odd or even icky ideas, but who, after you dig a bit further, (oh, God — now I’m thinking of “dig” in regard to intestines) their ideas may have some interesting bases in fact. I may not agree with them, but I am always interested in where people’s ideas come from.
Also, lame as it is to say, language — as in the words that get used — can sometimes lead to massive misunderstandings, hence my interest in probing (oh!) further and trying to determine whether we are, indeed, on the same page.
on July 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
CoralSea, you really are so much more patient and nicer than I am with people like Evan :)
on July 30th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
If so, that’s despicable, and I don’t know anyone who is a progressive who wouldn’t think so. What is your point? Someone donated land? I don’t know the backstory there.
If so??
What is your point?
Vottorio Arrigoni?
And you don’t know the “backstory”.
Like I said, everyone commenting here lives in the past.
Sorry for living in the present.
on July 31st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Yusuf Qaradawi was banned from the U.S. in 1999 and the U.K. in 2008 for opinions he had expressed, something Evan should be arguing he has “evedry [sic] constititional right to do.” And likewise, we all have the same right to “rake Chik-fil-A over the coals,” though only figuratively, of course.
Just another example of the sophistic right-wing claim that anyone’s criticism of a right-winger amounts to a call for censorship, but their own criticism of anyone they don’t like is simply the exercise of free speech.
on July 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Evan, your last utterance may qualify you for a Shuttle award, but I’ll leave that to Supersonic.
on July 31st, 2012 at 9:44 am
Aron,
No apology necessary, a few minutes’ difference and I would have been the one looking repetitious.
on July 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Evan, if your goal was complete and total incoherence you have achieved it.
Perhaps you do live in the present since unfortunately grade school level insults have been made acceptable as “political discourse” thanks to some people with a whole lot of money looking for a whole lot of power and not really caring how they achieve it. And of course, there are many people who are perfectly willing to take the money to drag the public discourse through the sewer. Of course, for most people grade school level insults would be a decent – but for you they may be an improvement.
If you want to eat the greasy overpriced chicken sandwiches from Chik-Fil-A nobody is stopping you.
If you post unsubstantiated claims about something, don’t be surprised when nobody takes your word for it.
on July 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
I believe that the accusation that we’re “living in the Sixties” means that we still hope to achieve a more just world.
on July 31st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Okay, Evan — I give up trying to understand you. You didn’t respond in a way that provided any additional insights into your thoughts.
I Googled (or, actually, Yahooed) Vottorio Arrigoni, who you had mentioned, and read the Wikipedia entry on him (I thought, perhaps, he was the “liberal donor” of the Mosque property you were referencing before). He is (was) instead an Italian reporter, writer, pacifist, and activist (according to Wikipedia) who was pro-Palestinian, but was apparently killed by a Palestinian fiction.
Okay…so how is he connected to homophobic Mosque members in Boston and/or Chik-Fil-A?
I have concluded from your posts that apparently, if someone is unacquainted with something that you are aware of (the Mosque in Boston), this means they are “living in the past.” My dear — there are many things I could bring up to you of which you are likely to be completely ignorant. I wouldn’t consider you to be either stupid and/or living in the past if you were unaware of some regional news item. No one — no matter how well informed — is conversant with every issue of current interest or concern EVERYWHERE.
And how is lack of awareness regarding something that has been going on in Boston a mark that someone who is living in Chicago and works in Houston, Fort Worth, and New Orleans an indication that someone is living in the past?
I think I shall return to my original impressions of you that you are either suffering from depression or some other mental disorder that causes you to act like a raving pr&ck, or that you are simply doing so for your own amusement.
I’m done. In your case, I cede to the conclusion that talking to you is useless.
on July 31st, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Coral Sea, sounds like the sigmoidoscope hit a hopelessly malignant condition, rather than just the usual fecal impaction. Certainly, I recommend Supersonic consider him for a Shuttle, though that fellow with the red-black Christ, though not as prolific, seems even spacier.
on July 31st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Renardine, I suspect that someone told Evan that the 60s were “evil” and therefore he has to oppose them. Being born several years after the 1960s ended I don’t really know what it could possibly mean.
on July 31st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
CoralSea,
I’ve lived in Boston my entire life, and I read the Globe every day. I’ve never heard of this mosque controversy before.
I think Evan is pulling this from the southernmost sphincter on his person.
on July 31st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Well, Evan got the Hammerhead last week, and this week he hardly got noticed, so now he’s trying for that Shuttle award.
Erika, the Sixties stood for everything Ayn Rand hated, such as egalitarianism, a contempt for materialism, dialogue with foreign peoples, and a spirit of helpfulness.. That’s why, from the Reagan era on, they were portrayed as evil.
on August 1st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Evan,
Regarding Chick-fil-A “defending traditional marriage”, it’s pretty clear that cash flow speaks louder than so-called Christian principles.
No sooner did sales tank than the corporate spokesman Don Perry, who died shortly thereafter of a heart attack (unrelated I suppose to a diet of fried chemical-saturated foods), went on the defensive claiming that Chick-fil-A wants to leave the debate.
It’s pretty obvious that this organization “guided by Christian principles” in fact worships Mammon. By the way if you want to find out more about the frightening list of chemicals, preservatives and food additives that go into a Chick-fil-A sandwich peep this blog post:
http://blog.hqperformance.com/.....cal-fil-a/
on August 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
If gays & lesbians quit their sexual behaviors and go celibate, then ‘homophobia’ would disappear. If it’s predicted an unborn baby would take part in gay/lesbian activities in adulthood, then go ahead and abort. Also abort unborn transexauls. Aborting unborn gay, lesbian and transexual fetus is same as aborting unborn babies predicted to be retarded. Transexuals are worse and they should make it a crime to do sex change maimings.
on August 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
funformenonlyinsnow, woudln’t it be easier to prohibit anyone from engaging in heterosexual sex to avoid the danger of the possibility of a homosexual baby being born? Obviously the first step will be banning straight marriage because it leads to straight sex which could lead to babies.
When that fails, due to heterosexuals just not being able to control their urge to copulate, we will have to go to step two – requiring all female or all male schools, workplaces, etc.
When that fails, the next step will be to require people engaging in sexual activity to conduct mutual masturbation or sodomy since there would be no chance at pregnancy resulting.
When that finally fails, the final step will be to lock all men and boys up in prison – why men, because if men are free, there is the possibility of rape which could potentially result in pregancy.
So funformenonlyinsnow – unless you are ready to volunteerly report to prison for the crime of being male I do not believe you are being serious ;)
on August 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Oh dear…
It looks like funinsnow read World Net Daily a few years back when I cannot remember what fringe columnist (maybe Farah himself or his bald-headed chief consort, can’t remember his name) wrote that the way to perplex progressives is to propose abortion as a means to eradicate LGBT genetic markers.
Could you not at least cite your source instead of claiming this idea for yourself funinsnow? Don’t assume people here are unread or uneducated. We actually do pay attention to the crap that is unloaded onto the internet by the radical right. We are neither shocked nor surprised by such things, and it really just speaks to your own insecurities.
My guess is that you are deeply repressed in your own sexuality and project this as hatred upon those who are fully realized in theirs. By the way “celibate” means unmarried, not non-sexual.
Now then, let us help you, my dear. What is it exactly about same sex intimacy that bothers you? That you are not taking part? There are support groups who can help you with this you know…you might find someone there just like you!
on August 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Funinsnow –
I just LOVE people who try to solve THEIR problems by dictating how other people should live. How does it hurt YOU if gays and lesbians exist and go about their lives? Your hatred is YOUR problem — not theirs. You remind me of the Islamic extremists who believe that women must be covered from head to toe lest men, who are (apparently) inherently incapable of exercising any self control, rape them. Such a worldview sells men short and makes women pay a price simply for being who they are.
The world doesn’t revolve around you — although I believe that you have figured this out and it enrages you, hence your on-line tantrums. You are a frightened man who thinks you can solve your own problems by lashing out at those who elect to live their lives as they see fit. I am sad for you — but I am a lot sadder for the people on the receiving end of your venom (in the real world), although you probably keep mum most of the time because you know that “the idiots” don’t agree with you.
on August 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Wow. Funinsnow isn’t just a raging moron, but he’s also a eugenicist. Who’d've thunk it. It’s hard to believe he’s SUCH a likable person with SO many loved ones…
on August 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
CoralSea, good call with the comparision between funformenonlyinsnow and the Islamic extremists – my guess is that funformenonlyinsnow fully agrees with them about women
on August 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Erika,
Considering he is an admitted Stormfronter, that wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.