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New ‘Aryan’ Compound in Idaho to be Sold Off in January
The public foreclosure sale of property that was to be a new Aryan Nations and Ku Klux Klan compound in North Idaho is set for Jan. 14, court records show. The foreclosure will mean eviction for white supremacist Shaun P. Winkler, his wife and their small child, along with a small band of their racist associates who have been living on the site, unless they can come up with almost $70,000 by the scheduled sale date.
Winkler and his wife bought the land in Bonner County in early 201l, hoping to use the site to replicate the former Aryan Nations compound in adjoining Kootenai County. The buildings at the Kootenai County site were razed and the property turned into a cow pasture more than a decade ago, after it was sold in the wake of a court judgment against Aryan Nations, its late leader and several followers. Details of Winkler’s plans for his land are contained in an article in the most recent issue of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Report, which was released on Tuesday.
In a follow-up interview Wednesday with a KREM-TV reporter from Spokane, Wash., Winkler acknowledged that he likely faces foreclosure and eviction. But he said he now has plans to continue working toward his goal after moving onto another nearby private property, which he said is being given to him by a retired Los Angeles police officer who he refused to identify.
The private timber company that sold the 17.3 acres to Winkler in March 2011 initiated foreclosure action this past September, about two weeks after learning he had logged and sold thousands of board feet of timber on the land in clear violation of the purchase agreement. Winkler also was several months delinquent in making purchase payments. When contacted by the Intelligence Report in August, Rick Dinning, president of Tungsten Holdings, Inc., said he had no idea the buyer was a long-time professional racist from Pennsylvania and former protégé of late Aryan Nations founder Richard G. Butler, or that Winkler had been logging the property.
Winkler, his sister and their itinerant associates also have been living on the property without a state-required “site permit” needed for discharge of human waste. Regional environmental health officials launched an investigation after learning Winkler and his racist friends were living on the property without that permit.
Dinning said in August that he had “no clue” that Winkler, who has a criminal record, was planning to use the site to build a “whites-only” housing complex to replicate Butler’s former Aryan Nations 20-acre compound.
That original compound hosted the annual Aryan World Congress for much of its two-decades-long history and became an international rallying spot for racists, several of whom went on to commit various high-profile hate crimes, including murders, arsons, bombings and other acts of terrorism. The compound was sold at a bankruptcy auction after the SPLC, representing a woman and her son who had been terrorized by violent compound guards in a 2000 civil suit, won a judgment for the plaintiffs of $6.3 million.
Several would-be successors to Butler have attempted with little success to take up the Aryan legacy since his death in 2004, but Winkler seems to have been the most visible in North Idaho, frequently hold racists demonstrations. He unsuccessfully ran for sheriff in Bonner County last spring, garnering only 182 votes.
In between slurs directed at Jews, black people and others, Winkler frequently says in interviews that he still admires Butler and wants to carry on his racist legacy. He says he isn’t a “hater” but rather a “lover” of the white race.
But Winkler’s plans seem to have hit a wall, at least for the time being.
“We have begun the foreclosure process,” Dinning told Hatewatch this week when reached at one of his company’s offices in Libby, Mont. His company filed a “notice of default and election to sell” the property in Bonner County District Court, and has published a required foreclosure legal notice in a Sandpoint, Idaho, newspaper.
The property will be sold on Jan. 14 or revert to the seller unless Winkler can come up with $68,977 still owed, plus interest and legal costs from Dec. 11, 2011, when the delinquent payments started accruing, Dinning said. The foreclosure sale is set for 10 a.m. at Sandpoint Title Insurance Co. in Sandpoint.
After that sale, Winkler could still face a civil suit for cutting and selling 30,000 board feet of timber — an estimated six logging truckloads worth as much as $10,000 — from the Tungsten property without permission from the seller. Dinning was noncommittal when asked if he intended to pursue such legal action against Winkler.
on November 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Well, do we know anyone who really deserves the land better, whom we could chip in for…say, a fresh air camp for ethnically diverse city kids?
on November 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Another sterling example of the white race, Haw Haw!
on November 29th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Reynardine, I would be willing to donate to such a camp.
on November 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Random question I got while reading the “Intelligence Report” article:
I know Aryan Nations follows Christian Identity. What is their position on Jesus? I know they think the Hebrew Bible tells the story of white people and not Jews, but then who were the people who livied in the area during the time of the Gospels? I know a lot of antisemites think modern Jews are decended from Central Asian Khazars and that they believe Jesus was Aryan, but were the Pharasies just Khazars who were taking a vacation and just happened to be in the area?
on November 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Jeff, how do we start the ball rolling?
on November 29th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Good Day
That land needs be bought by one of the groups like yours, or ACLU. or any Civil Rights group.
Fr. Eugene Falk, Ofm, UlC:
on November 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Now that I think about it, in the movie version of Auntie Mame, that is how she dealt with the bigoted Upsons. Of course, she was quite wealthy; damme, we’re not, but it’s a great idea. How *do* we get the ball rolling?
on November 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Khazars did not adopt Judaism until centuries later, and, though they exist at present, those who did not adopt Islam reverted to Tengrism.
on November 29th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I’m sorry in advance, but I can’t help it, since I am running a temperature and am slightly delirious:
Compound W. It’s Compound W — you know, “W” for Whites? (and also warts).
Still — it would actually be nice for such a setting to be turned into Camp Diversity instead.
on November 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Didn’t Mark Furman move to Idaho? If so, could he be the mysterious LA officer?
on November 29th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
As long as thy run it past the Bomb/Drug sniffing dogs first. Maybe they also chould check it for nerve gas.
on November 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Actually, Hung, that crossed my mind.
on November 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@CoralSea: Perfect on both counts! LOL.
on November 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
So long as Ralston Purina doesn’t raise a roadblock, we could call the fresh-air camp Checkerboard Square.
on November 29th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Rey and Hung, it crossed mine also :)
on November 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
It should be all Gay and be named Camp Camp.
on November 29th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I’m in awe of the complex thinking skills evidenced by this Aryan leader. In order to set up this new “White sanctuary”:
1. Enter into a purchase agreement and then flagrantly violate it.
2. Neglect to acquire the necessary sanitation permits.
3. Don’t make the necessary payments.
Any of these three, of course, could result in loss of the property and/or serious financial hardship. Brilliant!
on November 29th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
No brain, no pain. We should find out where this pack if Inbreds is moving next.
on November 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
adamhill;
All of the brilliance these white racist groups portray is indeed staggering. They would have to have half a brain to begin with to pull off anything as complex as actually thinking. The saying “they would be dangerous if they had half a brain” certainly holds true of most of these morons. If they really had much intelligence to begin with they would never join these imbicile groups. All One has to do is look at them to realize there is some thing off there.
on November 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I REALLY wish that they’d STOP pretending to represent the “White Race”!
I think they should have to call themselves the, “White TRASH Race”!
on November 29th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
I remember at least one compound being turned over to the mother of a hate crime victim. I believe it was the SPLC that won that case for her. My fantasy is that some one buy this compound and turn it over to another victim of a hate crime. It would have a nice sense of justice to it, and would also attract much needed media attention.
on November 29th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Reynardine when you said “Well, do we know anyone who really deserves the land better, whom we could chip in for…say, a fresh air camp for ethnically diverse city kids?”, do you realize that you also aligned yourself in a similar fashion as AN and Shawn Winkler? Anyone has the right to believe whatever they wish and live their lives in whatever way they wish to live, provided they do not interfere with the rights of others. Such as Shawn and his demented white supremacist views. He has that right until he interferes with the rights of others. Likewise the rights of others must be curtailed as well if they interfere with his rights. Part of that actually is law- Fair Housing Act as well as Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Ultimately he is being evicted for lease violation. Should we praise that an American is losing their home? No. No matter what they believe.
I will pray for Shawn that perhaps someday he will see that whites and non-whites can live together in harmony. The choice not to is a choice of the individual.
on November 30th, 2012 at 8:19 am
There still exists an actual Fresh Air fund, and it runs camps of the kind we discussed. To me, that is an utterly worthy endeavor. Let us consider how this can be made to happen.
on November 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I never tried to organize a thing like this, but persons willing to brainstorm, contact me at rey.mohammed.5@facebook.com, and identify yourselves. We will see what we can do to join up.
Trolls and internet stalkers will be diswelcomed.
on November 30th, 2012 at 8:52 am
See here, Cactus, he is losing it no matter. It should go to worthier use than being lumbered.
on November 30th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Ian, my understanding of Christian Identity, is that they use the name “Yahshua” to refer to Jesus Christ, which they believe is a mere English transliteration of the Greek transliteration of his name (Ieosus Christos). To answer your question though which can get somewhat complex (lol!), I will try to keep it simple. They believe that Yahweh was married to Israel, but that she proved unfaithful and was divorced and taken away first in the Assyrian captivity and then the Babylonian captivity. Only 50,000 returned from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi from the Babylonian captivity. They believe that today’s Jews are called Jews because of their religion of Talmudic Judaism. Jews are a cultural group with the blood of many peoples, they believe, and anyone can become Jewish and part of the tribe. Essentially, they believe that Jews are a mongrelized fringe left over from Judea with the blood of Edomites, Canaanites and others, and are a mixed people, that the Hebrew Semites were White. They believe the majority of Jews are semitic only in language. They use quotes from some Jews themselves and other stuff to back up their claims. If you are more interested in that type of stuff, I would suggest reading Arnold Kennedy’s writings, who was Christian Identist.
They believe that Adam means “ruddy”, “fair” “to show blood”, “blushes” etc.. They don’t believe in just the Bible though, they also use the Apocrypha too, like the two verses at the link below:
http://www.biblestudytools.com.....it+4:12-13
on November 30th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Shane, “adam” in fact derives from a word for “clay red”, and, like Phoenicians, were named for the combination of swarthiness and sunburn one can expect from constant exposure to low-latitude sun. He was therefore deemed to be dark enough to tan and light enough to burn, which put him in the middle range of human pigmetation- like most Fertile Crescent and Levantine types today.
on November 30th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Ha! If they swallowed their pride and collected unemployment they may be able to pay their dues and keep their compound.
on November 30th, 2012 at 10:09 am
And no, no one has the right to “hate” other people. We all do things we don’t necessarily have the right to do. Because when you hate someone, you will hurt that person if given the chance.
on November 30th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Thanks for pointing that out, Reynardine. I’m aware that “Adam” comes also from the root meaning “red”, “fair”, “handsome”, whereas specifically “adamah” means “ground” or “earth”, and “admoni” means “ruddy” as well, according to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam#Etymology
Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon lists it as “to show blood (in the face), i.e. flesh turn rosy”. http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/.....index=adam
on November 30th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Shane,
I was specifically wondering about their position on Jesus and who killed him.
on November 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
My parents got a pool when I was twenty-one, one forty feet in length, and I used to swim forty laps a day in the mid-summer South Florida sun. I turned that color. Normally, I cannot, and these days I’d not try. Your average person would have to be Mediterranean olive to light brown to do it consistently.
on November 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Joey, one hates some things. I love Blue Bell Homemade Vanilla Ice Cream, and I love Kühn’s Red Sauerkraut, but I’d hate them made up into a sauerkraut sundae. I’m capable of an aversive, even violent reaction when people make certain especially cruel utterances, but it would take a lot more to cause me the kind of sustained cold malice I’d characterize as real hate. I hate injustice, and always will.
on November 30th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
The difference between Blacks and Whites is not just skin color. Blacks have sloping foreheads, prognathous jaws, flaring nostrils, and broad, flat noses. Black babies have shorter gestation periods than White babies. They mature faster than White babies. Black females experience their first menstruation at an earlier age than Whites. There is a feature in the lower mandible of Blacks called the Simian shelf. It exists only in Blacks and the higher Apes – not in White Europeans. Blacks have a different number of teeth than Europeans. The occurrence of 4th and even 5th molars is not uncommon among Blacks. The 4th molar almost always occurs. For Europeans it’s not common. The 5th molar is unheard of. The three curvatures of the spine is different for Blacks than Europeans. Blacks have different bone density, twitch muscles, and fingerprint patterns. Blacks have wide mouths, big teeth, big tongues. Blacks have smaller brains than Whites. A full 5 cubic inches, which is huge. All of it missing in the frontal lobes which is the seat of higher thought.
These facts and many others point convincingly to the fact that Blacks are a less evolved race. They are closer to the Ape on the evolutionary scale and are not fully modern human beings. They should be classified as a separate species. They are less evolved than White Europeans. When you begin to realize that, you will also realize that the world is big enough for pro-White opinions and beliefs like mine to exist, not just the beliefs of a privileged few like yourselves. You should not feel threatened just because I do not accept your Marxist racemixing multicultural belief system.
We need segregation to prevent the human population becoming degraded and evolving backwards. The Aryan is the pinnacle of human evolution. Mixing with Blacks would be a step backwards. It would create even more of a mess than our world currently is in. Indeed, the ideal situation would be a pure White world, where ever part of the good lands of this Earth is inhabited only by White Aryans. The other races are inferior. Less evolved. More Ape-like. The goal should be to evolve forward to a more advanced stage of Mankind. Never to go backwards. Since the Black race is a less evolved race, and more Ape-like, mixing with them would be a form of retrograde evolution.
Furthermore, my contention is my beliefs are good. A form of morality. Because creating a more advanced form of Humanity is the highest virtue.
on November 30th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Thanks for that clarification, Ian. My understanding is that adherents of Christian Identity believe that there were two trials, one Roman and the other Jewish, with the Jewish one premeditated. They consider it premediated murder on the part of the leaders of Judea of the time, whom they believe were overwhelmingly of Edomite and Canaanite-extraction. Herod who had Edomite lineage, having all the male babies killed in Jerusalem, a place where the 50,000 mentioned earlier from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi are said to have returned. This is not anything new to them, they also believe that the Israelite genealogical records were burned as well. Edomites are considered traditional enemies of the Israelites. Many are said to have converted to Judaism during that time period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom#Religion
I think you have the impression that Christian Identity just teaches that Jews are descendants of the Khozars, which isn’t wholly true. That is part of the teaching but not the essence.
To answer the question: “Though Roman soldiers carried out the Crucifixion, the Edomite-Jews took the legal
responsibility for it, and the latter will never be forgiven.”
Their doctrine is that without the crucifixion, (bruising of the heel) there is no redemption, and that while Israelites are recipients benefiting from it, it is highly irresponsible to place the blame for Christ’s death on “us” (White people, Judahites) even though there were definitely some Judahites that went along with it, part of the crowd urging it on, listening to their leaders. Israel can’t play both roles of bruiser and those that benefit from the bruising. To them, a few “true” Israelites may have unwittingly played the part of executioner, but the descendants of the “Satanic-Cain-Kenite-Hittite-Edomite-Jew” line took full legal responsibility, and it was willingly placed on their children forever. Thats all my understanding of it at least.
on November 30th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
A eugenics lover named Eugene?
That is much more humor than the committee can usually manage :P
on November 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Eugene, it’s all been printed here before, word for word, and nothing ever persuades you and your clones to even change the punctuation. If you want to improve the human gene pool, have a vasectomy.
Shane, you have accumulated an enormous amount of mythology. It remains mythology, no matter what kind of gloss you put on it, just as a turd remains a turd, no matter what kind of frosting you put on it.
on November 30th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Oh… WOW. We have a bona-fide complete moron in the house today. WHERE did you study biology, Eugene, because I want to file a complaint with their government about their educational system.
Not only are you WRONG about literally everything you said, but you proved that YOU are a lesser specimen of humanity. Good god, go into a high school and READ A BOOK!!!
on November 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Eugene wrote almost word for word what Ezra Mead wrote on this topic so I’m guessing it’s just another alias for the same person. Ezra, you’ll be pleased to know that the donation I made to the SPLC in your honor will be listed in an upcoming publication.
on November 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Reynardine,
One could call it that. Good thing I explained to Ian to the best of my knowledge, what Christian Identity teaches on the question that he asked. It all being “mythology” was not the question. However, I can’t say I agree whole heartedly with your comment of “turds being turds” no matter what, anymore than I can agree with the Christian Identity statements of ”sheep are sheep, goats are goats, wheat is wheat, tares are tares, and dogs are dogs”. I can agree however that truth is truth, facts are facts, and opinions are opinions. Let us look for truth wherever it can be found. That is the problem with labels, once a person labels themselves or another, they start to think of themselves or another within that label. It’s a box that is created. We all need to think outside of the box. :)
on November 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Eugene, this is a good example of the evil that resides within a seemingly harmless theory, Evolution. Eugenics came out right after Evolution, and some parts of it do seem like progressive concepts. In fact, most all of what we today consider to be the most civilized countries at one time embraced Eugenics. Only England and the US did not, and soon after that, the Germans took this reasoning to its logical end point. According to Christian Creationism, also an unproven theory, there was one race until the Tower of Babel, and when it fell different people spoke different languages, and developed from that point into the different races we have today.
on November 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Eugene may well be the latest incarnation of JasonAnnieEzra. We knew that the Idiot Committee would not stay away forever.
on November 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
As this is a time for novel awards, Eugene gets the Lead Hanglider, so that he can continue to sail in out of thin air and land with a klunk.
on November 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Eugen,
If someone uses the term “less evolved” the way you just did, it is a clear sign that that person knows less about biology than he or she thinks he or she knows.
on December 1st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Eugene, everything you wrote seems like either misinterpretations of superficial features, qualities attributable to diet and environment, or out and out lies. It’s almost certain that experts–biologists, doctors, anthropologists, etc., that is, people who know a lot more than you–would laugh at your claims, it’s important that your source them more clearly. Different fingerprint patterns? Smaller brains? To reasonable people, these claims appear to be lies or delusions of yours, so you need to tell us where you learned them. And, on the off-chance there’s a particulate of truth to any of them, by what process did you interpret them? (women have smaller brains than men, but are as smart–or perhaps smarter–than men).
on December 1st, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Adam:
“I’m in awe of the complex thinking skills evidenced by this Aryan leader. In order to set up this new “White sanctuary”:
1. Enter into a purchase agreement and then flagrantly violate it.
2. Neglect to acquire the necessary sanitation permits.
3. Don’t make the necessary payments.
Any of these three, of course, could result in loss of the property and/or serious financial hardship. Brilliant!”
Adam, I could not agree more…and it makes you wonder how many days a “secessionist republic” of white nationalists could last after splitting off from the Union.
on December 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Well, Eugene, that’s a pretty hilarious claim you’ve made on black inferiority to whites. Now, if you’re a member of the “Aryan Elite,” you should have no trouble understanding the concept that someone who makes a claim must present the evidence to back it up, and it must be peer-reviewed and meet academic standards. So bring on your sources and proofs, so we can demolish them one by one. Otherwise, we’ll mark you down as the basement-dwelling idiot you are and treat you accordingly.
So in accordance with that:
I think W.E.B. DuBois, Ralphe Bunche, Maya Angelou, Percy Lavon Julian, and Ronald McNair pretty well start to shoot down your idea that blacks are no good at “higher thought.” Their thinking is a lot higher than yours.
I’m not “threatened” by your ideas. I find them pretty darn hilarious and highly reprehensible. What is threatening is when people act upon those ideas and take it upon themselves to cause chaos and harm, like Buford Furrow and Robert Shelton, or turn them into matters of political policy, like Sheriff Clark, or try to do both, like Orval Faubus and Ross Barnett. If you don’t know who they are, you’re not much of a representative of the “Aryan elite,” and you should shown up for 8th grade history class instead of smoking Camels in the play yard.
Yeah, the “Aryan is the pinnacle of human evolution.” Aryans: tall, like Goebbels; slim, like Goering; blond, like Hess; and heroic, like Hitler. Come to think of it, I don’t see too many Aryans in these neo-Nazi rallies…they all look like the runts of the human litter to me, and if they’re the pinnacle of human evolution, how come they weren’t able to use that racial supremacy effectively back in 1939 to conquer the world or do the same likewise in 2012. How come when the Aryan elites form themselves into organizations devoted to gaining national power, they show themselves to be able to do little more than hold a 10-man demonstration at a Dunkin Donuts, or run a mediocre book sales ring for a few years? How come the “Aryan Nations” up in Idaho fell on its face to a lawsuit from SPLC? How come those “Aryan Nations” guys had security guards with lengthy felony conviction records?
If the “Aryan elite” is so smart, how come the National Alliance is down to six guys meeting in a Denny’s, putting up nasty little stickers in men’s rooms in restaurants? Don’t you think the racially elite would be smart and clever enough to figure out how to take over the Pentagon, the banks, Hollywood, and McDonald’s from the sub-humans who run them now?
Mixing with blacks is a step backwards, huh? Tell that to the parents of Frederick Douglass, Halle Berry, Derek Jeter, Rashida Jones, Paula Patton, Roy Campanella, and Barack Obama, to name a few. They’ve accomplished a lot more in their lives than you’ve likely ever done.
“Marxist racemixing multicultural belief system.” Go through Karl Marx’s published works, and show me where he calls for race-mixing and multi-culturalism. Then go through Marx’s published works, and see if you can actually understand what he’s talking about…it’s not ethnicities, dummy, its’ about economics. As a member of the “Aryan elite,” you know all about that, don’t you? About Keynes, Adam Smith, and the rest of those guys? You can unreel them chapter and verse, can’t you?
Oh, you can’t? I thought you were part of the “elite.”
“Furthermore, my contention is my beliefs are good. A form of morality. Because creating a more advanced form of Humanity is the highest virtue.”
And a more advanced form of humanity will not have people as dumb as you in it, and hopefully have people who display and act upon humanity’s nobler traits: love, kindness, compassion, respect, decency. These are actually some of humanity’s oldest and most cherished values, not new ones. Hatred, racism, and cynicism, seem to be comparatively newer. Maybe in moving forward, we can pick up and define some older core values. After all, the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount pre-date the complete works of Adolf Hitler and William Pierce — and that Biblical prose has stood a greater test of time, has more adherents, and greater lasting value than that of Adolf and Billy.
on December 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Sam,
Do you understand what the word “theory” means in the scientific context? From your post, I am guessing that you don’t.
BTW, the Tower of Babel story is a fairy tale, not “another unproven theory”.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 6:31 am
Sam, you once again totally mangle history, sweetie.
In this case, i don’t necessary blame you because assuming you were educated in public schools (especially in a conservative area) its likely that your history class was more an exercise in patriotic indoctrination than actually teaching. As such, they would not spent a lot of effort discussing the American origins of Eugenics.
Here is a hint, look up the name Joseph DeJarnette, Superintendant of Western State Hospital in Staunton, Virginia.
Here is another hint – look up the name Carrie Buck and the Supreme Court decision in Buck v. Bell (1927).
Then look up the Supreme Court decision in Skinner v. Oklahoma (1943).
Then look up “The Black Stork” (or “Are You Fit to Marry?”) or “Better Babies Competitions”
In fact, it was the U.S. which largely originated Eugenics. And as part of Eugenics many states throughout the U.S. had forcible sterilization programs which forcibly sterlized mental defectives. Eugenic forced sterlization was upheld by the United States Supreme Court in Buck v. Bell (a case cited as defense during the Nuremberg Trials) – forcerd sterilization was rejected as a punishment for a crime in Skinner.
The precise nature of the program varied by states – North Carolina for example focused solely on sterilizing “defective” whites while Virginia sterilized both whites and blacks. Some areas forcibly sterilized minorities – others were just focused on improving the “white race.”
The state with the largest number of forced sterilizations wsa California – however the majority of states had forced sterilization programs based upon Eugenics.
The primary targets nationally were people with disabilities.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am
N. B.: Though making up awards list, will have to enter it later.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Geographic separation is one criterion by which scientists classify species. For example, there are two species of gorilla: a western species (Gorilla gorilla) and an eastern species (Gorilla beringei). They have the same number of chromosomes. They can indeed mate and produce fertile offspring. The two groups never meet in the wild however. In captivity they are always held separate and very few Gorilla beringei are held in captivity. In the rare cases where they have interacted — they fight.
Now, I say the physical differences between Blacks and Whites (humans) are GREATER than the physical differences between Gorilla gorilla and Gorilla beringei. Blacks and Whites were separated geographically by the Mediterranean sea and the vast Sahara desert. In their natural state during the neolithic period (in the “wild”) Blacks and Whites would have never met. Thus, I say they should be classified as separate species. Not sub-species. Either that, or Gorilla gorilla and Gorilla beringei should not be classified as separate species. You must pick one or the other position. You cannot have it both ways.
From: A real Scientist
on December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Sorry it’s taken so long. I’ve been crawling around under the kitchen sink, painting the inside of the cabinet before I put doors on. If someone asks me my racial affiliation, I can truly say, “Antique White”.
(Ibuprofen…)
on December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Never heard of the Green Sahara, the Saharan Pump, the Kiffians, or the Tenerians, did you? I’m not even going to ask you for your archaeology or anthropology credentials, either. I knew more about that than you do now when I was in seventh grade. You get the Lead Dunce Cap.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Eugene: …”A real scientist.”
Uh-HUH. Sure. Thousands wouldn’t believe you, I do. Why don’t you post that PhD of yours so we can see. And it’d better be from a REAL university too.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
You better listen to Eugene, he has a masters degree in Eugenics from David Duke University :P
on December 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
A real scientist? LMAO. I had no idea you could get a science degree in Cut and Paste Idiocy.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
So you took some arbitrary date in history and stamped “wild” on everything before that date? Does that mean everything after the Neolithic is “domestic”? Who is domesticating us? Since reproduction between different “races” has been going on for thousands of years now, does this even matter?
Which of those two gorilla species is “more evolved”? And what does that even mean, since it appears not to actually mean anything?
Define “white”.
PS: A real scientist would never actually call him/herself “a real scientist” unironically in a discussion with lay strangers over the internet.
on December 3rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
i kind of get the impression that Eugenics Eugene couldn’t meet the admissions standards for a diploma mill – his check bounced :)
on December 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Ian, Gregory, Erika, Supersonic, Reynardine, et. al
I do indeed have a Ph.D. and teach at the university level (I have tenure).
Is it your position that the two species of gorilla (Gorilla gorilla and Gorilla beringei) should be re-classified as a single species?
If two individuals are of the same species, they can mate and produce fertile offspring. But the converse is not always true. If two individuals can mate and produce fertile offspring, that does not automatically mean they are of the same species. Here is an example: Foxes, wolves, dogs, coyotes, and jackals can mate and produce fertile offspring. Yet scientists still classify them as separate species. This is a simple fact you can look up yourself. Lay persons often think the ability to mate and produce fertile offspring is the only criterion for species classification used by biologists. It is not. Geographic separation is another criterion. In the case of foxes and wolves, they often live in the same geographic area, yet rarely mate. Occasionally, hybrids are produced. Biologists have still chosen to classify them as separate species. Here is a Wikipedia link suited for lay discussion (scroll down to the Canid interfertility chart): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid
on December 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
“From: A real Scientist”
LOL. Just…LOL.
on December 4th, 2012 at 1:48 am
Bad science: bending evidence to fit (and “prove”) one’s biases.
Bad science: contriving false equivalencies to fit (and “prove”) one’s biases.
Using species classification systems the way Eugene did is both examples of bad science in one burst of stupidity. Cool! Double moron!
Gorillas don’t use language to communicate. People do.
on December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Chances are what Eugene is talking about is that he has improved his counting skills tremendously while bagging groceries, not to mention his critical thinking abilities (“paper or plastic?”). Remember, sufficiently advanced technology, such as a conveyor belt, will always appear a marvel to the ignorant.
on December 4th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Eugenics Eugene, my daddy happens to be a real university professor in one of the hard sciences so i happen to know how this works.
Please post a link to your Ph.D. dissertation or at least its listing – all Ph.D. dissentations from reputable universities are published.
Please post a link to the website of the institution which awarded your Ph.D. along with accreditation information. In other words, prove that if you do in fact have a Ph.D. it did not come from an institution such as Bob Jones University or Patriot Bible College.
Please provide a link to the website of the instiution that awarded your undergraduate and if applicable masters degree and again provide accreditation information.
Please provide a link to the website of the instiution along with accreditiation of the institution that you provided.
Please provide a link to the webpage showing your listing.
Please provide a link to the webpage of any institution that has provided research grants to you such as the National Science Foundation, US Government, private foundations, as well as links to any previous academic or research employers.
Please provide a list of publications which have published your works as well as a link to their publication criteria.
Or just provide your actual name – if you really are a professor we could find all of that through a Google search.
Come on, sweetie, if you really were a professor, you could provide all of this immediately (or at least allow us to look it up).
And sorry, i’m just not going to take your word for it – if you really were who you say you are you could prove it (and honey, trust me, a real scientist wouldn’t be providing a wikipedia link)
on December 4th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Eugene, I award you a lead propeller for your lead dunce cap. Though members of the genus Canis do produce offspring with some degree of fertility, the canini and vulpini do not produce offspring at all, and the false alarms have proven to be either foxy-appearing dogs, or on occasion, a gray fox (Urocyon), larger and more canine-appearing than members of the genus Vulpes. The gray and red foxes cannot even produce offspring, reports of such animals always proving to be the cross phase of Vulpes fulva.
I do not believe your degree stands for anything but Piled Higher and Deeper.
on December 4th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Eugene, you haven’t answered any of my questions.
What have you published? Even if you are telling the truth about being a professor with a Ph.D, that does not make you a scientist until you published something. Often. Name your exact field and list a citation of something you published in that field.
And it better have something to do with either anthropology or biology, otherwise your opinion is as good as your local plummer’s.
And answer my questions.
on December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Eugene- …I said it before, I’ll say it again… PROVE IT. If you’re a PhD, then post it. Until then, you’re not only stupid, you’re a liar.
on December 4th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Eugene, you’re a ‘tenured professor,’ and yet you provide a link to Wikipedia?
That dog won’t hunt, Monsignor.
on December 4th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I was inspired to look up a picture of my childhood friend, Bushman, in whose face could be seen the qualities of intelligence, dignity, and nobility. Eugene, you should look so good.
on December 4th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Eugene,
Please direct us to the research that shows sufficient DNA divergence amongst living human populations to justify division into separate species. Until then, your gorilla analogy is not valid and, frankly, makes you look like an idiot.
Or, as I speculated earlier, you are merely the latest incarnation of our resident troll-by-committee, JasonAnnieEzra.
on December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Gregory, by the natiure of his writing style and claims to academic standing, I suspect he may instead be our prior high-winded fraud, Deep Ecology.
on December 4th, 2012 at 10:52 am
i’m seriously confused by Eugenics Eugene’s claim because generally the Bob Jones Universities of the world have no tenure (the better to control their employees after all)
on December 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Read it and weep, Eugene. Vulpes fulva.
on December 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Rey,
That thought also crossed my mind. It is likely that the Germans and Austrians were none too impressed with his bullshit either.
on December 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I don’t understand what all the fuss would be about over a small compound of people that believe a little differently than others. We need to be tolerant of other people’s beliefs.
on December 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Well, Shane, you can believe the moon is made of green cheese, but you still have to pay your mortgage and observe any reversionary clauses.
on December 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
In 2001 mitochondrial DNA research and morphological variances led to the scientific reclassification of gorillas. Under the new classification gorillas are divided into two species, the eastern gorilla (Gorilla beringei) and the western gorilla (Gorilla gorilla). It is thought that the two species diverged from one another about 2 million years ago and both have two subspecies. It is all in the DNA. If variances show up in humans, then using this logic, a re-classification of existing human populations will be required. There could be more than one species of Man on this planet. There are many such examples where scientists got it wrong. Pluto was once considered a planet, but in 2006 astronomers reclassified Pluto as a dwarf planet There are objects further out in the Kuiper belt of similar size. So you see, the scientists were wrong. A re-classification was required. In that same way, I believe future scientists will reclassify blacks as a separate species. Future generations will laugh at your ignorance.
on December 4th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Eugenics Eugene, your failure to answer any of my questions speaks volumes.
on December 4th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Just because scientists (a term you suddenly seem to be using in the third person) were incorrect about subject A does not mean you are correct about subject B. Hell, I can play that game too:
Scientists were wrong about cold fusion, ergo badgers actually have gills and can fly into space.
Are you claiming that these two alleged human species “diverged from one another about 2 million years ago”? Are you suggesting that whites and blacks have subspecies? How many? Are the Irish and the English subspecies? Are the Koreans white or black? You’ve only mentioned two human species, so I’m assuming they’re either white or black? What about Arabs, Turks, or Greeks? Amerindians? Australian Aborigines?
on December 4th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Having a Ph.D. doesn’t make one a “real scientist” any more than getting elected to public office makes one an honest leader.
By Eugene’s “scientific” reasoning, classification systems of living creatures, which are intrinsically somewhat arbitrary in the features they use for categorization, are a way to separate “black” and “white” people into separate “species”, thereby supporting his claim that “black” people are less intelligent (etc.) than “white” people.
One problem (of many) with this is that under Eugene’s reasoning, any other difference by which we could categorize humans can also be just as relevantly used to claim one group as inferior to another. Eugene could claim (if his biases leaned in these directions) that women are less (or more) intelligent than men, brown-eyed people are more “developed” than blue-eyed people, tall people are braver than short people, and so on. “Future scientists will classify people with outie and innie belly buttons as separate species, and future generations will laugh at your ignorance!”
By claiming to be a scientist to bolster his notions, and by citing the classification system used by scientists now, Eugene seems to posssess some respect for hard science, with its established record of contributions of new knowledge to the human species. However, all real scientists would regard his claims about gorillas and people as beyond asinine.
on December 4th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I suspect Eugene is decompensating. Maybe Vulpes fulva (cross phase) was too much for him.
on December 4th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
You are free to push any theory you choose, Eugene, but it doesn’t mean it is reflective of reality or real science. I noticed that in all you wrote about how blacks and whites differ, you totally forgot to mention that archeological research has revealed that everyone on the planet is a descendant of an ancient black female in Africa who archeologists dubbed “Eve.” If this is so, the differences you listed are invalid. Also, recent scientific research has revealed that there are no “pure” races. We’re all “mongrels” so to speak. The closest example of a “pure” race today are the Japanese, and this is largely due to their restrictive immigration policy and their culture. Try again.
on December 4th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Getting to the awards List, which I have given out piecemeal..getting to it. Today, carried and sorted by size a stack of wood pallets, which have yet to be dressed with linseed and turpentine and, when sufficiently supple, knocked apart with a hammer, gray-primed, and assembled into fencing. With any luck I’ll have the whole duniewassle in by early February, before stuff starts to grow. But I will get to the rest of those damned awards.
on December 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Kiwiwriter provides some interesting information and challenges to Eugene, who I happen to think *is* copying and pasting text.
However, I don’t think that Eugene’s claims go on strict personal levels. He is talking about group dynamics and whatnot. Ideological racists won’t hear individual exceptions like Ralphe Bunche and the rest because they are considered mulattoes (Maya’s great-grandmother got pregnant by a White man, etc..), or at least cream of the crop. Same with beauty, a racist if admitting that they find a Black person attractive or whatnot, will say that they still can find 20 more good-looking members of their own race.
I think one ironic thing is that if Aryans do have any genetic affinity with European peoples, it would be the Slavs. Tamil is related to Finnish, I hear, and Lithuanian to Sanskrit. “Aryan Elite” and all of that is pushing it. But the whole thing of Germany trying to conquer the world is false. They are the size of an American state or two, and vastly out-numbered in land territory and population to begin with. However, lets not assume that good always triumphs either. I think it all flows with the idea that “superior” is always outnumbered by “inferior”. Thats why racists are concerned about their 10 outnumbered by 50, or whatever the ratio. Just because a mass of people believes something, it doesn’t make it true. I think stickers in men’s restrooms are a step up from Swastikas, wouldn’t you say?
Now, as to Marxism. I have to play Devil’s Advocate here, and say that while Marx probably never wrote about promotion of “race mixing” as Eugene might claim, there is no Socialist or Marxist or Communist not in favor of it or that promotes it.
One gets the assumption from Kiwiwriter that to have racial beliefs, or stress biopolitics over geopolitics, that one is lacking in traits such as: love, compassion, respect or decency. Well, once again I have to pose some arguments.
How does having a “melting pot” of many different peoples, cultures and religions preserve all that diversity without them being essentially turning into a monoculture blend? Isn’t that what is being called for, a blended humanity?
How is decency maintained if and when “degeneracy” is allowed and/or promoted? Note that “degeneracy” has different definitons. Isn’t “tolerance” and “apathy” signs of a decaying society?
I could write more, but I am sure that somebody will take the time to respond to these questions, and then some. Thanks.
on December 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Oh Christ. Now badgers can breathe underwater AND fly into space?
We’re all doomed.
Gonna have to find some mushrooms and snakes.
on December 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am
“How is decency maintained if and when “degeneracy” is allowed and/or promoted? Note that “degeneracy” has different definitons. Isn’t “tolerance” and “apathy” signs of a decaying society?”
Please expand on this, Shane. I can’t wait to hear your definition of degeneracy.
on December 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Maybe my definition of “degeneracy” is militant racism, Shane, and maybe I consider your ordering us to be tolerant towards it as an act of degeneracy.
on December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Quite suddenly, the previously simple Shane is writing in a style reminiscent of Deep Ecology and Eugene. Has another committee member taken over? Have we got, perhaps, a sock puppet who forgot to stay in character?
on December 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Rey,
Eugene posted this in another thread, ” They publish stories that match their worldview.”
JasonAnnieEzra is back.
on December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am
In regards to your request for clarification, Gregory, I understood beforehand that the notions themselves are relative and are indeed open to differing opinions, and was merely asking in regards to the concepts themselves. For the record, however, the dictionaries have decency defining as “conformity to prevailing standards of propriety or modesty.” Whereas degeneracy defines as “having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.”
What I am especially at odds with, is the idea that somehow having a “melting pot” of many different peoples, cultures and religions helps to preserve all that diversity without them being essentially turned into a monocultural blend. Mixed up is synonymous with confusion, is it not? Racial differences aren’t said to be important, but then again, race seems to be the *key ingredient* in the blend. A melting pot is where a variety of races, cultures, or individuals supposed to assimilate into a cohesive whole, yet assimilate itself means to make similar and be taken in and cohesiveness means to stick together, yet it is mainly similarity which builds cohesiveness. The idea of assimilation itself means a minority submitting to the majority.The idea of “Coexist” can’t stand without a weakening of religious beliefs in part or whole in the adherent, and rejection of the fundamental beliefs which make the religion itself unique.
on December 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Shane-committee: go tell the Amazon or the Orinoco to separate out all its tributaries, and you’ll have better success. For this, you are at least twenty thousand years too late.
on December 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
And probably more like forty thousand.
on December 5th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Shane,
You used a lot of words, yet said very little. Maybe Rey is correct…
You seem to be fixated on an archaic concept of the “melting pot”, a topic that you introduced to the thread. You seem to believe that different cultures in proximity inevitably leads to the degradation of both. Again, this position sounds very much like that espoused by a previous commenter who fled after being thrashed by Reynardine.
on December 5th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Well, Shane, if by “Aryans” you mean “Indo-Iranians” you got one thing right: both the Indo-Iranian and Slavic languages belong to the Eastern, “satem”, group of Indo-European languages, though that does not mean all the speakers share a common ancestry. Tamil is a Dravidian language and Finnish is part of the Finno-Ugric language family, so the only provable relationship is that of human speech. Lithuanian (and the other Baltic languages, like Latvian and the extinct Old Prussian and Kurish) is a satem language, but has no other relation to Sanskrit.
As someone who is constructively, and in part, German, I admit with shame that that nation, when less than a hundred years old, did try to conquer a very sizeable part of the world. They thought they weren’t big enough, and indeed, they proved not to be. If you mean nowadays, well, most of them know better.
This is not a forum in which to display false, or even shaky scholarship. You are likely to wind up cat-thrashed.
on December 6th, 2012 at 6:31 am
“Now, as to Marxism. I have to play Devil’s Advocate here, and say that while Marx probably never wrote about promotion of “race mixing” as Eugene might claim, there is no Socialist or Marxist or Communist not in favor of it or that promotes it.”
Marxists don’t care about “race mixing.” History shows that given the right conditions, all human beings have the capacity to produce and be useful to society in one way or another. Incidentally, all existing socialist states promoted national culture.
on December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
To those who have, or have tried to, contact me at the address I gave, that account appears to have been haywired. It should be straightened out shortly.
on December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am
And I am further blessed with the prodromal stages of flu. Good night, sweet prince (collectively, y’all!)
on December 6th, 2012 at 11:32 am
“The idea of “Coexist” can’t stand without a weakening of religious beliefs in part or whole in the adherent, and rejection of the fundamental beliefs which make the religion itself unique.”
I know a Quaker who is also a Zen Buddhist and there is no conflict whatsoever. In fact the religious expression of each tradition is enhanced by this dual practice. The Baha’i faith is another example where your idea fails. Furthermore, Christmas is actually a fusion with the Syrian sun cult of Mithras, carried out under Constantine. Again and again you are proven wrong, child.
on December 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I have questions for the room:
On Monday, an African American man, Naeem Davis, pushed an Asian American man, Ki-Suck Han, into the path of an oncomming subway train in New York at the Times Square statio. My questions are:
1.) Do you believe this was an inter-racial attack? (some people say there is no such thing as race. Fair enough. If that is true, then there is be no way to identify the race of the attacker and victim. There is no such thing as ‘Black’, ‘Asian’, ‘White’. We’re all one race, the human race).
2.) Should Naeem Davis be investigated for hate crime charges?
3.) Note: This is a perfect test case, because there was no ‘white’ person involved in the crime. Neither victim or assailant was ‘white’.
4.) If there’s ‘no such thing as race’, and ‘we’re all one race, the human race’, then any hate crime charge based on race must be eliminated. Because there’s no way to ever identify a person’s race. Is the victim ‘Black’, ‘Asian’, etc … it’s impossible to determine because there’s no such thing as race. They were just human beings.
5.) No ‘white’ person must ever be charged with a hate crime again, because there’s no such thing as ‘white’. It’s an optical illusion. We all have a common African ancestor.
on December 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Rey I think Deep Ecology is too much of a narcissist to stray into this territory. I believe of the two buffoons, Deep Ecology has the greater mind, and can be distinguished by intricate sophistries around certain themes of quasi-altriusm with an attempt to belittle the interlocutor rather than offend. There is the characteristic smirking emphasis on _kultur_ which Shane cannot possibly understand, being utterly a philistine. Also, Deep writes, as do all narcissists, from an aching need to be admired. Shane cares little for this and draws his satisfaction from nettling others with different points of view.
There is nothing lost in the comparison however; why, how else should we ever know the difference between deer and rabbit scoots, for example, but by careful examination?
on December 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Eugene said,
ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2012 AT 11:43 AM
“How do you know that Wade Michael Page was “white”? Race does not exist. It’s an optical illusion. That’s what I see people posting on here all the time.
Now, If there’s no such thing as ‘race’, then ‘racists’ don’t exist either. It’s an optical illusion. Wade Michael Page descended from the same common African ancestor as his victims did.”
Eugene said,
ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2012 AT 11:37
5.) No ‘white’ person must ever be charged with a hate crime again, because there’s no such thing as ‘white’. It’s an optical illusion. We all have a common African ancestor.
Your slip is showing.
on December 6th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Well, Aadila, deer scat is bigger. Pig scat is particularly large, and characterized by an unpleasant odor.
Now, now, Eugene, step aside and let the grownups work on the crime scene.
on December 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Eugene,
It all depends upon intent. There is the possibility this was a bias crime, just as there is a possibility this was not a bias crime.
I have noticed, though, that you have managed to duck every one of our attempts to verify your professorial status. Care to enlighten us?
on December 6th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Eugene: I don’t know about the others, but I think we should refuse to even acknowledge you until you post that PhD or any sort of information that proves that you are, in fact, a “real scientist.”
…Also, no, it WASN’T a hate crime because there was no race bias involved, idiot.
on December 6th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Eugene- Sorry, just realized that BECAUSE you’re an idiot, you don’t understand the term race-bias OR what a hate crime is.
Y’see… IF the guy pushed the other guy into the train BECAUSE he was Asian… THEN it’s a hate crime and should be charged…
…But he did it because he’s mentally ILL, and NOT because the victim was of another race… You massive TOOL.
on December 7th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Eugene,
Of course, there’s such a thing as “race”, especially in the sense that people perceive race as a viable construct and behave according to their perception. Children believe in Santa Claus and therefore behave in certain ways based on that perception. Unlike with children’s perceptions of Santa, racists’ perception of race often involves especially nasty and destructive criminal behavior, so we have a hate crime category.
Did someone drop you on your head when you were a baby?
on December 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Adamhill, it’s kind of like the difference between Santa Claus and Satan Claus. Neither one is real, but which one you believe in affects your behavior.
on December 9th, 2012 at 12:48 am
I love Eugene’s latest post because I can see this moron using the same argument on Stormfront and getting all kinds of praise before he posted it here thinking, ‘THIS will show ‘em.’ Now it’s my turn to break another heart.
“1.) Do you believe this was an inter-racial attack? (some people say there is no such thing as race. Fair enough. If that is true, then there is be no way to identify the race of the attacker and victim. There is no such thing as ‘Black’, ‘Asian’, ‘White’. We’re all one race, the human race).”
“Race” as you call it is a social construct based on certain physical features and cultural norms at a particular point in time. For example, Irish people are considered white today, but they weren’t in the past. In fact in the past “white” wasn’t so important as “Anglo-Saxon”, which was also called a “race.” Moreover, a Turk or Arab is not going to be considered “white” by your average American no matter how closely they fit the phenotype. In other words, race is cultural(hence, social construct), not biological. There is no proof that having a collection of genes which give you blond hair or blue eyes also confers those genes which make you more intelligent, athletic, etc.
“2.) Should Naeem Davis be investigated for hate crime charges?”
Hmmm…I don’t know. Is there any evidence that Davis attacked the victim because of his perceived ethnicity.
“3.) Note: This is a perfect test case, because there was no ‘white’ person involved in the crime. Neither victim or assailant was ‘white’.”
Uh, WHY is this the perfect case exactly? Oh, because of your idiotic arbitrary criteria. Ok.
“4.) If there’s ‘no such thing as race’, and ‘we’re all one race, the human race’, then any hate crime charge based on race must be eliminated. Because there’s no way to ever identify a person’s race. Is the victim ‘Black’, ‘Asian’, etc … it’s impossible to determine because there’s no such thing as race. They were just human beings.”
And you’re just a moron. First of all, nobody denies genetic variation within populations. The problem for you is that nobody can draw a line and say- “These people are white, black, etc.” The thing is though, that in America you say this man is white, this man is “Asian,” etc. In East Asia they wouldn’t divide people that way. A Korean does not see himself as being part of a “race” which includes Han Chinese and Japanese.
“5.) No ‘white’ person must ever be charged with a hate crime again, because there’s no such thing as ‘white’. It’s an optical illusion. We all have a common African ancestor.”
Tell me the truth- You got a lot of rep for this on Stormfront. Now how do you feel when it has totally failed in the real world?
White Nationalism = Perverts, sex offenders, socially awkward dorks, pseudo-intellectuals, and con-men.
on December 9th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Black people in America are not being oppressed. Almost all have colour television sets, refrigerators, cars, electricity, and running water. They obviously have freedom of movement because they’re every. And many Blacks are overweight. Anyone who is overweight is obviously well fed. There was a famine in Ukraine during the 1920′s and millions died, and they were all white people. I definitely see a lot of overweight Black people when I go to the supermarket or shopping mall. By either worldwide standards or historical standards, Blacks in America are very lucky. They benefit from welfare, food stamps, medicaid. There’s a vast array of social programs they disproportionately take advantage of. A lot of Blacks are on welfare and food stamps. The reason so many Black men are in prison is because they commit a lot of crimes and many are violent, are hooked on drugs, and have low morals. 70% of Black babies are born out of wedlock. Obviously a lot of Black men are getting their own women pregnant, then refuse to marry the girl or pay child support. I don’t think we as white people owe them anything.
on December 10th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Eugene, judging by your spelling, you’re not in America. But considering you simply copied and pasted the screed above, I’ll issue you a pass on grounds of sheer, insurmountable idiocy.
on December 10th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Eugene, you must be a committee, because, though your bigotry is consistent, the style of your stupidity varies from day to day.
on December 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Euguene,
Do you still claim to be a real scientist? You’ve proved beyond any doubt that you are an idiot but you have yet to produce any credentials to back your claim.
on December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Aron, thank you for spotting the isograph. Perhaps my own discernment flu out the window, or perhaps, like you, I assumed a non-American bigot would use different memes. But perhaps we should check his past spelling for consistency.
And now to find out which side of the Pond he’s from. Eugene, do you, or do you not, ever sit on your fanny?
on December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Gee Eugene, the more you write, the less you sound like a “real scientist!”
“Black people in America are not being oppressed. Almost all have colour television sets, refrigerators, cars, electricity, and running water.”
LOL WUT
There are Kurds and Palestinians who have color TVs, refrigerators, cars, electricity, and running water. What kind of “science” do you do again? The kind that doesn’t require basic critical thinking?
“They obviously have freedom of movement because they’re every.”
They’re every WHAT? Aren’t you one of those types who whines about people not speaking English in America?
” And many Blacks are overweight. Anyone who is overweight is obviously well fed.”
BZZZZT! Wrong. This theory was put to rest back in the 19th century. It is very easy for poor people to get overweight because cheap foods tend to have a lot of refined carbohydrates and sugar.
” There was a famine in Ukraine during the 1920’s and millions died, and they were all white people.”
1. It was in 1931-32, also known as the 30′s.
2. They weren’t “white” people; they were Ukrainians(and I’d imagine some Crimean Tatars, people you wouldn’t off-the-bat consider to be white).
3. How does a famine, in an area which has a history of famine, make Ukrainians oppressed? The government was full of mostly what you would call “white” people, and Ukrainians were certainly not oppressed at all.
“They benefit from welfare, food stamps, medicaid. There’s a vast array of social programs they disproportionately take advantage of.”
Whites can take advantage of all those programs too. In fact, most welfare recipients are white, and that’s not even including farm subsidies. You already know this, which is why you put “disproportionately take advantage of.” You also forget that food stamps is a form of subsidy as well.
” A lot of Blacks are on welfare and food stamps.”
Far fewer than whites. And whether white or black, what makes you assume these people are on food stamps because of their own decisions? Many people go on food stamps because they become ill or injured and can’t work. Others end up on food stamps because of a divorce or they get laid off. Many welfare recipients are the families of active duty military members who are serving abroad.
” The reason so many Black men are in prison is because they commit a lot of crimes and many are violent, are hooked on drugs, and have low morals.”
Evidence?
” 70% of Black babies are born out of wedlock.”
I don’t know where you got this statistic but a similar statistic was debunked because the fertility of black married women had fallen so drastically.
Eugene, it’s amazing how stupid and ignorant you are. And you’re trying to claim that “whites” are superior? Of course you are, because if being white is considered an accomplishment you’d have at least one thing going for you.
on December 10th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
“Irish people are considered white today, but they weren’t in the past.”
Citizens in the U.S. of colonial-era ancestry felt animus, just as ANY nation or community of people will always feel, towards a fast-growing ethnic group of IMMIGRANTS, and codified those feelings into law in order to protect their own socio-economic interests. Then those feelings disappeared a few generations later when those immigrant groups lost their accents, and the Roman Catholic Church had clearly shown no inclinations toward war against all the Protestant countries using their loyal subjects in America. So, immigration, followed by the ethnic tension and conflict that comes with it, followed by assimilation, means . . . RACE DOESN’T EXIST? To the simple-minded race-denialist, yes. Good going, Bill Nye the Science Guy!
“Moreover, a Turk or Arab is not going to be considered “white” by your average American no matter how closely they fit the phenotype.”
Yes they are, by this American. They may normally be Muslim and a little darker-skinned than me, and those two characteristics make them quite different from me, but race is immutable no matter one person’s feelings toward another’s religion or literal skin color.
on December 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Ruslan, Aron, Reynardine, et. al,
Whenever I debate Leftists I ask the three things:
1.) Compared to what?
2.) What is the cost?
3.) Show me your data
This is how I deconstruct their argument.
1.) Compared to what? >> Blacks in America certainly are well off. Compare with other societies, past and present. In the early 18th century it was still not uncommon to see dead babies on trash heaps in European cities. Famine was not uncommon. I’ve seen many Blacks that are very overweight, as many Americans are. Obviously, they are not poor. Anyone who is really fat, by comparison with historical events, is not poor. I’ve been in supermarkets and shopping malls in America. A lot of people are really fat.
Ruslan: Yes. There are many historical examples of famine. For you to nitpick me about date in Ukraine shows lack of compassion. You do not care about the millions who starved. Rather you pick at small details. There were actually two separate famines that occurred in Ukraine. I will not waste my time with you. Look. All you have to do, is go to the supermaket in America, or shopping mall, and you will see with your own eyes, there are a lot of really fat people. They are not poor. They are not victims. They are not oppressed. My answer to you is: go away. You have no understanding of people who truly suffered under famine.
Again, I ask the question: In comparison to what? I saw a documentary on TV last week about blacks in Africa. They were living in mud huts with thatched roofs. No electricity, no running water. They were sticking bones through their noses and elongating their lower lips with wooden palates. They’re living in the stone age. Blacks in America are far better off than Blacks in Africa. I’ve seen many black women in supermarkets in America, they are really fat with big fat behinds, and many of they are really loud and pushy. I do know that the condition of large buttocks is a primary sexual presentation in primates. It’s as though these people have evolved in a primitive way. I’ve seen so-called music videos on American TV and there are many of these Black females, very fat, with large buttocks. They are loud and pushy with no manners. They are very aggressive. These people are not “oppressed”. You are a crazy person. I want you to go away. These Blacks in America, they are not my people. I am not interested in them.
on December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Ruslan, though I do not believe you suffer fools gladly, your explanation to this one is not only comprehensive, your patience in offering it commands my admiration.
I think Eugene has more or less confounded the Holodomor with events occurring a decade earlier, as a consequence of the Russian Civil War. Oddly, he seems to be unaware of those resulting a decade later from the German occupation.
A further reason why malnutrition can be coupled with obesity is that people who undergo prolonged food deprivation experience a long-term change in metabolism that causes them to wrest every last calorie out of the food they eat and store it as fat. That is why concentration camp survivors often became morbidly obese on small meals in later years, and why drastic dieting is not recommended these days (You know, that famous Ten Days, Ten Pounds Off Diet? More like Twenty Days, Thirty Pounds Back).
on December 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
And now, Eugene, answer my question: do you ever sit on your fanny or not?
on December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Well, Shane, I apologize for not getting back to you, but I have a real life, job, and family, and don’t have much time. So with you I will be brief.
You, not I, brought up the ideas of “melting pot” and “degeneracy,” so I will not waste time with your arguments, except to ask, how do you define “degeneracy” and “race-mixing?”
As for this:
“One gets the assumption from Kiwiwriter that to have racial beliefs, or stress biopolitics over geopolitics, that one is lacking in traits such as: love, compassion, respect or decency.”
Yes, the people who have used racism, racial theory, racist acts, and racist behaviors do indeed lack love, compassion, respect, and decency, I stand on that, and if you scroll through the entirety of this very web page, which only covers the last 10 to 15 years of racism in America, you will find that people who put racist beliefs into action do indeed lack those traits. They can be judged by their hateful deeds and words, and they are a trail of pain, violence, sadism, and inhumanity.
There is no excuse for these misdeeds, no justification for them, and their legacy is only pain…both needlessly inflicted upon their victims..and upon the actors. I will not hesitate to add that some of the greatest victims of racism are the racists themselves, who destroy the lives of themselves and their loved ones in pursuit of their ignoble causes.
If you seek references and examples, Shane, read the entirety of this web page.
So much for business, on to pleasure, my buddy Eugene/Ezra/Jason/Annie, who tells us that blacks in America are doing well because they are overweight, among many other hilarities.
Obviously Eugene/Ezra/Jason/Annie doesn’t realize that the cheapest foods available are the least nutritious and most fattening, so if he/she/it sees overweight blacks, it doesn’t mean they’re doing well at all…it means they’re eating lousy food that does nothing but make them obese.
However, we are still eagerly awaiting the following from Ezra/Jason/Annie/Eugene:
1. Telling us where he got his Ph.D.
2. Telling us where he teaches
3. His explanation on why being a neo-Nazi is a good thing (thought I forgot that, did you?)
4. Telling us how he managed to change his sex
5. Telling us where we were supposed to send our resumes to help you “build a profile” on us!
So, in the interests of consistency, I’ll give Eugene/Ezra/Jason/Annie the same response I’ve been giving him as he’s been rolling right along with his whiny drivel.
Hey, Ezra/Jason/Annie/Eugene: I came, I saw, I watched your video, and couldn’t stop laughing at its fatuity.
Anyway, you’re getting snotty little comments back at you, because YOU STARTED THEM! And no, you’re not a fake. We don’ t think you’re a fake. Distorted, stupid, idiotic, a cut-and-paster, dumb, a spouter of silly ideas, a coward, a fool, condescending, whiney, smug, a troll, a cretin, a misguided individual, a waste of the talents God gives to people, not armed with the good sense God gave maggots, an embarrassment to white people, someone who needs a real life and to get out of his parents’ basement, signed up with a silly cause, pathetic, entertaining, hilarious, and the biggest source of laughs on this site outside of Bungalow Boob.
For example, Ezra/Jason/Annie, do you remember, a few blog entries ago, demanding all kinds of information from us for those “profiles” you were building? You asked for our sexual preferences, our arrest history, our debt levels, and our resume for the past 10 years.
Now, you never made those profiles, didn’t tell us what it was all for, heck, you didn’t even give us an e-mail address or a mailing address where we were supposed to send our resumes for the past 10 years to! Where was I supposed to send that, Goofy? Fascists-Are-Us? Care of the Obseralzberg?
And how about some of the other idiotic statements you’ve made? Take a look below. Remember spouting them? Do you expect us to give you even the slightest droplets of respect when you come out with such clangers? When you don’t answer our requests for proof and to back up your idiocies?
We treat people who give childish and puerile outbursts around here with exactly what they deserve: snappy answers to stupid questions. No more, no less.
That’s all you get, because that’s all you’re worth. As Corinthians says, it’s time you put away childish things. Don’t like the world? Tough. Live in it. The world didn’t turn out the way you wanted? Tougher. Get a helmet.Not happy that “minorities” are outnumbering whites? Go marry a girl who looks like Linda Evans, complete with shoulder pads, and raise a baseball team of kids on a compound somewhere, with like-minded looney tunes, totally separated from the real world, and see how long that lasts before it starts falling down from incompetence and paranoia. Nobody’s stopping you. Nobody even cares.
Until you get a clue, and get some help, and start asking real questions, seeking real answers, all you will get around here will be derision and re-runs. That’s all you’re worth. To us, you’re just entertainment.
So in that vein, here comes my standard re-run for you.
Annie/Jason/Ezra/Eugene lives in a nice little house, right next to reality.
I gotta tell you, though, this is a lot funnier than Bungalow Boob…he hasn’t shown up lately. I miss him.
So Annie/Jason/Ezra/Eugene, what happened with those profiles you were building of all the members of this forum? When are you going to create that web page with your worldview and your biting, incisive, well-researched analysis?
Anyway, here’s my stock response to Annie/Jason/Ezra/Eugene, just so that I can be “as constant as the Northern Star:”
Annie/Jason Smith/Ezra Mead/Eugene is back again!
Complete with revolving sex changes…here strictly to derail the discussion!
So, Annie/Jason/Ezra Mead…do tell us how the Holocaust never happened!
Then tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers!
Then tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler!
Then show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man!
And tell us again how you’ll prove it to us, only if we pay you vast sums of money, showing that you’re into neo-Nazism and junior Fascism for that noblest of purposes…the money!
Then you can give us citations and evidence for all these wacky ideas!
Until then, the tumbrels await for you!
See? I don’t even have to think in dealing with him/her/it…I just cut-and-paste my own stuff!
I still miss Bungalow Boob, though.
The Thurm be with you, Jason/Annie/Ezra/Eugene.
And when are you going to do that profile of us?
on December 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Anyway, Ezra/Jason/Annie/Eugene and Shane are just here for one purpose: to derail the discussion, so I’ll get back to it:
The neo-neo-Nazis have to sell their compound? Tough beansies. That’s life in the paranoid compound game, folks. Next time, fill out ALL the paperwork before making the purchase. Caveat emptor and all that.
Of course, these guys can’t really set up their own separate society…a problem with paranoids is that they need enemies, if only to excuse their own failures. Once their society starts falling on its ass, they’ll only have each other to blame, and they’ll start seceding from each other.
Also, they won’t be happy unless they have their internet connection, so they can whine on Stormfront about Jews and “race-mixing.” I love how obsessed they are with the latter. Must be because they can’t convince girls to go out with them, unless they fork over the $500 up front.
on December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I completely forgot, but I will take care of it:
Hey, Eugene/Ezra/Jason/Annie, I counted the total number of questions about the incident on the New York Subway that you gave.
You only gave two questions, but had five enumerated statements. Didn’t you learn to count while getting that Ph.D. from “Diplomas-R-Us?”
Anyway, it turns out that Naeem is just a garden-variety lunatic, not a racist. He seems to have committed his horror because of the bats flying around his head.
Which explains you pretty efficiently, as well.
What happened with those resumes you wanted from us?
on December 11th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Brook, genotype may be immutable, but “race” is not. In South Africa, during apartheid, there were recorded cases of “white” people being reclassed as “coloured” and subjected to the legal disabilities appertaining thereto, after they developed Addison’s disease (which darkens the skin). I could cite numerous other examples, such as the reclassification of Native American and previously “white” families in Virginia as “colored” at the beginning of the Twentieth Century, with their subsequent disenfranchisement: in the first instance, on the dogmatic belief that people were either “white” or “colored”; in the second, on flimsy evidence or none, regarding remote ancestry. Based on this arbitrary reclassification, quite a few people were sterilized. If you don’t believe me, read “War Against the Weak”, by Edwin Black.
on December 11th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Eugene, because of the strictness of our Hays Office, I cannot adequately describe the effrontery of your coming onto our turf, spouting offensive matter, and then telling Ruslan to go away. Suffice it to say that, in making your equipment, several brass foundries must have exhausted their resources.
on December 11th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Incidentally, we have another anthropological misrepresentation from Eugene. Large buttocks are not only not the “primary method of sexual presentation” among primates; most primates don’t even have them. Apart from ourselves, only gorillas have well-developed glutes, which they need to hold their massive weight upright even occasionally. Some primates have pigmented areas, most notably mandrills; some anthropoid females develop oestral swellings; human beings do neither. Meanwhile, I am sorry if you are afraid of black women being rude to you in the grocery store. Perhaps, if you insist on staring at their buttocks, you should be less obvious about it.
on December 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Eugene, when you haven’t shown us a lick of data, don’t be demanding ours. Remember, you’re the one making a claim. The burden of proof is on you.
“Ruslan: Yes. There are many historical examples of famine. For you to nitpick me about date in Ukraine shows lack of compassion.”
Sorry but it’s not a nitpick, any more than pointing out that the Holocaust didn’t happen in 1937-38. The time is very important because when people try to claim that it was “man-made” one needs to consider a lot of historical context.
” You do not care about the millions who starved. Rather you pick at small details. There were actually two separate famines that occurred in Ukraine.”
Unlike you, I live near Ukraine and I have been there four times. And from what I’ve seen over the last twenty years makes me far more concerned about the Ukrainian population TODAY and their future, not those who died in what was more or less inevitable.
And actually there were three famines in Soviet Ukraine, the last being due to the war. It was the last of over 400 recorded famines in the region.
“All you have to do, is go to the supermaket in America, or shopping mall, and you will see with your own eyes, there are a lot of really fat people. They are not poor. They are not victims. They are not oppressed. My answer to you is: go away. You have no understanding of people who truly suffered under famine.”
This is one of the most childish, stupidest arguments I’ve ever seen. You actually believe that going to the supermarket and observing people is somehow scientific? You think that you’re not oppressed so long as you aren’t suffering from famine? Please, tell me you’re that stupid.
“Again, I ask the question: In comparison to what? I saw a documentary on TV last week about blacks in Africa. They were living in mud huts with thatched roofs. No electricity, no running water. They were sticking bones through their noses and elongating their lower lips with wooden palates. They’re living in the stone age. ”
Uh yeah, there’s the REAL scientific research there. Watching TV. The fact is that despite many problems in Africa which have long histories, Africa does have plenty of modern cities with running water and electricity.
“Blacks in America are far better off than Blacks in Africa. I’ve seen many black women in supermarkets in America, they are really fat with big fat behinds, and many of they are really loud and pushy.”
Wow, this is REALLY SCIENTIFIC!! I can understand why you ask us to show us our data. Was this part of your Phd thesis? First off, everybody in America lives much better than almost everybody in Africa, and in fact they live much better than many people in Eastern Europe and some parts of Asia as well. So what’s your explanation for that?
” I do know that the condition of large buttocks is a primary sexual presentation in primates. It’s as though these people have evolved in a primitive way. I’ve seen so-called music videos on American TV and there are many of these Black females, very fat, with large buttocks. They are loud and pushy with no manners. They are very aggressive. These people are not “oppressed”.
Are you aware of what an ass you look like? Surely there has to be some part of our conscience saying: “I’m making REALLY childish, bad arguments here.”
on December 11th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
i get the impression that the sum total of Eugenics Eugene’s research into buttocks was watching the video of “Baby Got Back” by Sir Mix-A=Lot (who he probably thinks is a real knight) repeatedly
on December 11th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Reynardine, Brock is the name, thank you. Yes, the ways a government or community or just one person chooses to classify another person or group of people do indeed change. This no more changes a biological and genetic reality than my personal choice to classify an Afghan hound as some kind of breed of naturally hairless dog simply because all of its hair was burned off in a fire.
on December 12th, 2012 at 3:55 am
So, Eugene, you see a relationship between obesity (big buttocks) amongst black women you stare at in the supermarket and “not being oppressed”?
Wow. What does “being oppressed” mean to you? Being forcibly starved? The conventional manifestations of oppression (job and housing discrimination, social ostracization, etc.) aren’t good enough for you?
You also, in your unique interpretation of the scientific method, look at your “big butt data” and speculate that its related to something you call “primitive evolution”. What on Earth is “primitive evolution”?
Seriously, I feel sorry for you.
on December 12th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Brock, if at one time Irish people are considered by “racial scientists” of the day to be a separate race from “Anglo-Saxons”, and then later in America they are considered “white.” Then clearly this is not a biological reality. Races are classified partially by phenotype, but also partially by culture and other factors. The terms “white”, “black”, and “Asian” have very specific meanings in the USA and certain colonial offshoots, for example, but they can be utterly meaningless in Europe, Africa, or Asia.
on December 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Brock, my apologies. I am working on a very small Android screen.
The genotype of one individual does not change. The genotype of a lineage or population indeed changes over time. Your Afghan hound is an example.
A year or so back, there was a newsclip about a soldier who managed to bring home a dog from the battlefield in Afghanistan. The dog was described as a “part-bred Afghan hound”. She was, in fact, a pretty representative example of a tazi- the ancestral gaze hound from whom our show Afghans were derived. Those dogs, used in hunting, were far shorter-coated and more ruggedly built than their show rin descendants. Less than a century of selection made them unrecognizable to casual observers as the same breed, and this was without outcrossing. With human beings, we are looking at millenia of migration and interbreeding. Tasmanians, said to be a pure “race”, were exterminated by invading colonists, who slaughtered the men and buried the babies up to their necks in order to knock off their heads with polo mallets; any remaining “Tasmanians” today descend from the bereaved women and their rapists. I promise you that any other relict pure “race” that survived into the last couple of centuries was some small group of islanders who suffered a similar fate. The remainder of humanity commingled, peaceably or violently, for tens of millenia before that. The very American phenotype has gotten both taller and more dark-eyed than the recruits measured for the Civil War.
You can, of course, continue to describe human beings “racially” according to any parameter you choose, but that will not stop this process. And one day, an Afghan hound may throw a hairless pup.
on December 13th, 2012 at 6:20 am
You know that someone needs to mock our “white nationalist” Eugenics Eugene’s apparent admission that he spends a large amount of time at the Black Cat Theatre in Onancock and i am just the mean girl to do it.
Too funny – the white nationalist who is obsessed with white women having sex with black men and pretends to be obsessed with the extinction of the white race (whatever that means) has admitted that he loves to stare at black women’s buttocks. See, a normal person would realize “you know, i find these black women attractive” but not Eugenics Eugene. No, instead like the slave masters in the South before him he believes “oh no! if i find black women attractive, that must mean that white women will find black men attractive – can’t have that, must become a white nationalist because those white women are ours.”
Yes, the fear of interracial dating and sex has always been primarily nothing but treating women as property – of course, Eugenics Eugene no doubt wonders why he can’t get a date from any woman (viewing women as property is a good start).
What does it also say about Eugenics Eugene that he believes that black people are stupid yet he admits to being attracted to black women’s sizable derrieres? Apparently he is really scared of the idea of a woman being equal to him which also explains why he can’t find a date.
Naturally this explains why Eugenics Eugene has turned towards white nationalism – because he is just an angry impotent little man who just can’t understand why he can’t find his perfect little slavegirl to take care of him. Therefore in my theory, his primary ideology isn’t white nationalism or white supremacism or even racism.
It is mysogny and male supremacy. Eugenics Eugene is a white nationalist due to him being a male supremacist – white nationalism to him is simply a way to keep the white women he views as his personal property in line. Its probably also his way to hide the fact that he secretly wishes that he was black because he believes then he’d have a bigger penis (and of course, white women would then flock to him because he’s so attracted to black women so in his little mind he believes that white women must feel the same way).
For Eugenics Eugene, white nationalism is nothing but the highest expression of performance and size insecurity :P
on December 13th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Erika, you are too wicked! I wish there was some way the Little Stammtisch could contact you without getting ourselves virused.
on December 13th, 2012 at 11:04 am
The condition of large bottox in females is called Steatopygia. It occurred in primative human populations, and is common in African females today, proving even further they are a primative race: Here is a link showing a typical example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steatopygia
Next time you go to the supermarket observe the typical black females there and see how big their buttox are. They have the condition of Steatopygia.
on December 13th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Eugene-
……………First off, it’s spelled “Buttocks.” Second, you’re an idiot, and you’re trying WAY too hard. Third, this isn’t scientific. If you’re a REAL PhD, you’d be presenting something other than this as evidence. Fourth, you’re an idiot and you’re trying WAY too hard. Fifth, you’re coming off as a pervert obsessed with that luscious black booty, which I don’t think your fellow racists will appreciate too much.
…And sixth… Did I mention you’re an idiot and trying way too hard? Because you are!
on December 13th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Also, seventh, you display a shocking lack of understanding of evolution, as there’s no such thing as a “more primitive race.” There’s no such thing as being “more evolved” or “less evolved.” Evolution is a gradual adaptation of a species to their surroundings or to their circumstances. And the fact that you don’t know this basic fact that I learned in MIDDLE SCHOOL horrifies me to no end.
on December 13th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Supersonic, I think this fellow is trying to decide between “bottom” and “buttocks”, a decision which he thoroughly bollixed. If he is a PHD, then I am the president of NYU.
on December 13th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Between Uda/John/the fake me/the troll/etc, Shane, and Eugene, I think we’ve fulfilled our quota of stupid for the year. God, they’re coming out of the woodwork recently.
on December 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Eugene,
Oh, great point, a rare condition exists amongst a fraction of people in a fraction of the tribes in Africa (designated by you as “primative”-sic), THEREFORE some black women you goggle at in supermarkets in the U.S. also have this same condition THEREFORE black women are also “primative”. Brilliant reasoning.
But wait, you’re an idiot.
“Primitive” is a bias-laden word which doesn’t really mean anything here. Define it better. Spell it correctly.
The women in all those supermarkets (why especially supermarkets? why especially the Twinkies aisle?) you haunt probably are not even indirectly descended from those few tribes in Africa where this rare condition occurs. (not to talk down to you, but “Africa” is not “a big black neighborhood”–it’s a continent).
Big buttocks seem quite often to be a symptom of obesity, a condition that especially troubles impoverished people of all colors and is mostly caused by bad diet of cheap, high-fat food.
Even if all the nodes of your reasoning by a miracle held water, the plausibility that particular attribute somehow related with some level of “primitiveness” is about zero. Makes no sense.
It’s hard to refocus when your social life is limited to those you encounter in the junk food and beer aisles of supermarkets, but there are actually plenty of black women who DON’T have big buttocks. Like Michelle Obama.
Save the drinking until after you post.
on December 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Oh, it’s very simple. I was using the Chaucer spelling. I was taking a break between classes and was typing on the fly.
You need to read a book called, “The Origin of Races” (1962), by Carlton S. Coon. He was a professor of anthropology at Harvard university.
The Wikipedia article I provided a link to does indeed state that the condition of Steatopygia occurs commonly in Bantu females. African Americans are indeed Bantus. The next time you’re in the supermarket or the shopping mall, I encourage you to begin observing these Bantus objectively. Many of the females do indeed suffer from the condition of Steatopygia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steatopygia
on December 13th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Eugene,
Maybe the problem you have is with your own buttocks.
on December 13th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
……..WRONG.
on December 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Carlton Coon was, if memory serves me, in disrepute before he wrote that thing, and certainly thereafter.
The only ethnic group that, under conditions of normal nutrition, consistently exhibits steatopygy is the San, and in their case, their usual state of nutrition is not what we’d consider normal. Much of the year they live in desert conditions; during the “good” parts of the year, they eat enough to store reserves, and storing those behind, rather than ventrally, as we do, poses less of an impediment to motion. This is neither primitive nor advanced; it is adaptive. You could not adapt to their environment. If you tried, there would soon be aizoaceous plants using your skull for a flower pot.
on December 13th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
So, Eugene/Ezra/Jason/Annie…you DO read what we write!
So here’s a little test for you. Please use a No. 2 pencil, and answer all questions.
1. If you’re here to “debate leftists,” why are you ignoring their responses?
2. If you don’t read “their posts anymore,” why are you here?
3. How can you have their posts on “permanent ignore,” when they’re put on a weblog, not sent in a stand-alone e-mail to you?
4. When you have had a “real job and a wife and family, and a nice home and car he worked for?”
5. Why should Ruslan Amirkhanov “go away?” Are you the webmaster of this site?
6. How do you propose to enforce that demand?
7. Do you seriously expect anybody to obey your demands at this point? You have already stated that we are “crazy,” so why are you issuing them?
8. If Ruslan is a “crazy person” and you “don’t read him,” why should it matter if he is here or not?
9. On that line, why should it matter what he writes? Is he ruining your life?
10. You have repeatedly stated that what appears on this web page “does not matter” and is “not important.” Why, then, are you so concerned with it?
11. Do you believe that freedom of speech only applies to you?
12. What legal or racial theory is that based on?
13. How are you such an expert on the lifestyles of leftists?
14. According to you leftists “all probably live in a college town in a crummy basement apartment, doing drugs, with no job, never even had a girlfriend. They’re probably all gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs. Basically deviants. So they get mad when the see a normal healthy man who has a job, looks good, is clean cut, and has a real job and a wife and family, and has a nice home and car he worked for. So these losers are all jealous.” If “leftists” are “deviants” in the first place, why would they be “jealous” of others?
15. Leftists include Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and John F. Kennedy. Were any of them “gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs?”
16. Leftist war heroes include Theodore Roosevelt (Spanish-American War), Harry S. Truman (World War I and dropper of two atomic bombs), John F. Kennedy (World War II), George McGovern (World War II), Al Gore (Vietnam), and John Kerry (Vietnam). Were they “gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs?”
17. Does the term “projection” mean anything to you?
18. In one of your many incarnations, you have urged your opponents to do the following: “I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.” Have you done any of the above?
19. If you have joined the military, please list your service branch, medals, and campaigns.
20. You have also stated, “The posters on here are all a bunch of anti-white bigots and haters. They speak nothing but lies.” Why are you therefore continuing to engage “liars” in dialogue?
21. Why are you so obsessed with the sexuality of leftists and whether or not they have girlfriends?
22. You indicate that leftists are “gay.” Why would a gay person be “jealous” of someone with a “wife” of the opposite sex?
23. Where did you gain you expertise in gay lifestyles?
24. Why have you changed your sex in your names?
25. You say that all leftists “live in college towns in crummy basement apartments, doing drugs, with no job.” By that logic, how do they pay the rent?
26. You claim to have a Ph.D. and be a tenured professor. Where is that college and what do you teach, and what have you written for your dissertation?
27. What do your colleagues and students think about your statement denouncing your “college town?”
28. Does watching black women perform on music videos make someone an expert on black culture, or on the culture created by black musicians and white music promoters?
29. Why, if you think that American blacks are not “your people,” are you so fascinated with black music videos?
30. How does the behavior of black performers in music videos compare with the behavior of white performers in professional wrestling?
31. Have you done any peer-reviewed or accredited term papers on the connection between music videos and the behavior of ordinary black and white people? If so, please provide the link.
32. You are apparently well-informed on the sexual practices and movements of black women. What research have you undertaken in this field, and where can your reports be found?
33. Did that research include sexual encounters with black women? If so, please list all of them, the types of encounters, positions used, the personal information about the involved persons, and whether or not these encounters were provided willingly or for hire.
34. Did you practice “safe sex” during this research?
35. How do you square these acts of miscegenation with Nazi racial laws that forbid such behavior?
36. Have any of these encounters resulted in children? If so, are you supporting them?
37. Does watching documentaries about remote African tribes make one an expert on African-American life?
38. Are loud and pushy women in supermarkets a threat to America’s survival?
39. Are loud and pushy black women in supermarkets a threat to America’s future?
40. Are you being forced to marry or reproduce with loud and pushy black women?
41. Why are you so obsessed with loud and pushy black women in supermarkets?
42. Are these loud and pushy black women preventing you from shopping?
43. Have you written a peer-reviewed academic paper on loud and pushy black women in supermarkets? If so, please provide the link.
44. Does watching music videos featuring loud black women and seeing loud and pushy black women make you an expert on famine in the Ukraine in the 1930s?
45. In what field did you earn your Ph.D. and where can we find your dissertation?
46. You claim that you answer all arguments with data. Please provide links to this data, and show that it has met academic standards. (As a Ph.D. with tenure at a university, you must know what those are)
47. Tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers, with proofs and citations.
48. Tell us how Stalin intended to mate captured German civilians with monkeys to create a super-race, with proofs and citations. Your statement: “In the closing days of WWII the Soviet army was an entire army of rapists. Stalin had a secret agreement with Churchill and Roosevelt to take 4 million German civilians as slaves to Siberia to work in the Gulags — German women, old people teenagers, children. German babies were even taken for medical experiments. Stalin has a nightmarish dream of breeding humans with gorillas to create a super race of human/ape hybrids, which of course, failed. Read yourself in the Yalta agreement. It says the Soviets can take civilians as ‘labor in kind’ — meaning SLAVES!” Can you prove this with documentary evidence, such as examples of this “super race of human/ape hybrids?”
49. Why would “human/ape hybrids” be a “super race?” Would they be superior to, say, the Aryan race?
50. Please give your academic credentials in biology and anthropology in support of this statement.
51. Tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler, with proofs and citations.
52. Please give your academic credentials in art in support of this statement.
53. Show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man, with academic citations.
54. You have also told us that you do not associate with neo-Nazis like Hal Turner, and so forth. Yet you have also said, on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm: “What’s wrong with being a neo-Nazi?” You have also said, “America is an evil country. While our brave young men were fighting in the East to stop the Asiatic hoards [sic], America bombed our civilians. There were no German soldiers left in the cities near the end of WWII. There were only babies, old people, young children, women. Yet the Americans bombed these civilians. During all this time our brave young men were fighting against Communism. America is an evil country. America fought on the side of evil during WWII. And evil won that war.” How can you rectify this hypocrisy?
55. What do your colleagues and superiors at your university think about you being a neo-Nazi adherent?
56. As an educator, how do you treat Jews and blacks in your classes?
57. Have you received any complaints from them for your racism or anti-Semitism?
58. In an earlier post, you said you would prove your theories to us, only if we pay you vast sums of money. Does that mean you are only involved in neo-Nazism for personal gain? Statement: “FYI: I do not read any of your responses. I never click on your links. I am not going to do any work for you or answer your questions for free. I don’t do that.”
59. Isn’t demanding money for personal financial gain in exchange for proving your cause a tactic of the Jews and blacks that you despise?
60. Why are you using tactics of the very people you detest?
61. Doesn’t behaving like a Jew or a black make you a Jew or a black?
62. When are you going to provide us with that e-mail address for our 10-year resumes?
63. You have said, “Someday you’ll be on a talk show, flogging one of your novels, and you’ll complain, ‘I once debated this guy named Ezra on the Internet and he ignored all my posts, even though they were so clever’. Then you will burst out into tears on live TV.” Care to explain this in 1,000 words or less?
64. Isn’t a statement like the above an example of using the evil leftist debate terms of “epithets, slurs, invective,” and therefore not becoming a white nationalist and neo-Nazi?
65. You have repeatedly said that you can create a website with your own worldview. Why have you not done so?
66. If we are all crazy people, why are you wasting valuable time here instead of making your own web page?
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on December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I guess Eugene have never white girls with large buttocks. Trust me, they’re not the result of surgery.
on December 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
ADM, Ruslan, Kiwi, all the rest,
You guys have got to realize the SPLC is a scam. Morris Dees makes a huge salary and lives in a mansion. That whole organization is a money generating operation for the people at the top. Do you know how much Morris Dees makes? Do you know how much Mark Potok makes? I do. Check it out. Research it on your own. Tell me what number you come up with. Then I’ll tell you. This is the big question: What are the salaries of these guys running the SPLC?
on December 17th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Eugene,
Who cares how much they make? Dees is the senior partner of a law firm known as the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Potok is a highly respected journalist.
I would say their salaries are justified.
Now how much do you make as a ‘college professor?’
on December 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
This is where you end up, JasonAnnieEzraEugene, questioning the salaries of the SPLC staff? I think the common sports term for that is “jock sniffer”. I would use worse, but why make the moderator’s job any more difficult.
Pathetic.
on December 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Aron,
Morris and Mark are more highly disrespected than respected. I hope you realize this.
Their salaries, net worths, and lifestyles are worth pointing out because it validates and confirms what all critics of the “limousine lefty” crowd – no matter their political stripe – have been saying about them for their entire existence. They are the rich, pampered, and privileged elite class, whose wealth makes them conveniently exempt from the effects that the policies they advocate have on the common people, the everyday middle-class American.
on December 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Aren’t we lucky that Brock arrived to show us the error of our ways?
on December 17th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Respected and disrespected by whom? And I note your complaint against “lefties” is, in the alternative, that they are successful, or they are not.
I have three degrees from real universities, own my own house free and clear, am not rich, and am quite old enough not to have to prove anything.
on December 17th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Yes Brock,
Please show me the error of my ways. Please tell me who holds Dees and Potok in such low esteem. I get the feeling you will be listing folks of David Duke’s ilk.
In short, you’re wrong.
on December 17th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
“ADM, Ruslan, Kiwi, all the rest,
You guys have got to realize the SPLC is a scam. Morris Dees makes a huge salary and lives in a mansion. That whole organization is a money generating operation for the people at the top. Do you know how much Morris Dees makes? Do you know how much Mark Potok makes? I do. Check it out. Research it on your own. Tell me what number you come up with. Then I’ll tell you. This is the big question: What are the salaries of these guys running the SPLC?”
Sorry, Eugene/Ezra/Jason/Annie, the “big questions” are the ones I’ve asked you, and I’m not looking up yours until you answer mine.
And when ARE you going to make that web page with the profiles of us?
Besides, why should I post the number? You said you never read what we write…
on December 17th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
“Morris and Mark are more highly disrespected than respected. I hope you realize this.
Their salaries, net worths, and lifestyles are worth pointing out because it validates and confirms what all critics of the “limousine lefty” crowd – no matter their political stripe – have been saying about them for their entire existence. They are the rich, pampered, and privileged elite class, whose wealth makes them conveniently exempt from the effects that the policies they advocate have on the common people, the everyday middle-class American.”
Well, Brock, please tell us who “disrespects” the SPLC. Let’s see, Aryan Nations, the Ku Klux Klan, Louis Beam, Billy Riccio, Glenn Miller, and Tom Metzger. That’s quite a crew. A bunch of sadists, psychotics, greedheads, and racist thugs.
And you say they are “exempt” from the “policies they advocate?” Care to explain that?
Do use the red crayon.
on December 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Kudos Brock!
Wealthy Leftists are insulated from the policies they advocate. Consider Bill & Hillary Clinton. For years while in the White House they advocated ‘diversity’. Yet where did they buy a home after the Clinton left the presidency? Chappaqua, N.Y. is about 90% white. If they really believed that blacks are so wonderful, and the races are equivalent and interchangeable, why didn’t they move to a majority black neighborhood? It’s true, Clinton had an office in Harlem. He went there 2-4 times per year escorted by armed body guards in a limousine. His office has now moved. Hillary Clinton has a net worth of ~ 40 million dollars. Next consider Michael Moore. He claims he grew up in Flint, MI. Not true. He grew up in Davison, MI, which is over 90% white. He has a home in Traverse City, MI. Again, > 90% white. Moore is a very wealthy man. The list goes on of such examples. The Kennedy family, Al Gore, Chris Matthews. They’re all rich. They all live in white areas. Al Gore has an enormous mansion on a big estate. Chris Matthews doesn’t live in Washington DC. He lives in Chevy Chase, MD. It’s a very white area.
on December 18th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I’d like to challenge the moderator to post my previous comment I submitted. If Mr. Potok feels that it hits a little too close to home, that’s his problem. The principle of it was rooted in common sense. If you are a good and trustworthy citizen, a friend to your fellows and kinsmen in the community in which you live, and a healthy-minded American, you should be DELIGHTED when a majority of the people in your country express distrust of the government, not FRIGHTENED.
Quite simply, Kiwiwriter, the above is the reason why the SPLC is constantly ridiculed in principled quarters. Maybe it started by declaring an all-out legal war against the most thuggish organizations most everyday Americans between Berkeley and the Beltway would agree to be hate groups, but nowadays, ha!
At some point in time, the SPLC appointed itself the enlightened panel of judges of what it is acceptable to believe and say about any and every subject. Get that? Nobody in America in an official capacity, such as an election to some kind of public office, asked them what is acceptable mainstream thought and what isn’t. They just set up shop in Montgomery and appointed themselves. They consider adherents to Austrian School economics and believers in anti-fiat currency/Federal Reserve/IMF/WTO/Bilderberg Group/CFR/Trilateral Commission conspiracy theories to be dangerous radicals worthy of surveillance right alongside Klansmen. That says it all. They are just apologists for the current American imperial big-government political establishment.
on December 19th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I don’t care about how much money they make. What I like to do here is shoot down moronic arguments made by folks like you. For example, you think fat asses is a black woman thing. It isn’t. I have personally seen white women, Middle Eastern/South Asian women, and women of indigenous Amerindian descent with fat asses. I have also seen black women with skinny asses.
Another thing, overweight people are not well fed. Well fed means eating healthy, not junk food that is high in refined sugars and carbohydrates. Watching TV and going to a supermarket are not examples of scientific research. And as Ruslan pointed out, Africa has modern cities with running water and electricity.
http://goafrica.about.com/od/a.....tal-ci.htm
You can always Google them.
You then go on to say things like “blacks use welfare and food stamps.” Well, so do white folks, more so than blacks. You also said a bunch of other crap, but Ruslan pretty much destroyed your arguments.
By the way, if you’re so anti-black, why are you looking their asses?
on December 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
That is not love for the white race that is a self hatred that draws a great deal of animosity towards the white race and alienates many groups of people from the white race.
People that carry that philosophy really don’t have a clue about love, it’s just pure hate.
If you are white marry white and so and so on then live your life as you will, but to promote hate and to degrade other groups in that process is a self defeating act.
Hate begets more hate.
Racists need to put more time into their own progression and evolution as human beings, then perhaps they too would find that they really don’t have all this time they spend towards learning teaching and spreading the cancer of their hate agenda in the U.S.