If that’s the case let’s just scrub the mission. Sorry Ruslan.

10,000 foot statue, with wheels? Hmm….

I disagree with this statement because there may be a problem with the philosophy of racial divide amongst the smaller communities in Wisconsin and we need to ask ourselves where the police force is being recruited from?

If a complete stranger can move here and see and identify the problem then I can’t imagine that those who have been here for years don’t know it exists. What I am more inclined to believe is that it is a way of life and has become a norm and many have become complacent with its existence.

I also agree that while we have focused on the terrorists threats abroad we have indeed ignored our own terrorists being bred right here in the states and we need our homeland security to really look deep into those employed here that have the position and power to protect these active racist. Furthermore, there needs to be more intelligence sharing amongst the communities that are targeted by these groups. They are not always as open with their deeds. They can be very complex in their criminal activities employed covert methods and operations. So you see why having our military training and enlisting the methods of other American intelligence training could serve them well in growing their organizations and at the same time using stealth methods to employ their criminal acts of hate. We need outside over site and education to guide and apply checks and balances to these local police forces as well.

There, someone finally said. The dinosaurs are going extinct, and they’re not happy about it.

I suspect that Mr. Wade had the idea that by massacring some of his declared enemies and then dying himself, he could inspire hundreds, nay, thousands, of like-minded people to rise from their computers and internet flame wars to charge forward to lead the revolution against the Zionist Occupational Government, overthrow the regime, bring racial utopia, massacre all the subhumans, and raise giant statues of Mr. Wade throughout the rebuilt United States, honoring him for his vision and sacrifice.

Instead, Mr. Wade ends the way all these would-be glorious martyrs end up…dead and despised. The like-minded junior Fascists hide behind their computer screens and mutter grimly that the whole incident was a government plot. Nobody rising from their seats to take to the streets in the great revolution. No overthrow of the government. No statues of Mr. Wade. He will be forgotten by everyone…

…Everyone but the families of the innocent human beings he gunned down. They, sadly, will remember him forever.

I have known one mind the marrow of his, and further seasoned by having both survived and understood the major upheavals of the Twentieth Century. She passed on two decades ago; as it is, Ruslan is both impressive and unique.

Next you know you will be claiming that Mike Huckabee’s children’s history cartoons are better than Bugs Bunny. Don’t forget that disobedient children should be stoned to death (incidentailly, if that was the rule, I wouldn’t have made it past preschool because I have always been a complete brat) and that listening to rock and roll will cause you to go straight to Hell.

All sarcasm aside in your list of nutcase states you forgot the two I’ve lived in: Georgia and Virginia. Souih Carolina is ultra crazy as well. And Louisiana. And Texas.

But really, if I remeber correctly the big hangup here was Texas and Virginia: the U.S. objected to provisions banning the execution of children or sentence children to long prison sentences. I think that Louisiana even wanted to be able to execute children for raping younger children. Indiana set a minimum age for the death penalty at 12.

I believe there were also objections from certain states that the treaty might force them to give up their God given right to paddle misbehaving kindergarteners

What a shining beacon for human rights and liberty the U.S. is (oopsie, more sarcasm)

No credit due to me. My mind is only great enough to quake in terror of Ruslan’s mind.

But thanks all the same…

Erika, there is always the danger that by protecting children from perverts the United States will sign on to a one-way ticket to global socialism. Thank goodness we have Kansas, Alabama, Tennessee and a few other states there to keep us safe from any threat to American exceptionalism. Besides our responsibility as God fearing Americans is care about children in the womb. Whatever happens afterwards is the kid’s problem so don’t tread on me or my guns!

See? It’s the Chick Tracts. They changed me!

I believe that they have also taken a stand against slavery, which is still a big thing throughout the world — including slavery and near-slavery in the U.S. (I know that SPLC recently did a report on the abuse of hospitality workers brought in from abroad and basically forced to do minimum wage work rather than undergo the training they thought they had signed on for — certainly a form of quasi-slavery or wage-theft.) Crain’s Chicago Business, which, as its name suggests, is a regional business publication, also ran a frontpage article a few months ago about the staggeringly high number of workers — typically low-wage, sometimes immigrant for often plain old Uhmerkins, as Reynardine would say — are shorted on pay or completely stiffed by employers who had no financial reason to do so, but did it because they could.

I found it interesting that aadila and Ruslan also independently hit upon the stupidity of resting one’s arguments regarding misdeeds on the “but they did it too!” defense. I guess great minds think alike.

Reynardine — Congrats on the book. I’ll have to look for it.

I know I read one case where the defense was that the defendant had traveled to China (I think maybe it was Vietnam) for business and as a “frolic and detour” – yes that is the actual legal term for a sidetrip on a business trip – just happened to have sex with children while there. So his argument was that he didn’t travel for purpose of having sex with children – he just happened to have sex with child prostitutes when he was there for other purposes. He lost and got convicted. But its interesting because of jurisdictional issues, the crime is technically traveling to the other country. Naturally I completely agree that the disgusting icky perv pedophiles who engage in such activity should be locked up for a long time.

I also believe there is an international treaty which prohibits child prostitution and Constitutionally the U.S. can prosecute violations of customary international law regardless of where they take place (the provision was specifcially designed to fight piracy). I’m not sure if the U.S. has signed the U.N. Convention for the Rights of Children however.

Speaking of red herrings, “Red Herring” is the name of the novel I just completed. It will be coming out in September, from King’s Road Press, as: “Red Herring: The Stinking Trail… Police Corruption in Washington Heights, by Joe Sanchez and Mo Dhania [me]“. I submit that my co-author has lived an interesting life and I know how to talk about it.

Oh good, you doubled-down on the idiocy. First of all, the idea of “white” was a colonial invention, so really we’re talking about Europeans, a diverse group of people. They owned slaves as much as any other group of people. As for slavery today in Africa, it’s irrelevant to issues related to slavery in the US. Black Americans are Americans, not Africans. Also, slavery does indeed continue in Europe, though folks want to pretend it doesn’t.

“In fact, african history is a history of slavery.”

Replace “African” with “human” and you’re more accurate.

“If you’re going to say, “white men have a history of owning slaves.” Be prepared to be corrected when you’re wrong. What you should have said was white men have the least amount of history as being slave owners.”

1. In America they sure as hell do have a “history.”

“In fact, white men are the only people in the history of the world to have fought a war to end slavery for a race which wasn’t their own race. 600,000 white men died in the civil war to free black people. Name another race that’s done that for any other race.”

They also fought wars to wipe out other races in various territories. What is your point?

“I don’t have the time nor the inclination to debunk all your rantings. For someone claiming to be against hatred you sure preach a lot of it to stir up hatred.”

Judging by your idiotic claims about prostitution, you really ought not be using terms like “debunk.”

Slavery is indeed an ancient practice, observable around the world at many different times and involving many different cultures, religions, and ethnicities. But this does not absolve white Europeans in Africa and the New World from the unprecedented scale and institutionalization of mercantile slavery, at a time when new notions of liberty and individual expression for whites were on the rise in Europe and the Americas.

Nor do such putrified red herrings address the economic distortions slavery had on the distribution of wealth and opportunities along racial lines, which can be easily seen in present day America.

NWOslave–many regrettable and horrible things have happened in the past. I daresay that one can find examples of forced prostitution and slavery, to name a few, in the majority of cultures and peoples at one time or another.

Does that make it less wrong? After all, theft and murder has also been going on since history was first recorded — and I expect well before that.

Do I believe that cultures that promote or condone slavery or the prostitution of unwilling children (Note: I would consider all children “unwilling”–hey, they are kids) or adults, including prostitution under duress to pay for “passage” to a (hopefully) better economic, political, social situation should be condemned? Absolutely. And yes — human trafficking for sex and forced labor is a big thing world-wide, including in the U.S. I do think it is wrong for people to turn a blind eye to this, or for governments to allow it, either to boost their economies (or the “personal economies” of corrupt officials or their cronies) or simply because it’s expensive to deal with? Absolutely! Does the fact that it happens, the “other guys do it,” make it less despicable, or let others who do it off the hook. No. Actually, Hell no!

I wish, for example, that the U.S. government would prosecute Americans who book “sex holidays” in other countries that involve (especially), sex with children. But this is a diplomatic issue, like many others that allow international abominations to occur.

SPLC and various human rights groups have worked to raise awareness of these issues, particularly involving those that are happening NOW. SPLC has had a number of articles on “wage theft,” among other things, that is definitely a form of slavery and that affects immigrants and lower-income people of every color.

Other groups that address the issues of slavery and forced prostitution include various women’s rights groups, although some men tend not to notice their work (I am not automatically including you in this category — and all of us tend to “filter out” information that doesn’t seem to apply to us). I remember a letter to the editor in the Wall Street Journal from a man, shortly before the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, responding to the Taliban’s oppression of women by huffily stating (“well, I see women’s groups have given them a pass because they (meaning the Taliban) weren’t white men” or something to that effect). Actually, the WSJ had run several articles on the plight of women under the Taliban — this guy probably just paged past them.

Before my digression there, I meant to say that many women’s rights groups (who also often address children’s rights, as well) are seeking to deal with institutional, cultural, and social factors and traditions that serve to perpetuate the abuse of women and children (and men who can also be pressed into slavery — don’t know the stats on prostitution and don’t care to speculate, although prostitution of boys is well-documented). And then we have the greed meets sociopath factor that cuts across all cultures.

Although it is important to study and remember history, we can’t allow important issues to be bogged down by it. A lot of bad things used to happen. Does this mean that we give those who are engaging in them NOW a pass. If so, then I guess we should simply throw in the towel and let anyone do anything.

That is how silly it is to attempt to excuse bad behavior by alluding to other bad behavior! Enough already.

NWO, congratulations! After two weeks of our dealing with interesting anomalies, you have proven the classic Hammerhead is still around.

I like to think I recite the history that I am aware of. In the hopes of it not be repeated, or forgotten. Because I’ve noticed that a lot of people who post here would like for a lot of history to be forgotten. Just swept under the rug.

But if we forget it, we will repeat it. That would be too convenient for others.

If I am spewing hatred, there are people here who will let me know. If I am wrong, there are people here who will let me know. I hope you don’t mind if I defer to their opinions rather than yours.

Meanwhile, as for who has been historically the most enslaved group in history, perhaps the following can provide a clue: prostitution was called the “white slave trade” for a reason – in fact, the Mann Act was alternatively known as the White Slave Trafficking Act. See, honey, the most enslaved group throughout history and continuing today has been women of all races. And honey, white women continue to be enslaved in the “white slavery trade” – especially from eastern Europe and of course within the United States – and guess what, it is generally white men who run the “white slave trade.” I guess to you it doesn’t matter because you aren’t a woman.

And sweetie, sex slavery is in fact slavery. White people also came up with the concept of debt peonage and sharecropping which didn’t only oppress black people in the south. many poor whites were also stuck in virtual slavery through debt peonage and sharecropping (not to mention the practice of the sheriff roudning up “vagrants” come harvesting time)..

No, I am not wrong. White men have a history of owning slaves – FACT. And having sex with them – FACT. I learned that in a white public education system. – FACT.

But what you’re implying is, it’s okay, because “the blacks” have been enslaving themselves longer the whites have. Right?

You are actually PROVING my rantings. How exactly do you prove anything that I have said – Wrong?

What did I lie about? Name one falsehood.

And if you want a true history of the white man in America, written by a WHITE MAN in America, read the highly lauded author of Flags of Our Fathers and his book Flyboys.

Yeah, you need to read a few books by James Bradley and come back and tell me about our “proud” heritage.

And when was the last time you wore a uniform and picked up a gun for the good ol’ US of A, and actually went to some of these other slave owning countries to get a better opinion of the slave trade? You ever see the ruins of the slave fortress in Sierra Leone?

I think you’re talking out the side of your mouth. You;ve disproved nothing. And you didn’t correct me. You only stated something I have said myself in previous posts on other threads.

And exactly how do white people have the least amount of time on Earth as slave owners? I guess the Roman, Green and Byzantine Civilizations mean absolutly nothing to your line of history does it?

And White Americans are not the only people in the world to take up arms against slavery. I think a few 18th and 19th century British Soldiers may disagree with you about that if they were alive to tell their stories about intercepting the slave trade and fighting slave traders on the open ocean.

Incidentally, I don’t hate white people, but I don’t like you very much at all. I don’t care about your time or your inclinations.

I do however find a lot of humor in you making an ass out of yourself on the internet.

Imagine that.

And all this time I was here thinking the human race was the human race.