Comments on: Judge Orders Neo-Nazi Bill White to Undergo Psych Evaluation http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:59:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: aadila http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-551636 aadila Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:06:18 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-551636 Anyone who has regular contact with prison populations is likely to confirm how common mental illness is within correctional facilities. Though perhaps our medieval prison system with its torture and execution is partly responsible for this. In any case, I don't think anyone like Bill White is going to be all right in the head... but did he or does he have the mental faculties to distinguish between right and wrong? Moral confusion or amoral value systems do not necessarily indicate insanity. I personally would like to see a prison system that values humanity and strives for rehabilitation through (1) faith based counseling to provide ethical foundations and a new sense of self, (2) drug and alcohol abuse treatment, (3) education leading to GED or higher degrees as appropriate, (4) vocational training and skill building including such things as communication and conflict resolution. These four things alone or in combination have been shown to make a huge difference in keeping people out of prisons once they re-enter society. The zero tolerance and punishment model fails to do so. Anyone who has regular contact with prison populations is likely to confirm how common mental illness is within correctional facilities. Though perhaps our medieval prison system with its torture and execution is partly responsible for this.

In any case, I don’t think anyone like Bill White is going to be all right in the head… but did he or does he have the mental faculties to distinguish between right and wrong? Moral confusion or amoral value systems do not necessarily indicate insanity.

I personally would like to see a prison system that values humanity and strives for rehabilitation through (1) faith based counseling to provide ethical foundations and a new sense of self, (2) drug and alcohol abuse treatment, (3) education leading to GED or higher degrees as appropriate, (4) vocational training and skill building including such things as communication and conflict resolution.

These four things alone or in combination have been shown to make a huge difference in keeping people out of prisons once they re-enter society. The zero tolerance and punishment model fails to do so.

]]> By: someone http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-547814 someone Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:25:39 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-547814 I initially suspected some variant of the strawman arguments as well, but if you read the letter he wrote (linked in the June 27 post), he appears to be making a metaphysical statement instead. He also claims to have been given medication in prison that caused a psychotic state. Might be a shift towards esoteric Nazism? The Kali Yuga references suggest it. I guess it's possible he's setting up an insanity defense, but I don't think so. I initially suspected some variant of the strawman arguments as well, but if you read the letter he wrote (linked in the June 27 post), he appears to be making a metaphysical statement instead. He also claims to have been given medication in prison that caused a psychotic state.

Might be a shift towards esoteric Nazism? The Kali Yuga references suggest it. I guess it’s possible he’s setting up an insanity defense, but I don’t think so.

]]> By: Kiwiwriter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-544580 Kiwiwriter Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:56:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-544580 I don't think Bill White is crazy. He may be nuts, but he's not crazy. I wonder how he liked Mexico? I don’t think Bill White is crazy. He may be nuts, but he’s not crazy.

I wonder how he liked Mexico?

]]> By: adamhill http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-542478 adamhill Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:04:58 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-542478 Bill White's Facebook posts written while he was on the lam, a time when he was probably believing he would never be caught, were perfectly lucid, at least in the sense that they didn't exhibit the kind of psychosis whose symptoms he is now (apparently) simulating. Even the most intelligent WNs lie at the lowest tail of the bell curve, because if one has half a brain, one doesn't have WN beliefs. Bill White’s Facebook posts written while he was on the lam, a time when he was probably believing he would never be caught, were perfectly lucid, at least in the sense that they didn’t exhibit the kind of psychosis whose symptoms he is now (apparently) simulating. Even the most intelligent WNs lie at the lowest tail of the bell curve, because if one has half a brain, one doesn’t have WN beliefs.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536809 Reynardine Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:53:17 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536809 Aron: Check The Miami Herald files from the mid '80's for those terms. Aron: Check The Miami Herald files from the mid ’80’s for those terms.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536763 Joseph Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:01:32 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536763 He's still got supporters? I figured they would have thrown him to the wolves for "projecting weakness". He’s still got supporters? I figured they would have thrown him to the wolves for “projecting weakness”.

]]> By: Mitch Beales http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536681 Mitch Beales Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:42:19 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536681 Ruslan I've heard that White's supporters are very athletic. Ruslan I’ve heard that White’s supporters are very athletic.

]]> By: Aron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536679 Aron Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:39:48 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536679 OK Rey, now I'm interested. I've looked up Gib o' the Woods and the King's Men (in several permutations), and I can find nothing. Is there some hint you might be willing to drop? OK Rey, now I’m interested. I’ve looked up Gib o’ the Woods and the King’s Men (in several permutations), and I can find nothing.

Is there some hint you might be willing to drop?

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536594 Reynardine Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:08:51 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536594 I would recommend that the judge in that case have a little talk with Rep. Alcee Hastings about Gib o' the Woods and the King's Men. Further I say not. I would recommend that the judge in that case have a little talk with Rep. Alcee Hastings about Gib o’ the Woods and the King’s Men. Further I say not.

]]> By: Erika http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536335 Erika Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:20:38 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536335 You'd have to be completely crazy to try to fake an insanity defense. Being found NGRI is generally much worse than being found guilty because it can result in decades in secure "treatment" environments and practically guarantees a lifetime of supervision and forced treatment (medication). The side effects of many of the antipsychotic medications are also extremely nasty. But in any case, if he is in fact malingering they will be able to find out very quickly. You’d have to be completely crazy to try to fake an insanity defense. Being found NGRI is generally much worse than being found guilty because it can result in decades in secure “treatment” environments and practically guarantees a lifetime of supervision and forced treatment (medication). The side effects of many of the antipsychotic medications are also extremely nasty.

But in any case, if he is in fact malingering they will be able to find out very quickly.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-536161 Ruslan Amirkhanov Thu, 09 Aug 2012 06:52:02 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-536161 "Some of White’s supporters..." Bill White still has supporters? "“It is not clear whether … Bill has gone crazy, is trying to pull the clerk’s leg, is trying to convince the court that he is crazy or is up to some cunning plot. " It may be fake, but it's anything but cunning. Just like the claim that he escaped to Iran. “Some of White’s supporters…”

Bill White still has supporters?

““It is not clear whether … Bill has gone crazy, is trying to pull the clerk’s leg, is trying to convince the court that he is crazy or is up to some cunning plot. ”

It may be fake, but it’s anything but cunning. Just like the claim that he escaped to Iran.

]]> By: Gregory http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-535960 Gregory Thu, 09 Aug 2012 02:28:51 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-535960 He should be quite happy in a Federal prison, since he would be amongst so many of his followers. He should be quite happy in a Federal prison, since he would be amongst so many of his followers.

]]> By: Aron http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-535653 Aron Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:14:53 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-535653 Mitch, Do not stop. Proceed directly to Home and receive 200 Internets. That comment was HILARIOUS! Mitch,

Do not stop. Proceed directly to Home and receive 200 Internets.

That comment was HILARIOUS!

]]> By: Mitch Beales http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/08/judge-orders-neo-nazi-bill-white-to-undergo-psych-evaluation/comment-page-1/#comment-535620 Mitch Beales Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:30:23 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9522#comment-535620 If "Bill is attempting a garbled version of the straw man" argument it appears that he has gone to OZ in search of a brain! If “Bill is attempting a garbled version of the straw man” argument it appears that he has gone to OZ in search of a brain!

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