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Kobach Tells Civil Rights Commission He’d Never Help a Known Bigot

By Leah Nelson on August 20, 2012 - 12:45 pm, Posted in Anti-Immigrant, Anti-Latino, Hate Groups

Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State and the architect of harsh, anti-immigrant laws in several states and cities, made a special trip to Hatewatch’s home state last week to testify in Birmingham before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

The statutes pushed by Kobach – among them Arizona’s SB 1070 and Alabama’s even more draconian HB 56 – were devised to make life so miserable for undocumented immigrants that they give up and “self-deport.” A lawyer with degrees from Harvard, Oxford and Yale, he began crafting anti-immigrant policy while working in John Ashcroft’s Department of Justice. In 2004, he was hired as senior counsel to the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI), where he devised immigration legislation that would later serve as the basis of the laws in Arizona and Alabama. (IRLI is the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an anti-immigrant hate group that yearns for a return to the days when immigration policy favored light-skinned northern Europeans over all others.)

These days, Kobach serves as secretary of state of Kansas, where he has pushed worryingly restrictive voter ID laws and continued to be active in immigration restriction efforts across the country. On Friday, he appeared in Birmingham as a witness at a U.S. Commission on Civil Rights field briefing on the civil rights impact of the state immigration laws he drafted and pushed.

Protesters were ready. At one point during his testimony, five women stood up to reveal T-shirts that spelled out “Stop Hate.” They were followed by a series of demonstrators carrying banners reading “Undocumented,” who interrupted Kobach, shouting over him in Spanish and English until police arrived to escort them peacefully from the room.

During the question-and-answer portion of the testimony, Commission Chairman Marty Castro asked if Kobach was aware of racist statements made by Russell Pearce, the Arizona legislator who worked with Kobach to push through SB 1070.

Absolutely not, Kobach said. “Nothing has hurt me more in this whole debate than when people start pointing at someone and saying that you’re doing this because you’re a racist, you’re a nativist. … It hurts me because I’m not, and that’s false witness against me,” he said. “If I had any indication that a state legislator who was coming to me for assistance had any racially biased motive, any ethnically biased motive, I would refuse to assist him or her.”

If that’s true, Kobach – who bragged to the commission about being a “careful attorney” – must have somehow missed the warnings, issued for years by the Southern Poverty Law Center and other organizations, about Pearce’s bigotry. The former Arizona legislator once sent supporters an article from the neo-Nazi National Alliance website. Worse, he maintained a close friendship with J.T. Ready for more than a year after the latter was exposed as a prominent member of the National Socialist Movement, the country’s largest neo-Nazi group. Ready killed himself in May, but not before fatally shooting his girlfriend, her daughter, and the daughter’s boyfriend and 15-month-old baby girl.

Kobach was the first of 20 to speak at what turned out to be a contentious hearing. While the commissioners delivered politically charged speeches and squabbled with each other over rules, witness testimony strayed far from the briefing’s stated purpose of exploring whether state immigration enforcement laws were leading to civil rights violations.

Dan Stein, president FAIR, the anti-immigrant hate group Kobach was working for when he devised the bills under scrutiny on Friday, testified that America is on brink of “national catastrophe” because its borders are too open. He also declared that his organization had since its founding opposed discriminatory immigration laws.

That’s simply not true: In fact, Stein himself once described the end of race-based immigration quotas as a form of “revengism” devised to “retaliate against Anglo-Saxon dominance.”

Hands down, the most bizarre comments of the day came from Carol Swain, an African-American professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University best known to readers of this blog for her habit of defending and promoting racists – including one who said of blacks, “[T]hese EVIL monkeys are DESTROYING the greatest nation ever built!”

Testifying before the commission on Friday, Swain described herself as a spokesperson for “we the people” as outlined in the U.S. Constitution, and said that in her opinion, the Obama administration is doing nothing to deal with America’s “immigration nightmare.”

Swain also quoted Romans 13, which says that even manmade law is divinely authorized. “People who consider themselves Christians really should consider this Scripture when they take their position on immigration,” she said. “And for the atheists and the secular humanists, it’s not for you, I’m speaking to Christians.”

  • aadila

    @Whatever, heavens no I did not think you were a lunatic. I was merely observing that the paranoia about “terrorists” is probably the biggest fleecing this country has ever got since the red scare.

    I don’t think we’re any better off having turned our formerly free nation into a police state, especially since the terror threat could be resolved easily enough by improved foreign policy.

    Our nation has the highest prison population per capita anywhere in the world, especially in so-called “law and order” areas. We practice the death penalty and other forms of torture routinely, including the use of rape as discipline in our profitable prison industry.

    Somehow I don’t feel safer because of it.

  • Whatever

    aadila,

    I think you mis-interpreted what I was saying.

    I was talking ONLY about Al Queda and 911. 911 had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. It never has.

    I am not ignorant enough to believe it ever has either, and have never believed the Iraq war was necessary. Period.

    911/ Al Queda and Iraq are two entirely separate issues.

    I am not sure what I posted to make you believe otherwise… or if you just made and assumption that I was some lunatic right winger because I am pro law and order…

    Whatever…

    Al Queda was not operating in Iraq, and I never said it was. At the time of 911, it was operating in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Ethiopia and numerous other countries in the Middle East.

    If you read “The Looming Tower”, it explains the formation of Al Queda, how it relates to other Islamic militant movements, the targeting of the USS Cole, the bombings at American embassies in Africa, the first WTC bombing… and 911…etc.

    It also explains how when Bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia, he was sheltered by Afghanistan, even after the head of the Taliban had promised the Sauds that he would put a very short leash on Bin Laden.

    “The Looming Tower” also explains in excruciating detail how the CIA and the FBI have been in a pissing war for the last few decades, which caused a lack of cooperation… and the CIA knew the Al Queda operatives were in the United States quite some time before 911 and they failed to share intelligence on this.

    This is real. It continues to be real. And, sad to say, the war in Iraq has been nothing but a ten year recruiting tool for Islamic militants.

    To say the threat is “exaggerated” doesn’t even suggest an inkling of understanding about what really happened and where the true blame lies.

    Fortunately, “the wall” between the CIA and the FBI has come down. That is not to say that I agree with any of the following: The Patriot Act, development of DHS (which drained funding from FEMA and was the primary cause of the lack of response for Katrina), and other over-reaching policy such as the legalization of racial profiling in Arizona, etc etc. etc.

    I hope I make my opinions and beleifs clear.

    Sorry for the thread hijack to everyone else. I don’t like internet discussions where people make assumptions about you when they mis-understand what you were saying… so I do explain what I have learned, in hopes somewhere along the line we can all make better decisions…

  • aadila

    Whatever, who said hoax?

    George W. Bush fixed the intelligence around Iraq’s supposed link to terror in order to comply with the policy decision to wage war.

    If that is not being duped I don’t know what is. Fear is the most powerful motivator in politics.

  • Whatever

    aadila,

    Read “The Looming Tower” and then tell me how it was a hoax, why don’t you???

    I am not saying our government was justified with every action they took after 911… but the threat was, and continues to be very real.

    Erika,

    I believe there is truth in what you say. Even now and then you get a few bad apples in the State and Federal forces as well.

    If you really want to be sick, google the Colorado City, Arizona Police Department… you know, the guys who follow Warren Jeffs, but wear a badge…

  • Kiwiwriter

    Aron, thanks for the warm words.

    I’ve had an overload of work the last few weeks, but I enjoy coming here to sock it to the sock puppets.

    And, sorry, I live and die with the Yankees…my family has been rooting for them since the 1920s. We also like the New York/San Francisco Giants, too.

  • aadila

    “WTF?”

    Only now realizing you were duped? I am not saying conspiracy. I am saying jingoism.

  • Aron

    Kiwi, I’m really glad to see you back!

    While I’m not a big fan of your love for the Evil New York Yankees, I find your invective to be very entertaining.

    Missed you, pal!

  • Erika

    Whatever, if you’ve ever dealt with small town cops you know where the idea that it doesn’t take any intelligence at all to become a cop came from.

    The FBI and the State Police (at least in Virginia) hire very well qualified and professional people. During my brief period in criminal defense, I knew that if a charge was brought by the State Police you were not likely to beat it because they did things by the book – if it was brought by the local guys, you definitely had a chance. The FBI generally requires an advanced degree and the state police requires at least a 4 year college degree. They also pay much better. The local not so much – in many places, they hire people who are friends or nephews of the Sheriff who have no discernible skill at anything other than perhaps being a jerk.

    The best way to reform the police is to set higher qualifications and increase the salary. Also better screening to get rid of the bigots. Much of the abuse – and often sheer incompetence – will go away.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Annie/Jason Smith is back!

    Annie/Jason…do tell us how the Holocaust never happened!

    Then tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers!

    Then tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler!

    Then show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man!

    And tell us again how you’ll prove it to us, only if we pay you vast sums of money, showing that you’re into neo-Nazism and junior Fascism for that noblest of purposes…the money!

    Then you can give us citations and evidence for all these wacky ideas!

    Until then, the tumbrels await for you!

  • Whatever

    WTF?

  • aadila

    “Can you explain to me how we in the US have avoided any major succesful terrorist activities since 911″?

    Maybe because the threat of terrorism was wildly exaggerated for political expediency?

  • Whatever

    Lala,

    According to you, it takes no brains to become a LEO of any kind?

    I am a liberal, but I also have plenty of friends in law enforcement.

    Like those who cream their pants about police doing their jobs, you have absolutely no clue what it takes to be a LEO.

    One, the regulations in any federal, state or local agency are very complex and open to interpretation. If a LEO does not apply these laws within strict ethical standards, they will not only lose their jobs, but will be subject to criminial prosecution.

    Two, the level of pay most LEOs recieve in porportion to the risk they endure (as all military members I know as well) is just short of scandalous.

    Three, if all federal agents are just stupid goons, can you explain to me how we in the US have avoided any major succesful terrorist activities since 911 (outside of the accasional wing nut shooting spree)?

    Just a few things to consider.

    I apologize for the thread hijack to all the other posters… but as usual… the simple minds are prone to making simple minded posts.

    There are those who like to breed ingnorance (including reactionaries on both sides of the political spectrum), and then there are those of us who actually read and research any way we can in order to educate ourselves on the reality of the United States of America.

    If I were an ICE agent and walked around every day on duty with a big fat target on my back put there by the Mexican drug cartels, I would not think $100,000 a year to be an unreasonable salary.

    Just my two cents.

    No one needs to jump to the conclusion that I am conservative, or racist, or a tea bagger. I am very liberal on most issues (which I will expound on if requested) but I have a lot of mixed feelings on others because these are such complicated times.

    Immigration is very complex, and there needs to be major reforms… but let’s not demonize all government workers as armed goons for the sake of argument…

    Carry on.

  • ModerateMike

    Walt,

    The Senator whom you quoted made some valid points, but I would not necessarily say that critics of strict enforcement do so out of a lack of respect for the legal principles that she mentioned. There is a tendency to assume that those who favor amnesty do so because they support a long-term policy of unconditional asylum, with the law and practical considerations trumped by compassion. But is it not possible that their views might be more nuanced, that perhaps what they are talking about is a short-term means of avoiding the consequences of broken families, loss of business patronage, etc. that are inherent to deportation? The response that I receive when I make this suggestion is usually along the lines of, “Well, that will just attract a swarm of new arrivals,” but given the tighter security at the border, and the massive increase in the number of deportations that I mentioned in an earlier post, I just don’t buy that argument; this isn’t 1995.

  • aadila

    Walt, the “amnesty” under Reagan was secondary to the purpose of the law which was adding the toughest anti-immigration measures at the time. That word gets bantered about a lot but if you look at the act itself, you will see that there is much more to it.

    The comment about Johnson’s summary of ideal policy is interesting and I remain in your debt for it. However, it is very easy for lawmakers to bow to popular will, promising things which cannot be delivered.

    The current Administration has proven itself to be tougher on immigration than just about any in history (I do forgive the Jacksonian purists who would protest) and still the opponents of Obama claim he is soft on immigration.

    I would like to ask you, Walt, one thing: at what point do you believe the cost of enforcing immigration misdemeanors can be borne by taxpayers when our budget is already grotesquely oriented toward being the world’s police and bristling our borders with drones and boots on the ground?

    Before you answer, how much does immigrant labor contribute to our economy. Cost includes the inintended consequences of shutting down entire productive industries that depend on immigrant labor. Some jobs would migrate toward citizen workers, more would simply disappear because of the higher cost. Are you willing to pay $20 per pound for onions?

    So is there truth to the moral question, as Johnson describes. Yes, in a pure, arid dimension of political diatribe yes, it makes sense. But on a practical level it requires a bit more than moral indignity. And there are the corresponding morals of disrupting families and imposing strain on diplomatic relations.

  • Walt

    I don’t blame the undocumented workers crossing the border to find a better life, or better paying jobs – like ‘Whatever’ I blame the employers who exploit them. Unfortunately, the children of these undocumented workers – who had no say in their parent’s decision, and who in most cases don’t feel a connection with the country in which they were born, or even speak the language – are the ones who suffer the most. Many of these children are going to college, and many have enlisted in the military where some have paid the ultimate price. This is not a cut & dried issue with clear right or wrong on either side – our trade & immigration policies have muddied the waters: NAFTA has hurt workers on both sides of the border -subsidized US farmers send corn & grain to Mexico at below what it cost Mexican farmers to produce – so they cross the border to find work – depressing wages for many “low skilled” job sectors. Amnesties under the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations have led undocumented workers to believe if they hang around long enough they too will get amnesty.

    Back during the Clinton administration they did implement something similar to E-Verify for employers to use to verify worker’s resident status. Late U.S. Rep. Barbara Jordan, (D-Texas) the first black woman from the South to be elected to the U.S. Congress, who was Chair of the Commission on Immigration Reform, made these remarks as part of her testimony to a U.S. House of Representatives subcommittee on the Judiciary:

    “Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.”

    “To make sense about the national interest in immigration, it is necessary to make distinctions between those who obey the law, and those who violate it. Therefore, we disagree, also, with those who label our efforts to control illegal immigration as somehow inherently anti-immigrant. Unlawful immigration is unacceptable,” Jordan told the 1995 Committee.

    The Commission’s recommendations included mandatory electronic verification of legal employment eligibility – “employer sanctions can work” Jordan said. On public benefits (taxpayer-funded services) Ms. Jordan’s Commission recommended against eligibility for illegal aliens “except in most unusual circumstances.”

    “Moral obligations work well enough in church, but the law requires a contract,” she correctly observed.

    “Deportation is crucial,” the Presidential Medal of Freedom award winner also advised.

    Ms. Jordan reflected the views of vast majority of Americans who are still waiting for equal protection under the law -justice – in their own country.

    FWIW – after Hispanics the largest group of immigrants here illegaly are Irish – part of my own ancestry.

  • Lala Americana

    Whatever said “Also- of note, which I find hysterical… on a recent trip through the Southwest, guess what most of the ICE officers (border patrol- dhs) look like… you guessed it… they “look” like Mexicans. Obviously it helps if they are fluent in Spanish, but the majority are very educated and very nice looking men (hubba hubba)… oh the irony!”

    No, I disagree with your statement. In fact, those ICE agents that look like Mexicans may very well be so, but they are not very educated at all, in fact, most do not have the equivalent of a bachelors degree but a basic high school education, training in law enforcement, and bilingual skills (the ability to speak Spanish is the predominate factor in why they are hired to begin with), and the compensation (over $60,000K), which is why they dishonorably chose to work in the capacity as ICE agents, or as you say, “hysterical,” but what I say, “sad irony” in deporting people are share the same national/ethnic heritage.

    I find the hubba hubba in Hispanic men and Mexican American males who have enough self-respect and cultural sensitivity, and who are truly, really educated so as NOT to work as ICE agents. :)

  • Whatever

    … grrrr…

    What I meant to say:

    As long as there are Americans who insist on paying pennies to “illegal immigrants” who do some of the most back breaking work on the planet… the problem will contine.

    I do not blame “illegals” for wanting a better life, but I do blame greedy farmers, business owners, etc. who refuse to follow the law and hire people who are citizens for minimum wage.

    Those are the people who should be thrown in jail. Other criminals that are not here legally need to be deported as the current administration is doing. Non criminals, most women and most children need a ten year option to work towards citizenship if they keep their nose to the grindstone and obey all other laws.

    It is not a simple case of “us” and “them” as the racists would like us to believe…

  • Jack Wolford

    Hey Annie , Just reach around the side and push the lever and y’all enjoy the water and the ride .

  • Whatever

    I am pretty sure that Obama is on the right track. According to raw data… the current administration has deported more illegal immigrants in the last year than any year that preceded… including Republican administrations. People who are criminials (serial border jumpers, drug runners, murderers) are immediately deported.

    The other thing is as soon as the US has an ECONOMIC REASON to not hire illegal immigrants for ANYTHING… problem solved. If there were not countless individuals and small businesses, farms, etc. hiring illegals and paying them 10% of minimum wage… guess what… no “opportunity” = no illegals.

    Simply put- some American citizens are profitting GREATLY from the cheap labor, or the issue would not exist.

    I think I know what Annie means by “white food” btw:

    white bread
    mayonaise
    turkey
    mased potatoes
    grits…

    you get the picture.

    Also- of note, which I find hysterical… on a recent trip through the Southwest, guess what most of the ICE officers (border patrol- dhs) look like… you guessed it… they “look” like Mexicans. Obviously it helps if they are fluent in Spanish, but the majority are very educated and very nice looking men (hubba hubba)… oh the irony!

  • Angie A.

    Annie’s world might have been possible in the past. Without having statistics, something tells me there are far too many people who agree with Annie. However, the world has changed and everyday it becomes harder to be isolated. I don’t want to stay with “my kind.” I welcome interactions and relationships with everyone. I’m hopeful that white supremacist groups will taper off and decline in numbers.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Do you people deny that illegals (and yes, they are illegal–not in the same category as immigrants who have come here legally) are contributing to overpopulation?”

    How do legal immigrants NOT contribute to overpopulation(hint: “overpopulation” is a myth)? If you’re only upset about illegal immigrants, would you support measures to make legal immigration easier, seeing as how this is the most humane, efficient, and overall painless way to solve this problem?

    “How can you people say that adding to our population will not cause additional strain to our already overburdened environment?”

    Do you also support limited childbirth among US citizens? A one-child policy, perhaps?

    “Do you people actually expect us to believe that these illegals are not using our pubic resources, such as hospitals, food banks, etc.?”

    Again and again studies show that illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out. That comes directly from the GAO and the Social Security Administration. So maybe you could claim that an illegal immigrant agent infiltrated these agencies to ensure the creation of a fake study, or you can accept the facts as they are.

    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public welfare programs. Try calling up your local welfare office and asking.

    “wouldn’t you say that this causes problems with the poor people already living here, who rely on those resources? ”

    Yes, I’m sure you’re so concerned about America’s poor. You conservatives always are.

    “and, do you expect us to believe that illegals are not taking our jobs, an issue that is extremely relevant, especially since unemployment is so high in this country?”

    There is no evidence that illegals “take jobs.” Did one take your job? The job of someone you know? Call the police and report it.

    Even if you can cite a scenario where a citizen was fired and an illegal hired in their place, what happened was the owner of the means of production(the business owner) took the job away from the former and gave it to the latter.

    “Aside from that, it seems to me that SPLC’s real agenda in this case is to prevent people from defending themselves against a foreign invasion,”

    Operation Barbarossa was an invasion. If immigration constitutes an invasion, then virtually all countries in the world, including many developing countries, are being ‘invaded’ as we speak.

    ‘and to see that white people in particular are outnumbered by minorities.’

    Hmmm…That’s strange. I thought you were only concerned about illegal immigration, you know, the federal misdemeanor. What does this have to do with race? After all, a lot of the illegal immigrants are either white Hispanic or even European.

    ‘ This group does nothing but attack white people, using the weakest of reasons to classify certain groups as “hate” groups, mostly to justify it’s own lucrative existence.’

    Please show us an example of one of these attacks on white people.

    ‘ and I can’t help but notice the glaring absence of investigations of anti-white separatist groups, such as the Nation of Islam, MECHA, etc., among it’s files.’

    And I can’t help but noticed you didn’t look very hard. Also, Mecha isn’t “anti-white.”

  • Aron

    Marc,

    It must be truly awful to lack the ability to SEARCH THROUGH THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED SITE before you pass judgement.

    That being said, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  • ModerateMike

    Well, Marc, FAIR will certainly be glad to have you. I was worried that you were going to provide some evidence to back up your claims about SPLC. Just make sure not to do any of your own research, and above all, remember that ideas stand or fall not on their own merits, but on their popularity.

  • Joseph

    Marc- Answer me this. Seriously. Illegals put my 2nd generation mom out of a job forcing my broken home to go on welfare.

    Pop quiz: Who should I be angry at?

    a. The unions for letting this happen in Texas?
    b. The contractors for hiring cheaper labor?
    c. Texas for being a right to work state?

    You can dress this up any way you want too. They’re only gonna take your jobs if someone hires them. I don’t see any illegals owning wealthy corporations. Maybe FAIR should protest the wealthy business owners who hire them to cut down on costs.

  • Mitch Beales

    Marc DeRhodes “Even the DOJ has said that SPLC’s claims about it does not agree with have been exaggerated” makes about as much sense as the rest of your post. Nice try but your comment is a “FAIL”.

  • aadila

    P…U…Who wrote Marc’s script?

    Someone ought to file an infringement notice with the Sockpuppet’s Union.

  • Dan Zabetakis

    ” How can you people say that adding to our population will not cause additional strain to our already overburdened environment?”

    Because immigration does not change the world population. Since the environment is all connected, moving people from here to there doesn’t change the net effect of overpopulation.

    “Do you people actually expect us to believe that these illegals are not using our pubic resources, such as hospitals, food banks, etc.?”

    Pubic resources?

    Anyway, the illegal immigrants actually subsidize our social systems by working for substandard wages. If our economy had to pay full market wages for their services there would be much less left over for other things.

    Illegal immigrants do not come here to bask in our nonexistent social welfare programs. They come here to work in construction, agriculture and a few other industries.

    “do you expect us to believe that illegals are not taking our jobs, an issue that is extremely relevant, especially since unemployment is so high in this country?”

    See? You are confused. Do they take our jobs or take our welfare payments? It can’t be both.

    The answer is neither. They work for wages too low to support a reasonable lifestyle in the US. They subsidize us.

    “and to see that white people in particular are outnumbered by minorities.”

    So in your view minorities are not US citizens, even if they are? And also, aren’t Hispanics white? You are confused in your own beliefs. Think about them more clearly then come back.

    ” Personally, I’m disgusted with SPLC and it’s supporters.”

    Yes, a lot of people are. Look at those people who hate the SPLC and see if you want to be among them, rather than around us.

    “This group does nothing but attack white people, using the weakest of reasons to classify certain groups as “hate” groups, mostly to justify it’s own lucrative existence.”

    Nope, you are wrong there. If you look into it enough to see why you are wrong in this then you will no longer feel as you do about the SPLC.

    “and I can’t help but notice the glaring absence of investigations of anti-white separatist groups, such as the Nation of Islam, MECHA, etc., among it’s files.”

    …thus proving that you have not looked at the SPLC files or read much (any?) of this web site. See, the people you are listening to are _lying_ to you…

  • Mitch Beales

    “Even the DOJ has said that SPLC’s claims about it does not agree with have been exaggerated” – I wish some of these whitebacks would learn English before they post on Hatewatch.

  • Marc DeRhodes

    I’ve never considered contributing to a group like FAIR, until reading some of SPLC’s opinions. Do you people deny that illegals (and yes, they are illegal–not in the same category as immigrants who have come here legally) are contributing to overpopulation? How can you people say that adding to our population will not cause additional strain to our already overburdened environment?
    Do you people actually expect us to believe that these illegals are not using our pubic resources, such as hospitals, food banks, etc.? wouldn’t you say that this causes problems with the poor people already living here, who rely on those resources? and, do you expect us to believe that illegals are not taking our jobs, an issue that is extremely relevant, especially since unemployment is so high in this country?
    Aside from that, it seems to me that SPLC’s real agenda in this case is to prevent people from defending themselves against a foreign invasion, and to see that white people in particular are outnumbered by minorities. As “Joseph” commented, after insulting another posters presumed German heritage, “Good luck with that whole white supremacy thing in about 10 years. LOL – hehe – (knee-slapping)”. Personally, I’m disgusted with SPLC and it’s supporters. This group does nothing but attack white people, using the weakest of reasons to classify certain groups as “hate” groups, mostly to justify it’s own lucrative existence. Even the DOJ has said that SPLC’s claims about it does not agree with have been exaggerated, and I can’t help but notice the glaring absence of investigations of anti-white separatist groups, such as the Nation of Islam, MECHA, etc., among it’s files. All this aside, I would like to thank SPLC for it’s honesty–thanks to it’s refusal to acknowledge reality and factual evidence, self-serving “morality” and prejudice, and plain old disregard for common sense, I have decided to join FAIR as a way to oppose the illegals, and the misguided institutions who support them. Thank you, SPLC, for making this decision such an easy one to make!

  • Mitch Beales

    Ruslan it is true that “most people prefer company based on individual attributes” which may be why people like Annie become racists. My guess is the only reason anyone would tolerate such a moron is because they choose their associates based entirely on the color of their skin.

  • Reynardine

    Aron, of course there’s good English food. I’ve had some quite tasty stuff in Churchill’s Pub down in Miami, but as the only time I ever spent iin England was a stopover at Heathrow, I’ve explored no further. But Annie, now, was never raised on that, or her brain cells would have been better nourished.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “There’s nothing wrong with being a racist.”

    Well yeah, there kinda is. Stay tuned…

    ” A racist is merely a person who recognizes the existence of other races, yet prefers the company of his own people. Just as gays began coming out of the closet,”

    No, a racist is someone who holds irrational beliefs about other “races.” Most people prefer company based on individual attributes, e.g. Bill is a pretty cool guy, but Larry is a complete dick, ergo I’ll invite Bill to the party.

    A racist is someone who foolishly assumes some kind of bond with people who share similar facial features and skin color, and chooses company accordingly. Thus they spend a lot of time with people who may be complete morons simply because they are of the same race.

    “I say it’s time for white racists to do the same.”

    The fact that you think they haven’t “come out of the closet” shows how blind you are to racism in our society. You were most likely not an open White Nationalist all your life. It started, because you tacitly accepted certain widespread beliefs about race which are commonly held by many Americans, including some which are held even by many liberals.

    “I feel more comfortable around other white people. When I go to a restaurant, or shopping, the community where I chose to buy a home, etc … My racist views shape all my decisions, and I think that’s good.”

    Why? Do you ever ask yourself WHY you feel that way? Will you feel particularly stupid when you are victimized by a white criminal(which is the statistically likely scenario)?

    ” The people who hate white racists will be forced to accept us and our beliefs. That will occur when millions of us come out of the closet. There are so many of us they won’t be able to stop us or do anything. Only when white racists are united and come out in groups will we be able to force complete acceptance of racism.”

    We’ve stopped you before, we’ll stop you again.

  • Joseph

    Annie:

    You finally said what you really want to say and I’m proud of you. Now we know that you are just a victim of a low IQ and poor genes.

    From your German post on the previous thread, I would gather to say that you are – drumroll – German.

    I like the sausages myself. I don’t like the sauerkraut through.

    Hey, fun fact from the LA Times:

    Minorities made up about 2 million, or 50.4%, of the births in the 12-month period ending July 2011, enough to create the milestone. The latest figure was up from 49.5% in the 2010 census.

    Good luck with that whole white supremacy thing in about 10 years. LOL – hehe – (knee-slapping).

  • Aron

    Everybody knocks English food. Everybody’s wrong.

    If done well, English food is delicious! Simple and hearty, but super yummy.

    Bangers and mash. Steak and kidney pie. Roast and Yorkshire pudding. Haggis, neeps and tatties (OK, Scots. Neeps are turnips and tatties are potatoes.) Cornish pasties.

    And the curry. Ooooh, the curry. Which of course is English because of appropriation.

    (I could also keep gushing over the pies. They were amazing, and it has greatly saddened me that you can’t find good savory pie here in the States. And real ale is also very difficult to come by. And don’t get me started on ciders and scrumpies!

  • Dan Zabetakis

    Annie:

    I’m actually curious, please reply: How do you decide if someone is white?

    Obviously black, Asian, some Hispanics, and most Indians are easy to distinguish if they are largely unmixed. But what about North Africans? They _look_ white. Same with Slavs and Caucasians.

    To be white, do you need to speak English? Or German? Obviously Jews are out, regardless of skin color, but the Klan also hates Catholics. Are Catholics OK? Hitler was a Catholic.

    My ethnic/national background is Greek (Crete), Polish, Irish, and native North American. Am I white? Hitler would say no, what about you?

    How do you determine the race of people around you before you decide to feel comfortable? I don’t see how that is possible. You might have a Hispanic neighbor without even knowing about it.

  • ModerateMike

    “Dan Stein, president FAIR, the anti-immigrant hate group Kobach was working for when he devised the bills under scrutiny on Friday, testified that America is on brink of “national catastrophe” because its borders are too open.”

    No, Mr. Stein, America is on the brink of national catastrophe because too many of its citizens consider someone an expert merely because he calls himself one, instead of consulting the officials who actually keep statistics on border security and immigration law enforcement. 652 miles of fencing on the southern border, 5 times more border patrol officers than there were in 1993, and 786,000 deportations in the previous 2 fiscal years attest to the spectacular inaccuracy of your statement.

    “Swain described herself as a spokesperson for ‘we the people” as outlined in the U.S. Constitution, and said that in her opinion, the Obama administration is doing nothing to deal with America’s “immigration nightmare.’”

    Ms. Swain, until the President’s recent decision to halt the deportations of those immigrants who would have otherwise benefited from the Dream Act, every Latino immigrant I know, documented or not, was saying the very same thing.

  • Neil

    What I can’t stand about this site is that you people take such a sanctimonious, high-handed approach toward illegal immigrants here in America, but then people in the upper SPLC management never want to talk about Israel.

    The excuse? Oh, believe me, I’ve heard it. Mark Potok wrote to me that this organization focuses only on domestic groups.

    But guess what? I’ve googled and found numerous instances in which that isn’t true. Google: Gypsies SPLC and tell me if you find any tie-in to the U.S. (You will, however, note that the SPLC interviewer asks about how the growing level of prejudice against gypsies is related to the growing level of anti-Semitism in Europe.)

    I’ve found around ten examples of articles or blurbs in HateWatch or the Intelligence Report on topics related to prejudice and ethnocentrism outside of America with no or only the scantiest tie-in to the U.S.

    I’m not a leftist (although neither am I on the far right on this issue), but I have a modicum of respect for those on the left–provided they’re principled leftists.

    What we have with the SPLC is nothing but ethnic favoritism. They’re favoring the big donors. They’re favoring their own.

    Hey, in my book, that’s hate.

  • Mitch Beales

    The only “white” people I know of are zombies. Annie seems to fit the bill. Here’s a slogan for you Annie: “Protect the undead!”

  • Reynardine

    Dan, I am informed by those of my friends acquainted with *traditional* English food that “white” food would consist of either Brussels sprouts or a leek, cooked to mush, and smothered in hot wallpaper paste. There was more, but then I passed out.

  • Gregory

    There was no need for you to come out of the closet, Annie. Everyone knows that you are a racist.

  • Reynardine

    Of course, Mr. Kobach doesn’t help *known* racists. He’d rather develop hitherto uniscovered talent. Perhaps we could turn him on to Annie…oh, wait, I said *talent*.

  • Dan Zabetakis

    “I feel more comfortable around other white people. When I go to a restaurant, or shopping, the community where I chose to buy a home, etc … My racist views shape all my decisions, and I think that’s good.”

    Really? I bet you don’t. Do you buy only goods made by white people for white people? Do you use only that technology developed by white people? Do you listen only to white racialist music, watch only white TV, movies, etc? Do you eat only white food? What would that be, mutton stew 3x per day?

    And who are these white people? Is it only Anglo-Saxons? Do you include Normans? How about Teutons? Iberians? Greeks, surely not? What about Italian (northern I mean, obviously not southern)? What about Caucasians (Georgia, Republic of)? European Jews? North Africans? Slavs?

    We need to know where you draw the line. Would a white female gay feminist be welcome in your community?

  • CM

    “Annie,”

    Thank you, with your latest post you’ve now let us all know that you’re just a troll-provocateur, not the sincere-but-misguided nitwit you’ve been pretending to be.

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com David Cary Hart

    These guys are so proud of the discriminatory “accomplishments” until they have to defend them. Then it’s “who me?”

  • Annie

    There’s nothing wrong with being a racist. A racist is merely a person who recognizes the existence of other races, yet prefers the company of his own people. Just as gays began coming out of the closet, I say it’s time for white racists to do the same.

    I feel more comfortable around other white people. When I go to a restaurant, or shopping, the community where I chose to buy a home, etc … My racist views shape all my decisions, and I think that’s good.

    I encourage all white to become racists. When more of us come out of the closet can we find acceptance for people like us. The people who hate white racists will be forced to accept us and our beliefs. That will occur when millions of us come out of the closet. There are so many of us they won’t be able to stop us or do anything. Only when white racists are united and come out in groups will we be able to force complete acceptance of racism.

  • aadila

    People who consider themselves Christians really should consider that the Jews were basically illegal aliens, and since Mary was from Nazareth, Jesus was basically an anchor baby in Bethlehem.