on October 19th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Kiwi, though stupidity and speciousness can go together, they don’t necessarily. Rather, speciousness goes with a presumption that *other* people are stupid.”

Very true, Reynardine.

I know SPLC does really great work… but I would not be so sure that the FBI is not well aware of just how many terrorist groups are out there that want to overthrow the government and assasinate its officials.

I would also venture to guess that this site, the HateWatch and SPLC site has at least one or more dedicated agents that monitor it. People who espous hatred on public forums are none to smart. If you follow any of the political threads on Facebook, numerous people will post not only their first and last names, but photos of themselves and where they work.

I am glad that one guy mentioned above lost his job. Hopefully that is the least of his troubles, as of course he probably has kiddie porn on his computer at home… but I digress.

The jurisdictional issues between military, fed and state as far as prosecution of crimes is very complex. The JAG may be a cooperating agency working with the state that signs an MOU with the state to take the lead…

I know at my last job the state was allowed to parnter with the Army on a DoD site we worked on, simply because the federal agency did not have the staff or funding, and the state did and it was done that way for sake of expediency and efficiency.

Anyhow, with the volatile political climate in this country, expect more of the same as far as busting domestic terrorists…

First, let me welcome you to this group and express my sympathies for the plight your family is in as a result of your grandson’s behavior. This must be a painful time for you and yours.

The reason we got into the discussion about ethnicity instead of the true issue of this case is because the opening comment in this story was filed by a notorious troll on this board, who has signed here under three different names, spouting the same neo-Nazi drivel. The latest of them is “Ezra_Mead.” In his post, he quoted directly from Adolf Hitler himself, trying to separate your grandson from the “noble white race.”

This individual, Ezra/Jason/Annie, comes here on an hourly basis to spout whiny neo-Nazi and White Nationalist rhetoric, to derail the discussion and advance his cause, the worship of Adolf Hitler. Periodically, he amuses us with idiotic demands and statements. He has invaded many other discussion threads to espouse the cause of the “White Ubermensch,” while displaying his utter ignorance of anything beyond his own sense of self-importance. Unfortunately, he does succeed in one thing…he derails the discussion.

You, however, have put it back on track, and I will address that, rather than waste time and energy on a neo-Nazi flea who belongs lying in the bottom of the latrine of one of the concentration camps whose existence he denies.

So:

“Why is the FBI not taking a more proactive role? Within the last year they have convicted a minimum of two different groups for just planning terrorist activities; and their planning activities had not included murder.

Why is the Army not bringing charges against these people, could it be that their investigation has uncovered more Soldiers involved and they are still building their case? Truth is the Sr. Trial Counsel for the JA office is now in Afghanistan with the unit in which these guys were stationed. During a Conference Call last week, the JA office just spoke around the Trial Counsel’s actual reason for being there.

Why did the Army discharge an active soldier and known terrorist when he was on active duty? The Army knew of Jenderseck months before his discharge, then they discharged him.”

These are all excellent questions. As a veteran, I am appalled that members of our armed forces, who signed enlistment papers and swore oaths to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, should form into a cabal squarely aimed at overthrowing the government they are sworn to serve. The idea that troops of any rank are planning a coup d’etat or revolution goes completely against the grain and honor of our armed forces, going back to 1861.

It is also appalling that they committed horrific acts of murder, which shows they were not just spouting beer-fueled whining talk…they were serious. As I have noted in an earlier thread on this subject, they seem nihilistic — they don’t seem to have a sense of what they were for, but they knew what they were against. Theirs seems to have been the cause of anarchy — with themselves in charge of it.

It’s extremely frightening that there was no action by federal agencies and these soldiers’ chain of command against these young men. Yes, the FBI should have been involved.

I regard this incident as an extremely serious matter, which is not getting the attention it deserves, from media or law enforcement. Hopefully, it will get the attention it deserves now, that the guilty parties will be brought to justice, and the military will make efforts to cleanse itself of like-minded fantasists.

As for Ezra/Jason/Annie: So…if a black guy commits a crime, it’s proof that the entire race is evil! But if a white guy commits a crime, then he’s “not really white!” Of course!

Do you really believe that, or are you just incredibly stupid?

And when ARE you going to provide us with somewhere to send our resumes?

1. deploy easier destructible racist arguments on a website for an anti-racist organization, with the ridiculous goal of turning its readers into racists.
2. witness said racist arguments get completely annihilated.
3. have ego crushed, lash out childishly (“you’re all liars!”).
4. assist the fund-raising efforts of said anti-racist organization by providing a first-hand example of an unstable individual who actually believes that crap
5. return, repeat 1-4

What an agenda of complete stupid.

It shouldn’t be necessary to say that culpability does not depend on skin color, hair color, eye color, the index of one’s cranium, or the shape of one’s nose, but with these nose picayune types around, sometimes we can wind up chasin ‘em down garden paths.

I hope the SPLC continues to follow the actions of these criminals even after the justice system has run its course. The mere chance that one of these ‘revolutionaries’ might gain legitimacy in the future is a much too serious threat to ignore. The group responsible for the “Beer Hall Putsch” comes to mind.

I read the comments now and then. Why does everything this ‘Ezra’ character say be adequately summed up as: “Blah blah blah No TRUE Scotsman. Blah blah.” ?

Shame on those who wished to comment and debate ethnicity issues which are not part of the story.

Your continued debate shows you have little interest in this group of people who would make plans to overthrow your government and assasinate your president. People who were obviously so determined in their motives that they were willing to kill those who saw them for what they were and tried to distance themselves.

The Real Questions we should be debating:

Why is the FBI not taking a more proactive role? Within the last year they have convicted a minimum of two different groups for just planning terrorist activities; and their planning activities had not included murder.

Why is the Army not bringing charges against these people, could it be that their investigation has uncovered more Soldiers involved and they are still building their case? Truth is the Sr. Trial Counsel for the JA office is now in Afghanistan with the unit in which these guys were stationed. During a Conference Call last week, the JA office just spoke around the Trial Counsel’s actual reason for being there.

Why did the Army discharge an active soldier and known terrorist when he was on active duty? The Army knew of Jenderseck months before his discharge, then they discharged him.

The answers for those who are interested:

“There yet could be more indictments,” Pauley said.

Tall like Goebbels
Blond like Hitler
Slim like Göring
Shapely like Himmler.

If he’s a committee, they all do.

As for Slovaks, since that Father Tiso business, I’m not sure decent Slavs should speak to them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....67727.html

I’m willing to bet a fair sum of money that Ezra looks just about as ‘Aryan’ as one A. Shickelgruber did.

“ ‘The Poles,’ Rosenberg recalled him [Hitler] saying: ‘a thin Germanic layer, below that dreadful material. The Jews, the most horrible thing imaginable. … Above all: if Poland had ruled for a few decades over the old parts of the Reich, everything would be lice-ridden (verlaust) and decayed.’” – Ian Kershaw, “Hitler, 1936-45: Nemesis”

Something der Fuehrer (and JasEzrAnnie) seem to overlook is the fact that the original Prussians were Slavs and that the Teutonic Knights (a very dodgy bunch of mercenaries cloaked in religious garb) were aided in their subjugation of Prussia by, guess who, the Poles. The Teutonic Knights were of course the inspiration for the SS and probably (if indirectly) for this malicious and “bizarrely grandiose” (nice phrase) bunch of thugs.

More to the point, judging Jenderseck by his appearance or ancestry is BS from the beginning. What matters most is what’s inside. From his own testimony, that seems mainly to be cowardice.

Jenderseck isn’t Polish, you ignorant drooling moron. Funny how White Nationalists claim they include all “white, European” people, except when one of them screws up. Then the ghost of Alfred Rosenberg appears.

Certain parties here should also note how quick these white supremacist and antigovernment nutcases are to turn on each other: in this case they murdered two people and then immediately started to snitch on each other to get a deal once they get caught. In seems that this FEAR militia had way more to fear from each other than anyone else.

This was a inferior act of cowardness and hate. They lost their rights to be defended when they took life into their own means that esroyed two families that will take years to recover. What do you say to a soldier that willingly uses excuses to commit a haneous crime without reason? What did two young people do to them? Who are these soldiers that wear our uniform? Courtmarshalls willnot be enough.

Our condolences for the families that lost their children. My sympathy for the parents that will loose their sons. Nobody is a winner!

Clearly, this does not represent the ideal human form. He is perhaps, a deviant. The name “Jenderseck” indicates possible Slavic origin. He’s probably just some old Polock. Among the Poles there is only a thin Germanic layer. But underneath there is rotting flesh.