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Religious-Right Radicals Join NRA Side In Gun Battle

By Ryan Lenz on January 18, 2013 - 4:42 pm, Posted in Christian Right, Extremist Propaganda

Religious-right extremists who have spent most of their energy in recent years vilifying LGBT people or fighting the nation’s culture wars on other fronts have found a new demon to slay: gun control.

It might seem odd that those who profess allegiance to the teachings of Jesus Christ would be so vociferous about making sure that Americans have continued, unfettered access to assault rifles. But in the wake of the massacre of schoolchildren in Connecticut, which ignited the most heated debate about gun control in this country in a decade, some of the religious right’s most rabid voices are joining the fight.

Matt Barber, a lawyer for the anti-gay Liberty Counsel, predicts a civil war over gun control. Bryan Fischer, the rabid mouthpiece for the homophobic American Family Association, has banned the use of the words “assault rifles” on his radio show. Even the Family Research Council, which describes itself as a pro-family organization, has targeted President Obama as “blatantly disingenuous when he says he believes in the Second Amendment.”

David Barton, the Christian-right pseudo-historian whose views on America’s founding have been widely debunked by mainstream historians, went on conspiracy theorist Glenn Beck’s Internet television show this week to claim the National Rifle Association (NRA) was formed to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan.

“The NRA rises up in 1871 with three Union officers who had fought to end slavery, fought for civil rights, fought for civil rights for blacks,” Barton said. “And part of the reason is, they want blacks to defend themselves individually, use their individual right of self-defense against the Klan.” (Actually, most historians argue the birth of the NRA had nothing at all to do with civil rights but rather to establish training standards for emerging rifle technology.)

Barber went so far as to predict a coming civil war if the White House moves forward with gun control. In an article published a week ago for the far-right conspiracy website WorldNet Daily, he accused the government of preparing for a gun grab aimed at “controlling – disarming – the law-abiding masses.”

“I love guns. Grew up with ‘em. As a former police officer with 12 years in the U.S. military, I know how to use them, too – use them well. I plan to buy more – a bunch more. In fact, who’s to say I don’t already have a veritable arsenal?” Barber wrote. “Point is, tain’t Big Brother Barack’s nor any other candy-keistered-liberal-cream-puff’s business whether I do or not.”

At issue, for most on the religious right, is Obama.

Earlier this week, the White House released the president’s aggressive plan to address gun control. According to The New York Times, the “multifaceted effort” includes 23 proposed executive orders, some of which address controlling access to guns, and a full-court press on Congress to pass comprehensive gun reform legislation.

Leave it to Fischer, though, who has claimed that Adolf Hilter’s Nazi Party relied on gay men because of their innate brutality, to turn the debate straight on its face. Not only has he banned the use of the words “assault rifles” on his Focal Point radio show in favor of “sporting rifles” – and threatened to fine any member of his staff who uses the wrong term – he has defined the debate on gun control as a thinly veiled plot to target Christians.

“If they decide that mental health are reasons to deny people their constitutional rights, it’s a short step from there to identifying us, Christians, genuine followers of Jesus Christ who believe the Bible and what it teaches … as mentally ill,” Fischer claimed. And if that happens, Fischer fantasizes, “Guns are going to be taken away from us.”

  • TRUaryan

    The coroner in Newtown has already admitted that no assault weapon was even used in the Sandy Hook massacre. Of course the controlled media will not allow you to know this because it doesn’t fall in line with their authoritarian gun-grabbing agenda! You know the SPLC has really shown their true colors with this article. They’ve implicated themselves as Christian-hating Zionists, which they actually ARE!

  • Sam Molloy

    Rey, I don’t mean to be flippant. Everyone’s opinions have some value to me even if I don’t agree with them. I do live well, but then I show up for work every day and do not mind getting dirt on me. Everyone in America lives a life of some undeserved privilege and I try to be mindful of that.

  • Gregory

    I know that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Please re-read my comment. Your response does not answer my question. Confiscation following registration in the United States was the question.

    Are you trying to tell me that firearms in New Orleans were registered prior to Katrina? Thus confiscation followed?

    Once again, you are wandering into Kenyan Farthing territory…

  • aadila

    Rey try not to come off as a morally superior fluffhead, to quote somebody around here. It will detract from your eventual karma, I understand.

  • Sam Molloy

    Rey, you know nothing about me. Be nice or I’ll throw my pacifier at you.

  • Ellen Myers

    Erika, You hit the nail right on the head about the religious
    (I refuse to call them Christian) right. They call themselves
    Christian but what they actually practice is Old Testament
    Judaism, not New Testament Christianity. They use the
    term “godly” instead of Christ-like, which is what we Christians are supposed to try to be. I have a sister (biologically only) who watches Fox and who could be a poster child for the religious right. I don’t know about “godly” but Christ-like she isn’t. She’s full of hate and envy but thinks it’s an “abomination” (fundamentalists love to use that word) to love someone of the same sex.
    She’s mentally ill too.

  • What?

    And your point is, Sam?????

    …that during the rioting and looting after Katrina, it would have been sooooo much better to just let innocent people get robbed, beaten and shot???

    I am so tired of the delusional fantasyland that gun nuts live in and spout on about… “the pending martial law”… uh… ok.

    Honestly, I sometimes wonder why the sane people even bother to reply.

  • Reynardine

    I caution you again, Sam, that this spoiled child act is getting uncute.

  • Sam Molloy

    Confiscation has occurred in England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and America during Hurricane Katrina.

  • Roger B.

    And this is shocking why? Paranoid schizophrenic comes to mind when it comes to these village idiot right wing gun fanatics.

  • Terry Washington

    Hoo boy- swivel eyed gun nuts in bed with swivel eyed religious fruitcakes- definitely a marriage made in Hell!

  • aadila

    There is no need to conduct any kind of gun confiscation. If you take away the incentive for owning guns, gun owners will self deport.

    Oh wait, that’s only supposed to work for immigration.

  • Erika

    Sam, a group can say anything they want – how they are judged is by their actions. And its well documented – through first hand information – that at the NRA fundraising controls all – and nothing raises funds like being constantly under attack

    The similarity to the religious right should be noted here – in fact, the more i think about it, the more the religious right being allied with the NRA makes sense – both are fear based groups who are “constantly under attack” and both care more about promoting far right wing agendas than promoting their stated purpose.

    And don’t be silly Sam – of course you can arm bears it says so right in the Constitution – but whether you have the right to possess bear arms is still in question :)

  • Reynardine

    Too many of us *have* read their publications, Sam. And bears are very well-armed.

  • Gregory

    I can see that little has changed during my absence overseas. Sam, we have read the materials published by the NRA. That is the problem. I challenge you to point to any instance where registration of firearms in the United States have lead to the confiscation of said firearms.

    I own guns. I am a veteran. And I am not suceptible to the crap that the NRA puts out.

  • Sam Molloy

    Critics might read the NRA publications on line for themselves and not depend on second hand information. And, Erika, can I arm bears?

  • aadila

    How will we know the good gun owners from the bad gun owners? Tax them all.

    Let God sort them out.

  • Erika

    Sam, gun confiscation has always (even before Heller) always been impossible under the United States Constitution – the Fifth Amendment prohibits depravation of property without due process of law. After Heller, gun confiscation is nothing but a paranoid fantasy.

    In fact, were you too busy trying to correct my spelling or did you actually read what i posted about the NRA opposing bringing a legal challenge against hte DC gun ban? The NRA believed that a successful challenge would make their fear mongering about gun consfiscation in response to any gun control proposal to be unsuccessful as paranoid fantasy.

    As it turned out, they underestimated the extent of paranoia in this country as connected to those hateful little phallic symbols known as guns, but if anything the NRA has broaded the sheer paranoia after Heller as a sheer survival mechanicism. Since anyone reasonable would realize that gun confiscation is impossible after Heller, the NRA is left to appeal to the most paranoid elements of society.

    And however you spell it, the fear of gun confiscation is complete and total nonesense :)

    What isn’t complete and total nonesence is the fact that the NRA is deliberately appealing to people in a way which increases their audience’s paranoia and ignorance. And appealing to the most paranoid elements of society is not only nonesencical, it is extremely dangerous.

    And Sam, honey, don’t get me wrong i totally support the right to bare arms. Just not on a day like today because it is much too cold outside ;)

  • aadila

    Sam, if you’ll pause for a moment to reflect…100% of the talk about “gun free zone” signs has come from guns rights advocates. This is a manufactured argument, a red herring: the use of the signs has never been proposed as a definitive solution to gun violence.

    Your same argument applies to no smoking signs, crosswalk markers, traffic signals, don’t open except in emergency signs on airplane doors, elevator capacity advisories, speed limit markers, and sell by dates on perishable foods…

    I find it amazing that the right wing is focused on these signs instead of the real problems of gun violence in America. Doing nothing, which is what the gun nuts propose, hardly seems like a better course of action than progressive policies aimed at stemming violence anywhere and everywhere we can.

    Saying no is not the same as coming up with a solution.

  • Sam Molloy

    Concerned, the ACLU blocked mental illnesses from showing up on background checks, as was the original proposal, for privacy reasons. Perhaps nobody argued very much because it is so hard to define. Current proposals would leave it to the discretion of a person’s Psychiatrist, and are based on spoken threats, presumably on tape. This could result in fewer people seeking counseling. It could get out of hand completely with anyone believing in Creation, or God, being declared legally insane. That may sound appealing to a few on this site, but a different set of lawmakers could flip that over to make the definition of crazy anything they don’t like or want to scapegoat. In Communist Russia, anybody espousing counterrevolutionary opinions were carted off as obviously insane.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” Where the NRA is correct is that historically, confiscation follows on the heels of registration, with a corresponding jump in assaults and home invasions.”

    Evidence, please.

  • Reynardine

    Sam, anyone who gets a gun illegally has gotten it from someone who had it legally.

  • Sam Molloy

    The NRA is not perfect. Where the NRA is correct is that historically, confiscation follows on the heels of registration, with a corresponding jump in assaults and home invasions. Where the NRA is correct is that criminals will not obey any gun law, because they are (duh!) criminals. Where the NRA is correct is that only someone brainwashed by a failed educational system would believe that ” gun free zone” signs are like some sort of bulletproof force field and we are safer for them. I will agree that anyone who believes the nonsense spouted here, and spelled correctly, probably should not handle firearms, or even sharp scissors.

  • Erika

    The similarity between the NRA who thinks that any gun control legislation equals total gun bans and confiscation and the religious right who thinks that not discriminating against homosexuals will inevitably lead to people engaging in polygamous homosexual marriages with goldfish should be noted.

    In fact, it seems odd that Sam falls for the NRA nonesence when he so clearly understands the religious right’s nonesense – quite simply, it is the same nonesence of a slippery slope gone crazy.

  • Erika

    Sam, one thing that you should know about the NRA – according to the attorney who brought the Heller case, the NRA opposed bringing that suit. The NRA despite having a well funded Legal Defense Fund did not want to challenge the DC gun ban and actively discouraged any attempt to argue against the collective right/militia theory of the Second Amendment. They actively fought against any attorney or group who tried to bring such a case.

    According to the attorney who brought the Heller case, the reason was that the NRA knew that the Heller case would be a disaster for them – mainly because they knew that either the Supreme Court would recognize the individual right theory and recognize that like all rights the SEcond Amendment is not absolute and subject to reasonable government regulation. Or the Supreme Court would based upon 200 years of history and understanding hold that the SEcond Amendment only protects a militia.

    Either outcome would be politically disasterous for the NRA because with the Second Amendmetn recognized as protecting individual rights, their constant fears of firearm confiscation are revealed to be hollow. Quite simply, there can never be any confiscation of firearms – or an outright ban on personal possession.

    The Heller case never called for an unlimited right to firearms – quit esimply, it would be idiotic litigation strategy since none of the Bill of Rights is unlimited. In fact, the plaintiff conceded that most exciting (and many non-existing) regulations would be Constitutional.

    What is intersting though is when the Supreme Court took Heller on review, the NRA immediately used it to raise funds – even though they opposed the case and knew their gig would be up if Heller won.

    The result is that the NRA has gone off into orbit – with there being no question that reasonable gun control will be constitutional – and with most gun owners understanding that confiscation and firearm bans cannot happen thanks ot the Supreme Court – the only thing left for the NRA is to exploit the fear of “low information voters” who simply do not understand that the NRA is simply spreading fantasy.

    There will be no confiscation or banning of guns – nobody in the mainstream is calling for that. To pretend that it is still on the table shows that the NRA is doing nothing buy stirring up the most paranoid and unreasonable people around for percieved political gain. That is ulimtately a very dangerous strategy since the odds that embracing extreme anti-government conspiracy theories will result in violence among extreme anti-government conspiracy nuts is very high..

  • aadila

    “Hate for hate only intensifies the existence of hate and evil in the universe. If I hit you and you hit me and I hit you back and you hit me back and go on, you see, that goes on ad infinitum. It just never ends. Somewhere somebody must have a little sense, and that’s the strong person. The strong person is the person who can cut off the chain of hate, the chain of evil. And that is the tragedy of hate, it only intensifies the existence of hate and evil in the universe. Somebody must have religion enough and morality enough to cut it off, and inject within the very structure of the universe that strong and powerful element of love.”
    Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • concernedcitizen

    We need to be very careful in assigning mental illness tags to people. Remember that which we find strange isn’t always strange in other cultures. Our definitions fit within Western paradigms.
    This people who are violent and who espouse hate towards people of different race, religion, etc. May indeed have mental illnesses amongst their leaders however it is also very likely that they are just that stupid.

    Stupid is a hard thing to shake and it’s easily passed down from one generation to another.

  • Sam Molloy

    Erika, I’m thinking the NRA leadership is so full tilt towards no more laws, no time, no how, because it sees a genuine threat from fanatics on the other side. People that never met a gun law they did not like, who live in well guarded, gated communities and have guns themselves, but consider the peons below them not worth protecting. An all or nothing attitude, and seeing everything as winners and losers, seems to transcend all types of world views. I like your appreciation of Jesus’ teachings. He had a lot to say about the “Religious Right” of A.D. 30, and none of it was good.

  • CM

    “The NRA rises up in 1871 with three Union officers who had fought to end slavery, fought for civil rights, fought for civil rights for blacks,” Barton said. “And part of the reason is, they want blacks to defend themselves individually, use their individual right of self-defense against the Klan.”

    This is a fine example of Barton’s method of perpetrating historical fraud:

    First, decide what you want to emphasize among the many reasons Northerners may have fought in the Civil War (and what you want to de-emphasize, such as “preserving the Union,” “loyalty to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers,” etc.).

    Next, impute your chosen motivations to three unnamed individuals whose actual views on “civil rights for blacks” may be impossible to determine today, and are certainly not likely to be known by Glenn Beck or any of his regular listeners. (For the record, the three men were William Conant Church, George Wood Wingate and Ambrose Burnside.) In other words, put your own words in their mouths.

    Now you’re ready to take the leap into pure fantasy, and Barton does, claiming that these three prosperous Yankees essentially wanted to provide African Americans in the South with the skills needed to mount an armed insurrection. (And the reason the very successful NRA never succeeded in carrying out this program is …?)

    Ryan’s response that the creation of the NRA had to do instead with “establish[ing] training standards for emerging rifle technology” is of course correct. Wingate in particular was a well-known enthusiast for standardizing and systematizing riflery, having written manuals for rifle practice and co-written “A report on the feasibility and advisability of some policy to inaugurate a system of rifle practice throughout the public schools of the country” at the request of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice.

    In that report, published in 1906, Wingate’s (and his co-author’s) real motivation is clear from the following: “It is hardly necessary to state that the experience of our recent wars has pointed out that while there is no difficulty in case of war in getting all the volunteers that the country requires and they can be given a reasonable amount of drill in a few weeks, it takes a long time to teach them to shoot, and that unless they can shoot accurately they are of little value as soldiers.”

    Barton is nothing but a liar, and anyone who believes him is doomed to the worst kind of ignorance.

  • Kiwiwriter

    “In the thread just prior, I referred to Dr. Rosen, a psychologist in Newtown, who sheltered several children who had fled the massacre at Sandy Hook. He has been vilified; he has been called a “crisis actor” in a “massacre hoax” supposedly staged so President Obama can *take people’s guns away*, his address and photos of his house have been published around the Internet, and he has received death threats from all quarters:

    It is time the NRA, as instigators of this vicious fanaticism, was designated a hate group.”

    So that’s your reward in today’s society for performing an act that is a pure good, something that is a shining ray of light amid unimaginable horror…to receive death threats for doing so.

    There is a lot of mental illness in this society.

  • Erika

    Sam, your contention regarding the NRA being composed primarily of responsible gun owners is proven false by the fact that there has not been an uprising by responsible gun owners to remove the nutcases from the NRA leadership. Quite simply, the nutcases in the NRA are not some random David Koresh type out in Wacko, oopsie, Waco :)

    The nutcases in the NRA are their leadership. When a group has been obviously run by extreme right wing nutcases for as long as i can remember, the most likely explanation is that the majority of members support the extreme right wing nutcases. The alternative explanation is that the NRA is an astroturf group for the gun manufacturers (and the Republican Party – see the 2009 race for Virginia governor if you doubt that the NRA sees party as more important that a politician’s position on guns and hunting) which does not operate in a democratic manner which means that the responsible gun owners have no voice in the NRA leadership.

    On another note, did any of these Christian Right people ever actually read the Bible? Or as i suspect, did they stop reading somewhere in the Old Testament – probably someplace around Leviticus. They definitely do not appear to be very familiar with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

  • CoralSea

    anobserver — you sound like one of these people who has just sort of contracted into themselves (or shrivelled up, if you will) because you don’t wish to expend energy trying to understand the world’s complexities anymore.

    While that is a shame–primarily for you–your not so thinly veiled threats against Rey and other “liberals” (personally, I prefer the term “progressive”) suggests that you have withdrawn into a state of impotent trantrums. We aren’t the enemy. No one here is trying to take your guns. But just as there are rules for traffic (you know, sticking to the correct side of the road, obeying stoplights) to prevent head-on collisions and the constant risk of broadsides, I don’t personally know a “responsible” gun owner who thinks that crazy people should be wandering around with automatic weapons. Do you think that sounds smart? Control and regulation only equal confiscation in the mind of the paranoid.

    We don’t have to get along on everything in order to take steps to keep guns out of the hands of those who, because of criminal records or mental delusions, should have them. The “for us or against us” mentality is simply childish and it solves nothing. Please reconsider some of your thoughts on this issue.

  • CoralSea

    It is interesting that folks such as Bryan Fischer are aware of and sensitive about the various connections between extreme religiousity and mental illness and religious delusions and fixations among persons who suffer from organic mental illnesses.

    Extreme religiousity, like schizophrenia, has been found in some cases to have a genetic component. I get to see this in my own family. In some cases, the extreme views of such people, which include a lot of black-or-white thinking, can lead to violent and anti-social acts up to and including murder.

    Also, some mentally ill people seize upon religious ideas or imagery, but they could as easily fixate on the messages they believe they are receiving from Planet Zargon or Major League Baseball. Religion isn’t really to blame here — although the prevalence of powerful, negative messages, such as anti-LGBT rantings, could add to the negativity and danger of the delusions.

    Although I am not a Christian, I believe that the majority of Christians who AREN’T big proponents of the Religious Right and who roll their eyes over Pat Robertson’s insane statements and the idea that dinosaurs were included on Noah’s Arc, are not mentally ill because of their religion (they may suffer from depression or anxiety or other disorders, but these aren’t necessarily tied to their religious beliefs). I have to think that many of these folks must be cringing over the statements that Fischer and others are now making about guns.

    I would say that the Religious Right has turned yet another corner on increasing the extreme craziness of their views. I hope that reasonable Christians, who comprise the majority, begin to call these crazies out or at least urge them to moderate their views–for all of our sakes!

  • adamhill

    Anobserver makes a perfect argument for gun control just by being himself.

  • Reynardine

    And here is a charming story:

  • concernedcitizen

    “Point is, tain’t Big Brother Barack’s nor any other candy-keistered-liberal-cream-puff’s business whether I do or not.”

    Yes it is his business and it’s all of our business. Franckly I’m really fed up with the pissants that are toting guns and shooting innocent people like they did in Wisconsin, and like the children in Connecticut, the Colorado theater shootings etc, etc. And we have a growing movement of idiot racist who want to start a war because they have a black man in the white house. Get real! My only regret is that he hasn’t changed the color of the house we really do need something more exciting.

    No we do not want to let people run around toting guns to kill innocent citizens because they are a different color than them or a different religion and if someone is putting together an noteworthy arsenal then we need to know about it.

    And how can any Nazi call themselves a Christian? Perhaps someone should announce it live “Jesus is Jewish”. So I wonder what that makes his Father?

    We need to stop the violence and idiocy that is spinning out of control in America.

  • Sam Molloy

    Aron, I agree the NRA should strive to be more in line with mainstream America. There is another organization, Gun Owners of America, which I know very little about. Perhaps it is small enough that we can join it and stage a coup, er, I mean, steer it towards reality.

  • Sam Molloy

    Anobserver, I for one welcome different opinions as any site would get pretty boring with everyone saying “amen” all the time. But the Federal and State governments already have regulations about sizes and types of guns available. West Virginia restricts long gun carry at night, to stop illegal hunting. Indiana disallows sawing off a shotgun, even if the finished length is still legal. California recently outlawed any open carry on public lands, presumably because the mountain lions were hungry for more mountain bikers. If we are ever to force the governments to do their job and prosecute all gun crimes already on the books, and if we ever have hopes of all CCW permits being recognized from coast to coast, it will not be by threats of violence, it will be by the give and take of the existing political system.To the typical products of the Socialist Fantasyland that is American Academia, these harsh words only make all gun owners look like bullet headed lunatics.

  • Reynardine

    An(al)observer, who the FOX do you think you are talking to, and who do you think you are fooling? You’ve done an earth-shaking job of mowing down all those little straw men you just set up. I’m not made of straw, and neither are any of the other regulars here. Go pick on something your own size.

  • Aron

    Anobserver, oh I’m scared. Look at me shaking in my little boots!

    Get a life, loser. And learn to spell.

  • Aron

    But Sam, unlike the NRA the SPLC doesn’t feature insane draft-dodging, washed-up, former rock stars from Detroit at their national conventions, where they go on to threaten the lives of the President and the Secretary of State in front of tens of thousands of attendees roaring with approval.

    They also don’t have an executive director calling government agents ‘jack-booted thugs.’

    While many of the members of the once-respectable NRA may be sane, Wayne LaPierre is a danger to society. And until he is forced out by that sane contingent of the group (and Ted Nugent, as well), I will only look on the National Rifle Association as a dangerous lobbying group and shill for the gun industry. And I will never join.

  • anobserver

    Reynardine, you seem to have a pretty big mouth on this site so I’ll make it simple for ya. I dont much care who a person’s pillow partner is, isnt a battle I engage in,and I was pretty much pro-choice until I read up on the wholesale slaughter of unborns by those who use abortions as birth control and the devious administrators and workers of these abortion clinics, now “Not so much”
    Dont like Unions very much and never did since witnessing the unbridled power and corruption they indulge in on a daily basis. Didnt begrudge immigration as much as I do today until I had to foot the bill for more criminal aliens being turnstiled thru the system on a daily basis either. But you read my lips very well and remember this. You and your groups even attempt to mess with my second amendment rights or try to split hairs on who can have what kind of gun and I promise you, I’ll mess with every attempt of the above mentioned groups for “pure sport”. and I wont be alone. You had better think long and hard before your leftest “radical” (your word of the day) groups come after my guns. Otherwise I might have to cut off at the knees any attempt You liberal loving agenda movers and shakers think your going to shove down my throat. on just about any issue. thats not a threat, its a fact.

  • Sam Molloy

    Rey, every significant event brings out nut job conspirlacy theorists including the Apollo Moon Landings. The NRA’s membership is vastly weighted towards respectable, responsible gun owners. The SPLC’s membership is likewise overwhelmingly caring, responsible individuals. Both groups have members who would not be missed if they were shipped to the Moon on a Saturn V.

  • Linnea

    So evidently Fischer is just fine with having a violent, paranoid schizophrenic running around with whatever kind of gun they can get? Just wait until a mentally ill shooter kills or maims people *he* cares about. You would think that the attack at the Family Research Council HQ last year would have made some of the religious right nuts think twice about the gun issue.

  • Reynardine

    The gun fanatics do not stick at threatening members of Congress.

  • http://SPLC Jack Wolford

    If a firearm had 3 of 5 features it was classified as an “assault firearm” during Clinton’s legislation . Memory is bad but; folding or collapseable stock , flash suppressor , over 10 round magazine , and maybe bayonette lug . That’s five – but, standby for news as Paul Harvey use to say .

  • http://SPLC Jack Wolford

    If Bryan Fischer said that the distance between classifications of Religious Extremists as Mental Patients is not that great , then in my humble opinion he is not far wrong .

  • Reynardine

    In the thread just prior, I referred to Dr. Rosen, a psychologist in Newtown, who sheltered several children who had fled the massacre at Sandy Hook. He has been villified; he has been called a “crisis actor” in a “massacre hoax” supposedly staged so President Obama can *take people’s guns away*, his address and photos of his house have been published around the Internet, and he has received death threats from all quarters:

    It is time the NRA, as instigators of this vicious fanaticism, was designated a hate group.

  • Sam Molloy

    They are correct in that there is no universally agreed definition of an “Assault Rifle”. The previous ban involved specific makes and models and the manufacturers kept changing small details to get around it. There is currently a 16″ federal minimum length for rifle barrels, and extending that to the common 24″ of a .223 ” varmint” rifle might be the answer. Banning front pistol grips and anything over five shot clips would also still allow for practical uses agaist Coyotes and such. Wild boar, mountain lions and of course Grizzly bears will still eat you as you are shooting them with any .223 and you will need something larger. Legitimate and legal uses for firearms agaist civilian people are all as a defensive tool. These are designed as offensive weapons.

  • supersonic250

    Brian Fischer IS mentally ill, but it has nothing to do with his Christianity… and frankly, I don’t trust him with anything more dangerous than a rubber band.