I wouldn’t pay too much attention to it. For all their claims that they are against “both parties,” as soon as a Republican gets in office a large chunk of their membership will settle down and go into defensive mode, just like they did when Bush became president.

Also I’d like to say I loved the article on women in the movement and I would like to renew my request, indeed plea, for the release of Erika Gliebe’s “I Married a Freak” texts.

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This *infame* bunch have actually published the name and address, and perhaps photo, of a nineteen year old girl in Melbourne, Florida.

In Russia the cops are called “militsiya” (militia). They haven’t used the term “politsiya” (police), a fascist term, since 1920.

I concur with Ruslan. We want to hear the freaky-deaky tales!

I would say that all the points and concerns Mr. Cohen has raised are matters that should be of the deepest concern. These are not light matters and I would not prescribe that the hate will go away when a Republican President is elected.

It is the complacent attitudes of those who could make a difference that helps to allow this poison in our society to fester. I hope that U.S. Attorney General Holder as well as our Home Land Security will pay close attention to Mr. Cohens recommendations.

I have never seen so much hate and divide in this country, with people who organize to perpetrate harm to others in their communities. It’s a shame and it puts such an ugly face on America.

Our home grown terrorism is far more immediately threatening than I believe our foreign enemies currently are. Not to say that attention should be taken away from foreign threats but we need to stop the complacent eye in which we use to watch whats going on here right in our own backyards.

Actually the Russian police are now known as politsiya; I think the official change was in 2010 but I don’t remember noticing it until at least 2011. It was a big deal when it was announced.

That “Redwatch” site is a joke. It’s obviously designed as an answer to various sites which “out” racists like OPP, but there’s just one little problem. “Outing” someone as an anti-racist doesn’t really do much. American society, for the most part, abhors overt expressions of racism and at least superficially espouses commitment to racial equality. In other words your boss is never going to have a little chat with you which begins with, “So I understand that you’re against racism…I’m afraid that’s something our business can’t be associated with.”

So on that level it fails completely and hilariously. Now with a name like “Aryan Terror Brigade”(maybe it was something else but it’s literally too stupid to remember), one could infer that it’s like some kind of threat. They put out the info and then their brave revolutionaries will hunt them down. Seeing as how everyone on their list seems just fine, that’s highly unlikely. In fact they’re LUCKY nobody has been stupid enough to make a move against any of those people. Otherwise it would get back to their site, law enforcement would come down on them like a hammer, and then their parents would ban them from the computer for life.

Also their “about” page his hilarious as well. It’s always a laugh when a new skinhead crew forms and makes a bunch of rules acting as if no skinhead crew has ever tried this before. Believe me, HUNDREDS of Neo-Nazi skins have done the whole, “We’re gonna be disciplined, political soldiers and not spend all our time drinking beer and fighting over women” routine before. It has NEVER worked. Join a skinhead crew and you’re not going to be hunting down poor old Sam Webb in his Bill Cosby sweater. You’re going to be looking over your shoulder thanks to your “Aryan” brothers most of your time.

That’s why it’s ridiculous how they’ll attack former skinheads; had those skins stayed skins they might have been killed by their own “brothers” anyway, and for the stupidest reason, i.e. “Hey Stacey said you’ve been talking behind my back, is that true(throws fist)” And the thing is that this is so common that even the most dedicated, experienced Nazi skin who might be reading this, no matter how angry he might be, knows this is true. It’s no doubt already happened to him plenty of times.

Look, WN…Your movement isn’t going to change, it’s not going to get better. It is a FAILURE, and it will always FAIL. How much of your life do you want to waste on it?

The kind of women who are attracted to this movement are in good part pathetic, and they are in still sorrier case when they try to leave. If they have come in with a spouse or partner, they are clearly at risk of both spouse and group violence, or especially the one abetting the other. This is not a matter for levity at all.

“The recent talk of gun control, which has sparked state legislative efforts to “nullify” any federal legislation and also a movement of rural sheriffs who promise to resist, is now adding fuel to a fire that was already burning at white-hot temperatures”

No kidding now is not the time to be living in small towns with smaller minds that give into this crap.

“The resurgence of the Patriot movement, which first rose and fell in the 1990s, has largely been a reaction to the election of the nation’s first black president in 2008 —”

Yes this caused every man and woman over 40 with a third grade education to crawl out and yell, “they done put a black man in the white house!”

It’s not the first or last time a black man will rule or lead a nation, it’s just the first time a black man has led this nation as President.

I’m seriously wondering if more education regarding international history would help to sooth the bigot unrest in this country?

Maybe help them come to grips and let go of the unfounded conspiracy theories they are spreading around like wild “stupidfire”.

I am no longer letting anyone who stockpiles weapons so that he can overthrow a legitimately elected government tell me that I am not a patriot and that he is. Let’s find another word to refer to them.

I’m glad to see my old friend who has gone completely off the deep end made this list. He’ll probably wear it as a mark of achievement.

where are your complaints about al sharpton and jesse jackson? they are the 2 biggest racists in the country but i guess its okay bc they are black. your views and interpretations of “patriots” are very naive and you are fear mongering. focus on the real problem, the left. were patriots the problem when they fought against their tyrannical government and won their independence from Britain when they settled here? no, the government was. i debate with liberals every day and never once has any of them ever presented facts to me as i do them. there is a reason we are considered “right” and you are “left” field…

Alright Proudconservative, let’s hear some ‘facts.’

I’ll be waiting.

@proudconservative: reinterating you have presented no facts. Your personal opinion alone does not stand as presenting “facts”.

Develop an argument that is worthy of intelligent people.

@aron: sorry to hear about your troll problem hope the moderators kick them out.

Yes, “Proud conservative”, you claim to debate with liberals every day, so surely you can debate with us(though I am no liberal). Please present “facts” as to why Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are, as you claimed, racists, and why “the left” is the “real problem” in America.

There are no facts, Aron. This guy just glunked a couple of cans of right wing alphabet soup and ralphed them up, in an undigested condition, onto his keyboard.

Concerned citizen — regarding whether education would help these folks: Don’t we wish! Unfortunately, one of the hallmarks of folks like this, which has recently been exacerbated by all of the anti-public school, liberals are indoctrinating our kids in the public schools talk, is that they are so suspicious of, and often hostile toward, education. Look at the fussing last year by certain conservatives in Texas (and elsewhere) about how teaching kids “critical thinking skills” would undermine parental authority. I guess the thought was that encouraging kids to pick apart information and consider whether it supports or refutes other information is a bad thing because it would, among other things, encourage kids to wonder if the earth is REALLY 6,000 years old.

Frankly, I am not sure what one does to lift the vail of ignorance from the eyes of folks who embrace it so willingly. I have to say, though, that the crazy right-wing crap broadcast by Fox News and certain talk-radio “personalities” has made those who are already ignorant even more ignorant — and incredibly mean. I don’t know where this mob mentality will take us; I hope that there is minimal loss of life. But the damage is substantial, since so much of the hatred of others that is being cultivated by these “news” sources is being done (I believe) to distract the public from bigger issues, such as how many people now live at the edge of poverty (or in poverty) and how the gap between the wealthiest and the poorest continues to grow to obscene proportions. So the “haves” send the white “rabble” off to threaten minorities and those who don’t agree with them (meaning people with I.Q.s above 95).

It’s all very sad, and the damage that is done to society in general is incalculable.

Proudconservative — Please explain how “the left” is a problem. I hope you are not one of these “frozen in time” folks who is still thinking of the 60s and student radicals, because “the left” hasn’t blown anything up in a very long while — unlike some of the very misguided folks who identify themselves with “the right.”

I suspect that, if indeed you have “debated with liberals,” it is likely that even if they had presented you with facts, you would have had trouble comprehending what they were saying to you. I am going out on a limb here and making the assumption that you tend to bust things down to very simple answers: Revolutionary War because of tyrannical English Government, versus Revolutionary War because the wealthier element in the American Colonies didn’t want to pay taxes, and frankly, it made sense for fast-growing colonies on a separate continent (and settled by more than simply the English by then)to go their own way. But that interpretation is less flashy and dramatic than simple-minded or the authoritarian-leaning person to comprehend.

I do believe that there are “problems” with the use of the term “Patriot.” Being “anti-patriot” sounds “un-American.” The problem is that the self-described “patriots” of the last 20 years or so are also anti-government, and at least a few of these groups have been violent. Yet other current “patriots” are driven by a “moral panic” over the fact that America isn’t as “white” as it used to be and is becoming less so. They respond viscerally to demographic changes like a bunch of brats throwing a tantrum.

In reading these comments, I can’t help but notice that the primary audience of the SPLC are big-city liberals who feel morally and intellectually superior to everyone else. You rail against people who live in small towns, call them uneducated and racist. Last I checked, there were no klansman or neo nazis parked outside the polling places, telling the voters that white power was returning. Yet not a peep when the Black Panthers scared off voters.

The Liberal Left scares me more than the Radical Right.

Mike, this is obviously your first time here.

The New Black Panthers ARE listed as a hate group. And there have been SEVERAL articles written about them.

Not that I would ever expect you to take the time to actually read the site…

Mike — not all of us are big-city liberals. I grew up in a small town and I happen to like small towns. One can find racists and idiots anywhere — in cities, suburbs, small towns, and rural areas — just as you can find folks who are thoughtful and intelligent anywhere, as well. I, for one, don’t equate intelligence or even knowledge with formal education — and I know that there are people who do, both on the “Left” and the “Right.” Insufferable people are insufferable, whichever ideologies they embrace.

Also, I acknowledge that there are some folks who are “more comfortable with their own kind.” Personally, my kind are people who are nice and funny and like to talk and learn; I don’t go by class or race or ethnicity. I think it is sad when people are knee-jerk about who they like or don’t based simply on race. There is so much more to EVERYONE than that. I also expect that if we had a chance to talk, one-on-one, that we could find common ground of some sort, and end up having a pretty good time.

I have been fortunate to have had a job that has put me into contact with many different people — and kinds of people, if we are going to go according to race, class, education, where they live, etc. Do I absolutely love everything about every one? No. I’m not into NASCAR, or hunting, or watching the Kardashians, or drinking white wine while watching art films (actually, I would probably prefer NASCAR to that. Or hunting. It’s a toss-up between the white wine and art film fest and discussing Kardashians.)

These might be absurd examples (they are — I admit it), but a lot of the reasons why some groups of people dislike other groups (as a whole — I’m not talking about one idiot you met) are often just as silly.

Also, please do come up with something better than the whole Black Panthers scaring white voters thing. Wasn’t that in 2008? And was the guy even DOING anything? If he was trying to intimidate people, bad on him. No one should be allowed to do that. But are you really going to extrapolate what one guy (or a handful) might have done to an entire race? I have a neighbor who doesn’t like me and happens to be an elections judge (or she was, she has since been invited not to do it anymore). She also doesn’t like people who are Independents or, in Illinois, have to declare as Democrats (or Republicans) in primaries. So I am down as a Democrate, although I have never voted straight ticket in my life (and doubt that I ever will. BTW — I tend to vote Republican on the local level because the candidates are better than the Dems who have been fielded by the local party lately).

Anyway, this woman made every one who had ever declared themselves as a Democrat go home and get three forms of ID. Am I supposed to believe all white women are jerks — or that this particular specimen is a jerk?

And if you are going to talk about voter intimidation, I’d look at some of the shenanigans involving U.S. citizens who happen to be Hispanic, particularly in some areas of Arizona. Now some of these folks have been confronted with gun-totting white guys during multiple elections. Now that borders on intimidation. However, I know a lot of right-leaning people who would never do such a thing. Instead, the problem with folks like this isn’t ideology nearly as much as a plain, old bully mentality. And they happen to be right-leaning. And unfortunately, the right currently has a lot of people (politicians and TV/radio infotainment personalities) who are sufficiently paranoid and disgusting to egg the bullies on.

“In reading these comments, I can’t help but notice that the primary audience of the SPLC are big-city liberals who feel morally and intellectually superior to everyone else. You rail against people who live in small towns, call them uneducated and racist.”

1. I’m not a liberal.

2. Please ditch the idiotic “small towns” clap trap. For one thing, I hear conservatives talking about small towns all the time even when they were born and raised in big cities all their lives. Hell, many of those conservatives lived in my city.

Nobody called people who live in small towns unintelligent, but I will say that if you have a romantic view of small towns it means that you probably don’t live in one. True, some small towns can be wonderful communities, but others can be hopelessly corrupt and full of meth labs.

” Yet not a peep when the Black Panthers scared off voters.”

Sorry buddy, but this never happened. A couple of Black Panthers stood outside a polling place, and a white guy videotaped them and found them intimidating. No actual voters complained that they had been intimidated.

Just a little follow up on the issue of “proudconservative.”

1. Although I’m not a liberal, I spend a lot of time reading liberal news sites, listening to their radio, and in the past I associated with many liberals. One thing I noticed is that liberals don’t really have much to say about Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. Conservatives just assume, because their radio DJ masters tell them, that liberals or leftists adore various members of the conservative rogues gallery such as George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson. In reality these people are rarely mentioned at all because most serious liberals don’t really feel represented by them, and real leftists have no regard for them whatsoever.

2. Funny that the patriot “proud conservative” has such poor English skills.

I am left questioning the legitimacy of the SPLC in the wake of of the decision to write that letter to Holder and Napolitano. Writing Eric Holder a letter requesting further government spending in a time of unchecked government debt? Mr. Fast and Furious himself? Asking Janet Napolitano to request the creation of a new interagency task force and to request more resources devoted to the threat? The same Napolitano who has ordered 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammuntion (hollow point rounds are not for training, my friend), a contract for 7,000 brand new AR-15s and the appearance of over 7000 DHS Street-Sweeper vehicles? The more things that happen with Holder and the DHS, the more that conspiracy theory becomes less of a theory and more or an accepted fact…especially when little, no or poor reasoning is given. Any way you slice it, the aforementioned actions are the stimulus causing the public to respond in such a way. Could it be that the recent and poorly-explained mass purchases by DHS are the very cause of what you term “right wing extremism”. How many of these extremists are just concerned people who are expressing their fear and disagreement. More money and resources being thrown to an already bloated entitity such as DHS will only fan the flames. It is not right wing extremists crying foul anymore…it is everyone…everyone is scared and concerned by the actions of DHS. It saddens be to see that the SPLC wants escalation…violence only begets violence. Sad.

Mike, I live in a tiny Florida Cracker town of two thousand people, and, after spending the day protecting plants (including the ubiquitous collards and sweet potatoes) from an expected freeze, I cut down two saplings, cleaned up chicken doodoo, and wasted two hours chasing down my red rooster. I do my own damn carpentry and painting and make my own damn lemon marmalade from my own damn lemon tree, and if I need to mail something, I walk a mile to the post office. I have, in my time, worked with criminals, the insane, and the criminally insane, and as liberals go, I’m pink as a damn flamingo, so to you, who will probably not be up to living the way I do when you’re pushing seventy, I say you can take your liberals-are-clueless-city-slicker fairy tale and stick it into the nearest… juke box.

Mike-

Speaking as a liberal who lives in a small-town FILLED with liberals… I’m calling you uneducated in that you think that elitism has anything to do with racism or political extremism. Have a nice day and read a book.

@mike: small town racists aren’t necessary that open about their hate. They like to do other things that continually harass people they don’t like or believe fit their idea of the “American Family Branch” they have spawned from.

I’m all for small towns, I just don’t like small minds. All families that come and live in a small town should feel free to visit the stores without being harassed or held up in line for some racist agenda. They should feel free to patronize businesses and services without being intimidated or shown a bad time by those who run the place.

All hateful bigots don’t openly where white sheets with pointed hats, but the hate mongering attire adorns their hearts and their actions and when that poisons a small town then I don’t believe it’s suitable for anyone to live and thrive in.

Those who embrace true civility and an inclusive humanity are the ones we need leading our communities and our country.

@Reynardine: you said:

“The kind of women who are attracted to this movement are in good part pathetic,”

This too has been my experience.

My question would be. Is anyone who considers them-self a patriot of America to be labelled a domestic terrorist, ins’t that a little extreme and maybe politically motivated?

One more thing. If Eric Holder considers SPLC as a legitimate source for intelligence then said people will be held liable for damages. They will also fall under scrutiny like SPLC did the first time when SPLC’s recommendations were found in FBI databases as legitimate sources of intelligence. Becareful SPLC, you know you are walking a fine line between right and wrong, partisan and non partisan and legal action.

Eric, there is nothing that starts a day on a greater note of levity than a pipsqueak making threats.

Eric, when one’s notion of patriotism includes making threats, blowing up federal buildings or shooting government agents, then yes it is terrorism. When one’s notion of patriotism is seeking peaceful change even if misguided than its not terrorism. Its that simple.

Given the record of so called “Patriot groups” people fail to pay attention to them at their peril. Remember when the right wing went into a tizzy when a report mentioned that extremist groups were recruiting military members and maybe we should bewary of it. Then silence from the right when members of the military were caught plotting to overthrow the U.S. government.

Don’t be blinded by your political views into missing a threat. Dead in a terrorist attack from self proclaimed patriots is just as dead as dead from a terrorist attack by self proclaimed jihadists.

Eric, people who are labelled domestic terrorists aren’t labeled so just because they claim to be patriots. People who form militias and claim to be preparing for war against the government, and people who claim the government has no jurisdiction over them, are the types to be labeled domestic terrorists. If you are going to claim the government of your country has no legitimacy and nor jurisdiction over you, you should at least have the courage and the sense of responsibility to accept the label “terrorist” or at the very least, “insurgent.”

concernedcitizen said,
on March 7th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

“They like to do other things that continually harass people they don’t like or believe fit their idea of the “American Family Branch” they have spawned from.
I’m all for small towns, I just don’t like small minds. All families that come and live in a small town should feel free to visit the stores without being harassed or held up in line for some racist agenda. They should feel free to patronize businesses and services without being intimidated or shown a bad time by those who run the place.”

If you try to report it: they line up and you get laughed at, smirked at, insulted, shot at, your property destroyed, local cops tailing/stalking you, local people stalking/tailing you, barrages of spam and on-line stalking, key loggers in your computer, constant hacking and attacks, death threats and hang up calls, false “police reports” and accusations about “insanity”, “delusions”, “paranoia”, “drug addiction”, “hiding something”, “dangerous” or “hostile and angry”, “diseased”, etc… terrorism.

Standard, tried and true, Klan stalking.

Particularly if you know they and their buddies are tied to local drug rings or major Felonies involving thefts from DoD contracts/businesses and all of their ties to the “patriot” groups/militias or cross burnings/intimidation in an area.
White settlers circling the wagons: only this time the Indians (or name your minority) are on the inside, are a minority of one or two, and are constantly being screwed with and shot at.
If you try to move they contact the local realtors and property assessors to deprive you of rights and devalue your property, etc..

Soooo… who do you call?

I find it odd that the tea party made up of common people of all races and walks of life,who only gather when there is a real threat to freedom and to the constitution or more taxation can even remotely put the government on edge unless the government is trying to do something it should not.And as far as guns are concerned,these rights are not to be infringed,which means anything standing in the way of a persons right to own one.And as far as any racism with conservatives or the tea party,they have always been more inclusive and diverse than any groups at the other end of the spectrum.The constitution also encourages people to take back or kick out any government that is straying from the constitution or trying to take away the rights and freedoms that are in the bill of rights and constitution.Our forefathers knew there could come a time that a government would eventually try to give too much power to one or just a few individuals or that wealthy bankers or someone like George Soros could possibly buy off enough politicians,that our liberties could be threatened.Just the fact that not one banker has been convicted of wrong,after billions of dollars looted from hedge funds and taxpayer money bail outs shows you this is already happened with this administration.I only here that we have a black president from liberal media,all the people I know refer to him as half white or just president.It can only be called true racism if 85% or more of a race votes for an individual of the same race.I wonder how many of the groups people are calling hate groups are just concerned citizens worrying about millions of illegals coming here when the melting pot is already overflowing and no jobs to be had and the states already bankrupt from taking care of the ones that are already here with Dems hoping they will soon take over a whole voting block, or people concerned we are headed the way of Greece or Italy or France or Venezuela.I was glad to read an article where a certain concerned citizen group have there own watch list with the names of news people,and station owners for withholding the truth from the public and only giving a lopsided opinion,chairman’s of the board of companies ripping off Americans,anyone in the public eye promoting immigration,socialism or communism,as well as professors teaching against capitalism and for socialism or worse, because these people will have some answering to do if things ever come to a head.People such as Moore and Penn are treasonous and traitors to America and they will have to answer for their actions,and when they do they just might get to go live in Cuba if they are lucky.Our forefathers fought and died for the constitution and way of life we now have,why can’t the illegals flooding into our country be the forefathers for theirs and fight for just as good a way of life in their country,because if an American tries to go illegally into Mexico,their butt will be thrown in a very uncomfortable cell.

An increase in the Patriot movement since the (s)election of Barack Obama has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his tyranny. In fact, he got a perfect set up for a tyrannical takeover from his cousin Bush (via the so-called Patriot Act). Yes, Obama is a blood relative of the Bush family and Dick Cheney (sources: NY Post, NY Times, and Chicago Sun Times). So Obama isn’t really black or white, he is essentially, Red. You see, no matter who gets into office, it just gets worse every four years because the POTUS is merely a puppet to push the “banksters” agenda.

The skin color of our POTUS shouldn’t matter, and it doesn’t matter to the majority of Americans (even those demonized as being in the so called Patriot Movement). However, it does matter to those whom are actually in power. Why? Because it’s a great tool for painting any dissent or criticism as racism directed towards one man. But what doesn’t concern them is the political affiliation of our POTUS because the Left-Right Paradigm always wins. Obama, Bush, and Clinton, it doesn’t matter. They are all one in the same. They’re just different masks covering the same evil face!

And as far as “homegrown terrorists” are concerned, I find it quite ironic that the SPLC uses the OKC bombing for their theatrical fear-mongering with no mention of their own connections to that very event. In 2004, a declassified FBI memo obtained by an Oklahoma newspaper revealed the existence of a Southern Poverty Law Center informant connected to the Elohim City operation. “References to an informant working for the SPLC at Elohim City on the eve of the Oklahoma City bombing raises serious questions as to what the SPLC might know about McVeigh’s activities during the final hours before the fuse was lit in Oklahoma City – but which the SPLC has failed to disclose publicly,” the newspaper reported.

Is the SPLC involved in plotting terrorism to further their political agenda? It sure looks that way. They better come clean or they’re going to prove themselves to be the true homegrown terrorists!

Reynardine, Why do you call your town a “Florida Cracker” town? And why are you allowed to say that if I can’t say that I live in a beaner or nigger town? I see that selective racism is alive and well in the liberal mind (and apparently, the SPLC’s website).

McCarthy’s only sin was that he was anti-communist. If he were compiling lists of people who had too many US flags and velvet portraits of bald eagles, CNN would have him on as an expert on extremism.

Eric,

Don’t let your opponents get away with the feint of citing “Patriot Groups” as if it were some neutral classification. The term operates on the same level as someone who would include Pol Pot on a list of “liberals” and it was invented on these pages with that intention.

We still have Federal laws and they get away with this sort of things amongst the uneducated. You get the Federal Authorities involved.

And the community needs to learn how to effectively fight these monsters.

You call the FBI for one and given the information you’ve shared I would say that it’s terrorism so contact Homeland Security as well.

People can’t allow others to control their communities like this it is tyranny and it’s home grown terrorism. Local people don’t have a legal right to stalk or harass others and when they coordinate their efforts they are conspiring and there are severe laws and penalties they could face for doing so.

@MRJ: it sounds to me like you have some personal or real life experience with this sort of thing because what you have listed above sounds like the sort of thing that is going on in America at a very dangerous and alarmingly increasing rate.

If you do or know someone who does always do the right thing and bring light to the unscrupulous human beings that would continue to destroy the American way and the quality of life in our communities.

Mr. Flat, you have nicely displayed your ignorance of Florida culture. “Florida Cracker” is a title claimed with pride by those who qualify.To qualify, you were either born in Florida before1945, or born in Florida to a family settled here before that date, and you didn’t grow up with any pansy air conditioners or sunscreen whenever you poked your ose out the door. You don’t scream or dodge when a paetto bug flies at you like the Baron Von Richthofen’s biplane,you shake your shoes for scrpions, you give some respect to diamondback rattlers, who are rather gentlemanly, and either a wide berth or a load of snakeshot to cottonmouths, who aren’t. I could go through the Florida lore chapter and verse. Suffice to say it’s a matter of pride to be a Florida Cracker (I’m not) or to be tough and resourceful enough to live like one (I am). You wouldn’t cut it, you jelly-ass pansy.

I note my all – virtual keyboard is being glitchy again.

I always wonder about folks who feel compelled to tout their patriotism.

Truly patriotic people let their actions speak for them — they do not feel the need for self-promotion by pretentiously referring to themselves as “patriots”.

Between the Patriot Act and the rise of the Tea Party, I suspect that the term “patriot” will forever carry the connotation of members of a political body who promote intolerance and oppression against anyone who has a culture, lifestyle, religion, ethnic heritage, or political ideology that differs from their own.

It’s hard to tell if some of the people making comments here are liberal or conservative minded. They seem to be trying to impress others with their grasp of vocabulary and grammar. I want to point out something to you who have such negative views of the Patriot movement. The Patriot movement really isn’t as dominated by the “white” American community as you might think. I as a born and bread Hispanic American did not vote for Obama. I did not vote for him because of all the koolaid he was poring out. Like many minorities I don’t see him as “black.” After reading his books it seemed to me that he was trying to paint himself as a victim. I was amazed how a person who grew up in Hawaii, from the age of 7, and was sent to a private school could believe he was a victim. This Hispanic attended public school, was raised by a single mother and unlike Mrs Obama I have always been proud of my country. My “minority” friends and I are becoming more and more disenfranchised with the Democratic party. They seem to be pushing more and more government cheese into our mouths. We don’t want their cheese, we don’t need their cheese. All we want is to be left alone, obviously if we feel our rights have been violated we demand legal action be taken so we don’t have to respond with violence. But taking away ones rights to own a weapon that is capable of carrying a magazine of 15 or more bullets isn’t going to stop aggression or violence to be perpetrated against me.

The outpatients are out in force, I see…

“John D. Fiat,” care to provide us with the links to these claims that Obama is related to the Bushes, and that the SPLC set up the Oklahoma City bombing? The actual web links, sites, and stories? They’re from reputable sources, not WorldNetDaily or PrisonPlanet.Com?

I’m more amused by your complaint that the evil conspiracy against the United States is made of both bankers and Communists. Yes, the Rockefeller family, Citibank, Barclays, they’re all just a bunch of Trotskyists.

“Jummy,” McCarthy’s sins were manifold and the only thing his “investigations” revealed was that his investigator, G. David Schine, enjoyed all kinds of privileges in Army basic training that defied belief. One of the Senators on McCarthy’s panel, took great interest in Schine’s privileges. He was allowed out of drill 250 times to take long-distance phone calls from Roy Cohn. He got passes every weekend. His limousine was allowed into Fort Dix to pick him up and take him back. One rainy day, when everybody else was on the rifle range, Schine’s company commander found Schine goldbricking. Schine threw a comradely arm over the captain’s shoulder and explained that he had been studying logistics to “remake the military along modern lines,” and the excuse was accepted.

In the hearings that results — which brought McCarthy down — one of the senators on the panel followed the details of the privileges that had been extended to Schine with great interest. Senator John McClellan of Arkansas had lost two of his three sons in World War II.

He never found a single Communist, but ruined many lives. When he made his famous speech on the Senate floor with the folders, it was clear he was reading them for the first time. Many of them were empty. Some were about people who had never even worked for the State Department, merely applied for jobs. In at least one case, McCarthy admitted, “This person is the opposite of what I am describing.”

McCarthy discovered the menace of Communism for that noblest of reasons — he was trailing in the polls, due to allegations of corruption, and needed an issue to rebound. He got it, and rebounded. He was also an alcoholic and a liar about his war record.

By the way, the man who brought him down, Joseph Welch, a Boston lawyer, was a lifelong Republican.

I blame your history teachers…they probably stopped right in the middle of the invasion of Sicily to start reviewing for the big final examination, and only taught cliches, myths, and banalities the rest of the time.

What’s in a word, I know… Originally the American Colonists who were against the legal government were called “Patriots”. The term now is used as a positive recommendation and also as a negative, violent, nut group definition. The SPLC should use quotes for the latter definition, and understand that everyone from the most dedicated Commie on this site to the most fervent believer in American isolationism and autonomy can sincerely have the best interest of the American people at heart, and can be good Patriotic Americans.

Seriously do you have a severe mental disability that renders you incapable of the most basic logical thinking? or rather just a complete sell out willing to blindly spead any propaganda the governement tells you as long as the checks keep rolling in? A government that trusts its civilians with the right to keep and bear arms against enemies both foreign and domestic is a government worth having. there is absolutely no middle ground on this subject. Are you such a coward that you are completely incapable of handling any emergency? what will you do when you call and no one comes? and what about towns with low population that have only one sheriff and sometime none at all, leaving them to rely on law enforcment that may well be hours away? the author is both as ignorant as they are blind. Anyone with half a brain can look at chicago and see weapons bans will not stop criminals from getting guns all the while you are 100% guaranteed to be completely defenseless, easy pickings. ignorance surely must be bliss. keep living in your fantasy world and when shtf hopefully you can make it to someone prepared and they will hopefully take care of a pathetic excuse for a survivor (you). I will not go silently into the night.

BsBrownPatriot: I’m so glad you’re not only born but bread, and that you eschew Koolaid. Somehow, it sounds like you’re obsessing about lunch. Go tell your boiler room supervisor that you guys need decent meal breaks.

Hmm…I can’t help but notice how very white this “minority” sounds:

“They seem to be pushing more and more government cheese into our mouths. We don’t want their cheese, we don’t need their cheese.”

Really? What government cheese? Please name some welfare legislation the Democrats have put forward recently.

I don’t believe that anyone who believes in harming others with the intentions of racial cleansing has any best interest of any American at heart, nor can they ever be labeled as good Patriotic Americans.

And people who believe and try to promote segregation are nothing more than disgustingly appalling.

@Coralsea: you said, “about how teaching kids “critical thinking skills” would undermine parental authority.”

This is very true and I agree with what you have said. It also makes me laugh when parents who teach hate want to protect their children from learning how to think.

Once the kids learn how to think and reason and develop valid arguments, think of how they would then view the parents who have been espousing lies and working so very hard to keep their children’s reality immersed in those lies.

Okay, I read over the letter quickly but I believe that what was requested of Attorney General Holder and Homeland Security Napolitano was to put in place some protective services against the growing threats in America from idiot hatemongers.

That’s putting it simply. It has long been my belief that we have dangerous and growing movements of homegrown terrorists. And I do not believe that people who stockpile guns and want to wipe out minorities and others who do not come from their family branch in order to promote their illiterate kin are to be considered patriots.

To even imagine such a country run by people like this is simply unnerving and unfathomable.

I agree with the requests made in the letter by Mr. Cohen.
Now if we could get the government to stop misappropriating funds there would most likely be more than enough to cover the requests Mr. Cohen proposes.

@derek: no where in the letter was there any recommendation of escalating violence.

No where did Mr. Cohen ask for America to go to war with anyone.

Reading the words on the paper is just the beginning, next we need to apply comprehension.

@Kiwiwriter

Way to avoid the point.

Ten paragraphs of trivia about a character rejected by most anti-communists, but who progressives have nonetheless successfully crowned as anti-communists’ standard-bearer.

There is no such term as “Dicksteinism”; after Rep. Samuel Dickstein who, in 1934, first created the House Un-American Activities Committee to haul private citizens before congress for interrogation and such – all that horrible stuff commonly held to be a postwar phenomenon and popularly identified with the name of a Senator.

Rep. Dickstein was nothing so vulgar as a drunk or a closeted homosexual, as important as it clearly is to know those things about Sen.McCarthy. Rep. Dickstein was, however a paid Soviet facilitator and a spy for the NKVD as well as the guy who established a crusade against “un-American” activities on behalf of a foreign power, which sheds a bit more Irony on the HUAAC enterprise than McCarthy’s peccadilloes, you have to admit.

Yet, as was the point I was presenting and which you attempted to fog up with non-germane blather, we don’t have the term “Dicksteinism” with which we might appropriately identify and dismiss the cryto-totalitarian antipluralism the SPLC, RightWatch, MMFA and similar outfits exist to engineer.

@Kiwiwriter

I should add in response to this:

“I blame your history teachers…they probably stopped right in the middle of the invasion of Sicily to start reviewing for the big final examination, and only taught cliches, myths, and banalities the rest of the time.”

…It’s true. I attended a public school and my World History teacher, for instance, taught from a narrative cobbled together from MGM epics and C’d everyone through to the next grade. With few exceptions, the representatives of the NEA and AFT I was sat before taught me nothing but cliche’s, myths and banalities.

Somehow though, theses never added up to an impression that communism was anything more than a myth conjured up by paranoid racists. In fact, the irrationality of the “Red Scare” and the evil of “McCarthyism” were taught and doctrine had it that “reformers” and “activists” of the left were to be met with an open mind while patriotism was to be met with a critical mind. My interests focused on other topics, I emerged from my public school education “knowing” two things about the Vietnam conflict: that it was our nation’s “open wound” and that Nixon started it.

Whatever impression of me you’d like to make of it, that was the product of a suburban New England high school education.

As it is when I see a progressive attribute rightwing bias to the mainstream media – as if the single cable station, two national broadsheets and AM band radio comprised some kind of Goliath which unfairly eclipses the other nine-tenths of the media – I stand in awe at the ability of progressives to dissociate from the institutions they control as it suits their narrative of struggle against the hegemon; as if every teacher you or I ever encountered were outnumbered by alternate-universe wingnut teachers polluting young minds with crazy talk about LBJ and the Gulf of Tonkin and real-live communists doing stuff that resembled war and imperialism.

Jummy,

I would be very curious as to where you went to school. Comparing the backwoods New Hampshire education that you likely received with my world class suburban Boston education is frankly an insult to me.

Whoever taught you (and frankly, I don’t believe what you’re saying in any event…) did not do a good job. Now read a history book (a REAL history book) and grow up.

Jummy, I quite believe you were never taught critical thinking skills at all.

The worthlessness of the SPLC’s creative accounting of the “threat” they’ve been trying to massage into existence since their party won the oval office and dissent concomitantly ceased to be “the highest form of patriotism” has been well-addressed in many quarters.

The worth of this endeavor can be assessed just as easily by running down the list of highlights from their most recent product. Despite the hysterical rhetoric about an “escalating” threat from the far-right, the bulk of the list references various constituent chunks of the far-right “weakening”, “declining”, “troubled” and retreating from the edge of relevancy whilst “sputtering [with] rage” and “name-calling”. The remainder – I say this without exaggeration – reads like tabloid pulp. Read again and see if I’m lying:

“…women in the white supremacist movement and the sometimes explosive secrets they keep.”

Did you laugh out loud too?

The sinister element of this phony threat the SPLC has taken a strong hand in manufacturing is that it hopes to trade on the ignorance of people who either weren’t around for or weren’t paying attention during the previous presidential administration.

Who could could be genuinely moved to panic over the prevalence of conspiracy theories who remembers, for example, Amy Goodman inviting Naomi Klein on to explain Pres. Bush’s plan to fake “another” terrorist attack as a pretext to declare marshal law, suspend the 2008 election and appoint himself Ceasar? Who among those who frequented the progressive blog-o-sphere during the Bush administration didn’t feel a pang of nausea at the gang-up on Glenn Beck over the FEMA Camps thing, knowing that the FEMA Camps conspiracy theory originated with the signing of the Patriot Act? Who’s going to pretend to have never seen the creepily overdrawn cartoons which suggested that assassinating President Bush would be (har har) a “patriot act”. I know; progressives will, “…and that was different anyway because Bush really was Hitler.”

Does anyone remember the entire period from 2004 to 2010 when progressives ranging from Rachel Maddow to Alex Cockburn were dry-humping – in some instances, endorsing the candidacy of – Ron Paul? You know, while journalists at Reason and the Weekly Standard were raising the matter of his creepy WN-tinged newsletters?

We haven’t seen an increase in the threat of rightwing domestic terrorism. We’ve seen Bush Derangement Syndrome morph into Bush Derangement Amnesia and finally into the derivative and transparently self-conscious attribution of Obama Derangement Syndrome. All of it is a phony and cynical pose. Not a bit of it proceeds from a genuinely perceived threat.

And if you don’t have the memory of progressives’ Bush-era dementia to guide you, you can test the sincerity of this phony scare against SPLC President, Richard Cohen’s call to be very concerned about a retired police chief who threatened to kill people in a thing posted on YouTube. Consider the vanishingly minuscule significance of that anecdote, which nonetheless made the cut for inclusion in an official correspondence with the heads of the Justice Department – a piece of correspondence meant to convey the urgent attention and escalated resources required to deal with scary conservatives.

Consider finally the events of last month when an actual police officer went on an actual, weeks-long killing spree and progressives had only two modes of reaction: strategic silence and encouragement. Go back and read Dorner’s manifesto and ask yourself who poses the more significant threat: “birthers” or people who hate “birthers” beyond any reasonable proportion.

@Reynardine

Bless your heart. Did you also write an essay which explored the themes in The Crucible through the lens of the Red Scare and think you were the first ninth-grader insightful enough to synthesize such a thing because of the eager praise your teacher gave you for getting it “right”?

@brownskinnedpatriot: you said:

“They seem to be trying to impress others with their grasp of vocabulary and grammar.”

You have misinterpreted the intent: there really are people in America who speak in more than one and two syllable words.

@brownskinnedpatriot:

I understand your point. However, victims can come from all types of backgrounds including that of President Obama. It has been my experience and the experience of our courts that victimization knows no economic boundaries.

If you are referring to a specific type of hate crime then yes certain discriminatory boundaries are bound to exist.

Just being a minority in America will open you up to victimization. If you manage to live your entire life in America as a minority and have not had to face bigotry and discrimination or crime then you will probably make a fortune selling the road map of your life.

However, if you know such a person please share.

@ John D Fiat: well it appears that you have shared your personal description of your home town. Interesting choice of words John.

@Reynardine: about your post to Mr. Fiat;

again you have managed to make me laugh, your post was well done and has brightened my evening. Thank you for sharing that bit of history and information.

Jummy, let me explain why you fail:

” In fact, the irrationality of the “Red Scare” and the evil of “McCarthyism” were taught and doctrine had it that “reformers” and “activists” of the left were to be met with an open mind while patriotism was to be met with a critical mind. ”

First of all this assumes that leftists or activists cannot be patriotic. Apparently it’s unpatriotic if you think that the system should treat all your countrymen equal. Moreover, an open mind an a critical mind are not mutually exclusive. A critical mind means that you are open-minded enough to listen to someone’s claims, but being critical means you’re looking for evidence to support said claims.

For example, I find your horror story of a pro-Communist liberal education to be rather suspect, seeing as how I still got plenty of Cold War anti-Communist rhetoric in school despite the fact that about 7-8 years of my education occurred after the fall of the USSR.

” I emerged from my public school education “knowing” two things about the Vietnam conflict: that it was our nation’s “open wound” and that Nixon started it.”

Sounds like someone wasn’t paying attention in class.

“As it is when I see a progressive attribute rightwing bias to the mainstream media – as if the single cable station, two national broadsheets and AM band radio comprised some kind of Goliath which unfairly eclipses the other nine-tenths of the media”

It has been shown that right wing media influences not so obviously right wing media by setting the frame of debate. Things like the crisis over the debt ceiling and the “fiscal cliff” were basically right wing memes which the entire media picked up. If the media were truly progressive, they would continually and constantly point out that the largest expenditure in the US budget is military spending, and that this is precisely the thing which must be drastically reduced and the wars must be ended.

” crazy talk about LBJ and the Gulf of Tonkin and real-live communists doing stuff that resembled war and imperialism.”

Well that would be crazy talk unless the Gulf of Tonkin is located off the US west coast. I don’t really see how Communists fighting for the independence of their own country is imperialism.

“@MRJ: it sounds to me like you have some personal or real life experience with this sort of thing because what you have listed above sounds like the sort of thing that is going on in America at a very dangerous and alarmingly increasing rate.”

If for one minute someone who is being stalked like this could really share how they feel with another, I think more people would realize what is happening to minorities in small towns with known Hate Group organizers and members living within blocks of people being targeted and harassed like this.
I’ve seen your posts.
Yeah, you too from what I gather, or you are more aware of it than many others.

It’s not: “seecrut gubbermint orgunizayshuns” (although the Klan, etc. will make false reports to get someone targeted like that), it’s not: “HAARP” and “Duhrectud Enrgee Wepunz” (although computer hacking and phone tapping/wireless interception, etc. occur… and certain States actually have laws pertaining to these types of devices, or punishments for even telling someone they’ve been “chipped by duh Gubbermunt” or they have been “diseased” or “infected” with a biologic), it’s not: “Satullite Raygunz” (although people can be tracked and monitored by their cell usage and wireless communications, etc.), etc..

These things do happen to people: it has actually been nice to see your repeated posts about it.

Getting conformation from people who know about it in an area is another thing altogether: people, seemingly good people, aren’t going to testify against family members who are tied to Hate Crimes/Discrimination that can land them in prison for Conspiracy or NIED for “not wanting to get involved”….
People, tied to drug rings and dealers/use at work aren’t going to “admit” that they have been protecting others from prosecution because of their own involvement and fear of prosecution or related blacklisting by their employers….
People involved in major Felonies aren’t going to “admit” that they are receiving money, materials or tools, work, or kickbacks for committing crimes….

People in Law Enforcement aren’t going to admit that they have been systematically targeting minorities in their townships due to their friendships and ties with local business owners (Klansmen) and growers/dealers (local Township board members with long histories of dealing/use, etc..) to get rid of “unwanteds” who might know too much or be able to finger them for their ties to local drug dealers.
It’s far, far more important to protect Klansmen, Drug Dealers, Pedophiles and Spousal Abusers, and other supposed Christians by trying to paint the person who has been putting up with this for almost their whole life and times in an area to be the one “with issues”, or “mental problems”.

It isn’t enough to just screw you out of any chance or type of employment: they bring it into your front yard, and into your home and daily life with Keyloggers and barrages of “spam” related to conversations that you have had with a guy in a local business (Not the first time: most recent conversation on 2/27/2013 and then “spammed” about it on 2/28/2013, three times on 3/1/2013, once on 3/2/2013, and once on 3/6/2013: wanna see pictures?) who has a long history with the local KKK, has attempted to engage you in Felony Misappropriation against the State, has hate tattoos, has friendships with alllll of the local Klan, has admitted to incarceration for “anger issues” (the local catch all for Hate Crimes or violent assault), has admitted to institutionalization for attempted suicide, has admitted to ownership of firearms, has an extended family (marriage) who are/were the biggest Cocaine dealers in the area, and is employed by a local company that has a repeated, documented history of employing local Hate Group members and drug ring affiliated people in this area.
Pictures, computer logs and recordings don’t lie.

Years, and years, and years of this.

One person alone isn’t able to do a thing against this type of stalking.
I can’t even try to list my house and move without them screwing with me.

An E-mail from Daryl Johnson at DTAnalytics: “I believe you.”

The second that I found and photographed the Keyloggers (9/20/2009): it was a rash of Felonies, and anyone claiming (screeching in one case: later traced IP to an attempt at file sharing from their area in Canada) “It’s all in your head!” when I stated that my computer was doing odd things, or I suspected my E-mails were being interfered with, or that my log-on to a social networking site was being counted twice: was guilty of stalking, and Conspiracy To Deprive of Rights, IIED, NIED, etc..
The second that I told others what was going on, and asked them to report it, and they didn’t: instead trying to get me to “stop talking about it and accept it”, or believe that it wasn’t happening (from more than 300 or 700 miles away in some cases) and that I was “delusional”, it was, and is, Criminal.
The second that I recorded the AK type gunfire (let alone all of the other times) at night, it was evidence of Felony Harassment using firearms: not an isolated incident in any way. One of the recordings even had a witness and was recorded discussing the full auto nature of it.
The second that I repeatedly photographed all of the different days, dates, times and different tracks (different vehicles) of people patching my road and driveway, it was evidence of criminal harassment.
The second that I got recordings of bizarre threats (strange blowing into the mouthpiece, and hang-up calls, etc..) it proves harassment/stalking on a grand scale.
Let alone the massive computer attacks and hacking: one attack in April of 2011 denied me rights to files and folders, log-on permissions, rescue disc and repair functions, and changed the boot management settings: if I hadn’t found that particular bit I would have lost years of documentation, photographs, and recordings.

The second that I reported it something should have been done: not letting it drag on for years thereby (through inaction or indifference, or malice) neatly circumventing some statutes of limitations for reporting or prosecution for crimes for those involved.

The second that a State Employee, possibly 125 miles away from where I live, told ME what I heard in my back yard was :”That’s not what you heard, you heard a .22.” when I was reporting AK type gunfire all around my home at night (sometimes every other night for weeks on end), or “They wouldn’t target you, you’re not a Mexican.”, or “Do you have a lawyer?”: she should have been fired, investigated for selective enforcement and discrimination, Color of Law, etc., and I should be able to file suit against her and her employers.
The second that another State Employee sent me an E-mail asking the same questions from the same E-mail address that I had been attempting to report this to for the last five years… asking the exact same questions again, and again, and again that had been answered in full in five previous/different E-mails, while never identifying him/herself in any way by full name, position/title, or State identification number they should be charged with any number of conspiracy charges relating to selective protection and collaboration to deprive of Civil Rights.

If an individual or group told them not to investigate for whatever depraved reason, (particularly after I found the Keyloggers) they should be charged with Conspiracy to Deprive of Rights.

My life has repeatedly been threatened, my property has been destroyed, and it’s a Big Joke on me from people tasked by Statement of Intent in local State Civil Rights Organizations who have Family Law Offices to ignore in their State positions complaints of discrimination, and “pass the buck(s)” to their family law firms.
“Upon further review there is little we can do to assist you.”
“Get a lawyer”.
Inaction, and deliberate refusal to investigate: what do you think?

Outright refusal to investigate/question individuals employed in their organization against the established/stated intents and purposes of their State and Federally funded organization.
Also: an E-mail that changed Fonts and styles, possibly indicative of interception/interference, or childish, gaslighting behavior on the part of that State employee.
Yes. I saved that one.
Yes. I blasted them about it.

If you say “Native American” in this State: no one will help you.

No amount of gaslighting or “Martha Mitchell”, “false memory”, accusations of “delusions” or “making it up to get attention”/”playing the race card” will change what is going on.
Again: pictures, logs, and recordings don’t lie.
Neither do Court Transcripts in which local cops who were instrumental (zoning board) in the targeting of local minorities, were allowed by Judicial decree to arrest or detain based on bias crimes/harassment and SLAPP litigation forwarded by local Hate Group organizers and drug users/dealers in Township board/supervisory positions.
My cousin: an African American man, in this same Township, by these Exact. Same. People.

It’s far, far more important for local Law Enforcement to protect the local KKK than it is to allow a Native American, African American, LGBT, Hispanic, or other respite, exoneration, or compensation for duress, IIED, NIED, Stalking/Harassment, Color of Law, and Collusion and Conspiracy charges against known Klansmen and drug ring members, and allow them peace.

Yeah.
Personal experience in spades.
Anyone else?

Dummy, you are very much mistaken about the time, place, and era when I was in ninth grade. I don’t expect you to be acquainted with actual historical or cultural facts, however.

This video is making the rounds and is one of the things that they cite when trying to justify their stated intention of killing liberals and taking down the federal government. They’re a dangerous bunch and their hysterical fears are fueled by their religious fervor. There is no appreciable difference between the Islamic Extremists and the Christian Extremists. They’re irrational and dangerous and they feed their paranoia with videos like this.
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D. S., what was that thing? Mini-Rand? It was surely Aynal.

“If the media were truly progressive, they would continually and constantly point out that the largest expenditure in the US budget is military spending, and that this is precisely the thing which must be drastically reduced and the wars must be ended. ”

I have continually and consistently pointed this out but the gasseous vapor like steamed califlower arising from the morality police over why the US, with its Anglo Saxon derived culture, is so bellicose and weapon-worshiping obscured the message.

Aadila, why this belligerent non sequitur?

aadila, only the New England area is ethnically derived mostly from the Anglo-Saxons. In all the other colonies the principal ethnic groups originating from the British Isles which founded said colonies were mostly anything but Anglo-Saxon. Anglo-Celtic, Anglo-Norman, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Scots-Irish, not to mention that New York and New Jersey were originally Dutch colonies. The whole of America is not defined by New England, thank God in Heaven.

This organization claims to be anti racist but is itself racist and intolerant. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Calling all patriots haters is much akin to judging someone by the color or their skin.

Just as Israel has become genocidal, the SPL has become racist.

Oh that adorable little white male supremacist pig in the blanket brock henderson apparently tired of me batting him around is now challenging aadila now. i got my popcorn ready :)

Mary, you dear little twit, you share the same name as my little blue- eyed white girl cat. Perhaps you are even blue- eyed and white. She, however, is intelligent.

No one is accusing patriots of being haters. We are, however, stating that many Patriots are haters: proper noun, definitive group, though not the football team. Many of us are patriots, who don’t care to see this country given over to haters, traitors, and putschists. Now, learn to read English correctly.

Yes Brock. Thank goodness the whole of America isn’t based on New England.

Prosperous, safe, well-educated, historical, DIVERSE New England…

Mary, “patriots”(I don’t believe any of these people love their country) choose their behavior. You don’t choose the color of your skin.

Sorry to disappoint you, Erica but Brock’s dud of a challenge requires little defusing.

My comment referred to culture, not ethnicity. Ethnicity is genetically based, culture is not.

Hair splitting over the various ethnicities Brock mentions is quite beside the point.

Brock, Sacramento’s Mayor is of African American ethnicity. However, he works at City Hall, a concept which came from Anglo Saxon culture.

Can you see how culture and ethnicity are not the same?

“Aadila, why this belligerent non sequitur?”

Non sequitur non, my sweet.

It is a salient challenge to the hagiography of American political history, in which the Patriot movement finds moral justification.

Ruslan, for a misguided and ideologically blinded fool, you’re on the right track. No, most people who belong to these so-called “Patriot” groups don’t love this pathetic excuse for a country they live in, not one bit. That’s because this ISN’T a country. It did have a stronger and more credible claim to being an actual country once upon a time. It is THAT United States they love – the United States of America which was actually AMERICAN, once upon a time.

Aron, why yes, New Englanders do love – in fact, worship – wealth. Generally, people who love the almighty dollar tend to acquire many of them at some point in their lives. The spiritually decadent bastard offspring of Protestant Christianity, Puritanism, laid the groundwork for that mentality you seem to be so proud of, on Day 1 at Plymouth Rock. New England is a total spiritual wasteland as a result. Between a region mostly comprised of friendly, honorable, and humble people who live for something other than themselves, and one full of soulless, pushy, arrogant, self-worshipping misanthropes, I’ll take the former over the latter no matter the average household income.

Brock, your definition of a patriot is a traitor. You have damn well proven our point.

“That’s because this ISN’T a country. It did have a stronger and more credible claim to being an actual country once upon a time. It is THAT United States they love – the United States of America which was actually AMERICAN, once upon a time.”

Can you define the moment at which American nationhood ended, in your view?

You in one breath sweep away contemporary American nationhood as not genuine, and yet decry the origins of American nationhood. I am having a hard time understanding at what point you feel America was America, in between being the period of being degenerate bastards, and the period of being a pathetic excuse for a country.

When exactly did this “real” America of yours begin and when did it end? I am sure this will be delicious. Go on now, Brock. Do tell.

aadila, but brock is such a jerk who has some truly bizarre beliefs about race and culture and honestly i’ve gotten tired of responding to him :)

okay, just this once: brockie, honey, you do realize that the Virginia Company which formed the Jamestown Colony was a for-profit enterprise (the forerunner of these lovely multinational corporations we all so love so much) and that many of the early people who came to the New World were looking solely for wealth (and indeed they found it, the Founding Fathers of the U.S. were among the wealthiest people in the world at the time of the revolution and the American Revolution was ultimately a revolution by the wealthy). The Dutch originated the entire idea of capitalism/stock companies and as you have noted they first settled New York (the greatest center of Capitalism in the world). It was the British who perhaps due to their Viking forebears originated the idea of combining this new Capitalism with the old idea of plundering anything that wasn’t nailed down. That combination resulted in what we know today as modern capitalism an ideology based upon the exploitation of people and the ultimate basis of these United States of America.

And yes the New Englanders did their part of exploiting the working class, but it was nothing compared to the South. Little wonder that the South is still poorer and worst educated than the rest of the country – probably because the South has always been the most enthusatic about assuring that the richest people get what they want and that everyone else is there to serve them. The South continues to be the most faithful servants of the rich people and corporations which really control this country which no doubt is largely due to the rich amd powerful’s skill manipulation of racism, sexism,ethnic, and religious hostility.

aadila, black is a race, not an ethnicity.

Brock, you’ve obviously never been here. And for that, I can only say THANK GOODNESS.

And you obviously know nothing about it, either. Which us HILARIOUS.

Someone please explain this to me.

Why is SPLC so concerned about the “Patriot Movement”, but shows no such concern about President Obama using drones to kill thousands of innocent women and children overseas?

And where’s SPLC outrage about civil rights violations which can occur under the NDAA and what the NSA is doing?

This is very hypocritical and it must be because the “SPLC are NOT anti-racists, or liberals, or concerned citizens; they are STATISTS, who only care about maintaining the superiority of a government that has been bought and paid for many times over by a gaggle of international financiers. It’s clear that the SPLC is nothing but a propaganda wing of the Department Of Homeland Security” ^[17].

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson.

SPLC is supporting our Tyrannical Gov’t while spreading Hatred against all Patriots who are seeking nothing but Liberty and Justice!

Reynardine, your definition of treason is historically quite common and popular at the stage of imperialism America is at right now. Just as the Romans said “There is no god but Caesar” in the first few centuries A.D., your infallible god is the government headquartered on the Beltway on the VA-MD border. Newsflash: Mankind is a fallen creature. They do not become perfect and infallible simply because they use the government to perform the tasks which you deludedly believe will perfect mankind in the end. Abolishing slavery, implementing and enforcing egalitarian civil rights and social justice laws, you know. Just like Rome before her, the American Empire will not go on forever, ma’am. Please remember that.

aadila, I’m going to tell you a little secret. It is a fact, just so that you know, albeit a rather politically incorrect one:

America has NEVER BEEN a nation.

Uh-oh, the cat’s out of the bag, now!

Anyway, so far, outside of the predictable personalized insults, our other regulars here on this blog have failed to provide a substantive answer to this question: In terms of the real and authentic definition of the word “nation,” what, aadila, do you and I have in common which makes the two of us members of the same? Are we both members of the same America? What goals, beliefs, creeds, and religion do we have in common? Yes, the government calls us both citizens. Words in a government database on a computer screen mean nothing to the common bonds of nationhood you and I may feel or not feel with each other were we to meet in person. Language? We both speak English, yes, but so do Americans and Englishmen. And we’re not members of the same nation.

When one region of this “nation,” aadila, invaded and waged a war on the other just over a sesquicentury ago, all pretense of American nationhood disappeared. Forever. Thank you.

Aron, you are ignorant of the history of your region. Thank you.

Erika,

“And yes the New Englanders did their part of exploiting the working class, but it was nothing compared to the South. Little wonder that the South is still poorer and worst educated than the rest of the country – probably because the South has always been the most enthusatic about assuring that the richest people get what they want and that everyone else is there to serve them. The South continues to be the most faithful servants of the rich people and corporations which really control this country which no doubt is largely due to the rich amd powerful’s skill manipulation of racism, sexism,ethnic, and religious hostility.”

Another history op-ed piece for The Onion! You really are good! Love it! Thank you.

And Reynardine, how dare I forget a moment in history with such a great bearing on our present discourse: The British were quite fond of calling the late-18th century American Colonial patriots “traitors.” No doubt your brainwashed noggin will fail to understand what I’m saying.

Brock,

The term “African American” refers to ethnicity. It does not necessarily refer to skin tone. Again you prove your ignorance (and poor reading skills since I did not use the term “black”).

Erika, again, take a long, unbiased look at the way YOU have historically addressed your opposition here on this blog, and you will realize that I am no more a condescending and sanctimonious jerk than yourself. Show respect and you get it in return. On the other hand, I love shoving spoons full of lefties’ own medicine down their throats, so here we are, sweetcheeks.

Ok, Mr Eminent Historian Brock Henderson,

What is the history of my region?

If African-American is a reference to people of pan-African origin, aadila, can you tell me why the Census Bureau calls people of North African descent and South Africans of European descent WHITE, along with Europeans and Southwest Asians . . . you know, rather than AFRICAN-American?

Fact: While it is not technically true in the geographical sense, African-American DOES mean BLACK in the realm of American racial/ethnic terminology. Thank you.

Brock, since you deny the United States has ever been a nation, then you are denying that you have, actually or constructively, in whole or in part, American nationality. I expect now, however, that you will engage in more word games.

Words actually function as linguistic units only when the speakers and listeners agree on their definitions. These may shift over time in the linguistic community using them, but again, by consensus. Otherwise they are either meaningless noise or instruments of deceit.

Whichever yours are, they resemble amebas, gelatinous little things with no spines that change shape according to your fancy. As such, they fail to function as linguistic units at all. They are full of sound and fury, but, in the final analysis, a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.

Oh brockie, i had no idea that you were such a delicate little teacup whose sensibilities are just so easily offended. i would think that a big strong man like you obviously think you are would be able to stand up to criticism from a cute little girl like me – especially since you seem to somehow believe that you are superior to every woman on earth solely due to your being a man now some would find that to be a pretty offensive position. personally i just find it to be pathetic.

and honey, when you take a completely unsupportable position which attacks the vast majority of the world’s population as being inferior to you based solely upon your race and gender you probably shouldn’t react as if any refutation of it is a personal attack. i realize that you think that you are better than me because of the obvious handicap of my gender, but believe it or not, being told that you are wrong (even by a woman) is not a personal attack. And you are likely to be much happier in life if you are not so sensitive as to see every criticism of your wacky belief in your own superiority based solely upon you happening to be born as a white man as being a personal attack on you..

personally i think that you are not beyond hope and can be redeemed – but first, you are going to have to stop thinking that you’re smarter than everyone else in the world.

In terms of the PEOPLE of America, Reynardine, no, in fact they have not ever functioned as one nation with the potential for perpetual feelings of union with each other. They got together to declare independence from Great Britain, yes. You’re saying true nationhood lasted forever after that? Oh yeah, you’re right, there was never ANY us vs. them mentality which took root and manifested itself in any form of internal conflict.

Brock: about three hundred million people don’t agree with you. Take your verbal amebas and go home wherever the Hell you think that is.

Didn’t say I was one, Aron, I just told you that you’re quite mistaken if you believe the opposite of the things I said about the character and culture of New England. The level or amount of religious involvement in the civic and civil affairs around there is what I was referring to with the word “spiritual.” The point I made about New England in that regard is quite true, as any tourist or traveller from another part of the country will tell someone back home upon return. There is little appreciation for orthodox religion there. What religion there is consists mostly of the Social Gospel, which is nothing more than secular humanism. And make no mistake about it, Aron, that is where Puritanism, the cradle religion of your home state, was headed right from the get-go when it was born. Puritanism is the root from which the American tree of leftist egalitarian interventionism has grown to the present day. Real religion in the traditional Christian sense is anathema to such spiritually destructive tendencies (Yes it was only a matter of time before I dropped the C-word bomb, and you’re Jewish so you have little understanding of and no appreciation for what I’m talking about). Why do you think the percentage of avowed non-religionists amongst the population is in at least the mid-20s in your state and Vermont?

Oh, and your prosperity? Why YES, the U.S. economy and tax structure HAVE been deliberately engineered to financially benefit the Northeast at the expense of most everybody else. Good point.

Erika, tell me where I ever said, for ONE MOMENT, that I believe in, haha, let’s call it Brock supremacy. I said WHITE supremacy is what I believe in and support, and that alone. I’m an English major. I have no doubt that there are many a black, red, or brown, person out there who can analyze literature better than myself. But the number of white or yellow people who can make that claim is likely to far exceed the number of black, brown, or red.

So, I’m saying your sex is a handicap, and hence belittling you, if I think women should not be lawyers, politicians, or corporate executives? Only to a woman who takes it upon herself to begin struggling for power and competing with men, and who thinks she needs to assert herself in that way towards them. Only to a woman who says to herself when she gets up in the morning that she is the Patriots, and men are the Colts or the Giants, and it’s game time.

“Why is SPLC so concerned about the “Patriot Movement”, but shows no such concern about President Obama using drones to kill thousands of innocent women and children overseas?”

Because the SPLC has long dealt with issues of domestic political extremism, as near as I can tell. You might as well ask as to why the NRA doesn’t say anything about gun control laws in Japan.

“And where’s SPLC outrage about civil rights violations which can occur under the NDAA and what the NSA is doing?”

You might want to check out this organization called the ACLU. No wait, never mind, you probably hate them.

“who only care about maintaining the superiority of a government that has been bought and paid for many times over by a gaggle of international financiers. ”

International financiers = Jews.

Brock, before you accuse anyone of not being a real woman, I suggest you go on line to Stark Brothers, Mellingers, or any good fruit tree nursery and order yourself a pear.

I see, Brock. Because we were founded by Puritans, that’s why so many of us are atheists and agnostics. Makes sense to me!

And the fact that New England was always a center of industry certainly ha nothing to do with our prosperity. Neither does the fact that we are the education capital of the country.

No sir.

Keep on dissembling, Brock! You’re doing a wonderful job.

Yeah, right, Reynardine, Mexicans in California and Arizona in a MECHA march for amnesty in the streets of Phoenix or Los Angeles, are totally united in feelings of national brotherhood with Michigan Yoopers. That’s just one example for you. Open your eyes, for God’s sake.

Yes, Aron, it should make sense to you if you know anything about Puritanism. Good boy.

Since when, Brock, has common nationality ever required absolute agreement in everything? It requires only allegiance to a common sovereign and entitlement to protection from that same sovereign. Both the groups you name have come to that sovereign’s defense after Pearl Harbor and 9/11; both have enjoyed that sovereign’s protection on the high seas and in foreign lands. You will, like every other American, hang a coat or beach towel over the front of a doorless toilet stall rather than do #2in full view of the public, and I know right now to what embassy you will whine when you get in trouble abroad. If you don’t like it, go and formally renounce your citizenship; unless and until some other sovereign accepts your allegiance (which is evidently worthless), you will enjoy the status of stateless person.

Yeah right, Ruslan, all international bankers and financiers are Jews. International financiers = international financiers. Get it? By the way, you may want to cover up your 1%-ism, if you want to maintain even a modicum of credibility or successfully deceive anybody vis-a-vis your bleeding-heart concern for the downtrodden and oppressed masses who Communists claim to stand up for.

Personal attacks, Erika? You mean ad hominems? I think it’s fair to say that about half of all the childish drivel you’ve typed to me DOES qualify as such. I have a message for you, by the way, from a friend of mine, a real educator who really is in the proper place to give me an education about . . . well, anything. I’ll call him by his initials, D.S.:

“If I’m ever in VA in your neck of the woods, I would like you, Erika, to disclose to me the extremely pertinent and relevant piece of information about your recent flubbing of the word ‘secession,’ should we ever meet in person and I’m considering hiring you to represent me. Make sure I know that you really did once use the word ‘succession’ in place of ‘secession.’ There are misspellings, Erika, and then there is the wholly different realm of completely replacing one word with a DIFFERENT WORD. Since you did that – something I do see now and then from my 6TH-GRADE STUDENTS – and yet at the same time you pompously insult and belittle your political opposition regularly on a blog, there is one thing that is clear: I surely deserve a better attorney than the likes of you. So I will then need to know who you are and then take my business elsewhere. Have a great day.”

Brock,

Just as you have proven you know nothing about Europe, you have also proven you know nothing about New England. That is zero for two.

And no balls.

@Brock: you stated: I have no doubt that there are many a black, red, or brown, person out there who can analyze literature better than myself. But the number of white or yellow people who can make that claim is likely to far exceed the number of black, brown, or red.

Perhaps you need to study further back into Egyptian Culture and the advancements that we have because of this dark race of people.

Then look around the world as you see it today with the all the wonderfully talented black and brown people who are successfully and very rich, and even a President and First Lady of this country then rethink that statement.

Reynardine, remember what I said about leftists being deluded into believing there are only two dimensions to human existence – the individual and the state? Thank you for proving my point again. Governments can exercise jurisdiction over many a polarized, squabbling, bickering nation/nationality of people at the same time. Doesn’t make them all the members of the same NATION. Same sovereign government, yes, but not nation. Not by the longest shot in the world. No we don’t all have to agree that grits are better with sugar than salt, Charlotte Bronte was a better writer than Emily, or San Diego is a nicer city than San Francisco. But where our entire worldviews are clearly at odds, Reynardine, we have no nation.

@Brock: stop attempting to beat up on Erika for most likely being a victim of spell check that even the best of us have been.

A spelling error is easily corrected even in a court of law. However, within the context of the reading a reasonable person can usually determine what was meant or where the alleged spelling error took place. The key words here being a “reasonable person”.

While spelling errors are easily corrected, it has been my experience that lack of critical thinking skills are not so easily corrected if they are correctable at all.

Brock: put your money where your speaking orifice is and strip yourself of this nationality you say you don’t have, then.

Brock: your eminent educator is a sixth grade teacher? And sounds just like you, into the bargain? I see.

@MRJ: No it is not all in your head. They are racists and they employ the services of the degenerates that live around them or who they can employ through Internet connections.

They use all the methods you have listed above and yes I believe that when a large group of people who conspire and get away with federal crimes the way they do in communities, then they are being protected by not only family and friends, but others in power that are well aware of them.

An event took place when the hosts were mostly white and it was very peaceful during that event.

Another event took place when the participants were mostly Indian and the peace lasted just as long for them to finish the event.

They have a way here of going out of their way to make the experiences of others unpleasant. What I have learned is that it is a practice that does nothing more than further push their communities into becoming ghettos. No, very few minorities these are in fact what I would call “white” ghettos.

When a community is cohesive in perpetrating hate they spend too much time and energy on their poison. They do not grow and prosper in the ways that I have noticed in more well rounded and diverse communities. A healthy community seems to prosper in the arts and academia.

It really does pay to bring children up valuing education and other prosperous endeavors. This will give them the tools to excel in life.

However, when people are teaching their children to hate and complain about all that life owes them and encouraging them to harass their neighbors it would seem to me that their activities leave little room for true intellectual and artistic achievement. And the community as a whole suffers.

I don’t believe anyone wants to live in a chicken outfit.

MRJ: the racists I have encountered like to employ methods of emotional and mental coercion, and intimidation in order to control their victims. Terrible mind games. They are indeed the parasites of our communities.

I found your post particularly interesting. Thank you for sharing.

brock, it seems that your two primary issues are first a vastly inflated sense of self worth – which is to say that you think you know everything. And second, that you apparently already do live in an isolated island where no other people are present and you never venture out from that island. Or maybe you just stay in Sacramento and rely on stereotypical views of other places. Which is to say that its obvious that you have never left your little bubble because if you actually have you would find that Americans everywhere have a whole lot in common.

See, Brock, i know that you probably think that because i’m Southern that i sit on the veranda of my plantation house wearing a hoop skirt and drinking tea which is even more sugary and sweeter than my accent. That is obviously not true because unfortunately i cannot afford a plantation house with a veranda (and despite the best efforts of the Antebellum Department of Princess Erika’s Guilded Age Fashions hoop skirts have yet to have a major comeback), Of course, if you would actually come to the South you’d learn some things – such as the fact that the South is now filled with Yankees and Midwesterners (like my parents!) – and of course, the same national brands, national television programs, and nationally distrubed music is also here. In fact the biggest difference you will see between say South Carolina and Indiana is that South Carolina has Krystal and Indiana has White Castle. and they are like so totally different because Krystal has chili cheese fries and puts mustard on their burgers unless you order them without while White Castle has fried onion pedals and if you want mustard you have to add it yourself.

So Brock, leave your little white supremacist bubble in your home which was stolen from Mexico and go on a trip across this great land of ours. Just don’t take the interstate highways because then you might decide that the regions are in fact vastly incapable because of the entire Waffle House issue.

Now you might decide that there is a difference between the urban majority of America and the rural places – after all, rural Georgia has way more in common with rural Iowa than it does with Atlanta. Of course, Atlanta has way more in common with Chicago than it does with rural Georgia. That makes sense, both Atlanta and Chicago are filled with people from rural Iowa :P

But see, honey, what happens is that there are some people – mainly right wing media figures – who wax about the rural lands in the South and the Midwest. Most of them live in New York or Washington, DC which are both big cities – many of them have never even really ever been in the rural South or Midwest. As a result, their views tend to be very laughable to anyone who has even ever visited the Midwest or South. That is to say that even in those more rural areas the vast majority of the population lives in large cities, suburbs, small cities, and rural areas.

Basically like every other thing on which you have expressed an opinion, (especially women) you think you know it all, but in reality, its not just Europe that you know nothing about.

Erika, after reading your post on 3/25 you have put me in the mood for sweet tea…something I haven’t had in a while.

As a member of the Constitution Party (one of the groups branded as “antigovernment Patriot) I would encourage to read the response I posted on my blog, The Berean Observer. The post is entitled “I am an ‘Antigovernment extremist’!” My contention is that by including us on your list of Patriot groups you grossly inflated the number of such groups (we account for over 13% of the total) and you unfairly linked us to domestic terrorism. Hardly what we would expect from an organization that claims to be dedicated to tolerance and justice!

Yes, Erika, I’m aware that the South is full of Yankees. Why do you use that term? Is it because you know and understand that there is nothing Southern about them except for the fact that they simply live there? Today, the South is only the South geographically. There was a concerted and systematic effort to destroy it from 1861-77. It started back up again with the Southward migration waves starting roughly a century later and still going on.

Let’s see, a war won by one nation-state against another foreign nation-state, land won in the process, followed by the most graceful gesture of paying the defeated country $15 million for that land . . . yep, that’s stealing!

Hilarious. Keep ‘em coming, Erika.

Brock, the North is also full of Southerners, just as the South is full of Northerners. Collectively, we are known as Americans. And now: What are you for? What is your country? What is your ideal society like? What are its laws, what are its customs, what is its soil, and whose is its blood? Be specific. Answer like a man, not a weasel.

brock, back to the old “Lost Cause of the Confederacy” myth again? How droll.

how about you put down the League of the South/Lost Cause literature and step away from your compuer and go around this great country of ours because obviously lif e in your bubble has left you unable to understand it. Or at least go outside and have some sweet tea.

Oh yeah, and you seem to love your “fellow Americans,” Reynardine. You’re not wholly at odds with any of us, concerning your basic worldview! LOS members, immigration restrictionists, oh yeah, we and you and Barack Obama’s voters are all ONE NATION!

Wait, what’s this? “Keeping an eye on the Radical Right.”

Reynardine, the total nonexistence of an American nation is staring us all in the face from our computer screens at the top of this page. You believe people who hold such views as mine need to be surveilled like we are possible
spies from Hezbollah.

But seriously, Reynardine, your inquiries you’ve been pressing upon me are very much worthy of response, and responses are forthcoming. Look for one on this blog entry. I admit it does require a lot of thought, so give me until maybe tomorrow.

Pop! goes the weasel!!

Hey Brock, careful with that match: you just might ignite your STRAWMAN!

That was pathetic, even for you.

Just being honest, Aron, about the amount of thought I need to put into the answer to such a loaded and broad question. What was pathetic about it? Oh and sorry, Reynardine, look on the other blog entry where you made that demand.

oh looks like mr. brock has yet to show up to tell us what he is for. maybe he is on his way to Memphis :P

or maybe he is too busy fantasizing about me wearing a hoop skirt ;)

Erika,

I’d be lying I I wasn’t. Watching girls spin around and around in hoop skirts is wonderful fun!

brockie, brockie, brocke – you actually had to take time to think up that drivel? You are even more pathetic than i possibily imagined :P

Aron, speaking of dresses, after going to the Easter service in a downpour this freezing cold morning and realzing that the cute little Easter dress i picked to wear wasn’t nearly warm enough, i have a favor to ask you on behalf of all of us Easter dress wearing Gentiles:

i was wondering if you could be a dear and talk with the Learned Elders of Zion about changing the Jewish Calendar to make sure that the date of Passover only comes in the middle to end of April so that there will be no more freezing cold March Easters ;)

Brock, if you don’t like pathetic, would you prefer creepy instead?

Erika, for you, anything <3

Brock anyone who spreads hate and divide among a nations people need to be watched and under surveillance to thwart violent crimes like those we’ve seen in Wisconsin and many others I will not take time to name here.

It has been my experience that bigotry does not stop at a mere conversation over the breakfast table between family and friends but it is brought into the streets and manifested as crimes against innocent Americans.

Do you never do that, concernedcitizen? Does the Left never try to divide people? Saul Alinsky said proudly something that the Right has always known – that causing division amongst people and pitting certain groups against others is a key tactic for the Left. As for “hate,” and “bigotry,” very loaded words which bring much more emotion than logic to my mind, what do you consider hate and bigotry? Any and all opposition to homosexual rights, at least as far as they’ve been known in the egalitarian sense since Stonewall? The beliefs of Phyllis Schlafly, that marriage for a woman is consent to sex as well, so there is no rape in marriage? Or is your definition more in line with the SPLC’s definition – that an organization has to peddle known falsehoods debunked by certain statistics, but otherwise they can BELIEVE whatever they want and still stay clear of their hate group list?

Dividing people is done in acts of war.

hate crime n (1984) : any of various crimes (as assault or defacement of property) when motivated by hostility to the victim as a member of a group (as one based on color, creed, gender, or sexual orientation)

big·ot \’bi-g?t\ n [F, hypocrite, bigot] (1660) : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; esp: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed \-g?-t?d\ adj
— big·ot·ed·ly adv

These are fully defined words void of emotion.

One thing I can tell you is that the bigots in one little town I experienced were mostly liars, troublemakers and atrocious eye shores.

“These are fully defined words void of emotion.”

One need only peruse the comments by leftists on their blogs, such as this one, to see the falsehood of the second part of that statement. Yes, however, those terms do have definitions. That begs a question, then: What about you? Do you harbor feelings of hatred or bigotry towards anybody? You do realize that you either a) have no emotions at all, meaning you’re not a human being, or you’re b) lying, if you say no, don’t you?

Isn’t it cute when Brock tries to reason!

I do take some offense at the broad brush painting those who live in small towns as somehow small-minded or unintelligent.

I live in a small town in the Nebraska Panhandle (128 people), I am known here for a few things: as being liberally-minded, as a disabled veteran, and caring about all in my community.

When in November one of our town’s councilmembers died, the village board appointed me to his seat to fill out his term. Of the five who stood forth for the position, the board deemed me “the least divisive.” I even had the support of the very conservative gun shop owner on the board for the position.

I would readily agree there are extremists in small towns, just as there are in big cities. I don’t recall any news articles about liberal extremists blowing anything up recently though, or trying to subvert science education in schools, or claim the President is not an American citizen because his father wasn’t born in the USA (though his mother was born in Kansas), though Senator John McCain was born in Panama and no one makes such claims about him,

There are plenty of folk in large cities that believe these things too. It is not an issue of “small minds in small towns,” it is an issue of “small minds” full stop.

Brock I’m sure there are more choices than that. Let’s define prejudice: 1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one’s rights ; esp: detriment to one’s legal rights or claims.

Brock I have personal preferences as all people do but they do not extend into disregard of one’s rights, nor do I inflict injury or damage or wish to cause detriment to one’s legal rights or claims.

Those that propagate hate and divide by use of violence are not exercising their legal rights they have no legal right to harm or propagate hate that would lead to harm or the infringement of the civil rights of others.

When people speak racist comments or engage in harmful activities towards others that in fact does disregard the persons rights then we have prejudice and maybe even a hate crime.

Personal preferences or judgements are just that, personal. But when you have people willing to act out adversely on their personal preferences or judgments then we as a society have a problem.

2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics predilection

Brock some people are stoic by design does not mean they are not human. Others are worse than immature emotional children who can’t control their emotions at all.

Not Hate, hate would suggest emotional involvement. Do I have indifference towards anyone, absolutely. Complete indifference. Hate is a waste of time and only eats up the bearer of it.

A note to our commenters:

As a lot of you know, we’ve developed a problem with the antagonistic nature of the comment threads on Hatewatch. As a result, and after talking to some of you, we’ve decided to try and restore some civility and sense of community.

From now on, we’re just not going to publish comments that include name-calling of any kind, no matter whose side of a particular issue you’re on. We’re not going to publish guttural expressions of racism, anti-Semitism, gay-bashing, misogyny and so on. We will publish white nationalist arguments, but only if they’re presented civilly and calmly, like the fellow from Stormfront who recently made an effort to politely argue with other commenters here. We will not publish bogus claims about certain groups’ alleged inferiority, and we won’t publish links to racist sites or sites that contain misleading or false statistics. Finally, we plan to stop publishing comments from a few posters who have become a real problem on our threads.

This is not an attempt to censor people’s thinking, but it is an effort to make Hatewatch more of a community of people discussing important issues. We don’t want it to degenerate yet another Internet shouting match.

Thanks for your understanding. We appreciate your contributions to the blog very much.

Mark Potok

Apparently you choose to post leftist views only, and not a single bit from republicans as to why they are so outraged. nothing about the IRS who will be in charge of our healthcare, even though they targeted conservatives for discrimination. imagine how many of us will die when they choose to begin the discrimination in healthcare they wont provide us. how about Benghazi? how about Fast and Furious which republicans were blamed for? how about the wire taps and accusations of republicans being more dangerous that Al-Queda when it self-proclaimed democrats shooting everything up? if you choose to change my post, dont bother posting it. i didn’t lie, dont turn it into a lie to suit your purposes.

Your kidding right? How many planes have they crashed into buildings and bombs have they fired off at marathons?Just curious!

Rather than being a purely grassroots movement that spontaneously developed shortly after Obamas took office, the Tea Party was in fact the end result a plan developed years before. Even the effort seen right here today attempting to portray the TP as a politically diverse group of common folks from a range of minorities was carefully worked out by PR pros years before anyone had heard the name Tea Party in the news.
The rank and file members swear they are a spontaneous expression of their own beliefs. But decades of work by the tobacco industry trying at first to stage-manage a popular revolt against high excise tax rates the government had recently leveled on tobacco products eventually morphed into more familiar themes like the Boston Tea Party protest of unfair taxes.
But then they turned fear and hatred of the English government into a more general hatred of government power overall. The Minutemen, guns, patriot militias, are all common elements of TP speech, that while always existing, begun to really take off once the usefulness of those themes for rallying conservatives was realized.

In conjunction with Koch Bros financing for the creation of a more formal think-tank (we know as the Cato Institute) to provide intellectual cover for TV pundits by which they could excuse or even identify with the hoped-for TP protesters holding placards ranting against “big government”,intruding on the “little mans” ability to work and feed his family, an idea that fit well with the execs lobbying for a reduction in their own tax rates, providing loopholes or removing worker safety regs mandated by “big government!”
They;ve now manipulated the working class into giving them, the wealthiest people alive, our own money by conflating unions with communism, opposing a minimum wage law for our own kids, removing EPA’s pollution laws, mandated workplace safety, allowing industry to go offshore despite record profits at home, taking a patriotic stand against universal health care coverage for our own kids…..all while allowing Wall St. to deregulate.

People so removed from the real world, and so scared or hateful regarding the few touchstones they may still be able to follow along until they can reorient themselves to the real world, that I fear a non-violent resolution to the problem may not exist anymore.

“Although the Tea Party is widely considered to have started in 2009,9 this paper presents a historical study of of the tobacco companies’ early activities and key players in the evolution of the Tea Party.
Moreover, while the Tea Party started in the USA,In 2012 Koch;s FreedomWorks expanded the movement internationally, training activists in 30 countries, including Israel, Georgia, Japan, Nigeria and Serbia” ^[18]