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	<title>Comments on: Prosecutors: Secret ‘Militia&#8217; in Army Planned to Blow Dam, Poison Apples</title>
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		<title>By: aadila</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-586787</link>
		<dc:creator>aadila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such kindness will reverberate through 20 lifetimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such kindness will reverberate through 20 lifetimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-586609</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aadila, I hereby award you an Epigrammy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aadila, I hereby award you an Epigrammy.</p>
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		<title>By: aadila</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-586566</link>
		<dc:creator>aadila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly, Rey. That&#039;s where the rubber meets the road.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Rey. That&#8217;s where the rubber meets the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-586446</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 13:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really thought Monaco was your best choice, since the Grand Duchy of Fenwick was said to have been modelled on it. You are right that the Anglo-French Condominium would have been better, since it&#039;s clearly a decadent European conspiracy to manufacture Condoms©, and thus destroy morality. But we&#039;re just goofing around here. The real villain is actually San Marino, even though Ronald Reagan tried to pretend it was Grenada.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really thought Monaco was your best choice, since the Grand Duchy of Fenwick was said to have been modelled on it. You are right that the Anglo-French Condominium would have been better, since it&#8217;s clearly a decadent European conspiracy to manufacture Condoms©, and thus destroy morality. But we&#8217;re just goofing around here. The real villain is actually San Marino, even though Ronald Reagan tried to pretend it was Grenada.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-585097</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 02:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kiwi,

There is, between France and Italy, on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea, a little bitty kingdom. The name of this kingdom is Monaco.-

L. Tolstoi, “It Costs Steep”&quot;

Reynardine, I referred to Monaco in my post.

Actually, I kind of wish that the British and French never gave New Hebrides its independence in 1980. It was an Anglo-French Condominium, with two separate legal and political systems, even two separate postage administrations, for one island. People could be either under British rule or French rule, on the same set of islands. There were two completely different legal systems, one British, one French. The King of Spain appointed the Chief Judge.

During World War II, they were a major US military base, and the birthplace of a lot of &quot;Cargo Cults.&quot;

48 hours before they gained their independence, the British and French sent in Foreign Legionnaires and Royal Marines to put down a rebellion that would have turned the independence celebrations into a nightmare. Now it&#039;s the Republic of Vanuatu, and for a while, they were one of Muammar Al-Qaddafi&#039;s few allies.

It would have been wonderful to come here and answer these goofballs by suggesting that the evil foreign power behind America&#039;s throne was the Anglo-French Condominium in New Hebrides. It&#039;s perfect for conspiracy theorists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kiwi,</p>
<p>There is, between France and Italy, on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea, a little bitty kingdom. The name of this kingdom is Monaco.-</p>
<p>L. Tolstoi, “It Costs Steep”&#8221;</p>
<p>Reynardine, I referred to Monaco in my post.</p>
<p>Actually, I kind of wish that the British and French never gave New Hebrides its independence in 1980. It was an Anglo-French Condominium, with two separate legal and political systems, even two separate postage administrations, for one island. People could be either under British rule or French rule, on the same set of islands. There were two completely different legal systems, one British, one French. The King of Spain appointed the Chief Judge.</p>
<p>During World War II, they were a major US military base, and the birthplace of a lot of &#8220;Cargo Cults.&#8221;</p>
<p>48 hours before they gained their independence, the British and French sent in Foreign Legionnaires and Royal Marines to put down a rebellion that would have turned the independence celebrations into a nightmare. Now it&#8217;s the Republic of Vanuatu, and for a while, they were one of Muammar Al-Qaddafi&#8217;s few allies.</p>
<p>It would have been wonderful to come here and answer these goofballs by suggesting that the evil foreign power behind America&#8217;s throne was the Anglo-French Condominium in New Hebrides. It&#8217;s perfect for conspiracy theorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-583814</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fact, that&#039;s a GOOD idea! I&#039;m starting some today! Wish there was some way to share real hard cider around a virtual Stammtisch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, that&#8217;s a GOOD idea! I&#8217;m starting some today! Wish there was some way to share real hard cider around a virtual Stammtisch!</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-581029</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y&#039;know, it&#039;s just the time of year when I could poison some dam apples by turning them into hard cider.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, it&#8217;s just the time of year when I could poison some dam apples by turning them into hard cider.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-580676</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terry, while they always have claimed &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; in practice it was actually &quot;innocent until proven Black&quot; or &quot;innocent until proven poor.&quot;  

Now with the rise of the for profit prison industry and the need to bring in more and more prisoners so that vulture capitalists like Mitt Romney can make more and more money, middle class White people are finally learning what poor Black people have always known:  the criminal justice system is largely a tool to enforce the class system through selective enforcement.

Instead of fighting the real enemy - which is the voracious capitalist goal to turn everything into a for profit enterprize and to privatize gains while socializing risks - you are falling into their trap by embracing your gun and your Bible.  The fact is that they do not care about your gun.  Your gun is not a threat to them unless you are stupid enough to actually use it against someone who isn&#039;t Black or to actually fight against the class system.

Now personally i would like it if the government sent in people to take guns from people like you simply because paranoia and firearms don&#039;t mix.

But honey, you aren&#039;t the Black Panthers, the government isn&#039;t going to machine gun you while you&#039;re sleeping.  You are just a useful idiot to the right wing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, while they always have claimed &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; in practice it was actually &#8220;innocent until proven Black&#8221; or &#8220;innocent until proven poor.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Now with the rise of the for profit prison industry and the need to bring in more and more prisoners so that vulture capitalists like Mitt Romney can make more and more money, middle class White people are finally learning what poor Black people have always known:  the criminal justice system is largely a tool to enforce the class system through selective enforcement.</p>
<p>Instead of fighting the real enemy &#8211; which is the voracious capitalist goal to turn everything into a for profit enterprize and to privatize gains while socializing risks &#8211; you are falling into their trap by embracing your gun and your Bible.  The fact is that they do not care about your gun.  Your gun is not a threat to them unless you are stupid enough to actually use it against someone who isn&#8217;t Black or to actually fight against the class system.</p>
<p>Now personally i would like it if the government sent in people to take guns from people like you simply because paranoia and firearms don&#8217;t mix.</p>
<p>But honey, you aren&#8217;t the Black Panthers, the government isn&#8217;t going to machine gun you while you&#8217;re sleeping.  You are just a useful idiot to the right wing.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-578633</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kiwi,

There is, between France and Italy, on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea, a little bitty kingdom. The name of this kingdom is Monaco.-

L. Tolstoi, &quot;It Costs Steep&quot;

There is the archvillain nation!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiwi,</p>
<p>There is, between France and Italy, on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea, a little bitty kingdom. The name of this kingdom is Monaco.-</p>
<p>L. Tolstoi, &#8220;It Costs Steep&#8221;</p>
<p>There is the archvillain nation!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-2/#comment-577481</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 06:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the Bible, in the days of Noah there was no &quot;law.&quot;  It doesn&#039;t come out and say that, but Noah lived before Moses when the law was handed down to the Jews.  So basically people are living &quot;wickedly&quot; but God never really told them how to live in the first place.  It&#039;s really a terrible, terrible book. 

Terry, ask yourself how many &quot;false flag&quot; shooting sprees they need to take away your 2nd Amendment rights. Because I don&#039;t know if you noticed, but there have been dozens of mass shootings in the last ten or more years, and none of them managed to prompt draconian gun laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Bible, in the days of Noah there was no &#8220;law.&#8221;  It doesn&#8217;t come out and say that, but Noah lived before Moses when the law was handed down to the Jews.  So basically people are living &#8220;wickedly&#8221; but God never really told them how to live in the first place.  It&#8217;s really a terrible, terrible book. </p>
<p>Terry, ask yourself how many &#8220;false flag&#8221; shooting sprees they need to take away your 2nd Amendment rights. Because I don&#8217;t know if you noticed, but there have been dozens of mass shootings in the last ten or more years, and none of them managed to prompt draconian gun laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-576924</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Terry, my answer to you is a simple one:

The outpatients are out in force, and your idiotic outburst proves it.

Which foreign nation is running the United States? Bhutan? Monaco? How about Andorra?

What does Noah have to do with this situation...well, maybe if the polar ice caps all melt, and &quot;Waterworld&quot; becomes something more than an extremely expensive movie that bombed with the critics....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Terry, my answer to you is a simple one:</p>
<p>The outpatients are out in force, and your idiotic outburst proves it.</p>
<p>Which foreign nation is running the United States? Bhutan? Monaco? How about Andorra?</p>
<p>What does Noah have to do with this situation&#8230;well, maybe if the polar ice caps all melt, and &#8220;Waterworld&#8221; becomes something more than an extremely expensive movie that bombed with the critics&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-576595</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 16:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole place is falling into lawlessness...as in the days of Noah..

There is an unelected foreign nation running American gov today..perverting our elections to their favor...spilling American blood...stealing American money, and yet..nothing is ever said about this people...

Their &#039;works&#039; are  ALWAYS overlooked...and they use their control over media to always point their finger at someone else...Amazing..

When the government looks lawless...then these things will happen..

The media is totally corrupt...we dont even know if this story is true...or if they were forced to say they did these things..

I have no trust in any institution where large amounts of money are present...there are many Judas Goats out there that will do anything for money and power.

Lawlessness breeds lawlessness

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves...

If someone tries to reverse this communist agenda...are they then called criminals? Im not sure what these men did..if they did anything at all...INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY...That used to be the American way...

There could be a totally different side to this story...I find it rather odd that the government has turned against the troops..now ALL OF A SUDDEN...all these so called troops are committing these nefarious things..

I DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING THE MEDIA SAYS..I THINK THIS IS A FALSE FLAG CRISIS DESIGNED TO STEAL AWAY OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS...a false flag crisis that works on only the sheeple people who cannot think for themselves...and look at the evidence, which is 3 incidents close together involving military men..while the goons in Washington seek to destroy this nation from withing through disarmament of the people against the Constitution...

THOSE ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS..AND YET...THEY TAKE OATHS TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION..AND YET..THEY WORK AGAINST IT..

THOSE ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS...HOW COME THEY ARE NOT ARRESTED AND IN JAIL...

HHMM????? 

Beasts have taken control over America...until they are eradicated..this insanity will never stop..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole place is falling into lawlessness&#8230;as in the days of Noah..</p>
<p>There is an unelected foreign nation running American gov today..perverting our elections to their favor&#8230;spilling American blood&#8230;stealing American money, and yet..nothing is ever said about this people&#8230;</p>
<p>Their &#8216;works&#8217; are  ALWAYS overlooked&#8230;and they use their control over media to always point their finger at someone else&#8230;Amazing..</p>
<p>When the government looks lawless&#8230;then these things will happen..</p>
<p>The media is totally corrupt&#8230;we dont even know if this story is true&#8230;or if they were forced to say they did these things..</p>
<p>I have no trust in any institution where large amounts of money are present&#8230;there are many Judas Goats out there that will do anything for money and power.</p>
<p>Lawlessness breeds lawlessness</p>
<p>A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves&#8230;</p>
<p>If someone tries to reverse this communist agenda&#8230;are they then called criminals? Im not sure what these men did..if they did anything at all&#8230;INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY&#8230;That used to be the American way&#8230;</p>
<p>There could be a totally different side to this story&#8230;I find it rather odd that the government has turned against the troops..now ALL OF A SUDDEN&#8230;all these so called troops are committing these nefarious things..</p>
<p>I DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING THE MEDIA SAYS..I THINK THIS IS A FALSE FLAG CRISIS DESIGNED TO STEAL AWAY OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS&#8230;a false flag crisis that works on only the sheeple people who cannot think for themselves&#8230;and look at the evidence, which is 3 incidents close together involving military men..while the goons in Washington seek to destroy this nation from withing through disarmament of the people against the Constitution&#8230;</p>
<p>THOSE ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS..AND YET&#8230;THEY TAKE OATHS TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION..AND YET..THEY WORK AGAINST IT..</p>
<p>THOSE ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS&#8230;HOW COME THEY ARE NOT ARRESTED AND IN JAIL&#8230;</p>
<p>HHMM????? </p>
<p>Beasts have taken control over America&#8230;until they are eradicated..this insanity will never stop..</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reynardine, fascinating about narcissism...I have run into at least one borderline narcissist personality in my lifetime, and they can be quite scary.

I think narcissism is heavily at the core of the leaders of these wacko movements...their need to have a surrounding mass of slavelike fans. That and being cynical opportunists and self-serving con men.

Don&#039;t worry about the Kutuzov quote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reynardine, fascinating about narcissism&#8230;I have run into at least one borderline narcissist personality in my lifetime, and they can be quite scary.</p>
<p>I think narcissism is heavily at the core of the leaders of these wacko movements&#8230;their need to have a surrounding mass of slavelike fans. That and being cynical opportunists and self-serving con men.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the Kutuzov quote.</p>
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		<title>By: aadila</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-573323</link>
		<dc:creator>aadila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curiously enough, Reynardine, I have found no trouble deciphering the ideas of the many exotic characters who find their way to this forum. Whether or not I understand any of them is another matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiously enough, Reynardine, I have found no trouble deciphering the ideas of the many exotic characters who find their way to this forum. Whether or not I understand any of them is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-573261</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kiwi, you&#039;ve found that exotic characters won&#039;t translate into this format; they become question marks. Even if I&#039;d had the right keyboard, that Kutuzov quote would not have entered properly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiwi, you&#8217;ve found that exotic characters won&#8217;t translate into this format; they become question marks. Even if I&#8217;d had the right keyboard, that Kutuzov quote would not have entered properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-573206</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Aadila, the character iin that story was Rick Scott, and it wasn&#039;t his nose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Aadila, the character iin that story was Rick Scott, and it wasn&#8217;t his nose.</p>
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		<title>By: aadila</title>
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		<dc:creator>aadila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ruslan,you’re absolutely right, and I’m not disagreeing with you.&quot;

It&#039;s a good thing you said that. I read somewhere that  somebody once disagreed with Ruslan only to end up cutting off his own nose whilst taking a shave. This episode became the little known factual inspiration for Gogol&#039;s short story &quot;The Nose.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ruslan,you’re absolutely right, and I’m not disagreeing with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good thing you said that. I read somewhere that  somebody once disagreed with Ruslan only to end up cutting off his own nose whilst taking a shave. This episode became the little known factual inspiration for Gogol&#8217;s short story &#8220;The Nose.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-573011</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kiwi, you are right about all of it. It&#039;s the trait of malignant narcissist to regard other people as objects, but first they have learned to regard themselves as objects, which must be magnified and shined to a perfect brilliance in the pupils of these others&#039; eyes. That is what distinguishes the malignant narcissist from the pure sociopath or psychopath, who simply fulfills every impulse wthout inhibition, empathy, or ruth (an old word for foreseeing the consequences of one&#039;s deeds and regretting the probable consequences towards others in advance, so as to refrain). Those are in many cases inborn; they&#039;re &quot;missing a chip&quot;. The malignant narcissst has learned: learned that how he (or she) looks in the eyes of others determines whether he gets a lick of ice cream or a licking.. Therefore, he must be &quot;seen&quot; properly; he must have enough power to ensure that others do, and that those who don&#039;t are punished/destroyed. In the worst cases, it can co-exist with psychopathy and Machiavellianism: the notorious &quot;dark triad&quot;.

Ruslan, some time back, you questioned whether &quot;totalitarianism&quot; is a real construct. Maybe not politically, but psychologically, it is. To paraphrase Earnest Hemingway: The authoritarian walks into the bathroom, pulls a gun onhimself, and orders what move he is to make. The totalitarian walks into the confessional, pulls a gun on himself, and says, &quot;Repent all your bad thoughts about me!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiwi, you are right about all of it. It&#8217;s the trait of malignant narcissist to regard other people as objects, but first they have learned to regard themselves as objects, which must be magnified and shined to a perfect brilliance in the pupils of these others&#8217; eyes. That is what distinguishes the malignant narcissist from the pure sociopath or psychopath, who simply fulfills every impulse wthout inhibition, empathy, or ruth (an old word for foreseeing the consequences of one&#8217;s deeds and regretting the probable consequences towards others in advance, so as to refrain). Those are in many cases inborn; they&#8217;re &#8220;missing a chip&#8221;. The malignant narcissst has learned: learned that how he (or she) looks in the eyes of others determines whether he gets a lick of ice cream or a licking.. Therefore, he must be &#8220;seen&#8221; properly; he must have enough power to ensure that others do, and that those who don&#8217;t are punished/destroyed. In the worst cases, it can co-exist with psychopathy and Machiavellianism: the notorious &#8220;dark triad&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ruslan, some time back, you questioned whether &#8220;totalitarianism&#8221; is a real construct. Maybe not politically, but psychologically, it is. To paraphrase Earnest Hemingway: The authoritarian walks into the bathroom, pulls a gun onhimself, and orders what move he is to make. The totalitarian walks into the confessional, pulls a gun on himself, and says, &#8220;Repent all your bad thoughts about me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-571755</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;@Kiwiwriter

I would disagree that William Pierce considered the slaughter of innocents as “mistakes.” He was a man who held great contempt even for his “white” people. Not surprising seeing as how he quit his job to live off of hard-working though severely misguided people.&quot;

Ruslan,you&#039;re absolutely right, and I&#039;m not disagreeing with you.

In the course of studying neo-Nazis, I stumbled on the life and times of Milton Kleim, who used to claim the title of the &quot;net&#039;s Number One Nazi,&quot; until he decided to chuck it all with some public posts, which I found on the NizKor website. In the posts, he quoted from Dr. Pierce&#039;s magnum opus, and I was nauseated by some of his output, including this one:

&quot;&quot;Certainly, we must have made some mistakes today -- mistaken identities, wrong addresses, false accusations -- but once the executions began there was no admitting to the possibility of mistakes.  We deliberately created the image of inexorability in the public mind.&quot;  (TTD, Chapter 23)&quot;

Pierce also wrote:

&quot;...{T}here is no way we can destroy the System without hurting many thousands of innocent people -- no way.&quot;  (TTD, Chapter 6)

That&#039;s what I meant when he referred to &quot;making mistakes.&quot; And his attitude to the situation, as you rightly point out, was contemptuous, and shrugging. I was struck by that and appalled by it.

I read in the Intelligence Report, the interview with Von Brunn&#039;s son, and the elder Von Brunn, who shot up the Holocaust Museum in Washington, had the same attitude. He talked about nuking Washington, even though that would kill his son, who lived in Annapolis.

The cavalier attitude of these people towards killing other human beings is repulsive. They have no respect for any other human being on earth...which makes me believe that they don&#039;t respect themselves...you can&#039;t respect others if you don&#039;t respect yourself, it seems to me.

Narcissism is strongly tied with self-hatred, I have read. I have also read that what these people really want is not to bring the Rapture or Utopia...but to make everyone else as miserable as they are, and I think there&#039;s some validity to that idea.

Ultimately, Hitler did turn on his own people...as the war ground to its finish, he showed contempt for them, ordering the destruction of the Reich&#039;s power plants, water supplies, railroads, and so on, so that the Germans he&#039;d led for 12 years would live in a desert. Told that such a move would have horrible results, he just sneered that the German people were not worthy of his greatness. They had betrayed him.

I wonder if the militia leaders share that same narcissism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@Kiwiwriter</p>
<p>I would disagree that William Pierce considered the slaughter of innocents as “mistakes.” He was a man who held great contempt even for his “white” people. Not surprising seeing as how he quit his job to live off of hard-working though severely misguided people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ruslan,you&#8217;re absolutely right, and I&#8217;m not disagreeing with you.</p>
<p>In the course of studying neo-Nazis, I stumbled on the life and times of Milton Kleim, who used to claim the title of the &#8220;net&#8217;s Number One Nazi,&#8221; until he decided to chuck it all with some public posts, which I found on the NizKor website. In the posts, he quoted from Dr. Pierce&#8217;s magnum opus, and I was nauseated by some of his output, including this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Certainly, we must have made some mistakes today &#8212; mistaken identities, wrong addresses, false accusations &#8212; but once the executions began there was no admitting to the possibility of mistakes.  We deliberately created the image of inexorability in the public mind.&#8221;  (TTD, Chapter 23)&#8221;</p>
<p>Pierce also wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;{T}here is no way we can destroy the System without hurting many thousands of innocent people &#8212; no way.&#8221;  (TTD, Chapter 6)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I meant when he referred to &#8220;making mistakes.&#8221; And his attitude to the situation, as you rightly point out, was contemptuous, and shrugging. I was struck by that and appalled by it.</p>
<p>I read in the Intelligence Report, the interview with Von Brunn&#8217;s son, and the elder Von Brunn, who shot up the Holocaust Museum in Washington, had the same attitude. He talked about nuking Washington, even though that would kill his son, who lived in Annapolis.</p>
<p>The cavalier attitude of these people towards killing other human beings is repulsive. They have no respect for any other human being on earth&#8230;which makes me believe that they don&#8217;t respect themselves&#8230;you can&#8217;t respect others if you don&#8217;t respect yourself, it seems to me.</p>
<p>Narcissism is strongly tied with self-hatred, I have read. I have also read that what these people really want is not to bring the Rapture or Utopia&#8230;but to make everyone else as miserable as they are, and I think there&#8217;s some validity to that idea.</p>
<p>Ultimately, Hitler did turn on his own people&#8230;as the war ground to its finish, he showed contempt for them, ordering the destruction of the Reich&#8217;s power plants, water supplies, railroads, and so on, so that the Germans he&#8217;d led for 12 years would live in a desert. Told that such a move would have horrible results, he just sneered that the German people were not worthy of his greatness. They had betrayed him.</p>
<p>I wonder if the militia leaders share that same narcissism?</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwiwriter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-571710</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwiwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kiwi,

I’ve gotta take a little disagreement with you. Semyon Budyonny WAS a great military leader.

It’s just that Pi?sudski and Sikorski were better :D&quot;

Aron, I would point out that Budyenny did well in the Russian Civil War with his cavalry, but failed pretty disastrously in the defense of Kiev in 1941, which is what I graded him on.

I also left out two other poor generals: Neil Ritchie and Rodolfo Graziani.

Rokossovsky was a superb general, and he was part-Polish. I believe he made Marshal while still under a temporarily suspended sentence of death from the Stalinist purges. Not well-known in the West.

My favorite WW2 generals and other leaders are Lucian Truscott, Guy Simonds, Bill Slim, Richard O&#039;Connor, Tomoyuki Yamashita, Robert Eichelberger, Matthew Ridgway, Jim Gavin, Bert Hoffmeister, Lord Lovat, Pete Quesada, Keith Park, Andrew Cunningham, Raizo Tanaka, Willis &quot;Ching Chong&quot; Lee, Ray Spruance, Alphonse Juin, Fridolin Von Senger, Tadamichi Kuribayashi, Joseph Stilwell, Leslie Moorehead, and Keith Park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kiwi,</p>
<p>I’ve gotta take a little disagreement with you. Semyon Budyonny WAS a great military leader.</p>
<p>It’s just that Pi?sudski and Sikorski were better :D&#8221;</p>
<p>Aron, I would point out that Budyenny did well in the Russian Civil War with his cavalry, but failed pretty disastrously in the defense of Kiev in 1941, which is what I graded him on.</p>
<p>I also left out two other poor generals: Neil Ritchie and Rodolfo Graziani.</p>
<p>Rokossovsky was a superb general, and he was part-Polish. I believe he made Marshal while still under a temporarily suspended sentence of death from the Stalinist purges. Not well-known in the West.</p>
<p>My favorite WW2 generals and other leaders are Lucian Truscott, Guy Simonds, Bill Slim, Richard O&#8217;Connor, Tomoyuki Yamashita, Robert Eichelberger, Matthew Ridgway, Jim Gavin, Bert Hoffmeister, Lord Lovat, Pete Quesada, Keith Park, Andrew Cunningham, Raizo Tanaka, Willis &#8220;Ching Chong&#8221; Lee, Ray Spruance, Alphonse Juin, Fridolin Von Senger, Tadamichi Kuribayashi, Joseph Stilwell, Leslie Moorehead, and Keith Park.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Morcroft</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-571093</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Morcroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam, if only the Tea Party meant Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness for everyone........

And on the Pagan/Wiccan thread, a pentacle or pentagram on one point can also signify a second degree Gardnerian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, if only the Tea Party meant Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness for everyone&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>And on the Pagan/Wiccan thread, a pentacle or pentagram on one point can also signify a second degree Gardnerian.</p>
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		<title>By: aadila</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-570905</link>
		<dc:creator>aadila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What will more killing solve?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will more killing solve?</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-570839</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears Georgia is seeking the death penalty against Aguigui.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears Georgia is seeking the death penalty against Aguigui.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-569202</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Aadila, it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Aadila, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: aadila</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-569054</link>
		<dc:creator>aadila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is that true about he-snakes? Eeewww.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that true about he-snakes? Eeewww.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-568929</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not qualified at all on matters military. One of my favorite lines, though, was ascribed to Kutuzov, and it applies to my advancing years, even though I might have to alter the adjective a little:

Ty seriy
a ya sedoi.

(Sorry kirilitsa not available)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not qualified at all on matters military. One of my favorite lines, though, was ascribed to Kutuzov, and it applies to my advancing years, even though I might have to alter the adjective a little:</p>
<p>Ty seriy<br />
a ya sedoi.</p>
<p>(Sorry kirilitsa not available)</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Tukhachevsky was even better! Nothing like commanding an invasion hundreds of miles from the front, while luxuriating in your own private train! xD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Tukhachevsky was even better! Nothing like commanding an invasion hundreds of miles from the front, while luxuriating in your own private train! xD</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-568880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Rokossovsky was the best!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Rokossovsky was the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just picking one group that tends to wear pentagrams.  &quot;All anarchists are Wiccans&quot; wouldn&#039;t have the same effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just picking one group that tends to wear pentagrams.  &#8220;All anarchists are Wiccans&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t have the same effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/27/prosecutors-secret-militia-in-army-planned-to-blow-dam-poison-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-568786</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kiwi,

I&#039;ve gotta take a little disagreement with you. Semyon Budyonny WAS a great military leader.

It&#039;s just that Pi?sudski and Sikorski were better :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiwi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotta take a little disagreement with you. Semyon Budyonny WAS a great military leader.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that Pi?sudski and Sikorski were better :D</p>
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