Comments on: Sovereign Citizen ‘President’ Indicted for Tax Crimes http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-631187 Reynardine Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:13:52 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-631187 No, Erika, it’s not fun. Sometimes, though, it’s an adrenaline rush, like giving blood or maybe skydiving.

]]> By: Erika http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-629520 Erika Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:51:02 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-629520 William, anyone who says that going to court is fun is lying. In fact, going to court is so little fun that you can actually be thrown in jail if you laugh at something which is funny (as an aside, the hardest case for me to ever keep from breaking up laughing in court was a case involving a fight between two Klansmen over who the Grand Wizard was).

Anyone who claims they always win in court is also lying. Not even Clarence Darrow won every case.

]]> By: Kiwiwriter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-626245 Kiwiwriter Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:19:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-626245 These guys have to know at all levels that they are nothing more and nothing less than con artists, plain and simple. They’ve come up with a brilliant bill of goods to sell to dupes, shills, and marks, and they happily pocket the cash.

I have to admire their gall, but I feel sorry for their marks, who are true believers, and really think they live in the “end times.”

What amuses me is how so many prophets have suggested the “end times” and have been wrong, over and over and over again. Speaking of false prophets, anyone heard from Bungalow Boob?

The Thurm be with you.

]]> By: william http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-626075 william Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:58:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-626075 Well i once heard tim say going to court was a lot of fun and that he always won in court. Wonder if he still thinks that way now?

]]> By: Eugene http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-624267 Eugene Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:27:03 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-624267 Interesting, a TV episode of the USA Channel series “The Glades”, which ran this summer, had a plot strangely close to this situation. It was even inferred that that the Sovereign Citizen was from Alabama.

]]> By: Lynn http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-624078 Lynn Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:49:32 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-624078 Clayton, you are funny.

]]> By: Clayton http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-622912 Clayton Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:56:55 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-622912 So did he allow the people attending his seminars to pay him with Monopoly money?

]]> By: Bludgeon http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-622549 Bludgeon Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:39:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-622549 ‘In February 2011, Turner caused a stir among his followers when he sent them a letter insisting that the future “Republic” he hopes to create will be a Christian nation – an idea many sovereigns do not agree with. He lambasted a series of nine U.S. presidents, blaming them for everything from an exploding national debt to “rampant homosexuality” to the “intentional poisoning of our people.” And Turner focused in on President Obama: “He is not even a lawful American citizen,” he said. “He is a Muslim which [sic] are sworn to kill anyone who is not Muslim.”’

]]> By: Erika http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-618989 Erika Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:14:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-618989 Wait, this guy actually thought he could pay his taxes with a fake $300,000,000 bond (which likely looked totally fake even outside of the outrageous amount – ever see what an actual paper bond looks like? They are extremely ornate with tons of watermarks and the like to avoid counterfeiting – and of course, anyone who really has that kind of money wouldn’t keep the paper bond with them – and definitely wouldn’t send it in the U.S. mail) and didn’t think that the IRS would notice something was wrong and simply refund him the difference?

Everyone knows that anyone who actually has that kind of available assets will either just pay their taxes because they know they are a tiny percentage of their entire income or will set up a corporation (likely with a name like Drain Capital) and a series of off shore shell corporations and off shore trusts (most likely in the Cayman Islands) so they can avoid taxes the nice and legal way.

]]> By: CenterLeft http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-617818 CenterLeft Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:22:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-617818 John, click on his name and you will be directed to the answer.

]]> By: John http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-617680 John Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:22:13 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-617680 Why is this post in “Hatewatch”? What “hateful” thing has he done?

]]> By: adamhill http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/09/18/sovereign-citizen-%e2%80%98president%e2%80%99-indicted-for-tax-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-617643 adamhill Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:54:06 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=9724#comment-617643 James Timothy Turner seems to be a conman. Or a psychotic. Or a psychotic conman. Or a complete idiot.

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