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AFA’s Bryan Fischer Takes Knockout Punch on CNN

By Don Terry on October 16, 2012 - 4:42 pm, Posted in Anti-LGBT, Christian Right, Extremist Propaganda, Hate Groups

Bryan Fischer, the gay-bashing, truth-challenged spokesman for the American Family Association, went one rant too far Tuesday for CNN anchor Carol Costello.

“And we know from the CDC and from the FDA, not part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, that homosexual behavior,” Fischer gushed excitedly, “has the same health risks associated with …”

“That’s just not true,” Costello said, cutting him off before he could insert his foot any further in his mouth. “I’m going to end this interview now, sir. I’m sorry because that’s just not true.”

The interview was about the AFA’s laughable attempt to portray the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Mix It Up At Lunch Day program – in which students are simply asked to sit with someone new in the lunchroom – as part of a sinister plot to indoctrinate children into the “homosexual lifestyle.”

Earlier this month, the far-right AFA urged its supporters – it claims 2 million online activists – to call their local schools and harass them into dropping out of Mix It Up Day, which falls on Oct. 30 this year. So far, about 200 schools have canceled, but more than 2,500 are going forward and more are signing up every day.

Launched 11 years ago by the SPLC, Mix It Up is seen by many educators as a way to break down social barriers that can lead to bullying. The SPLC serves as a clearinghouse and provides ideas and free resources, but each school tailors the event to its own needs.

But to Fischer, who sees the “homosexual agenda” lurking behind every bush, Mix It Up is nothing less than an effort by the “fanatical pro-homosexual” SPLC  to “bully-push its gay agenda.”

On Monday night, Stephen Colbert and his audience had more than a few laughs at the AFA’s expense.

“Don’t fall for it kids,” Colbert said, looking directly into the camera. “It’s a devious plot. Get kids to learn that despite our outward differences in our hearts we’re all pretty much the same.’’

Laughed at one minute, hung up on the next. It’s been that kind of 24 hours for Fischer and the AFA, which SPLC added to its list of hate groups in 2010.

But it took the veteran journalist Costello quite a while to lose her patience.

“Mix It Up At Lunch appears to be a lesson in intolerance,” she said to Fischer as the interview began. “As a religious leader, what’s wrong with that?”

“Parents need to understand about this program,” he said, ignoring her question, “it’s a thinly veiled attempt to push the normalization of homosexual behavior in public schools. And eventually punish students who would express a Judeo-Christian view of sexuality.

“So it appears to be innocent and innocuous on the surface, but the hidden agenda if you look at the website,, is primarily about pushing  homosexual orientation and acceptance of alternative behavior – sexual behavior.’’

But Costello did something that it appears Fischer did not. She actually visited the website.

She told Fischer “it urges students to move out of their comfort zone, saying connect with someone new over lunch. There is absolutely no mention of homosexuality at all and this program has been going for 11 years.”

Straining for a metaphor that would make some sense, Fischer tried to capitalize on the date of Mix It Up, noting that it falls this year on the eve of Halloween. The program, he said, is “like poisoned Halloween candy. Somebody takes a candy bar, injects it with cyanide, the label looks fine. It looks innocuous, it looks fine. It’s not until you internalize it that you realize how toxic it is.”

Costello asked Fischer if the attack on Mix It Up was motivated by the fact that SPLC has listed the AFA as a hate group. He did not answer directly and instead accused the SPLC of being a bully, trying “to silence Christian students who take a conservative view of human sexuality …”

At one point, she read a statement Fischer made during a radio broadcast in 2010. “You have said, “Hitler recruited homosexuals around him to make up his storm troopers. They were his enforcers. They were his thugs. Hitler discovered he could not get straight soldiers to be savage and brutal and vicious enough to carry out his orders but that homosexual soldiers had no limit to the savagery and brutality they were willing to inflict on whoever Hitler sent them after.”

She added that “by many people’s standards, this would be hate speech.”

A few moments later, she ended the interview.

“Mr. Fischer,” she said, “thanks for sharing your views. I guess.”

  • Erika

    a lot is going on in Virginia, most of which as you can imagine are bad.

    But don’t worry, no problems with the state bar or courts – my naughtiness is on a personal rather than professional level.

    Any more i obviously cannot say :)

  • Reynardine

    Erika, what the Hell is going on in your state and your circuit? Or is this the doing of the Virginia Bar Disciplinary Committee?

  • Erika

    Any censorship notion would be due to preventing illness rather than excitement given that no one really wants to compleplate the underwear of Bryan Fischer.

    But i do wonder what the deal with the magic underwear of the Mormons. i’m obviously not very well informed about the Mormon cult because until Mitt Romney came along i had never heard of it – and at first, i actually thought it was a joke. Does it ward off evil spirts? Perhaps it is a chasity belt? Maybe it delivers electric shocks if too much stimulation is present? Does it have any relationship to those bras which are marketed as “Miracles?” So many possibilities here.

    And between her discussion of corporal punishment in schools on the Hal Turner thread and introducing the topic of Bryan Fischer’s underwear here i nominate aadila for the the Platium Paddle Award for outstanding achievement in assuring that only deserving targets are struck.

    (unless she would prefer the alternative prize of the Bruised Peach Bottom Award for Naughty Attorneys but it was kind of designed with me in mind)

  • Reynardine

    It strikes me, ladies, that we’ve been getting into men’s pants a lot today.*

    *Peace, Hays Office. After all, in about ten days, I’m going to be LXIX.

  • Reynardine

    Read: “magic”. Rather in pain today.

  • Reynardine

    Oh, I’m Captain Jinx of the Horse Marines
    And when I speak, I’m full of beans
    I’ve been that way since in my teens-
    It kept me out of the Army!
    I teach my horses how to dance
    How to dance, how to dance
    And I wear megic underpants
    They kept me out of the Army!

  • CoralSea

    aadila — that is because there simply are some things that just scream out for sarcasm — and the Universe will give you a Mulligan….

    ….Kind of like seeing the wonderful irony in the crash of the Hindenburg-Romney Blimp — and then having Pres. Obama handing him his hat during the debate about how his thinking is still stuck back in the horses and bayonets era.

    You know — kind of like that, when your antiquated airship blazened with your painfully grinning visage goes splat in a field. Obviously, the Universe has spoken — and it’s okay to laugh, since no one was hurt. (Still wonder if maybe it wasn’t a wind problem so much as the blimp’s skin being pierced by one of those newfangled bayonets).

  • aadila

    Even though I have given this entire thread the moral and metaphysical equivalent of a red eye, I should feel guilty about it and I don’t.

  • CoralSea

    Stop!!!! My vision is fading….It’s fading….

    AH! I can’t see the keyboard!!!…..

  • Reynardine

    And they’re silk.

  • aadila

    He’s as straight as uncooked linguine. He just wants to wear pink bikini briefs for a while.

  • CoralSea

    Ahhhh! My vision has recovered!

    Thank you, aadila, for the laugh of the month and a horror to eclipse anything one might see on Halloween!

  • Erika

    aadila, there should be a Chick Tract warning about the dangers of homophobes in pink underwear :)

  • Erika

    aadila, since you made me think of the extraordinarily unpleasant topic of Mr. Fischer’s underwear, my guess is white briefs with a pink swastika pattern.

  • aadila

    That’s right! I realize this was a very severe thing to say on my part, and I apologize for burning your retinas so to speak with such vile imagery.

    But it was necessary….there was no other way.

    As you can see, today Fisher is wearing blue as he discusses his exalted prophet status as the messenger of God. He can’t help but to peek here at what we are saying, you see. All true prophets have bloated egos, that’s why the become exalted and gain the right to impose their morality on others.

    But I bet his skivvies are pink!

  • CoralSea

    aadila! OMG! Even suggesting that Bryan Fischer would go command…. No. I can’t say it! And just thinking such a thought, thinking about him, ah, WITHOUT….

    Oh No! My vision is fading! MY VISION IS FADING!

    Where is my keyboard?

    I can still see images in my mind!

  • Reynardine

    Aadila, that’s disgusting.

  • aadila

    Erika, if Fisher’s underwear is pink, it would really tell the full story. And whether they are “boxers or briefs” would also be useful toward shaping a conclusive opinion to stand against any fact. I already respect Ms. Costello and CNN but I think she should have asked the really important questions about his preferences. You know…I just thought of something. Do you suppose he goes “commando”?

  • Erika

    aadila, don’t you know that God told him to wear pink? :)

  • Reynardine

    Well, Ruslan, and then there was the part where Polish and Czech children who were tall, blond, shapely, and looked “Teutonic” rather than “Slavic” were to be kidnapped, parcelled out to childless German families, Germanized, and then used to breed more tall, blond children with “Teutonic” features.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ““Nothing would be a worse mistake on our part than to seek to educate the masses there. It is to our interest that the people should know just enough to recognize the signs on the roads. At present they can’t read, and they ought to stay like that.” July 27, 1941…his private conversation.

    For Poland, his plan was as follows: Polish children were not to be taught to read or write. They would learn to count to a maximum of 500, write their names and “that it is God’s command that he should be obedient to Germans, honorable, industrious, and brave.” Blitzkrieg, by Len Deighton.”

    Yup, there goes the champion of the “white race.” It’s sad how there are actually people in Poland today who think this was preferable to Communism.

  • aadila

    Bryan Fisher: “It is simply a true fact that homosexual behavior is immoral. ”

    You see? He has a hard time telling the difference between a fact and an opinion. That’s like me saying it’s a fact he’s gay because his shirt’s pink.

  • David29073

    So Fisher has this to say about his treatment on CNN, read it with a grain of “poisoned candy”(sic). Just between you and me, I think this guy could trace his family linage back to Judas.
    Here’s the Link from Right Wing Watch (Which I highly recommend) Enjoy!

  • Reynardine

    Exactly why, Sam, do you feel a need to call us dogs and throw rocks at us?

  • aadila

    “As far as overeducated pinheads go, I did not say anyone here is. Throw a rock at a pack of dogs, and the one that yelps got hit.”

    I’m sorry, Sam.

    That is not the way everyone wins soccer.

  • aadila

    Don’t miss this, if you haven’t seen it…the video was from about a month ago but just posted to Gawker.

    A pastor at a City Council hearing makes a fiery speech against gay rights then reveals interrupts it to reveal it was based on speeches against racial integration from the fifties and sixties, just swapping the term race for gay. Very much worth the watch and very much what we’ve been saying all along…:

  • Kiwiwriter

    “NWO Slave: Again I ask, how could the removal of all political leanings be objectionable? In math 1=1+2.”

    Only if your math textbook is “1984,” by George Orwell.

    You know, NWO Slave, that theory on education reminds me of Adolf Hitler’s plans for how the conquered Slavs would be treated under the Third Reich, viz.:

    “Nothing would be a worse mistake on our part than to seek to educate the masses there. It is to our interest that the people should know just enough to recognize the signs on the roads. At present they can’t read, and they ought to stay like that.” July 27, 1941…his private conversation.

    For Poland, his plan was as follows: Polish children were not to be taught to read or write. They would learn to count to a maximum of 500, write their names and “that it is God’s command that he should be obedient to Germans, honorable, industrious, and brave.” Blitzkrieg, by Len Deighton.

  • Godlesspanther

    I had never heard of Carol Costello until this.

    I will have to pay her more attention henceforth. She has certainly won many points with me.

  • Sam Molloy

    NWO, the math and chemistry can be divorced from spin, but history is very important and also very malleable. The facts of the Shootout at the OK Corral are indisputable. “A” fired a “B” type bullet and it hit “C”, etc. Who was a good guy, who were the bad guys, and whether or not to mention it at all are all up for grabs. As far as overeducated pinheads go, I did not say anyone here is. Throw a rock at a pack of dogs, and the one that yelps got hit. You can name yourselves anything you choose.

  • Jim Staples

    I grew up in USAF Housing – THE ‘Lab Maze’ upon which was done, from 1948-63, the sociological research that went into the crafting of the doctrines outlined in the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and, you know what, every single freaking time we moved – often, after only two years – and I had to “move out of my comfort zone”, and “into a whole new zone, filled with a whole new group of people”, I GREW for having had the EXPERIENCE OF IT!!!
    This guys reactions remind me of those that some of those who I ran into in a certain small town, after my Dad finally retired, and we ‘settled there’, had…..They seemed to “HATE” their Troopps CHILDREN!
    They FEARED the UNKNOWN – and RESENTED anyone who was perceived to be “braver” than them; they were going to, “Smash my souveniers from Berlin, if I ever brought anything like them to show n tell again”, after five of em jumped me! .
    Real Men, they were…….(Gag, Puke)

  • CM

    NWO said:

    “In math 1=1+2.”

    Not in any math I’m familiar with.

    But seriously, Sam is right for once. The “dominant paradigm” is for schools to provide the business world with perfectly machined cogs to plug right into their economic engines. In other words, they’re already only teaching “skills” and steadily disappearing the humanities and social sciences. Those subjects by nature require learning about the kinds of things people have believed and said in the past, and how to make judgments about them, even judgments that go against the prevailing world-picture.

    Your position is sort of like telling kids to draw pictures but then not letting them look at anything but blank paper.

  • aadila

    NWO slave the difference I suppose is that you are not used to the idea that everyone wins soccer. Although it might seem strange at first, for someone who has no familiarity of the concept, like taking baths, after a while the idea starts to make sense. This is called becoming more civilized.

  • Aron


    It also removes even one child’s chances of growing as a person. You are preaching the creation of unthinking, unfeeling drones.

    And I find it morally reprehensible.

  • NWOslave

    @Sam Molloy
    “NWOslave, that is an impossible goal. Any attempt at moral neutrality supports the dominant paradigm.”

    By removing all social studies/humanities and only teaching math, reading, writing, sciences such as chemistry, computer programming, art, music and various sports and shop classes. this would precisely remove all dominant paradigms.

    Again I ask, how could the removal of all political leanings be objectionable? In math 1=1+2. In reading and writing the letter “A” makes the AAAAAA sound. In chemistry H2O means two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Music is different notes. In carpentry you might make a bird house. In tennis 2 or 4 people hit a ball over a net into a defined area.

    Since it is impossible for any of these thing to have a political leaning no one can object. If only these types of subjects are ever taught by public schools, how could anyone ever object? The very nature of these subjects removes the possibilty of even one person objecting.

  • Aron

    Ruslan, I have. And the results weren’t pretty. The Bircher was lucky I considered him my friend, or I would have simply laughed in his face.

    He was just nucking futs.

  • Lenne

    The basis of this idiot’s argument seems to be that Mix It Up will be talking to conservative Christian students and convincing them to become homosexuals.

    My question to Mr. Fischer is: In the same context, Christian students would be free to preach to gay students and try to convince them to become straight Christians…unless he believes that being gay is really NOT a choice but how you are born, which sort of blows his whole argument out of the water.

  • Lenne

    The basis of this idiot’s argument against Mix It Up is that a gay student might end up talking to a conservative Christian student and convince him/her to become homosexual.

    My question to Mr. Fischer is: In the same context, Christian students would be free to preach to gay students and try to convince them to become straight Christians…unless he believes that being gay is really NOT a choice but how you are born, which sort of blows his whole argument out of the water.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Try telling a Bircher that they don’t understand how the UN works(or doesn’t work), or that other countries aren’t socialist hellholes.

  • Gregory

    That last line of sarcasm should read intolerance, not intolerable. Very clearly my spellchecker is of the inferior pagan earthworshipping collectivist type.

  • Gregory

    Sam sez “I find even the craziest John Birchers are more tolerant of differing opinions than those overeducated pinheads who call themselves Liberals.”

    Even the craziest Bircher? Really? I didn’t realize there was any other kind, but I think I see your point. When not saving the world from the United Nations, the JBS is often in the forefront of civil rights issues like marriage equality.

    I find it hard to believe that you are wasting your time with the bigots here in this veritable cesspool of intolerable.

  • aadila

    NAFTA refugee, I think the issue is that heterosexuality should not be compulsory.

  • aadila

    Sam, darling, if ecology is a new word, it is not a new concept. For most of human history we have lived in harmony with our environment because we needed to in order to survive the changing of the seasons and various hostile forces of our world (seasons, rainfall, natural hazards, wild beasts). Only in more recent times has our civilization grown with an order that destabilizes the natural order of our planet. So there is nothing surprising nor unusual about new concepts that point to the truth that our conduct on the planet has repercussions for the natural order. We need to leave a lighter footprint, consume less, and live more sensibly. Unfortunately that means in many cases giving up stuff we think we have a “right” to in order for the species to survive…and requires living less selfishly. How is this possible except through education?

  • Aron

    So now we’re over-educated pinheads, Sam?

    Well, considering how many times we’ve smacked down your silly anarcho-capitalist ideas in the past, I personally think YOU are either UNDER-educated or OVERLY cocksure (no pun intended) of himself.

    Go have fun with the other Log Cabiners and GOProuders. We all know how much the Republican establishment loves you…

  • CoralSea

    Sam Molloy —

    While I agree that ecology and other discussion of the intricacies of environmental issues often leave something to be desired in elementary and high school (and in some college courses I’ve seen), ecology isn’t a pseudoscience, and I don’t really understand why you would think that it is.

    As an environmental consultant, I can tell you that in order for people to understand the impact of various activities (human and naturally occurring, such as volcanic eruptions), it is necessary that they have at least rudimentary knowledge of ecological cycles.

  • supersonic250

    Ohhhhhh, man, so many idiots and so little time… Who to smack first… I’m spoiled for choice! Let’s start with Sam Malloy, since he’s the first one who REALLY made me angry.

    First off… Ecology isn’t a science, but it’s an important CONCEPT. Without it, our planet is in deep trouble. Frankly, there aren’t enough resources to sustain the population we have NOW for long, so it’s incredibly important to learn how to stretch them and replenish them to sustain the world’s health. It’s not about “austerity and money…” It’s about survival!

    SECOND, NAFTA Refugee. No. Just NO. There IS no “gay agenda” because homosexuals aren’t a hive mind. They don’t all agree on everything, and therefore can’t have some sort of plan to normalize pedophilia and all the crap that people claim they do.

    As for your LAST comment, you show what an enormous moron you are by saying crap like that. It’s the same as Ezra trying to claim that White Pride is a legitimate and non-racist thing to say. Heterosexuality is considered NORMAL in society (and that in and of itself is WRONG), and that makes it mundane. Therefore it deserves no special appreciation. Homosexuality is considered deviant and NOT normal, and has extreme prejudice against it. Because of that, it is important to focus on it to dispel myths and show that homosexuality IS normal.

    And I’d appreciate it if both of you would go smack yourselves around now, since I’m not there to do it to you.

  • Sam Molloy

    I assume the gay Amish simply leave the group. There is an Ambient Straightness in every aspect of everyday life that is not apparent unless you don’t fit the mold. The move toward personal responsibility and liberty and away from the absolute power of Crown and Church, roughly from the Magna Carta to generally the time of the French Revolution and our Revolutionary war was called “liberalism” at the time. Now it’s called “Classical Liberalism”, and what we got now can be referred lto as “welfare liberalism”. There are plenty of Gay people who self identify as Conservative. I find even the craziest John Birchers are more tolerant of differing opinions than those overeducated pinheads who call themselves Liberals.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Well NAFTA Refugee, why don’t you tell us what the “gay agenda” is? To be treated like human beings? How sinister!

    And while the Amish don’t accept the gay “lifestyle”(your term), they also don’t attempt to change the laws of the country to restrict the rights of gays or spread lies about them.

    The “straight lifestyle”(I didn’t know that it was a lifestyle) is plenty celebrated.

  • NAFTA Refugee

    “There is no one more close minded than the open minded liberal. ” Author unknown

    When someone tells me they are uncomfortable with the “gay agenda” I take their word for it. The point being, they’re uncomfortable. Calling them names, like homophobe, doesn’t help the situation. It only polarizes it.

    Last I checked the Ahmish don’t accept the gay lifestyle and I don’t witness them receiving the intellectual tongue lashing that I see here.

    As we are tasked to recognize diversity in all it’s forms can we not recognize and appreciate the straight lifestyle as well?

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    What I find most funny about Ezra is that he/she/it seems to be here in an attempt to win converts to the WN side from the gallery. I know how WNs think and he/she/it probably subscribes to this internal monologue which goes like this: “I’ll use my common sense arguments I learned on Stormfront on this blog and then other whites will see how the anti-racists can’t answer my claims!!! HA HA HA!”

    In reality, the claims get easily smacked down every time with facts, demonstrating that WNs in fact can’t hold a debate in forums they don’t control.

    To be honest, Ezra isn’t even close to the most challenging WN I’ve ever debated(not that he was too difficult, he just liked to pretend to be an amateur geneticist, throwing around scientific terminology in hopes that nobody would call him on his BS).

  • Roger B.

    Like the saying goes”you can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. That is an impossible feat to accomplish so It must be excruciating to work that hard trying to convince the world of something as idiotic as the AFA attempts to do. I’m glad they got a smack down that one more time shows just how foolish they actually are.
    I’m also curious if Wentra is just another one of Ezras personalities. I get a kick out of people that say i’m not crazy, it’s the rest of the world. that statement is a pretty good indication of mental illness and delusional thinking.