Many adults who are “into” spanking actually see being spanked (and i might as well admit this includes me) as being a “need” because they need “punishment” for being “bad.” Yet, unlike the childhood experience in receiving corporal punishment that “punishment” is controlled and can be stopped if it hurts too much (and obviously you get to pick who administers it). i believe that while this is often considered masochism its not really masochism but instead a coping mechanism to deal with the childhood trauma of punishment by exerting control. And i know that when i think about my childhood i think that i must have been a really bad child to have been hit so often (especially as a white girl which is statistically the group less likely to be paddled in school) – a more rational explanation was that my mother is kind of crazy (she actually told me to be thankful that God created my bottom as a padded place for me to be punished on – seriously, so its not wonder i have such emotional issues connected to corporal punishment) and i grew up in the Bible Belt. One interesting note – while the wooden paddle plays a large role in American spanking erotica very few adults into spanking actually use it because it is too dangerous and has too much risk of serious injury.

There is also a strong link between severe corporal punishment of children and adult criminology. In just about every case of serious crimes there is mitigation evidence of childhood abuse – which is often horrifying. My belief is that spanking and other forms of corporal punishment should be viewed as sexual abuse because it has similar dangers. And realistically it creates too much danger of sexual abuse to allow any corporal punishment of children to be legal.

Thus, while it is right to focus on the extreme physical dangers of corporal punishment especially by the paddle the emotional dangers of corporal punishemnt of children should not be ignored. In fact, i think it should be primary in seeing why there is no safe level for corporal punishment of children.

Do you live in one of the states which still paddles children? If so, there may be little you can do about it – there is actually case law from some states which say that even if parents puts in writing that they do not permit their child to be paddled the school can still paddle the child and not be sued about it.

Remember also that the persistence of corporal punishment in this country is primarily due to the religious influence because of a misinterpretation of the Bible. Thus, to the people which advocate having the state being able to beat children in schools it is perfectly consistent with banning the teaching of evolution, requiring children to pray and read the Bible, absidence only education, banning access to birth control, and turning public schools into right wing Christian indoctrination centers.

Once its understood that to them “parental rights” means their right to dictate to every other parent how their children should be raised and educated it all becomes clear. Beating children into submission is all part of their attempt to control absolutely everything. In fact, much of conservative Christianity is heavy in the submission element.

On any given day, chances are you can find someone in your area who is into spanking on Craigslist.

I think this is a good enough reason to keep adults from doing it to kids in American public schools…but unfortunately, the religious right with their strange moralities seem to feel that engaging in sexual fetishes is alright in the name of discipline. In fact they think it’s how things should be because you actually have to opt out as a parent each year to prevent your children from being abused and humiliated by middle aged men with sticks and hungry eyes.

What I find odd about all this is that some states which allow this form of abuse in schools — which, by the way routinely leaves marks, welts, and bruises for days afterward — generally mobilize child protection services when such marks are left on kids at home.

I suppose this philosophy reflects the extent to which right wingers, especially in the South, are willing to give up their liberties to the state. Oddly, they denounce state meddling in family matters, i.e. giving children factual information about evolutionary processes, human reproduction, and sexual health.

Well, right wingers never made sense before, why would they now?

* okay, maybe the thing that i find most unbelieveable is that based upon surveys millions of adults are known to engage in consensual spanking activities for pleasure and some people still think that spanking children for punishment is proper. What is wrong with them?

Let’s make it 89!

Generally in schools, we are talking about white men who have a deep neurosis about their unreliable appendage, who compensate for this by humilating and causing pain to children and adolescents, who are weaker and subordinate, and cannot properly defend themselves. The paddle is clearly a phallic object, and represents male authority, and the choice of paddling the buttocks should also be very obvious in its sexual nature.

Keep in mind also that these are long held social customs perpetuated by people who suffered the same, and like any cycle of violence, it will only stop when consciousness is raised about the long term consequences of this form of punishment on young people. In advanced societies and well adjusted families, corporal punishment is not common.

Corporal punishment is no less than a symptom of a greatly diseased culture, afflicted by the imperative of male dominance and aggression.

Having experienced both corporal punishment and seclusion (they called it “in school suspension,” but you had to sit at a desk in a windowless room by yourself so it met the legal definition of seclusion) in school i can say that both were awful and traumatic experiences. If anything, the seclusion was actually worse :(

The social isolation and lack of social development of homeschooling is a real danger – add in with the fact that much homeschooling is closer to brainwashing than education (many of the largest providers of home schooling materials are ultra right wing Christian institutions from the completely disreputable (Bob Jones University) to the semireputable (Liberty University)) and many of the white supremacists home school their children and you have a very bad combination.

In other cultures, where education is prized, teachers are well paid and highly respected. Here the Republicans try to dismantle the teachers’ unions, and do everything in their power to keep kids from being exposed to challenging ideas and to develop their critical thinking capabilities.

But my experience with people who have been home schooled is that they lack critical thinking and develop weird pesonality quirks, specifically with regard to their social responsibilities and relating to people. I don’t think they have the chance to develop their identities as citizens and members of society because they will tend to look at the world through a very limited scope.

Like Erika says, they end up worse than ignorant. They end up crippled with misinformation.

Maybe next time you should stick to playing Solitaire :)

i have a feeling that Ezra may have actually been “home schooled” by white nationalists parents.

…I still break out in giggles every time I think about what he said, though. I mean, I know racists were IDIOTS, but I didn’t realize until that moment just HOW stupid they were.

…And I also get the warm-and-fuzzies in knowing that while I’m getting an education in such obscure and esoteric subjects as semiotics, Ezra probably flunked out of middle school after repeating the same grade four times.

I can’t answer for Aron or Ruslan, but the august elder Russians I knew were two from the Black Sea and one from the eastern border of Belorussia, and a bunch of yellow Whites in Siberia wouldn’t have been high on their radar.

That was almost a perfect response :)

The “Immortal Regiment” turned up in an article on the Russian Civil War in the July/August 1976 issue of “Strategy & Tactics” magazine, published by Simulations Publications, or SPI, to the wargaming cognoscenti. (Issue No. 57) The article was timed to the release of their multi-player game “Russian Civil War.”

It said, and I quote, having it in front of me, “Because of the low standards and general unreliability of most troops, all armies formed various elite units for carrying out important tasks. The Reds employed ’shock’ battalions, often composed of foreign ex-prisoners of war. The Whites often formed special units with distinctive names, such as ‘Death’s Head’ or ‘Guards.’ Even such picked units, however, left much to be desired in terms of performance. Among the White forces in Siberia was the so-called ‘Immortal’ Regiment. It lived up to its name by fleeing whenever the enemy approached.”

The main article (and game) in the magazine was “Panzergruppe Guderian: The Battle for Smolensk,” which was one of their more successful games, a big 1941 battle between Army Group Center and the Soviets. Shelby Stanton and Victor Madej did the article. Jim Dunnigan and Redmond Simonsen, two titans of wargaming, did the game. I still have it and the magazine.

If I’m wrong, then my source is lousy, and such is life. But I remembered the “Immortal Regiment” all these years for that story. Glad I was able to track it down.
Now to pleasure.

Ezra/Jason/Annie: “Someday you’ll be on a talk show, flogging one of your novels, and you’ll complain, ‘I once debated this guy named Ezra on the Internet and he ignored all my posts, even though they were so clever’. Then you will burst out into tears on live TV.”

Hey, Jason/Annie/Ezra: At least Supersonic (or whoever you were writing to) will be the one counting the hard- and well-earned money for his legitimate literary work, while you’re still sitting in your parents’ basement, whining about how badly neo-Nazis are treated.

Now, don’t give me that horse manure about how you’re a “reasonable” person. Just so that I don’t misquote you, here’s your garbage:

“Then there is another category of very normal people, like Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow. They are calm, reasoned, educated, articulate. It is this latter group I associate myself with. Peter Brimelow is very successful, writing for Forbes and other financial magazines. Taylor speaks four languages: Spanish, French, English, Japanese. Neither has ever advocated anything illegal or ever opined hatred for another group. Taylor accepts homosexuals and Jews. He considers these non-issues. His concern is preservation of western civilization and ending the flood of third world immigration.

Your mistake is you associate all of us together as one group. I would never be caught dead associating with a Bill White or a Hal Turner. I agree absolutely with you; those kind of guys are losers.

If you really want to understand us, start reading some of the writings of Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow. You’ll see we’re probably very different than you thought.”

Really? Then we compare this with your own words, as CM posted, and I repeat:

Jason Smith said,

on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

“What’s wrong with being a neo-Nazi?”

Then there’s this gem:

Jason Smith said,

on February 11th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

“America is an evil country. While our brave young men were fighting in the East to stop the Asiatic hoards [sic], America bombed our civilians. There were no German soldiers left in the cities near the end of WWII. There were only babies, old people, young children, women. Yet the Americans bombed these civilians. During all this time our brave young men were fighting against Communism. America is an evil country. America fought on the side of evil during WWII. And evil won that war.”

Who’s this “our” you keep referring to – unser Volk, vielleicht?

As for JasEzrAnnie’s understanding of “very normal people” and what “reasoned” means, there’s this memorable remark:

Jason Smith said,

on May 7th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

“FYI: I do not read any of your responses. I never click on your links. I am not going to do any work for you or answer your questions for free. I don’t do that.”

In other words, “Don’t confuse me with facts. Whatever you say, I’m going to stick my fingers in my ears and go, ‘Lalalalala, I can’t hear you.’ ”

And you say you don’t read our writing? Then why are you asking us for our life stories for your “web page?”

Better yet, why are you here? Haven’t you figured out yet that we all think you’re the biggest and funniest pile of stupidity since Tom Metzger tried to be his own lawyer when the SPLC sued him in 1990? Oh, wait…I forgot, you think that organizations like his are just FBI plants and jokers, not taken seriously. Well, somebody took them seriously enough to follow their orders to commit murder!

I’m talking to you, fella! *SMACK* *SMACK* *SMACK*

Here, read this again:

Who speaks lies? Let’s check out your own material:

Tell us how the Holocaust never happened!

Tell us how Stalin was going to mate German captives with apes to create monkey-men! (Or at least film a Soviet version of “Planet of the Apes”)

Then tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers!

Then tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler!

Then show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man!

And tell us again how you’ll prove it to us, only if we pay you vast sums of money, showing that you’re into neo-Nazism and junior Fascism for that noblest of purposes…the money!

Then you can give us citations and evidence for all these wacky ideas!

I’m talking to you, dummy! *SMACK* *SMACK* *SMACK*

You can say you don’t read what we write, but we know you do…if you didn’t, you wouldn’t be here!

See? I don’t even have to think in dealing with him/her/it…I just cut-and-paste my own stuff!

And he still hasn’t answered a single one of my questions!

And when are you going to do that profile of us? And if you aren’t reading what we write, why did you specifically ask us for those profiles?

I still need an e-mail address to send you my resume.

And tell me: the things you demanded we do: get married, join the military, save our money, buy a house, and get a better-paying job…when are you going to lead by example, and get out of your parents’ basement and do that very thing?

But we know why Ezra/Annie/Jason is here…after he’s done spouting drivel, he runs back to American Renaissance, and tells all his buddies how he was bravely standing up for the white race against those horrid Negroes, Communists, and Jews, waging epic battle with them on the internet. Yep, standing in the gap, just like Horatius at the Roman bridge or Maj. John Howard at Pegasus Bridge.

I also love his obsession with the Soviet Union. I guess he doesn’t know the Soviet Union had its “going out of business” sale only 22 years ago. And Stalin passed on to the next world on March 4, 1953.

I get more laughs out of Ezra/Jason/Annie than I do out of “Comedy Central.”

Tell us again why you’re wasting your time on “liars” and when you’re going to do those profiles of us!

And how about the Nazi use of slave labor. Alfried Krupp was the greatest slave owner in history, with even a special camp for the children of slave laborer as Voerde-bei-Dinslaken.

And if we’re all such liars and Communists, why are you still here?

And what do the Yalta Accords have to do with Hal Turner and American Renaissance? Nothing. Just to hijack the discussion.

So when are you going to provide us with that e-mail or mailing address for our 10-year resumes?

Hey, physician, here’s a suggestion: Heal thyself. Move out of your parents’ basement, take a shower, put on some deodorant, buy a clean shirt and pair of pants, and get a real job.

You have a better chance of working at Burger King than you do of achieving a “whites-only” state. And I’d like to see you fight a racial war. You wouldn’t last 10 minutes.

I’m talking to you, idiot! *SMACK*

What I think you meant to say is that you will be on television flogging one of your novels, not one of ours. Anyway, I will save you the trouble, but should you honour your pledge you will not be flogging on of my “novels”. I write non-fiction, published, and available even in that shithole you call home.

on October 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

“Someday you’ll be on a talk show, flogging one of your novels, and you’ll complain, ‘I once debated this guy named Ezra on the Internet and he ignored all my posts, even though they were so clever’. Then you will burst out into tears on live TV.”

….Snrk… Heh heh…. Hahahaha… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!

Okay, I just made a fool of myself in class, but that was THE best laugh I’ve had in weeks. Oh, thank you Ezra, that’s comedy gold!

Furthermore, you always bring up things like Communism and the USSR, when they have nothing to do with the topic. I know in your fantasy world, liberals are supposedly fellow travelers of Communists, but historically this largely hasn’t been the case. The SPLC doesn’t advocate Communism or socialism, and at least in the US liberalism probably had a bigger hand in disarming Communism than conservatism ever had.

Or he is going off to Blue Ball to look for the Third Reich Room.

Either way, don’t let the door hit you on your way out, my delicate teacup.

What a pathetic little fantasy. But you’re the one writing fiction here.

I think it would be difficult to find a more laughable (anti?)-heroic character than Admiral Kolchak in all twentieth century military history. His story is just so damned funny. And sad.

Oh really? Then please explain this:

Jason Smith said,

on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

“What’s wrong with being a neo-Nazi?”

Then there’s this gem:

Jason Smith said,

on February 11th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

“America is an evil country. While our brave young men were fighting in the East to stop the Asiatic hoards [sic], America bombed our civilians. There were no German soldiers left in the cities near the end of WWII. There were only babies, old people, young children, women. Yet the Americans bombed these civilians. During all this time our brave young men were fighting against Communism. America is an evil country. America fought on the side of evil during WWII. And evil won that war.”

Who’s this “our” you keep referring to – unser Volk, vielleicht?

As for JasEzrAnnie’s understanding of “very normal people” and what “reasoned” means, there’s this memorable remark:

Jason Smith said,

on May 7th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

“FYI: I do not read any of your responses. I never click on your links. I am not going to do any work for you or answer your questions for free. I don’t do that.”

In other words, “Don’t confuse me with facts. Whatever you say, I’m going to stick my fingers in my ears and go, ‘Lalalalala, I can’t hear you.’ ”

Brilliant.

By getting a reaction from people, he sees his own shadow so to speak. But this is not a true sense of self, one of mature identity. I think these expressions of ideology are not heartfelt beliefs, but merely a costume thrown over the sense of what’s missing. Annie is still only a child, really, in many regards. By playing, children learn who they are.

When you think about it, this is truly an unfortunate way to be. The comments are obnoxious, but try to remember that there is a human being behind them who is probably very unhappy. Though neurotic, the need for attention, any kind of attention, is real. Annie will be stuck in an endless loop unless he realizes this is so.

It is possible to find a way to feel like a whole person without antagonizing others, Annie.

That you have not heard of them either, consoles me somewhat in my ignorance.