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	<title>Comments on: Oath Keepers ‘Patriot’ Group Plans 50 Anti-Gun Control Rallies Tomorrow</title>
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	<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/</link>
	<description>Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center</description>
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		<title>By: Scooby</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-2355279</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 05:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love how &quot;Kiwi&quot; compares American Constitutionalists to &quot;Mad Max&quot; characters. As the former brother-in-law to a NZ-born deserter, it&#039;s interesting to read how one, like himself, can have so much contempt for both the US and his other cousin, Australia. Good luck in South Africa, mate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how &#8220;Kiwi&#8221; compares American Constitutionalists to &#8220;Mad Max&#8221; characters. As the former brother-in-law to a NZ-born deserter, it&#8217;s interesting to read how one, like himself, can have so much contempt for both the US and his other cousin, Australia. Good luck in South Africa, mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there any evidence of the Oath Keepers being hateful?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any evidence of the Oath Keepers being hateful?</p>
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		<title>By: SOFEX</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1762856</link>
		<dc:creator>SOFEX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They prefer to ignore the freedom and justice for individuals unless they have some type of collective base. The freedom to own weapon to me is the same as the freedom smoke weed its a natural right giving by whatever we came from at originallity its the same as the freedom as the government uses for themselves. if you want to be scared your neighbors shut up and look at the weapons our own government is buying. American Citizens need to have whatever freedoms we can get and cant afford to let majorities keep down minorities. No matter who it is and when i say minorities i mean the real minority the individual not racial or religous or cultural i mean the independent individual. Someone please look up SOFEX It is the special operations forces exhibition in Jordan. Please learn freedom people its not chaos its nature you cant stop it and its been here since the beginning of time and its not going to stop. oppression can only last for so long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They prefer to ignore the freedom and justice for individuals unless they have some type of collective base. The freedom to own weapon to me is the same as the freedom smoke weed its a natural right giving by whatever we came from at originallity its the same as the freedom as the government uses for themselves. if you want to be scared your neighbors shut up and look at the weapons our own government is buying. American Citizens need to have whatever freedoms we can get and cant afford to let majorities keep down minorities. No matter who it is and when i say minorities i mean the real minority the individual not racial or religous or cultural i mean the independent individual. Someone please look up SOFEX It is the special operations forces exhibition in Jordan. Please learn freedom people its not chaos its nature you cant stop it and its been here since the beginning of time and its not going to stop. oppression can only last for so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1705792</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your name is Bobby Joe... Poe? Either that, or you can&#039;t read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your name is Bobby Joe&#8230; Poe? Either that, or you can&#8217;t read.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1699045</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My my, you people from the SPLC sure do have a lot of time on your hands to blather on about how the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights is no good. Anyone who comes here and attempts to defend the Law Of The Land is disparaged for months, much like a pack of hyenas stalking and attacking their prey. Let me tell you something. The Second Ammendment has served this country very well for over 200 years, and people who don&#039;t agree with it are labeled &quot;domestic enemies&quot; in its very structure, that is if they pretend to be citizens living under its protection. If you don&#039;t like our gun laws, you are free to move to another part of the world more suitable to your liking. You don&#039;t have to stay here trying to screw things up for us red blooded nephews and nieces of Uncle Sam. Take a hike and don&#039;t let the door hit you in the rump on the way out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My my, you people from the SPLC sure do have a lot of time on your hands to blather on about how the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights is no good. Anyone who comes here and attempts to defend the Law Of The Land is disparaged for months, much like a pack of hyenas stalking and attacking their prey. Let me tell you something. The Second Ammendment has served this country very well for over 200 years, and people who don&#8217;t agree with it are labeled &#8220;domestic enemies&#8221; in its very structure, that is if they pretend to be citizens living under its protection. If you don&#8217;t like our gun laws, you are free to move to another part of the world more suitable to your liking. You don&#8217;t have to stay here trying to screw things up for us red blooded nephews and nieces of Uncle Sam. Take a hike and don&#8217;t let the door hit you in the rump on the way out.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1661076</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock, you have me pretty well convinced you are someone who is going places. My only degree of uncertainty is whether you are going someplace with soft walls or someplace with hard ones. And I do believe you are jealous of Aron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock, you have me pretty well convinced you are someone who is going places. My only degree of uncertainty is whether you are going someplace with soft walls or someplace with hard ones. And I do believe you are jealous of Aron.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1656654</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, Aron, more stalker-ish to Erika than to, say, yourself? I think I&#039;ve directed more than a few comments at EVERYONE on this blog all this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Aron, more stalker-ish to Erika than to, say, yourself? I think I&#8217;ve directed more than a few comments at EVERYONE on this blog all this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1654403</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks, I&#039;m beginning to think Brock isn&#039;t worth our time.

He obviously thinks he knows everything, and nothing is going to change that. And he is now becoming dangerously stalker-ish to Erika.

From now on, let us simply ignore him. Like the Internet bully he is, perhaps he will simply go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I&#8217;m beginning to think Brock isn&#8217;t worth our time.</p>
<p>He obviously thinks he knows everything, and nothing is going to change that. And he is now becoming dangerously stalker-ish to Erika.</p>
<p>From now on, let us simply ignore him. Like the Internet bully he is, perhaps he will simply go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-4/#comment-1654268</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gregory, should I be a Yankees fan and not a Phillies fan since, you know, history has gone in one direction and not in the other? Oh, and you have been in the habit of behaving like a total jerk towards others, mocking people you disagree with, much longer than I, here on this blog. If you think your older age than mine gives you license to do that as opposed to somebody in his late 20s, then your level of maturity and wisdom is much lower than mine. It&#039;s about teenage-level, in fact. Respect for elders? I&#039;ll save it for my elders who exhibit behavior worthy of it, like my grandfathers. Being counter-exemplars to the likes of you in the way they address their peers, whether leftist or rightist, they can vouch for my reputation as a youngster who has respect for the wisdom of my elders. Because THEY have earned it. I save my persona you have encountered here on this blog, Gregory, for people like YOU. Take it as flattery if you want. I&#039;d prefer that you take it as encouragement to piss off.

Reynardine . . . uh, threats? Didn&#039;t realize I was in the habit of making threats. Especially those I can&#039;t follow through with. I haven&#039;t even threatened to start a secession movement, I&#039;m pretty sure. Your knee-jerk leftist mind may register my beliefs I&#039;ve thus far communicated on this blog in that way, but all I&#039;ve said is that I&#039;m in favor of it. By knee-jerk mental reactions I mean &quot;He does not sufficiently flatter or validate the existence of the American government in its current state, therefore he hates black people and wants to enslave them.&quot; Sound about right?

Erika, I save my hostility for people like you, and my arrogance is in response to YOURS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory, should I be a Yankees fan and not a Phillies fan since, you know, history has gone in one direction and not in the other? Oh, and you have been in the habit of behaving like a total jerk towards others, mocking people you disagree with, much longer than I, here on this blog. If you think your older age than mine gives you license to do that as opposed to somebody in his late 20s, then your level of maturity and wisdom is much lower than mine. It&#8217;s about teenage-level, in fact. Respect for elders? I&#8217;ll save it for my elders who exhibit behavior worthy of it, like my grandfathers. Being counter-exemplars to the likes of you in the way they address their peers, whether leftist or rightist, they can vouch for my reputation as a youngster who has respect for the wisdom of my elders. Because THEY have earned it. I save my persona you have encountered here on this blog, Gregory, for people like YOU. Take it as flattery if you want. I&#8217;d prefer that you take it as encouragement to piss off.</p>
<p>Reynardine . . . uh, threats? Didn&#8217;t realize I was in the habit of making threats. Especially those I can&#8217;t follow through with. I haven&#8217;t even threatened to start a secession movement, I&#8217;m pretty sure. Your knee-jerk leftist mind may register my beliefs I&#8217;ve thus far communicated on this blog in that way, but all I&#8217;ve said is that I&#8217;m in favor of it. By knee-jerk mental reactions I mean &#8220;He does not sufficiently flatter or validate the existence of the American government in its current state, therefore he hates black people and wants to enslave them.&#8221; Sound about right?</p>
<p>Erika, I save my hostility for people like you, and my arrogance is in response to YOURS.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1653915</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aron, has anyone provided conclusive evidence that Brock Henderson is not a brussels sprout?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aron, has anyone provided conclusive evidence that Brock Henderson is not a brussels sprout?</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1653194</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock, as a I said before, I don&#039;t hate you. I dislike and pity you.

I was merely asking if you had a job as you strike me as someone who would be unable to function in the real world. Not that I&#039;m belittling you (you&#039;ve already done that for me).

If you&#039;ve actually paid attention to my posts, you&#039;d see there&#039;s only one thing I hate. And it&#039;s a brassica. Not a person.

Well, maybe one person. And he has commented on other posts. But I won&#039;t mention his name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock, as a I said before, I don&#8217;t hate you. I dislike and pity you.</p>
<p>I was merely asking if you had a job as you strike me as someone who would be unable to function in the real world. Not that I&#8217;m belittling you (you&#8217;ve already done that for me).</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve actually paid attention to my posts, you&#8217;d see there&#8217;s only one thing I hate. And it&#8217;s a brassica. Not a person.</p>
<p>Well, maybe one person. And he has commented on other posts. But I won&#8217;t mention his name.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1653068</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock, I suspect the part you wanted me to get was &quot;arsenal of weaponry&quot;, because the stuff you cited was just not dangerous. There is no use citing law to you, because you make up law and you make up cites. No one is going to put up with your Gish gallop, and no one is impressed by your threats. Get some psychiatric attention before some court sends you on a quilted vacation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock, I suspect the part you wanted me to get was &#8220;arsenal of weaponry&#8221;, because the stuff you cited was just not dangerous. There is no use citing law to you, because you make up law and you make up cites. No one is going to put up with your Gish gallop, and no one is impressed by your threats. Get some psychiatric attention before some court sends you on a quilted vacation.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1652544</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 12:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two responses - first my flat out mean girl response: 

Oh it looks like that special little snowflake Brock has melted down.  What an adorable little temper tantrum as the strong armchair commando gets in a tizzy due to the mean girl.  Maybe he can run upstairs to his mommy to comfort him :P

Okay, my more serious response (but its still kind of mean, sorry to the little fragile teacup, but the real world can be like that),

Brock, you are one hostile person.  You are also extremely ignorant.  You need serious help in both categories.   More for the hostility actually, because hostility will always destroy you in the end.  Your ignorance may well be terminal however due to your arrogance.

And i&#039;m sorry that you apparently believe that if a &quot;female&quot; has an opinion contrary to yours that she can&#039;t be a woman.  You seem to have no problem calling me a girl though.  Apparently you think that belittles me.   Silly boy you have no clue about that either.  You have long past the point where you are just pounding the table :P

its pretty obvious that your view of women is as twisted as your view on the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two responses &#8211; first my flat out mean girl response: </p>
<p>Oh it looks like that special little snowflake Brock has melted down.  What an adorable little temper tantrum as the strong armchair commando gets in a tizzy due to the mean girl.  Maybe he can run upstairs to his mommy to comfort him :P</p>
<p>Okay, my more serious response (but its still kind of mean, sorry to the little fragile teacup, but the real world can be like that),</p>
<p>Brock, you are one hostile person.  You are also extremely ignorant.  You need serious help in both categories.   More for the hostility actually, because hostility will always destroy you in the end.  Your ignorance may well be terminal however due to your arrogance.</p>
<p>And i&#8217;m sorry that you apparently believe that if a &#8220;female&#8221; has an opinion contrary to yours that she can&#8217;t be a woman.  You seem to have no problem calling me a girl though.  Apparently you think that belittles me.   Silly boy you have no clue about that either.  You have long past the point where you are just pounding the table :P</p>
<p>its pretty obvious that your view of women is as twisted as your view on the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1650188</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock,
You lost your argument because history is not on your side. By &quot;history&quot;, I mean the factual/actual events and decisions that shaped the course of events, rather than the fantasy world that you inhabit. Quote all the speeches and papers you wish, they have little effect on what actually happened.

As for the rest of your tiresome shtick, basically you are an Internet Tuff Guy ®.  Your provocation may seem brave on your side of the screen, but what the rest of the world perceives is a pathetic little boy, evoking more pity than fear or hatred.

 In the current vernacular, Epic Fail. I can say, with some certainty, that you would not behave this way in my presence, as I am an old man with little tolerance of the behaviour you seem to consider &quot;manly&quot;.

I will repeat my previous admonition; Grow up. Get a clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock,<br />
You lost your argument because history is not on your side. By &#8220;history&#8221;, I mean the factual/actual events and decisions that shaped the course of events, rather than the fantasy world that you inhabit. Quote all the speeches and papers you wish, they have little effect on what actually happened.</p>
<p>As for the rest of your tiresome shtick, basically you are an Internet Tuff Guy ®.  Your provocation may seem brave on your side of the screen, but what the rest of the world perceives is a pathetic little boy, evoking more pity than fear or hatred.</p>
<p> In the current vernacular, Epic Fail. I can say, with some certainty, that you would not behave this way in my presence, as I am an old man with little tolerance of the behaviour you seem to consider &#8220;manly&#8221;.</p>
<p>I will repeat my previous admonition; Grow up. Get a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1650187</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aron, you are pathetically desperate to marginalize people you hate, aren&#039;t you? Well, you have found good company with the SPLC . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aron, you are pathetically desperate to marginalize people you hate, aren&#8217;t you? Well, you have found good company with the SPLC . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1650023</link>
		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And exactly, Brock, how does any assignment of gender to Erika play into this? You state you have been lurking for some time. Did those peach bottom jokes drive you into a darkened theater in Onancock?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And exactly, Brock, how does any assignment of gender to Erika play into this? You state you have been lurking for some time. Did those peach bottom jokes drive you into a darkened theater in Onancock?</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1649965</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock, do you have a job?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock, do you have a job?</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/02/07/oath-keepers-patriot-group-plans-50-anti-gun-control-rallies-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-1648853</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 16:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve been over this before, Reynardine. Many a blog ago. I have an arsenal of weaponry at my disposal called The Debate on the Constitution. It includes the Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, statements of ratification from the statehouses, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution. I guess you don&#039;t remember where Erika made the argument that - haha, pardon me while I laugh - the Constitution is a document ratified by PEOPLE and not STATES. Meaning, of course - and the Federalist Party spared no drop of ink or breath during their speeches explicitly reassuring the Anti-Feds that the proposed document would do NO SUCH THING - that the government does in fact remove and eliminate the state governments as barriers to its reach and scope. How MANY excerpts from the speeches made during those debates do you want me to post here, Reynardine, where Madison or Hamilton explicitly refute such nonsense?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been over this before, Reynardine. Many a blog ago. I have an arsenal of weaponry at my disposal called The Debate on the Constitution. It includes the Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, statements of ratification from the statehouses, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution. I guess you don&#8217;t remember where Erika made the argument that &#8211; haha, pardon me while I laugh &#8211; the Constitution is a document ratified by PEOPLE and not STATES. Meaning, of course &#8211; and the Federalist Party spared no drop of ink or breath during their speeches explicitly reassuring the Anti-Feds that the proposed document would do NO SUCH THING &#8211; that the government does in fact remove and eliminate the state governments as barriers to its reach and scope. How MANY excerpts from the speeches made during those debates do you want me to post here, Reynardine, where Madison or Hamilton explicitly refute such nonsense?</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guarantee you, Brock, that you will never get a chance to find out if Erika is a woman or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guarantee you, Brock, that you will never get a chance to find out if Erika is a woman or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erika, you possess a law degree and you are female, indeed, but you are not intelligent, nor are you a woman. Learn to spell and cease your feminist war against both manhood and womanhood, then you might qualify. I&#039;m a jerk, you say, because of the way I address you on this blog? Erika dear, just one question for you:

How does it feel?

I mentioned awhile back that I started monitoring this blog perhaps as long as 6 months before I started posting comments. What I gathered from my perusal of the mind-numbing stupidity emanating from these cyberquarters is that a &quot;jerk&quot; is the exact way YOU act towards people with opposing views who comment on this blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika, you possess a law degree and you are female, indeed, but you are not intelligent, nor are you a woman. Learn to spell and cease your feminist war against both manhood and womanhood, then you might qualify. I&#8217;m a jerk, you say, because of the way I address you on this blog? Erika dear, just one question for you:</p>
<p>How does it feel?</p>
<p>I mentioned awhile back that I started monitoring this blog perhaps as long as 6 months before I started posting comments. What I gathered from my perusal of the mind-numbing stupidity emanating from these cyberquarters is that a &#8220;jerk&#8221; is the exact way YOU act towards people with opposing views who comment on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 23:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ZOMG! Erika misspelled a word? 

Really, Brock, grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZOMG! Erika misspelled a word? </p>
<p>Really, Brock, grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Reynardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reynardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock: you have refuted not one of Erika&#039;s arguments. All you can come up with is that, in a long and detailed response to you, there was one misspelling or misprint of a word otherwise spelled and used correctly at least a dozen times. Otherwise, her arguments were cogent and well stated, and you did not endeavor to refute a one logically.

We do gather that the freedom you feel was infringed upon was the freedom to deprive others of theirs. You have stated it was an unbearable infringement of your human dignity not to be able to treat others with indignities normally visited on livestock. To you, treason is the refusal to obey traitors, and your right to bear arms appears to be to threaten others with weapons of mass murder if they refuse to bow to your will. You have the right to believe these things; though you have no right to publish them here, they are being so published. What you do not have the right to do is put your ideas into practice by force. The day and hour you defy the guarantees of your sovereign thus, you will find that you and we indeed owe our allegiance to the same sovereign, and that sovereign will indeed extend its protection even to those of your fellow citizens whom you despise most]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock: you have refuted not one of Erika&#8217;s arguments. All you can come up with is that, in a long and detailed response to you, there was one misspelling or misprint of a word otherwise spelled and used correctly at least a dozen times. Otherwise, her arguments were cogent and well stated, and you did not endeavor to refute a one logically.</p>
<p>We do gather that the freedom you feel was infringed upon was the freedom to deprive others of theirs. You have stated it was an unbearable infringement of your human dignity not to be able to treat others with indignities normally visited on livestock. To you, treason is the refusal to obey traitors, and your right to bear arms appears to be to threaten others with weapons of mass murder if they refuse to bow to your will. You have the right to believe these things; though you have no right to publish them here, they are being so published. What you do not have the right to do is put your ideas into practice by force. The day and hour you defy the guarantees of your sovereign thus, you will find that you and we indeed owe our allegiance to the same sovereign, and that sovereign will indeed extend its protection even to those of your fellow citizens whom you despise most</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erika, you silly little airhead, we&#039;ve been over this before. The indisputable fact that states - independent nation-states, that is - were the parties responsible for ratifying the Constitution is discussed explicitly between James Madison and Patrick Henry. Remember those quotes from the Debates I posted? Now don&#039;t you make me post them again, young lady, I don&#039;t want to have to make you look like an even sillier little girl. There&#039;s also a couple of things called logic and reason: Let&#039;s see, the entities that arose from the War for Independence from Great Britain were independent STATES. You know, like France, and Italy, and Sri Lanka. If another government exerts full and unlimited power over a collection of STATES, then they ARE NOT STATES ANYMORE. Provinces, counties, prefectures, territories, they could be called any of those things, but not states. I missed the part where the United States GAVE UP their STATEHOOD to the government they created in 1789. To give up all of the independence fought for just a few years prior would be nothing short of self-inflicted masochism. That&#039;s why they DIDN&#039;T. Like it or not, and I know it&#039;s definitely the latter for you, there is that &quot;pursuant to the Constitution&quot; caveat attached to the Federal Supremacy Clause. There is nothing FEDERAL about a government which exerts top-down unlimited authority and power over the lower forms of government under its jurisdiction. That is an explicitly and exclusively NATIONAL government. After all - and please, Erika, for your own intellectual well-being, read the following line very carefully - the STATES created the FEDS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Only in that way would an unaccountable, all-powerful national government which you pine for, make any sense. And once and for all, there is this one type of government principally defined by its assertion of nation-state status by way of bullets instead of ballots: an EMPIRE. 

As for your description of the vices of the Confederacy, wow! You&#039;re saying that governments tend a little towards tyranny during wartime, and their people tend to flee in order to avoid the paths of destruction? Brilliant! Didn&#039;t know that! I thought freedom and liberty absolutely FLUORISHED during war! 

Moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika, you silly little airhead, we&#8217;ve been over this before. The indisputable fact that states &#8211; independent nation-states, that is &#8211; were the parties responsible for ratifying the Constitution is discussed explicitly between James Madison and Patrick Henry. Remember those quotes from the Debates I posted? Now don&#8217;t you make me post them again, young lady, I don&#8217;t want to have to make you look like an even sillier little girl. There&#8217;s also a couple of things called logic and reason: Let&#8217;s see, the entities that arose from the War for Independence from Great Britain were independent STATES. You know, like France, and Italy, and Sri Lanka. If another government exerts full and unlimited power over a collection of STATES, then they ARE NOT STATES ANYMORE. Provinces, counties, prefectures, territories, they could be called any of those things, but not states. I missed the part where the United States GAVE UP their STATEHOOD to the government they created in 1789. To give up all of the independence fought for just a few years prior would be nothing short of self-inflicted masochism. That&#8217;s why they DIDN&#8217;T. Like it or not, and I know it&#8217;s definitely the latter for you, there is that &#8220;pursuant to the Constitution&#8221; caveat attached to the Federal Supremacy Clause. There is nothing FEDERAL about a government which exerts top-down unlimited authority and power over the lower forms of government under its jurisdiction. That is an explicitly and exclusively NATIONAL government. After all &#8211; and please, Erika, for your own intellectual well-being, read the following line very carefully &#8211; the STATES created the FEDS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Only in that way would an unaccountable, all-powerful national government which you pine for, make any sense. And once and for all, there is this one type of government principally defined by its assertion of nation-state status by way of bullets instead of ballots: an EMPIRE. </p>
<p>As for your description of the vices of the Confederacy, wow! You&#8217;re saying that governments tend a little towards tyranny during wartime, and their people tend to flee in order to avoid the paths of destruction? Brilliant! Didn&#8217;t know that! I thought freedom and liberty absolutely FLUORISHED during war! </p>
<p>Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[poor brock, what a burden it must be to be a special little snowflake who is right when everyone else is wrong and no matter how much evidence to the contrary there might be he can always fall back on &quot;brock is always right.&quot;

Odd that this supposed defender of the Constitution winds up sounding like nothing as much but an old school royalist speaking about the &quot;divine right of kings.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poor brock, what a burden it must be to be a special little snowflake who is right when everyone else is wrong and no matter how much evidence to the contrary there might be he can always fall back on &#8220;brock is always right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Odd that this supposed defender of the Constitution winds up sounding like nothing as much but an old school royalist speaking about the &#8220;divine right of kings.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SentientHominid</title>
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		<dc:creator>SentientHominid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 10:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The vantage point of OKs and IIIpers is understandable - NOLA, less than a decade in the past. First-hand knowledge, this poster was present when it happened. USMIL (USAR, USNG and USA) forcibly confiscating lawfully held weapons.  Unfortunately, the marginal few, on the periphery (of all groups), cast the longest shadow.  

Regardless of circumstance, the pretext is set.  Never let a crisis go unleveraged. Sandy Hook, the same as Katrina.  Right or Left, it simply doesn&#039;t matter.  What matters to the unaccountable political class, (just like the bourgois, the royalty, the communists, the CEOs, and  dictators of all stripes before them) is the preservation of their power and authority.  To the detriment of everything and everyone else.  Benevolent human leadership is an oxymoron, as is truly altruistic job performance. 

I believe our nation and it&#039;s founding principles are the only hope left for humanity.  Only in America can you stand and act.  The rest of the world is indeed a very dark place, in that regard.  Having broken bread on 5 continents, in mud huts and 4-star hotels, with a good sampling of modern race, religion, and sociopolitical groups, - as both friend and adversary, I can say I truly see the benefit of human existence under divine law, and innate rights and dignity unassailable by the gerrymandering, interpretation, and meddling of men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vantage point of OKs and IIIpers is understandable &#8211; NOLA, less than a decade in the past. First-hand knowledge, this poster was present when it happened. USMIL (USAR, USNG and USA) forcibly confiscating lawfully held weapons.  Unfortunately, the marginal few, on the periphery (of all groups), cast the longest shadow.  </p>
<p>Regardless of circumstance, the pretext is set.  Never let a crisis go unleveraged. Sandy Hook, the same as Katrina.  Right or Left, it simply doesn&#8217;t matter.  What matters to the unaccountable political class, (just like the bourgois, the royalty, the communists, the CEOs, and  dictators of all stripes before them) is the preservation of their power and authority.  To the detriment of everything and everyone else.  Benevolent human leadership is an oxymoron, as is truly altruistic job performance. </p>
<p>I believe our nation and it&#8217;s founding principles are the only hope left for humanity.  Only in America can you stand and act.  The rest of the world is indeed a very dark place, in that regard.  Having broken bread on 5 continents, in mud huts and 4-star hotels, with a good sampling of modern race, religion, and sociopolitical groups, &#8211; as both friend and adversary, I can say I truly see the benefit of human existence under divine law, and innate rights and dignity unassailable by the gerrymandering, interpretation, and meddling of men.</p>
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		<title>By: concernedcitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>concernedcitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brock: correction people who enslave others and oppress and kill people based on the color of their skin and or religious beliefs are not our countrymen. They are nothing more than poisonous seeds inhabiting what would be a great and prosperous garden of civility.

And some people are just born with wonderful Souls they are gifts from God and yes Morris Dees is a good man and I believe would have been a good man no matter what color God made him.

And then there are those men who are like the bad seed &quot;devil children&quot; and it is our human plight that we must exist amongst them while we walk the earth. 

 @ Erika: I believe you posted this:

&quot;What a charmer this Brock is. Seriously, we have a guy here who is pro-child labor and wants to bring back the Articles of Confederation (and also thinks that the states have free reign to do whatever they want to people including allowing people to own slaves). If his positions weren’t truly world class nutty in and of themselves he is also a complete misogynistic jerk.&quot;

What&#039;s scary is that there are whole communities who buy into this sort of thought. They also believe in burning books while sipping out of the communal beer bong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brock: correction people who enslave others and oppress and kill people based on the color of their skin and or religious beliefs are not our countrymen. They are nothing more than poisonous seeds inhabiting what would be a great and prosperous garden of civility.</p>
<p>And some people are just born with wonderful Souls they are gifts from God and yes Morris Dees is a good man and I believe would have been a good man no matter what color God made him.</p>
<p>And then there are those men who are like the bad seed &#8220;devil children&#8221; and it is our human plight that we must exist amongst them while we walk the earth. </p>
<p> @ Erika: I believe you posted this:</p>
<p>&#8220;What a charmer this Brock is. Seriously, we have a guy here who is pro-child labor and wants to bring back the Articles of Confederation (and also thinks that the states have free reign to do whatever they want to people including allowing people to own slaves). If his positions weren’t truly world class nutty in and of themselves he is also a complete misogynistic jerk.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s scary is that there are whole communities who buy into this sort of thought. They also believe in burning books while sipping out of the communal beer bong.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;successionist&quot;

Ladies and gents, I present to you, the brilliant legal mind of this blogroll at work (look at Erika&#039;s comment right after Mr. Potok&#039;s comment on Vermont secession).

Really, Erika? SUCCESSIONIST? And you&#039;re a lawyer?

You have just confirmed yourself to be a total moron, Counselor. Congratulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;successionist&#8221;</p>
<p>Ladies and gents, I present to you, the brilliant legal mind of this blogroll at work (look at Erika&#8217;s comment right after Mr. Potok&#8217;s comment on Vermont secession).</p>
<p>Really, Erika? SUCCESSIONIST? And you&#8217;re a lawyer?</p>
<p>You have just confirmed yourself to be a total moron, Counselor. Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brock, as i told you before, your interpretation of the Constitution cannot survive past the first line.  And if the first line of the Constitution wasn&#039;t enough there is always the Supremacy Clause which makes the Federal government supreme over the states.  The Constitution also requires state officials to swear or affirm allegence to the Federal government.  And if there was any doubt after those things that the Federal government is the supreme sovereign it is removed by the Fourteenth Amendment.

When the text of the Constitution makes it clear that the Federal government is a union of people and supreme over the states you do not need to look outside of the plain language of the Constitution.   The most fundamental rule of statutory intepretation is that unambiguous plain language always carries the day. 

In fact, you hold a view that has been rejected by everyone.  i mean, even the actual Confederates favored a system of government where there was a central government with a President and a Congress.  In fact, ultimately the Confederate States of America government became more and more powerful as the war progressed.  The Confederacy created the first income tax and instituted the first draft - and overall the Southern government became extremely tyrannical.  There were many instances where people who opposed secession were summarily executed or imprisoned.  And in many portions of the South (especially in the mountains where the rich flatland planters were much less popular than the federal government), more men joined the Union Army than the Confederacy.  The Confederate Army when it started to lose the war and retreating would take everything that it could and burn the rest (much of the burning has been wrongly blamed on the Union Army which lie should be easy to see through - why would someone burn what you just captured?  Seriously, take Atlanta, why would the Union after fighting for months to capture the rail center of the deep South at Atlanta then burn it?  That makes absolutely zero sense as a strategy - and of course, it didn&#039;t happen.  It was the retreating Confederates that burned the cities like Atlanta - but as part of the &quot;Lost Cause&quot; Myth the Union Army got the blame for what the Confederates did).  During Sherman&#039;s March to the Sea the Union Army was often welcomed as a relief by whites (and obviously the freed slaves viewed them rightly as an army of liberation).  That is why especially in the deep south and west there were many cases where Confederate soldiers would desert and then actually go to the Union Army and join it. 

Of course, being steeped in the mythology of the &quot;Lost Cause of the Confederacy&quot; you do not know any of that.  Instead, the South merely wanted to go their own way.  Just ignore that their own way was a government founded on the principle of &quot;White Supremacy&quot; and would deny all rights to the majority of its occupants (remember that in the South poor whites were one step above slaves and essentially had no rights).  In fact, the existence and experience of the pro-Union southerners who were often summarily executed should be sufficient to show the error of your ways.  It is in fact, the large number of Southerners who remained loyal to the Union - or maybe initially joined the Confederacy and left during the war to rejoin the Union as has been well documented - whose rights were totally violated and as mentioned above often were imprisoned or executed who show that secession is never pretty and simple.  The creation of West Virginia where several western counties in Virginia seceeded from Virginia and petitioned to join the Union also shows that secession is not going to be a simple matter.

The problem that you face ultimately is that the only way that secession can ever take place is that if you have a democratic society with a clean line between distinct ethnic groups with the assurance of minority rights after the division.  That can happen - the split of Czechoslovikia is the one peaceful example ever.  The Czechs and Slovaks were always distinct groups who got artificallly grouped together after World War I.  Both sides essentially lived in distinct areas and were committed to democracy and human rights,  That is rare.  That is also not at all the case of the U.S. where there are many different ethnic groups, political views, social ties.  Ultimately you do have a point in saying that where i am from has very little in common with you - Georgia and California are vastly different places.  But yet, we are both Americans and this is the only country we got.  And in case of a split, there will be no clear lines - i live in Virginia now and Virginia comprises about 5 distinct areas which all have very little in common with each other.  In fact, the only thing those areas really have is that they all see themselves overall as loyal Americans first and Virginians second.

By contrast you have the former Yugoslavia where you had a much more mixed population, much less commitment to democracy and minority rights, and no fixed dividing lines between ethnic groups.  You also had a longstanding terrorist movement by secessionists.  That is a much more common situation - and the result was war and genocide.

The U.S. does not have neat lines - the states are all mixed ethnically to some degree and many are mixed ideologically as well.  The U.S. does not have near universal support for a split.   In fact, one of the real ironies of you pushing secession as a right wing wacko is that if California in fact did become its own country it is likely to be much more liberal than the government you are leaving.  The vast majority of Americans support the continuation of the Union.  If put to a vote, the number of people who really want to leave the U.S. could probably fit in one county or a small island.  Maybe you need a couple of counties that no one would miss much (like in southern Georgia or western Kansas) and then put all of you secessionist freaks together and let you have your way.

And yes, Brock you are a neo-Confederate - your view of the Civil War is entirely lifted from the myth of &quot;The Lost Cause of the Confederacy&quot; - you support secesssion, and you claim that states have the right to leave the Union (despite the fact that there is no provision within the Constitution allowing for secession (there is a provision allowing states to enter the Union) and despite the fact that the plain language makes the Constiution a Union of the People and not the States).  You also ignore that the majority of Southerners actually opposed secession - and that the Confederate States was built on a foundation of slavery and systemically violated the rights of the pro-union white minority (with the exception of mountain areas like eastern Tennessee where the Nashville government had little control).  Even defeated, the formation of the Ku Klux Klan showed that there were still Southerners who were fighting for White Supremacy (and note that in many cases, the KKK was strongest in areas where the support for the former Confederacy was weakest and most of their victims in those areas were white southerners (not blacks and carpetbaggers which were mainly targeted by the KKK in areas with large freed slave populations - these are areas where there were very few slaves and the Confederacy if they allowed voting would have lost the vote in 1861) who had always opposed the Confederacy.

It is your worship of the Confederacy (seriously, you&#039;d think that you went to public schools in Georgia or something) in addition to your support for secession which makes you a Neo-Confederate.  The evidence is overwhelming that you are such.

And Brock, if you really want to seceed you can do what some people have done - namely get your own island and have the Brock Republic.  It doesn&#039;t even have to be real.  In fact, i think the guy who had Sealand recently died so perhaps you can take it over.  It might get rather lonely living out in the middle of the ocean and you have to watch out for hurricanes (especially Hurricane Erika) but you would get what you want - a government completely under your control.  Seriously, it is pretty clear that the governmental system you actually favor is a dictatorship in which Brock is absolute dictator.  You may well figure that is the only way you could be with a woman - and based upon your attitude it is probably right.

And Gregory, while i&#039;m sure that Brock&#039;s mysogny plays some role in his reaction to me, the guy has basically proven himself to just be a jerk.  He pretty much hates everyone who doesn&#039;t see Brock Henderson as the special snowflake that is right while everyone else in the entire United States is wrong.  He might even hate himself, i don&#039;t know.  But while i&#039;m sure that he has a special hatred for intelligent women he does seem to pretty much hate everyone.   Maybe he&#039;ll grow out of the juvenile mysathrope act someday and be willing to share and join us here in the real world - but until then, it seems like he&#039;d be happier on an island.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock, as i told you before, your interpretation of the Constitution cannot survive past the first line.  And if the first line of the Constitution wasn&#8217;t enough there is always the Supremacy Clause which makes the Federal government supreme over the states.  The Constitution also requires state officials to swear or affirm allegence to the Federal government.  And if there was any doubt after those things that the Federal government is the supreme sovereign it is removed by the Fourteenth Amendment.</p>
<p>When the text of the Constitution makes it clear that the Federal government is a union of people and supreme over the states you do not need to look outside of the plain language of the Constitution.   The most fundamental rule of statutory intepretation is that unambiguous plain language always carries the day. </p>
<p>In fact, you hold a view that has been rejected by everyone.  i mean, even the actual Confederates favored a system of government where there was a central government with a President and a Congress.  In fact, ultimately the Confederate States of America government became more and more powerful as the war progressed.  The Confederacy created the first income tax and instituted the first draft &#8211; and overall the Southern government became extremely tyrannical.  There were many instances where people who opposed secession were summarily executed or imprisoned.  And in many portions of the South (especially in the mountains where the rich flatland planters were much less popular than the federal government), more men joined the Union Army than the Confederacy.  The Confederate Army when it started to lose the war and retreating would take everything that it could and burn the rest (much of the burning has been wrongly blamed on the Union Army which lie should be easy to see through &#8211; why would someone burn what you just captured?  Seriously, take Atlanta, why would the Union after fighting for months to capture the rail center of the deep South at Atlanta then burn it?  That makes absolutely zero sense as a strategy &#8211; and of course, it didn&#8217;t happen.  It was the retreating Confederates that burned the cities like Atlanta &#8211; but as part of the &#8220;Lost Cause&#8221; Myth the Union Army got the blame for what the Confederates did).  During Sherman&#8217;s March to the Sea the Union Army was often welcomed as a relief by whites (and obviously the freed slaves viewed them rightly as an army of liberation).  That is why especially in the deep south and west there were many cases where Confederate soldiers would desert and then actually go to the Union Army and join it. </p>
<p>Of course, being steeped in the mythology of the &#8220;Lost Cause of the Confederacy&#8221; you do not know any of that.  Instead, the South merely wanted to go their own way.  Just ignore that their own way was a government founded on the principle of &#8220;White Supremacy&#8221; and would deny all rights to the majority of its occupants (remember that in the South poor whites were one step above slaves and essentially had no rights).  In fact, the existence and experience of the pro-Union southerners who were often summarily executed should be sufficient to show the error of your ways.  It is in fact, the large number of Southerners who remained loyal to the Union &#8211; or maybe initially joined the Confederacy and left during the war to rejoin the Union as has been well documented &#8211; whose rights were totally violated and as mentioned above often were imprisoned or executed who show that secession is never pretty and simple.  The creation of West Virginia where several western counties in Virginia seceeded from Virginia and petitioned to join the Union also shows that secession is not going to be a simple matter.</p>
<p>The problem that you face ultimately is that the only way that secession can ever take place is that if you have a democratic society with a clean line between distinct ethnic groups with the assurance of minority rights after the division.  That can happen &#8211; the split of Czechoslovikia is the one peaceful example ever.  The Czechs and Slovaks were always distinct groups who got artificallly grouped together after World War I.  Both sides essentially lived in distinct areas and were committed to democracy and human rights,  That is rare.  That is also not at all the case of the U.S. where there are many different ethnic groups, political views, social ties.  Ultimately you do have a point in saying that where i am from has very little in common with you &#8211; Georgia and California are vastly different places.  But yet, we are both Americans and this is the only country we got.  And in case of a split, there will be no clear lines &#8211; i live in Virginia now and Virginia comprises about 5 distinct areas which all have very little in common with each other.  In fact, the only thing those areas really have is that they all see themselves overall as loyal Americans first and Virginians second.</p>
<p>By contrast you have the former Yugoslavia where you had a much more mixed population, much less commitment to democracy and minority rights, and no fixed dividing lines between ethnic groups.  You also had a longstanding terrorist movement by secessionists.  That is a much more common situation &#8211; and the result was war and genocide.</p>
<p>The U.S. does not have neat lines &#8211; the states are all mixed ethnically to some degree and many are mixed ideologically as well.  The U.S. does not have near universal support for a split.   In fact, one of the real ironies of you pushing secession as a right wing wacko is that if California in fact did become its own country it is likely to be much more liberal than the government you are leaving.  The vast majority of Americans support the continuation of the Union.  If put to a vote, the number of people who really want to leave the U.S. could probably fit in one county or a small island.  Maybe you need a couple of counties that no one would miss much (like in southern Georgia or western Kansas) and then put all of you secessionist freaks together and let you have your way.</p>
<p>And yes, Brock you are a neo-Confederate &#8211; your view of the Civil War is entirely lifted from the myth of &#8220;The Lost Cause of the Confederacy&#8221; &#8211; you support secesssion, and you claim that states have the right to leave the Union (despite the fact that there is no provision within the Constitution allowing for secession (there is a provision allowing states to enter the Union) and despite the fact that the plain language makes the Constiution a Union of the People and not the States).  You also ignore that the majority of Southerners actually opposed secession &#8211; and that the Confederate States was built on a foundation of slavery and systemically violated the rights of the pro-union white minority (with the exception of mountain areas like eastern Tennessee where the Nashville government had little control).  Even defeated, the formation of the Ku Klux Klan showed that there were still Southerners who were fighting for White Supremacy (and note that in many cases, the KKK was strongest in areas where the support for the former Confederacy was weakest and most of their victims in those areas were white southerners (not blacks and carpetbaggers which were mainly targeted by the KKK in areas with large freed slave populations &#8211; these are areas where there were very few slaves and the Confederacy if they allowed voting would have lost the vote in 1861) who had always opposed the Confederacy.</p>
<p>It is your worship of the Confederacy (seriously, you&#8217;d think that you went to public schools in Georgia or something) in addition to your support for secession which makes you a Neo-Confederate.  The evidence is overwhelming that you are such.</p>
<p>And Brock, if you really want to seceed you can do what some people have done &#8211; namely get your own island and have the Brock Republic.  It doesn&#8217;t even have to be real.  In fact, i think the guy who had Sealand recently died so perhaps you can take it over.  It might get rather lonely living out in the middle of the ocean and you have to watch out for hurricanes (especially Hurricane Erika) but you would get what you want &#8211; a government completely under your control.  Seriously, it is pretty clear that the governmental system you actually favor is a dictatorship in which Brock is absolute dictator.  You may well figure that is the only way you could be with a woman &#8211; and based upon your attitude it is probably right.</p>
<p>And Gregory, while i&#8217;m sure that Brock&#8217;s mysogny plays some role in his reaction to me, the guy has basically proven himself to just be a jerk.  He pretty much hates everyone who doesn&#8217;t see Brock Henderson as the special snowflake that is right while everyone else in the entire United States is wrong.  He might even hate himself, i don&#8217;t know.  But while i&#8217;m sure that he has a special hatred for intelligent women he does seem to pretty much hate everyone.   Maybe he&#8217;ll grow out of the juvenile mysathrope act someday and be willing to share and join us here in the real world &#8211; but until then, it seems like he&#8217;d be happier on an island.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gregory, don&#039;t shoot the messenger. T&#039;was not I, Brock, that made any argument with Erika. It&#039;s the evidence, Sherlock. The transcripts of the debates that took place amongst the representatives of the American States over the proposed Constitution do all of the necessary debunking and discrediting of Erika the Circus Clown&#039;s silliness for me. It&#039;s pretty easy to do since that &quot;200 years of American jurisprudence&quot; hogwash you mentioned is itself one big 200-year journey of removal from that Constitution, as far away as possible.

Sigh, alrighty Ruslan, hmm, where to begin . . . 

Oh yes, the definition of a nation. Generally that&#039;s true - a real nation must consist of people with at the very least SIMILAR goals and principles. Ones which are not at total odds with each other. Culture, customs, and traditions are the most important, though. Where observable segments of a society possess polar-opposite views about these things, there is no nation of people, just masses of people under the jurisdiction of the same government, usually by brutal totalitarian means. This is common knowledge, not an arbitrary definition. Concerning the request to prove a negative, that&#039;s fair enough. That begs the question, though: What binds you together in common cause with radical right-wing Americans? What values do you share with us? Which American historical figures do we AND you look up to as heroes - and for the same reasons? This goes for all of you, by the way. This ought to be good.

But Ruslan flunks U.S. History 101 for actually calling secession a type of insurgency. Please, dear boy, submit for our consideration, transcripts of the requests for aid from the Feds, submitted by the legislatures of the Southern States, for the purpose of quelling their several insurgent rebellions. Again, this ought to be good.

And you answered your own question about the South&#039;s treatment of its non-citizen population, if there is at least a piece of a brain behind that skull. Otherwise, here it is: Generally, people in a country who are not citizens of that country are . . . . wait for it, I love surprising people! . . . NOT treated the same as its people who ARE citizens! Don&#039;t you just love learning new things?! 

Moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory, don&#8217;t shoot the messenger. T&#8217;was not I, Brock, that made any argument with Erika. It&#8217;s the evidence, Sherlock. The transcripts of the debates that took place amongst the representatives of the American States over the proposed Constitution do all of the necessary debunking and discrediting of Erika the Circus Clown&#8217;s silliness for me. It&#8217;s pretty easy to do since that &#8220;200 years of American jurisprudence&#8221; hogwash you mentioned is itself one big 200-year journey of removal from that Constitution, as far away as possible.</p>
<p>Sigh, alrighty Ruslan, hmm, where to begin . . . </p>
<p>Oh yes, the definition of a nation. Generally that&#8217;s true &#8211; a real nation must consist of people with at the very least SIMILAR goals and principles. Ones which are not at total odds with each other. Culture, customs, and traditions are the most important, though. Where observable segments of a society possess polar-opposite views about these things, there is no nation of people, just masses of people under the jurisdiction of the same government, usually by brutal totalitarian means. This is common knowledge, not an arbitrary definition. Concerning the request to prove a negative, that&#8217;s fair enough. That begs the question, though: What binds you together in common cause with radical right-wing Americans? What values do you share with us? Which American historical figures do we AND you look up to as heroes &#8211; and for the same reasons? This goes for all of you, by the way. This ought to be good.</p>
<p>But Ruslan flunks U.S. History 101 for actually calling secession a type of insurgency. Please, dear boy, submit for our consideration, transcripts of the requests for aid from the Feds, submitted by the legislatures of the Southern States, for the purpose of quelling their several insurgent rebellions. Again, this ought to be good.</p>
<p>And you answered your own question about the South&#8217;s treatment of its non-citizen population, if there is at least a piece of a brain behind that skull. Otherwise, here it is: Generally, people in a country who are not citizens of that country are . . . . wait for it, I love surprising people! . . . NOT treated the same as its people who ARE citizens! Don&#8217;t you just love learning new things?! </p>
<p>Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beautifully said, Gregory!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully said, Gregory!</p>
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