Comments on: Two ‘Sovereigns’ Plead Guilty in Alaska Murder Plot http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/28/two-sovereigns-plead-guilty-in-alaska-murder-plot/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: aadila http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/28/two-sovereigns-plead-guilty-in-alaska-murder-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-573318 aadila Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:06:01 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9644#comment-573318 Tom Speed,

Grotius explained that the Citizen is only entitled to claim Sovereignty up to the moment of choice as to what form of government should prevail in that country: it could be a monarchy or it could be an elected government, but once the choice was made there was no turning back. As such, our country chose to have a Republic. Accordingly there can be no choice now to give up the rights and laws of the State, which is Sovereign.

More on the subject here:
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/grotius/gro-209.htm

]]> By: Tom Speed http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/28/two-sovereigns-plead-guilty-in-alaska-murder-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-571450 Tom Speed Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:18:39 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9644#comment-571450 I’ve no comment on the case itself, I just wish to correct anyone who uses the term ‘Sovereign Citizen(s)’

There is no such thing!

The two are as different as can be, a Sovereign is free to make law, a Citizen is someone who gives up their rights and becomes subject to the laws of others, usually a Sovereign or State.

Except, “all pretense of prerogative against Manga Charta is taken away”, LORD Coke. :)

Long live the common law!

]]> By: aadila http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/28/two-sovereigns-plead-guilty-in-alaska-murder-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-568443 aadila Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:14:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9644#comment-568443 Impossible to look outward for our satisfaction in life. This kind of deed is a reflection of a mind that does not know itself. They can still find liberation even in jail.

]]> By: Kiwiwriter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/28/two-sovereigns-plead-guilty-in-alaska-murder-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-567325 Kiwiwriter Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:03:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9644#comment-567325 Interesting how these guys pleaded guilty…I would have expected them to stand up for what they believed in, and pleaded “not guilty,” and fought back, in tune with their rhetoric.

I guess these folks are just not the stuff of which martyrs are made.

Well, they’ll find like-minded pals in prison. Good riddance to them….another tragic wasted life…it’s just staggering how much energy they expend on such idiotic crusades.

]]> By: rosewhite6289 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/28/two-sovereigns-plead-guilty-in-alaska-murder-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-566770 rosewhite6289 Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:02:26 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9644#comment-566770 When I was really young and stupid I was on their side, like 22, then I grew up and realized a nation needs a tax base and I paid my fair share and I know violence is not the solution. These two have been caught in a web of deceit there are groups out there that people find conservatives mostly Christian who think they are doing what the founders of the country wanted and they are being hoodwinked by these hucksters into throwing their lives away.

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