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Neo-Nazi Jailed for Making Threats Released After Three Years

By Don Terry on October 9, 2012 - 1:19 pm, Posted in Anti-Black, Extremist Crime

Harold C. “Hal” Turner, the right-wing Internet radio shock jock, racist, Holocaust denier, FBI snitch, lynching advocate and jailbird, is back home in his New Jersey condo after spending nearly three years in a prison cell in Indiana for threatening three federal judges on his blog who had upheld a handgun ban in Chicago.

You might add delusional to the Turner list.

Just before being released from a Newark half-way house in pre-dawn darkness last Friday, Turner, 50, told the Herald News of New Jersey, “I think my actions, in defense of the country and working covertly for the FBI, prove I’m one of the good guys.’’

Good guy? Good grief.

On his now defunct radio show, Turner ranted and raved for years about “bull-dyke lesbians,” “savage Negro beasts,” “faggots” and a “portable nigger lyncher” machine.

After a countless number of such incendiary statements on the radio, his blog and at neo-Nazi-sponsored rallies from New York to Michigan, Turner finally went too far. On June 24, 2009, he was arrested and charged with threatening to assault and murder three federal judges. Turner had been seething over a decision in a Chicago appeals court that upheld a local handgun ban.

“Let me be the first to say this plainly,” Turner wrote on his blog on June 2, “these judges deserve to be killed.’’

“Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty,” he continued. “A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions.” The next day, Turner updated the post to include the names, work addresses, phone numbers and photographs of the judges.

It took federal prosecutors three trials before convicting Turner of threatening the judges. The first two ended in mistrials.

Turner’s defense argued that the First Amendment protected his speech. His racist rants and threats were part of his undercover work as an FBI informant, his lawyers said. All his talk of “dykes,” “Negro beasts” and lynching machines was a ruse, they argued, encouraged by his federal handlers to draw truly dangerous white supremacist out into the open.

“The vast majority of the things Hal said were nothing more than shock jock material,” Michael A. Orozco, the lawyer who represented Turner at his first two trials said today. “I don’t think he was a racist. He was doing a lot of those things at the behest of the FBI.”

“Hal likes to push people’s buttons,” Orozco added. “I don’t think he meant to cause those judges any harm.”

Turner worked as an informant for the FBI between 2003 and 2007, providing information on white supremacist groups for the same government he frequently railed against.

During opening remarks at Turner’s third trial, William R. Hogan, an assistant U.S. attorney, was quoted by The New York Times saying, “Mr. Turner regards federal judges as domestic enemies who should be killed. He gets off on inciting others to violence.”

Indeed, a couple of weeks before Christmas in 2005, at a rally in Kingston, N.Y., that was planned by his fellow “good guys,” the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, Turner threatened a lynching campaign targeting blacks and Hispanics.
“White people have a very nasty version of street justice,” he said. “If these crime problems are not settled by the black and Hispanic communities, rest assured we will get our ropes and we will solve them for you.”

Nazis, Klansmen and Turner had descended on Kingston after a black student assaulted a white student at the local high school in October. Turner and his buddies were convinced the incident was racially motivated.

Two years later, Turner was at it again. He organized what he called “Rally Against Black Gang Terrorism” in Kalamazoo, Mich., which was attended by a number of prominent white supremacist speakers.

Turner closed out the event by saying: “It is very rare in America today that a white man will stand in public and talk about lynching blacks, but I did that here today and if you think I’m kidding … I want you to bear in mind that the reason the city put up these fences and called in all these cops was not to protect us from you [black counter-demonstrators]. It was to protect you from us.”

In February 2008, realizing that then presidential-candidate Barack Obama had a real shot at winning the White House, Turner’s response was to write on his blog about Obama’s assassination. “I’m starting to come to the realization that it may be up to a sole person, acting alone, to make certain this guy is never allowed to hold the most powerful office in the world,” he wrote.

Turner later took down the remark.

The fallen shock jock was picked up from a halfway house by his wife, Phyllis, and his son and taken to their condo in North Bergen. He will spend the next six months under house arrest, according to the Herald News, which added that he would be allowed to leave his home for church, medical and legal reasons and to work.

He is barred, however, from participating in Internet or satellite radio programming for the next three years.

Turner told the newspaper that he stands by “every word I wrote” and expects to be vindicated on appeal. “I did not threaten anybody,” he said. The paper said a federal appeals court in Manhattan is due to rule on his case soon.

Turner also told the paper that he would like to return someday to the media world, perhaps as a television commentator. And he talked about his experiences behind bars at the Federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind. “There is constant and real danger in federal prison,” he said. “It is not Club Fed. Many guys refer to Terre Haute as gladiator school. Violence can happen there in a sudden and explosive manner.”

It sounds like the inmates were reading Turner’s old blog posts.

“Don’t think I’m talking out of my ass either,” he wrote in a 2007 post attacking then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for his positions on immigration. “The last time I focused on a federal official like this, it was US District Judge Joan Humphrey-Lefkow of Chicago. I commented on my show that one of her rulings made her worthy of being killed. Some time later, someone broke into her home and slaughtered her mother and husband.”

It turned out that the killer was angry at Lefkow for other reasons and had not been inspired by the shock jock’s comments. But that didn’t stop Turner from exploiting the murders to instill fear in the hearts of his many, many enemies.

  • Ezra_Mead

    Ruslan,

    The answer is simple. You are mis-reading what I ‘m all about. There are really two separate categories the “pro-white movement.” There are the crazies. Groups like Nazis, World Church of the Creator, KKK, … Vinlander Social club (?) whatever they’re called. I don’t really know anything about these types. I think they are weird, losers. I’ve never associated with them. I have never joined such a group, nor would I be interested.

    Then there is another category of very normal people, like Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow. They are calm, reasoned, educated, articulate. It is this latter group I associate myself with. Peter Brimelow is very successful, writing for Forbes and other financial magazines. Taylor speaks four languages: Spanish, French, English, Japanese. Neither has ever advocated anything illegal or ever opined hatred for another group. Taylor accepts homosexuals and Jews. He considers these non-issues. His concern is preservation of western civilization and ending the flood of third world immigration.

    Your mistake is you associate all of us together as one group. I would never be caught dead associating with a Bill White or a Hal Turner. I agree absolutely with you; those kind of guys are losers.

    If you really want to understand us, start reading some of the writings of Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow. You’ll see we’re probably very different than you thought.

  • Reynardine

    Yep, a committee. Note how Ezra has shifted into hysteria gear.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Ezra, as much of a clown as Hal might have been, he still attracted a massive audience of WNs. Amren still has ties to the larger WN movement. Why is your movement so full of mental defectives? Why can’t it shed them away? It’s simple really- Your movement contains people who have nothing to be proud of other than the fact that they’re white.

  • Sam Molloy

    Every law against free expression eventually is misused.

  • Gregory

    JasonAnnieEzra,

    If you, or the committee that creates your persona, are what passes for “normal, healthy white people”, then this country is f**ked. However, since “you” do not meet that criteria, there may be some hope for the good ol’ U.S. of A. after all.

  • Ezra_Mead

    You all speak lies. Communist lies. What does the phrase “Labor in kind” mean? It means slaves! That’s what it says in the Yalta agreement. Stalin had a secret agreement with Churchill to take 4 million German civilians as slaves after the war to Siberia. It says in the Yalta agreement Russia can take, “Labor in kind”. Women, children, and babies. In addition, 4-5 million German POW’s were kept as slaves in the Soviet Union after the war. By my tally, there are about 16 million Germans who are “missing”. What happened to them?

    Far more Germans were carried off into slavery during the 20th century than all the Blacks brought to America in the previous four hundred years as slaves.

    read the Yalta agreement. There is a clause that says Russia has the right after the war to take German civilians as “Labor In Kind”. What is that? It’s a slave! They took German civilians as slaves after the war to Siberia.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Oh, my Lord, this is too easy. Ezra/Annie/Jason:

    “Hal turner admitted he was an actor. His whole show was fake. Nobody at American Renaissance or any legitimate group working against anti-white hatred and bias ever took him serious or wanted anything to do with him.

    The posters on here are all a bunch of anti-white bigots and haters. They speak nothing but lies. Their kind are even creating fake portrayals of us, clown really, like Hal Turner, to discredit normal, healthy white people.”

    Where to begin? Let’s see…his show was a fake? Check out his numbers of listeners and the events he spoke at…that audience took him pretty seriously for all those years..

    “The posters here are all a bunch of anti-white bigots and haters.” That’s a hoot! Wrong, genius, we just hate dummies like you!

    “They speak nothing but lies.” So why are you here to talk to us? Why are you wasting your precious energy and pearls of stupidity on a bunch of liars? Do you enjoy being smacked down on an hourly basis? (Maybe he/she likes it when he hires a dominatrix)

    Who speaks lies? Let’s check out your own material:

    Tell us how the Holocaust never happened!

    Then tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers!

    Then tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler!

    Then show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man!

    And tell us again how you’ll prove it to us, only if we pay you vast sums of money, showing that you’re into neo-Nazism and junior Fascism for that noblest of purposes…the money!

    Then you can give us citations and evidence for all these wacky ideas!

    Until then, the tumbrels await for you!

    See? I don’t even have to think in dealing with him/her/it…I just cut-and-paste my own stuff!

    And he still hasn’t answered a single one of my questions!

    And when are you going to do that profile of us?

    I still need an e-mail address to send you my resume.

    And tell me: the things you demanded we do: get married, join the military, save our money, buy a house, and get a better-paying job…when are you going to lead by example, and get out of your parents’ basement and do that very thing?

    But we know why Ezra/Annie/Jason is here…after he’s done spouting drivel, he runs back to American Renaissance, and tells all his buddies how he was bravely standing up for the white race against those horrid Negroes, Communists, and Jews, waging epic battle with them on the internet. Yep, standing in the gap, just like Horatius at the Roman bridge or Maj. John Howard at Pegasus Bridge.

    Such bravery and valor.

    I haven’t seen such raw, unvarnished courage, since the “Immortal Regiment” of the Russian Civil War. I’m sure Ruslan knows about that White Army outfit.

    I get more laughs out of Ezra/Jason/Annie than I do out of “Comedy Central.”

    Tell us again why you’re wasting your time on “liars” and when you’re going to do those profiles of us!

  • adamhill

    Right Ezra, I’m sure you suffer lots of “anti-white hatred”. I’m sure people refuse you employment and housing because of your white skin. I’m sure when you encounter people at night, they immediately think you’re a criminal, and I’m sure you were provided with less attention from teachers in schools because you’re white. The reason you’re more likely to be given the death penalty for identical crimes as those committed by people with darker skin color is because, poor you, you’re white.

    I’m sure if by magic you could choose right now which skin color you have now, you’d change it to any color, any color at all, but white!

  • Aron

    Ezra, you made a mistake yet again: AmRen and its ilk are NOT legitimate organizations.

  • aadila

    It’s not a lie, Ezra!

    The panzers stopped dead in their tracks.

  • Ezra_Mead

    Hal turner admitted he was an actor. His whole show was fake. Nobody at American Renaissance or any legitimate group working against anti-white hatred and bias ever took him serious or wanted anything to do with him.

    The posters on here are all a bunch of anti-white bigots and haters. They speak nothing but lies. Their kind are even creating fake portrayals of us, clown really, like Hal Turner, to discredit normal, healthy white people.

  • Reynardine

    Aadila, if you are correct about Ruslan, I daresay he simply took off his dark glasses and boiled the Nazis’ samovars for them.

  • aadila

    Yes, Sam.

    In totalitarian regimes, dissenters such as Sacco and Vanzetti, are simply killed.

    In this case the United States.

    Odd how quickly right wing stereotypes fall when confronted with facts.

  • Sam Molloy

    Welcome, Tobias, and kudos for using a real name. In this country the line is drawn at threats. In other civilized countries mere hate speech is illegal. Our current leadership has elected to stop using certain terms, like Muslim Extremist, and Jihad. The UN has proposed to disallow “Blasphemy”, which I suppose they can expertly define. In Totalitarian regimes dissenters are simply killed. This seems to me to be a progression down the same path.

  • aadila

    Some may also have read the propaganda posters that explain Ruslan singlehandedly stopped a panzer division at the seige of Leningrad with a Tokarev-TT33. This is not true. It is well understood by most historians that this pistol was completely out of ammunition, and the panzers simply ground to a halt when they approached Ruslan’s humanity, on the merit of personality alone.

  • aadila

    This is just a word to the wise:

    There are documented accounts of Ruslan peering through one foot of lead panel to cause a samovar to boil. For this reason, with infinite compassion, Ruslan always wears dark lenses to protect us, but it is wise not to tempt him all the same.

  • Tobias A. Weissman

    Freedom of speech in this country doesn’t mean that one can threaten some one with bodily harm.

  • aadila

    Negatory, Erza. Irregardless not.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “No. You’re wrong. There is nothing wrong with informal use of the word “irregardless” in casual text, such as we have here.

    Check out this Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

    I don’t give a damn about Wikipedia; irregardless is not a proper word.

    “I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.”

    Like Kiwi, I’ve pretty much done most of that. That’s one reason why I’m not a White Nationalist. I have a life, I have real things to be proud of, ergo I don’t need to take pride in my “race”, a societal construct into which I was born by chance. I don’t spend time worrying about foreigners, interracial dating, homosexuals, etc.

  • Gregory

    When JasonAnnieEzra provides his/her DD214, then I will do the same.

  • Sydney

    ““Don’t think I’m talking out of my ass either,” he wrote in a 2007 post attacking then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for his positions on immigration.”

    Harry Reid is still the Senate Majority Leader.

  • adamhill

    “If you believe Jared Taylor’s ideas are “stupid, hateful, and incorrect,” then go to the American Renaissance website, contact Jared Taylor, and begin posting your rebuttals.”

    Um, why would I do that? There is no lack of people with fervently-held stupid, hateful, incorrect, crazy beliefs. Ordinarily the most sensible approach to such people is to ignore them and instead use my limited time on more productive pursuits, such as interacting with my children and wife, doing volunteer work, studying, etc. I think the Raelians are a bunch of lunatics and/or con-artists, but I don’t visit their website and waste my time trying to convince them otherwise. Why bother? The only reason I engage with you is because I think the discussions on this SPLC (an organization that does much to improve the world) website ultimately have positive outcomes, including more donations coming in for the SPLC.

    When visitors to this website read the kinds of things you write, Ezra, they are more likely to donate money to the SPLC. For readers of this site, you make the problem of racists out there attempting to promote white supremacy (with all its associated social damage and criminality) more tangible and frightening, and they donate money. Please keep coming back.

    “You are free to do all of these things. I will not try to stop you nor infringe upon your freedom of speech.”

    Gee, thanks. Because I’ve been up all night worrying about whether or not you would infringe on it.

    I understand that since you have embraced a racist idealogy, you believe those who disagree with you to be deluded dupes of some “libtard multiculturalist” conspiracy, while you and your friends on the fringe right have seen the light and are in possession of a greater truth. To take up and argue with the talking points of Jared Taylor (and for all we know, you might even be him) is essentially to point out the many deficits of racist ideology, which is no more complicated a chore than communicating the nature of a set of logical fallacies and applying them to said talking points, and thereby debunking the pseudo-science used to support them. The problems with actually engaging in this tiresome task, however, are 1) all of these arguments and information have already been made and are easily available to you (Google “logical fallacies” for starters, then consider absolutely dispassionately each of Jared Taylor’s assertions; read some books on critical thinking, basic statistics, probability, and the scientific method; they might actually change your life), 2) it would make no difference, because you are already sold, born-again, a “true believer”.

    Beyond a quick plea to seek truth without prejudice, you can’t convince a Raelian to not be a Raelian.

  • aadila

    Ezra seems so … unreliable.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Ezra/Annie/Jason: “I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.”

    Did all of those.

    When have you?

  • Reynardine

    Ezra, I have done a number of these things, and although nothing in this incarnation will ever make a man out of me, I am more of one than you.

  • Aron

    Ezra, you tell me to make something of my life? I own a successful business with clients all over the world. I’ve had more success in my twenty-five years of life than you will EVER experience.

    And no matter how you cut it, using the word ‘irregardless’ makes you look even dumber than if you had used ‘ain’t.’

    But nice try, sport.

  • aadila

    Well Ezra, you cute little vanilla wafer, there is nothing wrong about banging randomly on the keyboard either, you might even try using your forehead, but if you want to be understood you might stick to words which are intelligible and literate.

  • A.D.M.

    European-Americans? No, nothing about you is European, EzraJasonAnnie. You’re about as European as Mitt Romney knows what it’s like to be poor.

  • aadila

    I think it’s because you stumped him, Kiwi. He doesn’t know what to say.

  • Ezra_Mead

    Aron, aadila,

    No. You’re wrong. There is nothing wrong with informal use of the word “irregardless” in casual text, such as we have here.

    Check out this Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

    If I were writing a formal paper, it would be an issue, but there is nothing here that bothers me. Why are you so concerned about trivial details?

    I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Another question for our tri-sexual:

    You claim a great deal of knowledge of the inner workings of neo-Nazi organizations, including Hal Turner, which you claim you “never listen to.” So how do you know so much about him and them?

    And I took a peep at your pals at AmRen.”

    “Reasoned, honest, calm?” I found them paranoid, apocalyptic, sex-obsessed, whiny, and sarcastic.

    A lot of people obsessed with white women dating black guys and white guys dating Asian girls, gnashing their teeth, I guess, that they can’t “do it” with hotties.

    And ridiculous first-person stories about negative encounters with black people. Maybe if they didn’t bring the chips on their shoulders to the encounter, they wouldn’t have turned out so badly.

    Also, a lot of begging…begging for speaking engagements for Jared Taylor, begging for people to write snottygrams to the editors of their local newspapers, begging for people to show up at the “conferences,” and most of all, most importantly, begging for money.

    Which is the heart of the operation, of course.

    Speaking of obsession with money, Ezra/Jason/Annie, I recall you told us that you would only provide proofs for your arguments if we paid you vast sums of money! What are you in the great white crusade for?

    And another thing…if civilization is going to collapse, leading to race wars and tyranny, why are you guys so money-obsessed? What value will money have after the apocalypse or when we’re all living in Panem, under President Snow, and watching the Hunger Games?

    Looks to me like this is just racial hatred with a pwetty face combined with a money-making scheme straight out of the snake oil days.

    So, yeah, Ezra/Annie/Jason, I looked. I was not impressed, either by the snide copy or the cogency of the paranoid arguments, so I’ve done my reconnaissance and report. Some of that stuff sounded like the most ridiculous fiction….like a black woman naming her daughter “Latrine” because it sounded pretty.

    The only thing that amused me was the racist who said, “Ask a Liberal if he hears ‘Haitian Airlines, now boarding,’ if he would board. If they do, they’re stupid. If they don’t, they’re hypocrites.”

    Actually, third-world nations usually have extremely well-run international airlines, because they’re carrying the flag of the country, and often their domestic airlines are pretty good, too, for the same reason. And I’ve had pretty appalling service on American flag carriers, both international and domestic. Obviously, this was a clown who knows less about international aviation than he does about race, which isn’t saying much.

    But, anyway, Ezra/Jason/Annie, when ARE you going to do that web page so we can send you our 10-year resumes for that page of profiles you were building, and explain to us the purpose of that exercise?

    We’re all eagerly awaiting.

    And besides, it’s YOUR JOB to present your arguments, not make other people do your research for you. In addition to being stupid, you’re also lazy. No wonder the white race is falling down, if you’re its greatest representative.

    And tell me again how superior you are to Percy Lavon Julian, Jan E. Metzeliger, Zora Neale Hurston, and Robert C. Weaver. If you don’t know who they are, do some work for a change, instead of sitting in your parents’ basement, whining.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Hey, Ezra/Jason/Annie…how come you haven’t answered my questions?

  • CM

    “A show, orchestrated by the FBI. Similar to ABSCAM during the 1970’s. … I believe that most Nazi/KKK organizations are actually organized by the FBI. They’re fake organizations. There are only a tiny handful of real white patriot groups out there. You can tell they are real because their content and arguments are well reasoned, honest, calm, and always within the law.”

    Let the record show:

    Jason Smith said,

    on April 28th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    “Remember guys, that every Nazi group should be suspect as the FBI is know to set up fake organizations; vis-a-vis ABSCAM of the 1970s and COINTELPRO. If it’s not a complete FBI fake setup, the FBI certainly has moles in the group who are paid informers and are probably leaders in the group. Because those leaders have access to membership rolls.”

    Annie said,

    on August 9th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    “Every ‘Nazi’ or ‘KKK’ organization is an FBI Psy-Ops front: A Co-Intel program similar to ABSCAM in the 1970’s.”

    Ezra_mead said,

    on September 19th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    “Every KKK or Nazi organization is just one guy with a website and a PO box. Probably a high school kid just trolling. Whenever KKK or Nazis have a rally, usually only 25 guys show up. Half are either FBI agents or undercover media. … Anyone can create a blog, so these punks are creating blogs as trolls so they can sit back and laugh and watch the reaction.”

    That last sentence looks a lot like self-description.

  • aadila

    Irregardless is not a word. You may say regardless or you may say irrespective.

    Thank you please come again!

  • Aron

    HAHAHA! Ezra said ‘irregardless!’ HAHAHA!

    Learn to speak English, genius.

  • Ezra_Mead

    adamhill,

    If you believe Jared Taylor’s ideas are “stupid, hateful, and incorrect,” then go to the American Renaissance website, contact Jared Taylor, and begin posting your rebuttals. I have emailed Taylor and he was gracious to respond personally. I’m sure many of the posters over at America Renaissance will be willing to debate you if you are civil, polite, and respectable. Their website is http://www.amren.com/

    You are free to do all of these things. I will not try to stop you nor infringe upon your freedom of speech. You are free to go to pro-white websites and debate the individuals there.

  • Ezra_Mead

    Irregardless of the very long posts above, we all agree that Hal Turner was an FBI operative, correct?

    If that is true, he does not represent any true white nationalist. It was a put-on. An act. A lie. A very stupid one at that. A show, orchestrated by the FBI. Similar to ABSCAM during the 1970′s. Just a front. Does not that make you question if many of the other white nationalist organizations are also FBI fronts? e. g. NSM, National Alliance, Aryan Brotherhood, World Church of the Creator… basically any wacky group of nut cases.

    I believe that most Nazi/KKK organizations are actually organized by the FBI. They’re fake organizations. There are only a tiny handful of real white patriot groups out there. You can tell they are real because their content and arguments are well reasoned, honest, calm, and always within the law.

  • CM

    “The fake Hal Turner probably cooresponds to what most of you imagine white ‘racists’ to be. He matched the imagine in their mind: A clown. But it was all a lie. Don’t you see? He was fake. It was a setup. A ‘Hal Turner’ type is definitely not me! That’s not what I’m all about.”

    Actually, Jason – oops, sorry, “Ezra,” – that’s exactly what you’re “all about”: a fake, a liar, a clown. Your favorite tactic (actually, your only tactic) is to make the most outrageously false and stupid comment possible in the context of a given thread, then respond like a total blockhead when someone points out that it’s false and stupid.

    In other words, your comments here are the intellectual and moral equivalent of farting in a crowded elevator. You do indeed draw attention (which seems to be your goal), but it does put you in something of a bad odor with other people. And while it’s always easy, and sometimes amusing, to demonstrate that your utterances are nothing but smelly toots, it’s also pointless, because you just come back with another blast of verbal flatulence.

    My guess is that you do this stuff to demonstrate (to yourself) your vast intellectual superiority, thinking you’re somehow tricking people, manipulating them, like some sort of mastermind. But I think you’d be more impressive if you’d stop acting like a precocious and seriously deranged 9-year-old.

  • adamhill

    Ezra,

    Communicating stupid, hateful, incorrect ideas in a calm and reasonable way doesn’t make them any less stupid, hateful, or incorrect.

  • Reynardine

    Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi, kiss us moa!

  • Kiwiwriter

    Hey, Ezra/Jason/Annie: I came, I saw, I watched your video, and couldn’t stop laughing at its fatuity.

    Anyway, you’re getting snotty little comments back at you, because YOU STARTED THEM! And no, you’re not a fake. We don’ t think you’re a fake. Distorted, stupid, idiotic, a cut-and-paster, dumb, a spouter of silly ideas, a coward, a fool, condescending, whiney, smug, a troll, a cretin, a misguided individual, a waste of the talents God gives to people, not armed with the good sense God gave maggots, an embarrassment to white people, someone who needs a real life and to get out of his parents’ basement, signed up with a silly cause, pathetic, entertaining, hilarious, and the biggest source of laughs on this site outside of Bungalow Boob.

    For example, Ezra/Jason/Annie, do you remember, a few blog entries ago, demanding all kinds of information from us for those “profiles” you were building? You asked for our sexual preferences, our arrest history, our debt levels, and our resume for the past 10 years.

    Now, you never made those profiles, didn’t tell us what it was all for, heck, you didn’t even give us an e-mail address or a mailing address where we were supposed to send our resumes for the past 10 years to! Where was I supposed to send that, Goofy? Fascists-Are-Us? Care of the Obseralzberg?

    And how about some of the other idiotic statements you’ve made? Take a look below. Remember spouting them? Do you expect us to give you even the slightest droplets of respect when you come out with such clangers? When you don’t answer our requests for proof and to back up your idiocies?

    We treat people who give childish and puerile outbursts around here with exactly what they deserve: snappy answers to stupid questions. No more, no less.

    That’s all you get, because that’s all you’re worth. As Corinthians says, it’s time you put away childish things. Don’t like the world? Tough. Live in it. The world didn’t turn out the way you wanted? Tougher. Get a helmet.Not happy that “minorities” are outnumbering whites? Go marry a girl who looks like Linda Evans, complete with shoulder pads, and raise a baseball team of kids on a compound somewhere, with like-minded looney tunes, totally separated from the real world, and see how long that lasts before it starts falling down from incompetence and paranoia. Nobody’s stopping you. Nobody even cares.

    Until you get a clue, and get some help, and start asking real questions, seeking real answers, all you will get around here will be derision and re-runs. That’s all you’re worth. To us, you’re just entertainment.

    So in that vein, here comes my standard re-run for you.

    Annie/Jason/Ezra lives in a nice little house, right next to reality.

    I gotta tell you, though, this is a lot funnier than Bungalow Boob…he hasn’t shown up lately. I miss him.

    So Annie/Jason/Ezra, what happened with those profiles you were building of all the members of this forum? When are you going to create that web page with your worldview and your biting, incisive, well-researched analysis?

    Anyway, here’s my stock response to Annie/Jason/Ezra, just so that I can be “as constant as the Northern Star:”

    Annie/Jason Smith/Ezra Mead is back again!

    Complete with revolving sex changes…here strictly to derail the discussion!

    So, Annie/Jason/Ezra Mead…do tell us how the Holocaust never happened!

    Then tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers!

    Then tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler!

    Then show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man!

    And tell us again how you’ll prove it to us, only if we pay you vast sums of money, showing that you’re into neo-Nazism and junior Fascism for that noblest of purposes…the money!

    Then you can give us citations and evidence for all these wacky ideas!

    Until then, the tumbrels await for you!

    See? I don’t even have to think in dealing with him/her/it…I just cut-and-paste my own stuff!

    I still miss Bungalow Boob, though.

    The Thurm be with you, Jason/Annie/Ezra.

    And when are you going to do that profile of us?

  • Kiwiwriter

    I’m sure Mr. Turner did not have that pleasant a time in prison. His Aryan Brotherhood buddies may not have been that eager to guard someone who was an admitted FBI informant, and the other ethnic groups in the can probably hated him.

    It probably has made him more angry…and he may become harsher in his rhetoric. I suspect he will break his parole as soon as possible, a la Bill White, via proxies or just simply going ahead and doing it.

    At least his audience will no longer drool over him, because he has admitted to being an FBI informant. Ironically, many of those adherents themselves would likely sell out their own mothers if it got them a break from the authorities.

    Hal Turner is an example of a tragic waste of the talents and abilities that we are given by God and allowed to nurture in free societies. He could have put his ability to gain and hold an audience to positive uses, but chose to enmesh himself in a world of hatred, lies, conspiracy theories, and paranoia. Now he has paid a price for it, and, because of the combination of his federal conviction and “outing,” will continue to do so.

  • aadila

    Erika,

    While solitary confinement for any more than a period of days is widely considered torture by international experts, unfortunately the use of torture in the United States goes beyond solitary confinement.

    This practice ranges from cops and corrections officers who feel the slightest delay in obeying their commands should result in a beating to individuals such as Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and officers under his command, who systematically used electric shock to ears and genitals, mock executions, suffocation, and burning on some 135 people in custody. They were all black and one was only thirteen.

    Not one of the torturers was ever tried and remain free to this day. You might look into it:

    “It is now common knowledge that in the early to mid-1980s Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and many officers working under him in the physical abuse and torture of prisoners to extract confessions.” U.S. ex rel. Maxwell v. Gilmore 37 F. Supp.2d 1078 (N.D. Ill. 1999).

    Impunity is the handmaiden of injustice.

  • Ezra_mead

    I don’t know Hal Turner. I never listened to his show. From what I’ve read the guy was a real jerk. The case of Hal Turner proves what I’ve been saying. He was employed by the FBI as a fake Nazi/racist/fascist/whatever to lure in lone nuts and fruitcakes, spreading lies.

    Whereas Jared Taylor is an example of a real white american who questions multiculturalism and advocates for european americans.

    The fake Hal Turner probably cooresponds to what most of you imagine white ‘racists’ to be. He matched the imagine in their mind: A clown. But it was all a lie. Don’t you see? He was fake. It was a setup. A “Hal Turner” type is definitely not me! That’s not what I’m all about.

    I urge you to listen to some of Jared Taylor’s talks on youtube. Don’t you see how calm and reasoned his words are? Ca you see the rationality of what he says? My position matches that of Jared Taylor. That is the man I agree with and identify with. Definitely NOT a Hal Turner.

  • Erika

    The fact that he was a well known snitch likely made his prison stay most unpleasant regardless of ideology. While he naturally would have fit in to the white supremacist prison gangs (which Ezra, Lew, and those other adorable cream horns of the white supremacist movement probably deny the existance of) its doubtful they would touch him with a 10 foot pole (except to do some most unpleasant and unspeakable things to him with it) because he was a snitch.

    “Snitches get stitches” is not just a saying. About the only way to be less popular in the prison setting than a well known snitch is to be a pedophile.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if he spent most of the time in “protective custody” due to him being a snitch for the FBI. That is solitary confinement which is seen by many people as being torture which can cause a major mental break in people. One can hope that Mr. Turner’s awful prison experience has changed his view of the world but more likely it made him even more angry at it.

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    Don Terry

    I’m glad I don’t have Harold C. Turner’s resume. The guy sounds lovely, just lovely. I hope I never run into him.

  • aadila

    Hopefully he had the opportunity to develop his ethics in prison but for some reason I doubt it. Most inmates of American correctional facilities go back in because our system of punishment does not address the root causes of hate and crime.

    Specifically I would like to refer to the institution of torture in American prisons, jails, immigration detention centers, mental health facilities and police stations. We don’t like to think this goes on in America but it is a widespread and relatively common practice, and is applied not always to violent offenders but merely those who speak up for their rights in confinement.

    For those who are concerned, I would like to ask you to take a moment to that violence and hate take many forms in our society. The U.S. continues to reject the Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture (OPCAT), which has already been signed by 63 nations including our friends and allies in England, Sweden, and elsewhere. Since I don’t want to be accused of copypasta there are online petitions easily found by searching on the Internet.

    Hate takes many forms. We cannot expect our citizens to uphold moral virtues of tolerance and non-violence as long as we continue to practice torture in our institutions of justice. They come out traumatized, but not rehabilitated.

  • Reynardine

    Oh, *I* remember eso gato, and I bet we’ll hear about him again. Nothing good.

  • adamhill

    Hal Turner now faces similar restrictions to giving vent to his sociopathologies as did Bill White. He might not be able to stand three years of inability to use the Internet to sputter and rave.

  • Aron

    If those were not threats, then I’ll eat my hat. And fur felt is not very tasty.

    (I can’t wait for Ezra and Lew to defend this sparkling member of the white race.)