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Radical Right Joins in Secession Frenzy

By Mark Potok on November 14, 2012 - 2:09 pm, Posted in Antigovernment, Extremist Propaganda, White Nationalism

Hundreds of thousands of disgruntled conservatives, still smarting from the re-election of President Obama last week, are signing petitions to allow more than 30 states to secede from the United States — and they are being joined by a motley collection of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and Klan sympathizers.

As of midday today, eight of the petitions, which are being posted on a government website set up to encourage citizen participation, have crossed the threshold of 25,000 signatures required to prompt a guaranteed official reply from the White House. (The states are Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, the state with the most signers.) But the petitions carry no legal weight at all, and almost no one anywhere on the political spectrum expects them to result in anything more than a collective blowing off of right-wing steam.

Still, that hasn’t stopped the denizens of Stormfront, a huge white nationalist Web forum run by a former Alabama Klan leader, from enthusiastically embracing the cause. Starting last Saturday, a large number of comment threads began appearing on the site that encouraged the radical right to join in on the fun.

Of course, the discourse on the forum has that special Stormfront kind of feel — which is to say, the underlying concern of most participants there is how to create a country, or perhaps countries, that is all, or at least mostly, white.

“We would be better off using all of our strength to secede 80% white states,” wrote “MattwhiteAmerica” in one of more than a dozen threads discussing secession. “A state like Texas, LA, MISS, AL, CA etc are going to need a good old fashion [sic] war to remove the non-whites. …  I’m saying this as most non-whites are socialists and takers. We won’t get a good constitution without a solid white majority.”

“We need to form a WHITE republic,” MattwhiteAmerica added a little later. “One that is for whites by whites!”

Responded “Buffalo”: “I have a feeling a lot if not most of the coloreds would be more than willing to leave a state that actually seceded. I have a feeling they would be smart enough to know that it would be either leave on your own or your [sic] going to be removed by whatever means needed.”

One unexpected dissent came from “Britannic Nationalist,” a foreigner. “Either you’re a country or you’re not,” the poster wrote. “Either all the States should be completely independent, or they should all be a single country. … Will what is now the USA just turn into a land mass of warring factions, states and peoples?”

Most of those posting at Stormfront seemed to realize that they were engaging in a pipe dream. But a few had definite hopes. “Once the cumulative secession petition count exceeds one million then Obama will be very worried,” wrote “Disappointed American.” “One million pissed off armed Americans, coupled with the [antigovernment group] Oathkeepers 3%, can defeat the military. At 2 million signatures, it’s basically a certainty at least one state will secede.”

Well, maybe. Of course, if that’s true, it’s just as likely that some of the other petitions at the government’s We the People website will eventually win their causes, too — causes like “Not Allow The FDA To Regulate Premium Cigars,” “outlaw offending prophets of major religions,” “Restore Fairness And Objectivity To Our Media,” and even “Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas & remain part of the United States.”

And then there were two direct responses to the secession petitions: “Force all states to pay their portion of the national debt before they can secede from the union” and “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.” Which is just the kind of thing Stormfronters might actually like.

  • Erika

    Brock, the best evidence for what was decided at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 comes from the actual text of the Constitution. And quite simply, the Federalist’s position won in that the Constitution was styled as an agreement of the people and the government of the United States of America was made supreme (in the Supremacy Clause, Article VI, Clause 2 – and Article VI, Clause 3 which requires all state officials to take an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution also compltely destroys it).

    Quite simply, if the federal government was a weak allignment of states, those clauses would not have been added. i’m also pretty sure that Article I, Section 8 would be much shorter :)

    As far as the Bill of Rights, actually try reading them to see who the Bill of Rights protects – hint, its not the state. Its the people who are the people who the Constitution was an agreement of. Only the “reserved powers” clause of the Tenth Amendment mentions states at all and even that says “reserved to the states respectively, or to the people” which places the people as the ultimate sovereign power

    In any case, the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment following the Civil War absolutely ended any doubt that the Constitution places the people as the sovereign.

    You are also simply clueless in that the primary defense against tyranny in the Constitution (and state constitutions from the period) was placed in separation of powers and checks and balances. The second check was the Bill of Rights – however, you are wrong and in fact totally nuts if you think that hte Bill of Rights was designed to protect states. It was designed to protect people. That reflects the period state Constitutions such as Virginia.

    The fact is that the document created at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 is remarkable in that a document crafted for a purely agricultural country (the industrial revolution was just beginning in England in 1787 – industrialization in New England didn’t really start until around 1830 or so and heavy industrialization really only occurred after the Civil War) has survived essentially intact.

    That is because of a combination – first, the federal government was given what have turned out to be very large powers. No one could have possibly anticipated how big interstate and international power would have become one transportation and comunications improvements made international travel, business, and movement of goods easy. However, even Justice Clarence Thomas who even Antonin Scalia thinks is a radical nutcase about the Interstate Commerce clause admits that the Commerce clause gives extraordinarily large power to the federal government. It is also undisputable that the Constitution intends that the federal government have that power.

    The second is that the focus on the Constiutution is a rights focus and the Constitution created a workable government. The fact is that in a country of 312,000,0000 people (Approximately) there might be a few unsatisfied people – such as the modern neo-confederates who want to leave – however, that is a very small number. Most people whether conservative, liberal, or moderate are very happy with the system. What fights there are are fights within the Constitutional system. Even modern “state’s rights” people often acknowledge the obvious – thus, a person who argues that states should be able to legalize marijuana will point out that its obvious that the federal government can make marijuna illegal under federal law, they just think it is not a prudent policy.

    That is the same type of disagreement within the margins of our Constitutional system that people have had since 1787 – that still does not ignore the fact that the Federalists won. Try actually reading the Constiuttion and Amendments and that becomes clear.

  • Aron

    Brock,

    For the love of all that is holy, please use paragraph breaks. Aside from the fact that you are longing for an America that ceased to exist after the Articles of Confederation were replaced, your writing is entirely unreadable.

    And you are NOWHERE near as smart as you think you are.

  • Brock Henderson

    “Thus, the Constitution is not and never has been a union of states – instead, it was specifically designed to be a union of people. The people are sovereign under our federal system and the sovereignity clause clearly places the federal government above the states. That is because the federal government was supposed to represent all of the people of the United States.

    As such, states do not have the right to secede because this was never an agreement of states.”

    Just so that you know, Infantryman, all the above totalitarian and collectivist memes emanating from our cute little propagandist friend Erika were thoroughly refuted by the majority of the parties who ratified the Constitution of the United States. The Debates on the Constitution state plainly that it was the Anti-Federalists who prevailed in their quest to stymie the potential for unlimited totalitarian power centered in the new government. Besides, only the few most radical big-government Federalist Party members at the Convention shared Erika’s desires to wield unlimited Napoleonic power over the American people, thus destroying the States. That being said, it’s Question Time, Erika-dear! Why would a handful of states fight a war to throw off the chains and shackles of an imperial mother country, whose purpose was to gain INDEPENDENCE from said country, and then turn right back around and agree to the full surrender of their freedom to a new government to be shared in one big collective mass with all of their fellow states? Keep in mind this includes the industrialized manufacturing empire of the New England states, full of Anglo-Saxon Puritans, on one extreme end of the cultural spectrum, and the Anglo-Celtic and Scots-Irish cotton-and-tobacco Anglican and Presbyterian kingdom south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Most of the people of those respective regions had never even met each other. All of the states had constitutional republican governments in the summer of 1787. It was each individual state legislature which duly and freely ratified the Constitution of their own consent, without direct intervention by any outside parties. Where’s the big polyglot mass-union of stateless people, from Massaginialinayorksylvania, you know, inherent in THAT process? The Anti-Federalist parties responsible for ratification made it explicitly clear that they would never give up all they had just worked so hard for several years previously and just throw their sovereignty into the fire of a Federalist Party Constitution, and they stated that they, the representatives of their independent STATES, were retaining all powers for themselves as the mostly independent states they were, which they did not consensually give to the new federal government. As such, there were these last 2 amendments which created the finale of the Constitution and Bill of Rights package, Numbers IX and X. Sorry, my dear Erika, the Debates on the Constitution are on the public library shelves, where anybody can read the info you don’t want us to know, and we can find out the truth about the American system of government. Only a government created exclusively by the Federalist Parrty and thus devoid of a Bill of Rights, would fall under the silly description you gave.

  • Reynardine

    Textynn, I think you are taking out your wrath in the wrong quarter and allying yourself with some of the wrong people.

  • Textynn

    The secessionist movement is about protesting a Vichy Goldman Sachs Government. The NWO aka IMF, Wall Street, War Profiteers who are dominating the globe. A two party system that represents no one but the One percent. No one gives a rat’s ass that Obama won, they care that none of us on either side of the real debate got a real choice of any representation and end to the takeover of this country by the richest few on the planet.

    Thanks for shoving out the Divide and Conquer Rhetoric that keeps the ‘” neo nazis” running the show. WTF

  • John

    not shocking at all. but interesting considering the pains many texas nationalists have taken to distance themsevles from the impossible-to-avoid connections to the first time they tried this. but so far has anyone uncovered clear connections between texas nationalists and klan/WN/WP organizations? basically, are there any obivous steve smith’s in this group?

  • Reynardine

    Mitch, no. We don’t want our potatoes crawling with biggots.

  • CM

    “Mitch,”

    “… all the radical Leftists that don’t want Big Bad Biggots in dey towns.”

    1. Learn to spell. There’s only one G in bigot.

    2. What is this “dey” thing? If you’re mocking someone else’s ungrammatical speech or slang, you really need to make sure your own speech is above reproach (see No. 1).

    3. Do you really mean to say that only “radical Leftists” oppose bigotry? If so, it would seem to imply that you believe bigotry is good, which in turn must imply that you don’t know what the word means. Let me help you:

    “Bigot – a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.” (Merriam-Webster)

    Who – left, right or indifferent – could find anything to like about that?

  • Mitch

    The SPLC should support White separatists, neo-Nazis and Klan-sympathizers moving to the hills of Idaho. Not that much of a threat there. :) Win win for both the WN’s and the SPLC, and all the radical Leftists that don’t want Big Bad Biggots in dey towns. Far more logical than the whole moon business. lol.

  • aadila

    As an annex to Gregory’s good counsels, Infantryman needs to look at Article Three, Section Three of the Constitution, assuming he has not already used the document to line his birdcage.

    Nota bene, the word “infantry” derives from the roots “not speaking”. Let’s make good on the promise and spare us the weasel words, shall we?

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Reparations for 500 yrs of slavery? Lolol why not get paid for the suffering your relatives are enduring now bc they enslaved each other in africa now as we speak. They are black so ty hey aint gotta pay right?”

    1. Blacks in America and black people in Africa are not the same, in the same way you are not European.

    2. Whatever happened or happens in Africa has nothing to do with the issue of reparations. Reparations are paid because one party profited from the unpaid labor of another. Africa did not benefit from the slave trade; in fact it was detrimental to Africans.

  • Gregory

    @ Infantryman,
    The Constitution provides a mechanism for the admission of new states but does not provide, or even mention, a process for leaving the Union. I refer you to Article Four, Section Three.

  • Reynardine

    A variation on the original Awards, Erika: you get the Gold Lorgnette for your high-class reading of the Riot Act for various and sundry.

  • Erika

    Infantryman, please read the first line of the Constitution “We the People of the United States of America in order to establish a more perfect union . . . .”

    What does that mean? If you actually paid attention in history class in school, you’d know that the Constitution was created in response to the failure of the Articles of Confederation (first line “We the States of the United States of America”) which was essentially a combination of indepedent states.

    Thus, the Constitution is not and never has been a union of states – instead, it was specifically designed to be a union of people. The people are sovereign under our federal system and the sovereignity clause clearly places the federal government above the states. That is because the federal government was supposed to represent all of the people of the United States.

    As such, states do not have the right to secede because this was never an agreement of states. You, however, are free to move someplace else and renounce your American citizenship. A tip, sweetie, you better make sure that some other country will actually accept you first. Its always been perfectly legal for individual people to leave the U.S. – what is not legal is for you to leave the U.S. and keep the benefits of being an American including a claim to ownership of this particular portion of the North American landmass. If you are going to secede from the U.S. that means that you have to move to some other country who is willing to take you first.

  • Reynardine

    Infantryman? My co-author was in the infantry when he had a blast concussion from a grenade, and he makes MUCH more sense than you.

  • Erika

    “James,” my adorable Hostess (oopsie, another causulty of vulture capitalism) Cupcake, in a truly “free market” system you have a small handful of ultra rich people who own everything and everyone else is essentially a serf. What you would have is exactly what the U.S. had before the U.S. really got serious in enforcing the Sherman Act around 1905 or so and then after a conservative Supreme Court effectively amended the Sherman Act in the Standard Oil case in 1911 then passed the Clayton Act. That is to say that if you think Wal-Mart is pervasive and invasive in its influence over American society now, imagine if there was no Target or K-Mart (that’s actually not too difficult now) and forget about grocery stores and small businesses – to compete with them. And freed from competition the Waltons could charge you for whatever they want for the rancid meat (no government meat inspection after all) they sell to you.

    Imagine if you want to buy a car and all that are available are Model T’s because Ford never had to improve to compete with other carmakers – and you had to pay whatever the current Ford family wanted to charge. And to fill up your Model T, you had to go to Standard Oil and had to pay whatever price the Rockefellers wanted to charge. And forget about computers – they wouldn’t exist without massive government spending. Maybe you would have the radio to listen to for entertainment – if you could find a signal since there would be no government division of broadcast signals. Of course, the corporate interests who own the radio signals would tell you what to think (um, actually that is pretty close to what goes on now since the FCC got rid of the Fairness Doctrine). Then you could go to your job – perhaps as a coal miner, maybe being a railroad brakeman (a job that was so dangerous in the 19th Century that courts including the United States Supreme Court held that merely taking it qualified as assumption of the risk and contributory negligence baring recovery when you were inevitably killed or maimed), maybe working in the engine room of an ocean liner (you think that airplanes and capable of traveling across an ocean would exist without government spending?), or working 14 hours a day 6 days a weak in a hot factory surrounded by dangerous machinery which could chop you to bits for 15 cents an hour (maybe by now, they’d be up to a dollar). Whatever job you take it will be unpleasant, dangerous, and pay next to nothing (for women, by the way, prostituion or housekeeping for a rich family would be the only available jobs after your husband got sliced to bits in an industrial accident (and no pensions, workers comp, and definitely no Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid)).

    That is what a truly free market system looks like.

    If you think that wealth is unbalanced now, put in a truly free market system. Of course, no one (least of all the capitalists who know that for most of them their gig would be up) really wants a truly free market system. Quite simply, a truly free market system would destroy itself through massive monopolies which control everything and result in stagnation of technology and massive suffering of the exploited which eventually would result in revolution (study the history of the labor movement and you see that gains in labor only occurred because the ultra rich got so scared of a Communist revolution that they threw the workers some bones – and study the history of “capitalism” and you learn that it took government intervention through antitrust laws to assure competition.)

    The rich didn’t allow a middle class to exist out of the goodness of their hearts – they did it because it promotes their interest. Big government doesn’t exist in spite of and in opposition of capitalism and “free markets” – it exists because of – and to support and preserve – “free market” captialism.

    And as far as who built it, the Republican National Convention took place in a publicly built (but privately profiting) arena. That is all you really need to know. But if you want to look further, the computing industry is entirely based upon big government spending. Roads (and railroads, air travel, and ships/barges) – government. The military, police, fire departments, sanitation including sanitary sewers, clean water – government. Education – government.

    The fact is that “we the people” (see the opening line of the Constitution) built this country – its just the rich which have seized the spoils for their own. Don’t be fooled that our life is better now – the rich didn’t share the spoils of this land out of the goodness of their hearts. They shared it because our ancestors fought for the union and forced them to share it. And they needed to share some or run a strong risk of losing everything (in the Railroad Strike of 1877 there were general strikes and revolut which almost successfully overthrew the government in several cities most notably Pittsburgh).

    (and yes, ironically that does kind of prove Adam Smith’s point – but he was right that capitalists do not provide things out of the goodness of their heart – to the devotees of Mammon, self interest overrides all. But do the modern devotees of Mammon realize that it is not always in your best interest to be greedy?)

    Big corporations need big government for their survival. What the Republicans (the party of Mammon or for the KJV only folks “Filthy Lucre”) ultimately want is the ultimate dream of the capitalist pigs: to socialize risk of failure (bailouts!) while privitizing gains and privatize everything. In other words, big government is just another way for the Mitt Romney’s (as an aside, isn’t it lovely that he will solely go down in history as the embodiment and symbol of Mammon worship in the early 21st Century?) of the world to shovel more wealth upwards to themselves. The Republicans do not want to abolish big government – they want to privatize it (e.g. private accounts rather than Social Security which completely defeats the point of Social Security being a guaranteed insurance program). They are now even trying to turn formerly free roads into toll roads that they can sell to private enterprize to run. And there is also the lovely private prisons and even in places private police forces. And yes, “free market” is nothing but a slogan because they know that in a truly free market there is only one winner and a whole lot of losers.

    They don’t want to limit government – they want to exploit government just like they want to exploit everything else – for profit. And they don’t care who they hurt to make money or even if their profit is sustainable. These people know that if America blows up they can move to their own private island or Switzerland or whatever. They have no loyalty to this country. The rest of us Americans are screwed.

    Capital knows no bounderies and the dream of the capitalists has always been a global free market where money, people, and goods can move freely around the world and the only worship permitted is the worship of Mammon – yes, they are currently trying to use Christianity to their own advantage now, but as long as copies of The Bible exist people might actually read what Jesus (and the Apostles) said about wealth. They aren’t going to take that risk forever – all of this business about Christianity and Moslems – its just a distraction to fool the rubes as the ultra rich divide the spoils of the world among themselves.

    Division of people among races and ethnicity is the same thing – the fact is that if you study your Southern history you will find that the Southern elites have long used racism to divide poor whites and their natural class allies blacks. In 1968, Richard Nixon took it national through the somewhat misnamed “Southern Strategy” finding out that exploiting racial tension worked not only in Birmingham but also in Boston. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush took it to its logical extreme using racism and bigotry as the means to shovel wealth upwards.

    Thankfully, it seems that this bigotry and division is failing (in part because as the older generations die out and newer generations who grew up going to integrated schools take over racial appeals have lost much of its strength – naturally the Mammon devotee’s response is to destroy the schools). Too bad that while the Republicans are the Party of Mammon the Democrats are the Party of Mammon Lite. Its just the Democrats represent smart capitalists who actually understand that it is not always in your interest to be greedy and that their wealth is due to – and not in spite of – big government.

  • Infantryman

    Michael Parker:

    Reparations for 500 yrs of slavery? Lolol why not get paid for the suffering your relatives are enduring now bc they enslaved each other in africa now as we speak. They are black so ty hey aint gotta pay right?

  • Infantryman

    If you dont know the constitution you need to. The government CANNOT deny a state or states the right to leave the union if they choose to do so. THAT IS A FACT. Some of you have blind faith in our government. Your dumb as a bag of hammers if you think we dont have the right to secede.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Reynardine wrote:

    “I am curious, Kiwi. Hole-in-the-head Trema has spouted such platitudes, how did you make shim as the same individuals who spotted the same platitudes under other names, and how many of these sock puppets are his?”

    It wasn’t hard to spot Trema’s nonsense…I’ve seen his exact literary style on sporadic occasions in this blog, and he gives himself away by stylistic repetition. He spills the same blather about “anti-racist is a code word for anti-white,” and he has it all over his web page. Also on the petition he sent to the White House (which I stumbled on by pure chance), demanding that President Obama work to eliminate non-white immigration to “white” countries. I cracked up over that one.

    Trema changes his name every time he posts, but his line of drivel, that never changes. So he changes his MO, but not his signature.

    As for James suggesting that the government “get out of the way, and let the people enjoy prosperity,” he can share those views with slaves in the first half of the 19th century, and child laborers in factories in the second half of the 19th century, and miners and auto workers in the first half of the 20th.

    The slaves, child workers, miners, and automobile workers, were absolutely delighted when the government “got in the way,” as they absolutely were NOT enjoying any “prosperity” under their working conditions.

    An example: Right into the 20th century, coal miners in West Virginia worked under the muzzles of company machine-guns. They were paid in company scrip, which was only redeemable for goods and services at the company store, required to live in company towns, furnished with company furniture, and their pay was deducted for everything from pickaxe sharpening to electricity in their company huts. If they went on strike, their company scrip ceased to have value, and the coal company could toss them out of their company homes and seize their furniture. Coal miners were indeed perpetually indebted to the company store, often paying off back debts owed by family members killed in the mines. It was little more than slavery.

    It took a U.S. Supreme Court decision (oddly enough, by Chief Justice William Howard Taft, no friend of unions) to require coal companies to pay their workers in real money, not company scrip. Kind of puts a hole in that theory that the government should get out of the way and generate prosperity.

    Some of these people with foggy nostalgia for an America that never existed should study their history instead of listening to Rush Limbaugh and reading Anne Coulter. The “good old days” were terrible.

  • Gregory

    aadila,

    I drove past Wank on my way to Austria this summer. The parents of my god-daughter were in the car and unfamiliar with the English connotations of the word. I think what amused them most was the simple economy of the word compared to the German equivalent (Selbstbefriedigung).

    As I struggle to make this comment relevant to anything other than my inner Beavis, I actually thought of StormFront as I read the Ausfahrt (exit) sign pointing the way to Wank. The road leading to that village is called the Wank Bahn and I cannot think of a better nickname for StormFront than the Wank Bahn.

    I’m hoping the moderator has a sense of humour tonight. (Please delete if this is a duplicate post)

  • Reynardine

    And then there’s Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.

  • Reynardine

    Actually, Elephant Butte is in New Mexico.

  • Reynardine

    For those who need inspiration to diet, there’s Elephant Butte.

  • Reynardine

    Actually, in the afore-mentioned Austrian town, you have a choice of stops, in Unterfucking or Oberfucking. Across the border, at the Wankberg, you can stay at the Wankhaus.

  • CM

    A couple more for our growing atlas of potty-mouth place names:

    Fanny, WV
    Tittie Butte, OR

  • aadila

    Maybe that’s where Deep Ecology went? Though for some reason I doubt he would even get close.

  • Erika

    Don’t forget Intercourse, PA which the MRA are always attempting to find but instead they always wind up in Blue Ball :)

  • Gregory
  • Reynardine

    Aron, did the Fuckingers vote to change the name of their town, or do they wish to keep commemorating sixth-century Count Fucko? (No, you can’t make it up).

    Peace, Hays Office: This is actual history and geography.

  • Aron

    And Fucking, Austria. One must never forget about Fucking.

  • aadila

    Rey, don’t forget Coxsackie, NY.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Oh did you think I wouldn’t notice this?

    “James said,

    Here they go again. To justify tyrannical unjust and unconstitutional government; lets play our race cards.”

    Please explain this “race card.” When is mentioning discrimination or prejudice against minorities NOT “playing the race card?”

    “Divide and conquer. Aren’t we all Americans? Why can’t we all get along?”

    Why don’t you ask the people who treat minorities as though they’re only partially American.

    ” Surrendering all our rights and privileges to the government only creates tyrannical government and we all suffer.”

    Were you also so concerned about these things under Bush?

    ” The American free enterprise system is admired all over the world. It’s why everyone wants to come here. It’s produced the greatest economy ever known to mankind. ”

    Actually these days plenty of people aren’t too impressed. Since neo-liberal economics continues to dominate American policy I’m not sure what you’re upset about here.

    “We did build it contrary to what Obama may say. ”

    Do you even know the context of that quote?

    “Get government out of the way and let we the people, all the people enjoy the prosperity.”

    Yeah see we tried this back in the so-called Gilded Age. It didn’t work out too well. We’ve been trying it again since the 1980s, and it’s not working out.

  • aadila

    The right wing hates America. That’s why they celebrate every bad thing that happens.

  • Reynardine

    I am curious, Kiwi. Hole-in-the-head Trema has spouted such platitudes, how did you make shim as the same individuals who spotted the same platitudes under other names, and how many of these sock puppets are shis?

  • Reynardine

    Sorry, What? Your suggestion has just violated some unfortunate brach, for reasons which will appear shortly. And if you think that you are going to grow oranges in the southern counties of Georgia as the sea level rises, well, Suwannee Straits, q.v.

    Mr. Owen, we have a very strict Hays Office keeping order here. Before a certain attack by MRA’s, they were so strict that I had to write my present age as LXIX. They relaxed a bit afterwards, so we may now allude to towns named Tomball, Peach Bottom, Onancock, and Assawoman, but you will rarely see the disorder that prevails elsewhere.

    Kiwiwriter, you are a marvel. As I explained, multiple awards will be given out the coming weekend; you have just cornered yourself a Golden Anvil.

  • Reynardine

    Kenfolk, I agree with you up to the point where you say, “Let the South secede”. That would be denying the protection of the sovereign to those of us- non-whites, non- Dominionists, or just plain centrists and liberals- who live south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

    My state has Cape Canaveral. I reiterate: if these characters can’t stand living on a multicultural planet, let us launch them on their own little planetoid, engineered to be self-sustaining so long as the inhabitants can be bothered to use the built-in education programs that teach them how to maintain it.

  • Reynardine

    Marc, it becomes treasonous when Americans actually act on it and, as an organized group, take up arms against the United States. Advocating such stuff as a concrete plan of action is sedition. Blowing off steam or speculating about a hypothetical future is protected by the First Amendment.

  • Reynardine

    Because this last week was so exceedingly truncated, I am going to combine the Awards with this week’s, compensating, if such be warranted, by giving out more Awards.

  • Sam Molloy

    When we start our Gay State we should hire those Transgendered Weaklings as our army. They will kick a** and not worry about taking names.

  • PK

    Please, Let’s not give themTexas. I live here and so do lots of sane, liberal, non-racists who are deeply embaressed by this crap. These assholes are what I refer to as the ignorant and proud of it. Much more problematic is the unconscious white male entitlement that permeates so much of Americn society (not just the south). The irony here is that Texas will be one of the places that white will no longer be the mjority color sooner, rather than later. Rant on, it won’t turn the tide of history.

  • Tyler

    You know what people have historicly done when they felt the stateor ruler was oppressing them? they left the country.

    The people of stormfront, the klan and various white nationalist types are by implication race-colonizers. So armed with their fuzzy science theories and pop gun m16s why not have annother go at Rhodisia? Take off eh. Get some plane tickets to Somalia and have fun explaining your ethno-centric world view to the local warlord.

  • Jorge

    Everybody relax, succession won’t go through..so we’ll all still have to tolerate each other

  • Milton Schwartz

    I respect Lincoln as our most capable president but he greatly erred in creating a war to keep the south in the union. Since secession from Britain was the basis for our
    independence, it should have been the basis for the southern secession. The remaining North would have been and still would be a much better nation unburdened by the ignorance and bigotry of the south. The cost of over 700,000
    lives was far to costly to keep the south in the union.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Well, we hear from “TRMA,” who has written here under various other names:

    “To “ruslan”

    On one hand, you say that assimilation isn’t forced. On the other hand, you advocate threats, intimidation, harassment, loss of employment, physical violence and prison time for those who are against said assimilation. So which is it, anti-White?”

    You say you are anti-racist. What you are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is just a codeword for anti-White. You want White geNOcide.”

    Sorry I haven’t weighed in on this gent, but I’ve been busy working with Homeland Security and FEMA in the wake of Hurricane Sandy on the second stage of our post-Sandy efforts, using the men of the 7th Gurkhas as a security force while we build special “resettlement camps” in affected areas, as a prelude to “ethnic cleansing” and the secret UN/NATO base that will enable the European Union and the African Union to take over control of New Jersey from the United States. We signed the agreement with Governor Christie and President Obama when they went to New Jersey after the hurricane.

    That ought to keep the conspiracy nuts buzzing for a while!

    Now, back to TRMA…we’ve seen you make sporadic appearances on this website, repetitiously spouting your line, “Anti racist is anti white.” You must have that on a shortcut on your keyboard! You pop up under a variety of names, and once you even included your website address. Boy, that’s a lot of effort to spout more drivel about the efforts to exterminate white rabbits.

    Anyway, back to your main points:

    1. Ruslan has posted many more times here than you have, for many years, and I have read his and your posts at great length. I have NEVER seen him advocate “threats, intimidation, harassment, loss of employment, physical violence, and prison time” or “forced assimilation” in any of his posts.

    2. Freedom of Speech is not “freedom from speech.” If you spout stuff in the public arena, be prepared to be called out and held accountable for it. If you say stuff that offends people, expect them to be offended and argue back. If you annoy people, they’re not going to just sit there and “take it.” You don’t like getting yelled at? Tough beans, kiddo. Welcome to democracy. We have the right to tell you what we think of you. That’s why Carl Pavano gets booed every time he comes to Yankee Stadium.

    3. If you engage in behavior that embarrasses your employer or breaks the law, expect to be fired by your employer or go to prison. That’s true in any country, even ones that don’t offer their citizens freedom of speech, regardless of the country’s philosophies or ethnicities. It’s a simple rule of employment: torque off the boss, he or she can fire you. If you don’t believe me, stick a crowbar in your wallet and chat with an employment lawyer.

    4. You have come here repeatedly and whined about “forced assimilation,” but have yet to prove that whites are being forced to marry blacks or vice versa. The burden of proof is on you, not your cartoon rabbits.

    5. Please share with us actual occasions when you, personally, have been subjected to “threats, intimidation, harassment, loss of employment, physical violence, and prison time” for your behavior. Your web page up and running? No KGB, FBI, or KAOS agents dragging you off to prison? You ever been fired from a job? Better yet, have you ever held a job? And if you’re suffering from threats and intimidation, was that because you refused to marry a black, Latino, or Asian girl? Has any government agent or job superior actually come to your parents’ home, descended into your basement, and said to you, “Hey, dum-dum, you are now required by law to marry this black girl. If you do not do so and present our glorious leader with seven biracial kids in eight years, you will go to prison?” Actually, I hope someone does. Watch how fast your attitudes and priorities in life change once you’re married, responsible, and having kids. Far less time to sit at the computer in the basement and whine, hey?

    I won’t bother to use the usual argument about “Defining white culture” on you, because you’ve heard it here numerous times before, and you’re not listening. You’re just hoping one person out of 20,000 reads your rubbish and says, “This guy is cool. I’m going to join his army and send him my life savings from my grandfather’s trust fund,” so you can move out of your parents’ basement into your own apartment, hire some servants, and spend the rest of your life whining on the internet, and not worry about paying for it or cooking your own food. Unfortunately, while you’ll probably get some hits on your website, I don’t think you’ll get that $30 million check.

    So I’ll move on. Ruslan had a great argument about how a “white homeland” would break up into little civil wars. I would add this:

    Such a state would have an immediate problem, in that none of its citizens would be willing to take low-paying menial jobs…sweeping floors, cleaning toilets, re-paving streets, cleaning sewer lines, washing linen in the hotels, mowing lawns, picking crops, and saying, “Would you like fries with that, sir?” After all, the entire citizenry would believe that despite their lack of education, they would be entitled to high-paying jobs by virtue of their race and ethnic group. The beer-swilling rednecks that would make up this nation would refuse point-blank to perform these menial tasks, insisting that they are only fit for sub-humans, not the “Aryan elite.” The Aryan elite is unwilling to do miserable low-paying, minimum-wage, entry-level jobs. They seem to take welfare or cook up methamphetamine instead.

    So this nation would have to bring in guest workers from out of state. Now, they could invade their neighbor and bring back slaves, but that neighbor would be the United States of America, and the US would be most annoyed at being invaded and would strike back with vigor.

    The second option would be to let in people from other countries to be guest workers or as immigrants to undertake these jobs, just like in the United States. And they would come running from impoverished countries to find those jobs. And in a short time, this “white paradise” would find itself having to develop vast social systems to provide for the needs of these people, including schools, hospitals, and recreation. Then these guest workers would start having babies and demanding rights and citizenship…

    And then it gets worse, when the immigrants turn out to be better educated than the “Aryans,” and are the only people who can run the sewage, electrical, sanitation, health, fire, and police systems. After all, none of these clowns I’ve studied seem to be capable of running anything larger than a small demonstration, a slightly larger drinking party/music concert, or a mail-order book publishing scam. They don’t seem to be too good at holding real jobs, or running societies. Look what happened to the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho. Heck, look what happened to the South…they were terrified of and utterly dependent on their slaves.

    So in this WN state the “Aryans” would have to become utterly dependent on the people they loathe…

    and there goes the “White Nationalist Homeland” ballgame, huh?

    Fools.

  • Reynardine

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Dan Owen

    Thanks for the informative article.

    By the way, the level of vitriol here is only a fraction of the flame wars on Apple/PC discussions. Where are the ALL CAP messages with !!!!!!!!!! lots of angry punctuation? You people are practically polite.

  • John

    I recall reading a news item about this that said all of the states with secession petitions are “takers” — that is, they cost the federal government more than they return in taxes. So maybe the easiest way to balance the budget is to let the bastards secede.

  • Michael Parker

    If this nonsense go through, let these states pay the Reparations due the Black American first. The Jews,Japanese, and American Indians were paid. Only the Blacks were ignored and we are still waiting for it, for the suffering our families and ancesters endured these 500 yrs. Don’t get angry, look into it.

  • concernedcitizen

    Neo Nazi and Klan sympathizers have no place in our Military or in Federal Jobs.

    It goes way beyond a mere philosophy when those people engage in racist activities against the American public.

  • NAFTA Refugee

    Go figure. The right doesn’t want anything to do with the left. It’s so…………… radical.