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White Supremacist Brings Racist Filmmaker to Texas A&M
In recent years, globetrotting white supremacist financier and organizer Preston Wiginton has appeared at racist skinhead gatherings (he won a “strongest skinhead” contest at Hammerfest in 2005); co-sponsored lectures with hate groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens and the Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom; rallied racist skinheads in Russia (where he lives part of the year in an apartment rented from ex-Klan boss David Duke); and been denied entry to the UK to address a festival put on by the neo-fascist British National Party.
He’s a busy guy on the white supremacist circuit, so it’s no surprise that he’s organized yet another event. This time, Wiginton has called in racist filmmaker Craig Bodeker to show his film, A Conversation about Race, on the Texas A&M campus on March 20.
Bodeker is no slouch in white nationalist circles, either. His film, released as a DVD in 2008, is a 58-minute attempt to prove the thesis that racism is a bogus concept invented to oppress whites. To do that, he interviewed people he found through a Craigslist ad (ambiguously titled “Ending Racism Now”) and on a street corner in Denver, where he lives. When the people he interviews claim they see racism every day but don’t cite strong examples, Bodeker thus feels he can claim that racism doesn’t exist. He also asserts in the film that Latinos are deliberately taking away whites’ majority status, and he attempts to get his subjects to admit that black people commit more crime than white.
In spite of that, Bodeker continues to claim he’s not the one who’s racist, even though he has attended white nationalist events and given interviews to white nationalist media outlets, including The Political Cesspool, whose guests have included David Duke, neo-Nazi April Gaede, white nationalist Jared Taylor and anti-Semitic professor Kevin MacDonald.
Bodeker’s latest project is a group called the National Citizens League (NCL), apparently launched in 2012. The flyer for his upcoming Texas A&M appearance calls him the group’s founder. The NCL’s mission statement claims that its purpose is to increase public awareness about the efforts of “established media” and “bad government” to act against “our national interests” and how citizens can use visual media to “fight back.” The site serves as a platform for Bodeker’s film (you can watch it there), but nothing new has been posted since June of last year, according to the site archive.
The site also includes a video of Bodeker introducing the group in his affable way and some postings of videos of Bodeker’s “Race Report.” A visit to the NCL’s Facebook page reveals a lot more. There, you’ll see recent posts defending members of the Towson White Student Union (listed as a hate group by SPLC) who openly advocated segregation and defended slavery at the CPAC conference, a premier gathering of conservatives each year, with this description: “Governmedia in Panic – Someone Let A White American Address OUR INTERESTS AT CPAC!”
Other Facebook posts by the currently unknown NCL administrator include some that call non-white immigrants “invaders.” Another wants “Governmedia” to “Tell The Truth About ‘Diversity’” (it’s bad). Another asks “Why are Republicans so afraid of ‘appreciating’ AMERICA’S MAJORITY, that’s, well you, know, WHITE…?” Still another seems to suggest that there’s some kind of “ethnic cleansing” of whites from America and another asks anyone to name one benefit that Muslims bring to white countries. In another anti-Muslim post, the NCL administrator says that “Swedes Are Now Realizing They Were Wrong To Allow Muslim Immigration – When Will the Rest of the West…?” Preston Wiginton posted a response to that one, asking why Swedish men weren’t standing up for their women.
That’s par for Bodeker’s course: He has also posted offensive and inflammatory slurs on videos that other users have uploaded to YouTube. As user “Craigbe,” he has referred to black people as “monkeys,” used the anti-gay slur “fag,” and suggested that resigned black White House adviser Van Jones should be lynched.
For a man who claims not to be racist, he spends a lot of time proving otherwise. This week at Texas A&M will no doubt be more of the same.
on March 18th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Ironic, since one of the clearest examples of racism in American public institutions is education. Teachers of predominately white students earn more than teachers of predominately non-white students, even within the same school district.
on March 18th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Almighty God have mercy on Lady Liberty’s soul, the neo-Confederate/Nazi white pride troglodytes are coming out in full recruiting force since the Kenyan Muslim Usurper retook “They’re House” last November, as if it was righteously owned by a single race or ethnic group in the first place.
While I don not believe violence or physical intimidation is the way to address the individuals of sub-zero I.Q.’s who subscribeto such patent idiocy, I encourage any and all residents of that campus to loudly let them know that their bigotry and hatred for those different than them has no place in a diversifying America. The more things change, the more they must apparently stay the same indeed…
on March 18th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Of course there is racism. I believe the only way to destroy it is to prove it wrong by hard work, building strong families and not making a culture out of breaking the law. Welfare that rewards single parent households, quotas instead of talent based hiring and lowering the standards in all our schools to the lowest common denominator have proven to be a recipe for disaster.
on March 18th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
I can name two attributes of “Mooslamic” culture right away that these guys can’t hack: A. Sobriety; B. Algebra.
on March 18th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
This is very dangerous rhetoric. You have probably heard this said in one way or another; that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people that he wasn’t there.
Well it appears that this man comes under the disguise of deception. He claims to be one thing embracing one set of beliefs then after he baits and switches he leads weak minded people down the road of destruction.
on March 18th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Is truth that racism is an invention to exeploit the whites…
on March 18th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Southern Poverty Law Center together with the ADL are the most racist hate groups ever seen.
Their only function is to inflame the “minorities”against the white majority to create social unrest in ee.uu and europe.
For this reason I see these 2 groups as terrorist hate groups.
on March 19th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Another Erika impersonation. And, “Cohen”, if that is your name, then mine is Leonard Bernstein.
on March 19th, 2013 at 9:42 am
“Welfare that rewards single parent households, quotas instead of talent based hiring ”
Please explain to us, with data, what these policies are.
“Their only function is to inflame the “minorities”against the white majority to create social unrest in ee.uu and europe.”
Can you explain what the “ee.uu” is, and show us an example of the SPLC doing this? Also, were you aware that Europeans aren’t “white”, but European? Or did you just think that whole continent, with all its diverse culture, should be lumped into one homogeneous group based on skin color?
on March 19th, 2013 at 9:48 am
What young Sam seems to be saying is that if victims of racial stereotyping do not prove those stereotypes wrong to Sam’s satisfaction, then those stereotypes are obviously correct.
Tell us again, Sam, the correlation between race and law abiding behaviour. This should be good. Feel free to borrow JasonAnnieEvraEdward’s pointy white hood as a stage prop, although I am beginning to suspect that you probably have your own.
on March 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Nobody is saying that Africa needs diversity.
Nobody is saying that Asia needs diversity.
They are already 100% diverse.
People are only telling white children in white countries that they need diversity.
White countries will be 100% diverse when there are no white people left.
Diversity is a code-word for the genocide of white people.
Every white country on earth is supposed to become multicultural and multiracial.
Every white country is expected to end its own race and end its own culture. No one asks that of ANY non-white country.
The Netherlands is as crowded as Japan, Belgium is as crowded as Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and assimilating and intermarrying with them.
Everybody says the final solution to the RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to bring in the third world and assimilate with them.
Immigration, tolerance, and especially assimilation are being used against the white race.
All this immigration and intermarriage is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.
Anti-white is called anti-racist, but it leads to the disappearance of one race and only one race, the white race. The real aim of anti-racism is to wipe out the white race or make it a minority anywhere it exists.
It is genocide.
on March 19th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Hey Cohen,
You clearly wandered in here by mistake. Stormfront is *that-a-way*…
on March 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am
People like Wiginton and Bodecker are obviously nothing but racist agitators. I find it laughable that they think they can bamboozle people into seeing them as anything but. They use faulty logic and twisted word salads to make themselves sound reasonable but they are nothing but malicious white supremacists who deserve a swift, hard kick to the curb.
on March 19th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Oh look the fake Erika is back complete with mispelled words and a complete non sequitor (choose your sources for copying and pasting more carefully, sweetie).
The odd thing is that its whining in this case is actually sort of true – historically racism has been primary a way to divide the poor whites from the people who economically they should be allied with (poor people of other races) – its purpose was to enable the rich whites to run off with everything as the poor whites fought the non-whites over scraps.
In any case, please choose a different name for your copy and paste nonsense. Or better yet stop offering it all together because you are just embarassing yourself.
on March 19th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
The whois lookup for the National Citizens League website lists Bodeker as administrator and owner. The corporate filing for the “league” with the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office lists Bodeker as the sole named officer. I’d say there’s a good chance that this is a “league of one” and that Bodeker himself is the one posting those inflammatory Facebook comments. If so, it would prove beyond all doubt that his claim of not being a racist is a bald-faced lie – no big surprise.
The “league’s” mailing address, incidentally, is a mailbox at a UPS store, which is also the address for what would seem to be his day job as the owner of a home improvement company.
on March 19th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Oh, look. Barbarotico is back. And he doesn’t even know how to write ‘US.’
Idiot. And stop stealing our names. We aren’t all as stupid as you are .
on March 19th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Ah, yes, the typical reaction from the Left whenever a truly open and honest “conversation about race” starts to happen . . . we find out that that is exactly what they DON’T want. They welcome a conversation, indeed – one that goes in a left-wing, and only in a left-wing, direction.
on March 19th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Rey, they also discovered the zero. Iran had hot and cold running water 5,000 years ago when Europeans were running around painting their bodies blue. It still has some of the greatest architecture in the world.
on March 19th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
@Cohen: I can’t believe your name is Cohen.
But you are very wrong about SPLC and ADL. I can’t imagine what alternate universe you’re living in.
@Reynardine: you are very witty.
Did you notice that Cohen came in here throwing cow pies?
on March 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
I agree with Cohen, the SPLC, ADL, left leaning academia and the media in general fan the flames of civil unrest with a constant attack on western culture, traditions and values. Everything isn’t for everyone.
on March 19th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
“keeping and eye on the radical right” the Hatewatch motto. Is the SPLC unaware that the radical left can be just as hateful, if not more so? Their dissent is establishment sponsored and approved. The left truly are “radicals for the establishment”
on March 20th, 2013 at 7:35 am
Cohen,
Why is “minorities” in quotes? Especiallly, why is “minorities” in quotes in the same sentence that you refer (without quotes) to “the white majority”?
Using terms like “terrorist hate group” without concrete evidence is pretty stupid. Provide evidence, preferably not imaginary.
on March 20th, 2013 at 7:39 am
The Ameri-Indian didn’t accept diversity why should I?
The left is so full of contradictions. When whites went into non white lands it is called colonization and a horrible evil thing. When non whites go into white lands it is called immigration and considered to be a good thing.
The SPLC and the left are not anti-racist. They are anti-white.
on March 20th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Racism is out there and that can not be denied.
I do not know this craig person and have never looked into what his facebook page or anything else says so I can not tell you if he is a racist or not, and I sure as hell am not going to take the word of the SPLC because they have a liberal agenda and claim that people who are opposite of them are racist or hateful.
Go check out the story about being white in philly that made the news a few days ago because the mayor there threw a hissy fit over what the story was all about
on March 20th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Wonderful, another Stormfront canned “White Genocide” argument! Let’s shoot this one down.
“Nobody is saying that Africa needs diversity.”
Africa has diversity, stupid.
“Nobody is saying that Asia needs diversity.”
Asia has tons of diversity, from Mongols to Europeans.
“They are already 100% diverse.”
How do you measure that, exactly?
“People are only telling white children in white countries that they need diversity.”
Who are “people?” Who is saying this?
“White countries will be 100% diverse when there are no white people left.”
You do realize that part of what makes Asia diverse is “white people,” right?
“Diversity is a code-word for the genocide of white people.”
And this is a code phrase for “I’m a moron.”
“Every white country on earth is supposed to become multicultural and multiracial.”
There are no “white countries.” Never were. European countries have ALWAYS been multicultural. If you deny this, you clearly know nothing about European history or culture, and thus cannot claim to be its defender.
“Every white country is expected to end its own race and end its own culture. No one asks that of ANY non-white country.”
By WHO? Who is asking. I want their names. This crappy copypasta has been floating around or something like 2 years now, and nobody seems to be able to answer my simple question.
“The Netherlands is as crowded as Japan, Belgium is as crowded as Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and assimilating and intermarrying with them.”
Who says the Netherlands and Belgium should do this? Also, people ARE saying that Japan will need to rely on immigration to solve its demographics problem(which is far worse than many European countries), and they have been doing exactly that: http://www.japantoday.com/cate.....mmigration
“Everybody says the final solution to the RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to bring in the third world and assimilate with them.”
Who is “everybody?” Who is saying this. Tell us their names.
“Immigration, tolerance, and especially assimilation are being used against the white race.”
Immigration is an issue all over the world, including in Africa and Asia. You don’t bother to look, because you are an ignorant moron.
“All this immigration and intermarriage is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.”
Idiot, people can have “intermarriage” all over the world. There is immigration all over the world. Nobody forces you to marry anyone.
I know the moron who posted this copypasta isn’t going to reply, because he can’t. They never can. I responded because I want the gallery to see how easy it is to shoot down this Stormfront-generated BS, and how those who post it can’t even stand by it.
on March 20th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Brock, you want to have an honest conversation about race? Let’s have it right now. You start.
on March 20th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Southern Poverty Law Center is the racist. They are part of the racial issue problem. They are so ignorant, and they label groups as hate groups, simply because they are conservative.
on March 20th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Ruslan, there are some things that are so obvious that no amount of Liberal propaganda will wash away. None of the myriad problems in Black neighborhoods are my fault, and you should look for actual causes instead of pulling the excuse barge any further. Black employment percentages exceeded White levels in 1930. Two parent homes were near White levels of 80% in 1960. Black people built New Orleans, but during Katrina allowed themselves to be corralled into a dark stadium like cattle, secure in the false promise that the Government will always find a way to take care of them. I say again, and many Blacks are starting to realize, the failed, racist Liberal plans for saving them are their largest problem today.
on March 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Sam — as someone who has lots of Celtic-themed tattoos (knotwork and zoomorphic designs), I suppose I should take you to task for impugning my progenators, however, you are definitely correct about the middle-east — although Mooslems (to quote Rey) weren’t around 5,000 years ago (nor Christians). But also, as a collector and devotee of early maps and other navigational devices, I also very, very definitely agree that we have a lot to thank “the moors” and Islam for — if not for them, we would have lost such devices as the astrolabe and a lot of early cartography, since at least some elements within the early Christian church sought to stamp out anything that wasn’t “from the Bible.”
It is ironic that early Islam protected much of what we consider classical knowledge when the Christian world was wallowing in the Dark Ages. Now some elements in radical Islam — as well as some elements in radical Christianity — would like to take us back to the Dark Ages and away from liberal thought and stuff like science!
on March 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
@white rabbit: we are diverse here because we are free people. If you prefer communism then perhaps you should consider living in China.
We are Americans and we like diversity and we like our freedoms, so let’s keep on the right track of conversation and use cheap diversion tactics in our arguments that are not substantiated with any concrete proof, otherwise it is merely your opinion. I am not amongst the Chinese people in China, I do not study their politics to any notable extent and therefore I will not propose to know their mind or know what is or is not being asked of them.
No one is wiping out the white race except perhaps the ones that are worried about it and promoting racial hate and divide. Remember ignorance breeds fear and generally violence as well.
on March 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
@Gregory; yes it is amazing how there are people who assign thuggery to race. But if you take a look at the pictures of some of the most current convicted felons I believe they would be surprised to see how many of these individuals look like someones grandma or grandpa.
It’s amazing when you read the ages and see some of the mugshots.
on March 20th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Brock, you hit the nail on the head..You know someone has done something right when the “tolerant” leftists start getting disgruntled
on March 21st, 2013 at 10:52 am
it looks like the white nationalist/supremacist crowd has given up trying to fax their pennies to Stormfront and is looking for a place to hang out.
on March 21st, 2013 at 1:02 pm
“The Ameri-Indian didn’t accept diversity why should I?”
Actually they did. Up until the late 19th century thousands of Europeans, over the years, ran away to live with American Indian tribes. The Seminole nation was actually a mixed nation of Creek, Europeans, and runaway African slaves. In addition to that, many Amerindians acculturated into the European settler society.
This isn’t secret knowledge; anybody could have looked this up within seconds. I’m wondering why you didn’t.
“The left is so full of contradictions. When whites went into non white lands it is called colonization and a horrible evil thing. When non whites go into white lands it is called immigration and considered to be a good thing.”
Preston, do you need to be told the difference between colonization and immigration? Do you need someone to explain the difference between “going into” a country and conquering that country by force of arms in order to rule it?
Also, while it had a very different character, Europeans practiced forms of colonization against other Europeans as well. Ireland, the Balkans, interwar Western Ukraine(under Polonization) and Nazi-occupied Poland are examples of this.
As for immigration, millions of Europeans immigrated to the US in the 19th century, and continued to do so(and some to this day).
I’ll leave it at that and assume that this is enough to remind you of the difference between immigration and colonization. You’re welcome.
@Kerri Tang said,
“Southern Poverty Law Center is the racist. They are part of the racial issue problem. ”
Explain how. Show your work.
@James
Hate groups on the left? Name them.
@Sam
Sources please. Also explain what the poor black families were supposed to do during Katrina.
on March 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Bringing racism to Texas A & M, talk about bringing coal to Newcastle.
on March 21st, 2013 at 6:27 pm
@Ruslan Amirkhanov
Many thanks for your demolition of White Rabbit; geez, I thought rabbits were more intelligent than this.
Loud applause to you.
on March 21st, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Yep, Coralsea, radicals on all sides are a huge threat. Oh, and I know the Persians weren’t “mooslims” (sic) as that started about 700 ish. Sharia law is even newer, about 1400 ish. I don’t know what the Persian religion was. Somebody on here does though, I’d bet my Genie lamp.
on March 21st, 2013 at 8:06 pm
What a joke this guy is. “Ameri-Indian”? There’s no such thing. If you can’t accept diversity, then you are in the wrong country, because you don’t belong here and never did. Leave. And yes, since whites stole, murdered, committed genocide, kidnapped, cheated, etc, from the people whose lands they colonized, yes, showing your faces was a horrible thing. You have yet to make amends and pay for your crimes, but eventually, you will.
on March 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm
“European countries have ALWAYS been multicultural.”
Mmmmm . . . nope, that’s going to be strike two. I was on the fence for a minute, because a country CAN be multicultural per se, insofar as there can be, say, a few small concentrated areas within said country which listen to a type of music or use a type of eating utensils different from the rest of the country . . . but as for the countries with truly stark differences between different regions, how funny it is that they never seem to last. Belgium surely will not make it to its 200th birthday.
You’ve got one strike left, Comrade. Seems so far that the Left doesn’t want to have an honest and open conversation about race, as the leftist I’m talking to right now seems to prefer fantasies and falsehoods over facts.
on March 21st, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Why instead of bashing people like Jared Taylor why dont you just debate him.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 6:12 am
@Sam Molloy: The government is SUPPOSED to take care of it’s citizens during a NATURAL DISASTER.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am
I see a lot of false accusations against “THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER,” as being racist themselves. What hypocritical commenters are they. They should thank God that these false accusers can have their garbage published.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 10:35 am
If the guy wants to make a hate race film, so what. This is America, he has the right to do that. Don’t watch it if you don”t like it.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Justin,
We don’t debate Taylor because he isn’t worth our time.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
And Sam, the Persian religion is Zoroastrianism.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Thanks Aron, but with your sense of humor I think I will check that out. I mean, do they worship Zorro or what…
on March 22nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Ruslan, Hmm. I live below sea level 25 miles from the ocean. Plan? I don’t need no stinking plan. I’ll just wait and do what “they” tell me to do…My point was that they had been trained to depend on the Government. I’m sure their grandparents survived hurricanes, otherwise they would not be here.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
“We don’t debate Taylor because he isn’t worth our time.”
Spoken like somebody afraid of another, because the former knows he could NEVER, EVER win a debate with the latter.
on March 22nd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Mods, I’d very much like you to post this, if you don’t mind, as it is quite pertinent to my discussion with another blog participant:
Ruslan, in case you were wondering, this little gem which is, haha, TOTALLY consistent with anthropology and scientific reality (Oh, you do understand sarcasm, right?), was strike one: “There are no “white countries.” Never were.”
Lord help us.
Anyway, you had another question which is in dire need of an answer: What left-wing hate groups are there?
Mr. Amirkhanov, according to pretty much all organizations you can think of on the Right, who have ever been the targets of rhetoric that can only be described by somebody with a human soul as vicious, profane, contemptuous, and absolutely laden with HATE, a litany of them can be listed for you: Huffington Post, Daily Kos, AlterNet, MSNBC (to be specific, read the comment section at the bottom of any given webpage for the aforementioned organizations, especially Daily Kos), and the head of the snake, the SPLC. You see, we have created a list of qualifications organizations must meet in order to be listed as hate groups. This organization meets them. Who gave any right-wing organization the moral authority to attach such an emotionally-charged label to another, AND expect to be taken seriously as an authority on the matter by outside parties, you might rightfully ask? Why, nobody, of course, just like nobody in any official position of authority appointed Morris Dees, Julian Bond, and Mark Potok to attach that label to whomever they want! Get it, Ruslan? Two can play that game, Comrade!
on March 23rd, 2013 at 1:24 am
“If the guy wants to make a hate race film, so what. This is America, he has the right to do that. Don’t watch it if you don”t like it.”
Oh look, another person who can’t understand the difference between “freedom of speech,” and “freedom from criticism.”
“Mmmmm . . . nope, that’s going to be strike two. I was on the fence for a minute, because a country CAN be multicultural per se, insofar as there can be, say, a few small concentrated areas within said country which listen to a type of music or use a type of eating utensils different from the rest of the country”
First of all, you need to learn how to construct sentences properly. Second, I am right, and you are wrong. If you dispute that European nations were multicultural, you are basically telling us that you know nothing about Europe.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am
“Mmmmm . . . nope, that’s going to be strike two. I was on the fence for a minute, because a country CAN be multicultural per se, insofar as there can be, say, a few small concentrated areas within said country which listen to a type of music or use a type of eating utensils different from the rest of the country . . . but as for the countries with truly stark differences between different regions, how funny it is that they never seem to last. Belgium surely will not make it to its 200th birthday.
You’ve got one strike left, Comrade. Seems so far that the Left doesn’t want to have an honest and open conversation about race, as the leftist I’m talking to right now seems to prefer fantasies and falsehoods over facts.” – Brock Henderson
Actually, European nations have always been multicultural because different nationalities settled or invaded other countries like France did to Spain in the Napoleonic Wars. That’s a strike against you, Duke.
“Ruslan, there are some things that are so obvious that no amount of Liberal propaganda will wash away. None of the myriad problems in Black neighborhoods are my fault, and you should look for actual causes instead of pulling the excuse barge any further. Black employment percentages exceeded White levels in 1930. Two parent homes were near White levels of 80% in 1960. Black people built New Orleans, but during Katrina allowed themselves to be corralled into a dark stadium like cattle, secure in the false promise that the Government will always find a way to take care of them. I say again, and many Blacks are starting to realize, the failed, racist Liberal plans for saving them are their largest problem today.” – Sam Molloy
I swear this guy is a joke. What were the people of New Orleans, who were not all black, supposed to do? You seem to have all the answers. Where are your sources? Your comments concerning the black population is starting to make me think you’re JasonAnnieEzra.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am
“@Sam Molloy: The government is SUPPOSED to take care of it’s citizens during a NATURAL DISASTER” – Chris Harper
Apparently, Sam is too stupid to know that.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am
Well, Brock, *those* organizations make you feel hated? What a sissy little shrinking violet you are! Before you ever again accuse Erika of not being a real woman, why don’t you try being a real man?
on March 23rd, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Sam, I wasn’t joking. Zoroastrianism is a real thing. People still practice it.
Look up the connection between Zoroaster and Star Wars.
And Brock, the real reason I would never debate him is because like you, Taylor would never admit when he is wrong or has been bested. You are both True Believers.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Steeerike three! You’re out, Ruslan. You make sure and bring basic knowledge about nationhood to the table next time you want to start a debate, silly little boy. Yes, a nation can be multilingual, as the very peaceful country of Switzerland demonstrates. But multicultural? Well, yes, the old empires of Europe contained many different cultures within them. And what happened to them, Ruslan? One nation cannot perpetually and peacefully contain more than one culture, not for very long. Try again, silly!
on March 23rd, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Hey Brock,
Look at China. They have roughly a dozen or more major cultures, and countless more minor ones.
And they seem to be doing A-OK.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Pam, how dare you say whites will have to pay for their “crimes”? I highly doubt people such as Erika and the other caring, non-racist whites who post on here will make amends for things they didn’t do and rightfully so, silly girl..
on March 23rd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Brock, do you have any hilarious it is for me when you lecture me(a person living in Europe) on European nations and culture? Let me break this down to you very simply: If you claim that European nations are not, or were not, multicultural, you might as well be flat out saying “I don’t know jack about Europe.”
That’s what you’ve done Brock. You’re not going to trick me into thinking that you actually know something about Europe, because you’ve disproved that idea a long time ago.
on March 23rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Ruslan, did Rome and the Caesars contain the cultures of Italy, Gaul, Francia, Lombardy, and Germania successfully and perpetually? Did Slavs, Greeks, and Turks live in one Byzantine nation-state forever? How about those Tsarist Russians and their other cultures of the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Baltics, and Poles? Why, wouldn’t you know it, all or at least most of those ethnic groups have separate nation-states now.
Oh, and you’re actually Ukrainian or Russian, not Ukrainian- or Russian-AMERICAN! Didn’t see that one coming from somebody who has expressed such LOVE and RESPECT for AMERICA’s history and traditions. The SPLC has actually attracted attention from a real Soviet Union leftover loyalist. They must be so proud of themselves.
Aron, tell that to a Tibetan.
on March 24th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Thanks for clarifying the nature of your idiocy, Brock. At first I wasn’t sure what you were blearghing about, but now I see the child logic behind your argument: States which contained more than one culture did not remain indefinitely, ergo the fact that they contained different cultures must be the sole reason why they collapsed and thus it is impossible for their to be multiple cultures in one state. Yup, pretty idiotic indeed.
Now let’s correct your idiocy a little bit. First of all, when you speak of the culture of Rome, you are speaking of a culture which inherited that of classical Greece, adding their own elements to it. The fact that the Roman empire didn’t last indefinitely doesn’t support your statement at all. In fact even the nations which would sack Rome admired Roman culture and tried to assimilate it. Same thing with China throughout its history(barbarians from the north becoming enamored with Chinese culture).
Also when you speak of the various nations of the former Soviet Union, you display the typical ignorance of Westerners on the subject. Many of those former republics were never nation states in their entire history. When you see modern-day Ukraine, that is a creation of the USSR, not a continuation of some old “Ukrainian” state. Even the use of the word Ukrainian as an identifier dates back to the late 19th century. In any case, look at what has happened in Eastern Europe since the fall of the USSR, it is clear that the multicultural state was desirable compared to countless postage-stamp states with romantic, albeit false histories.
You are also multicultural, Brock. You claim to be a Christian, and Christianity comes out of the Middle East. You speak a variety of English not used in Europe. I think if you take stock of your life, you will find all kinds of influences from diverse cultures.
Now get angry and stamp your feet some more.
on March 24th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Brock: nihil durare potest tempore cum bene. Especially not brain omelettes.
on March 24th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Tempore perpetuo cum bene, I meant to say
on March 24th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Brock, aside from the Tibetans and the Uhygurs, everything seems pretty OK. Not that you would admit it.
And race relations here in the US are fantastic. Sure there is tension, but a lot less than you’d admit.
Still waiting for you to form your micronation.
on March 24th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
We’re getting way off topic here. I simply believe the original American ideas of personal freedom, personal responsibility and very limited government are more “progressive” than Socialism, Communism, or Feudalism. What I prefer was actually called Liberalism when the Magna Carta started the people’s march away from the power of the Crown and Church. In practice, natural disasters, catastrpohic illnesses and Air Traffic Control are good examples of what the Government should take care of. Taxing half the income of the half of the people that work to pay for the other half of the population to have babies, do drugs and watch TV is not Progressive to me.
on March 24th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Aron, Thanks for opening a door to some new information. So far I have learned that the ancient Persians worshipped Mazda. However the Christian Bible says that the Disciples were in one Accord.
on March 24th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
This is now the proper response to any comment by Brock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
on March 24th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
@Sam: you stated:
“but during Katrina allowed themselves to be corralled into a dark stadium like cattle, secure in the false promise that the Government will always find a way to take care of them.”
It is perplexing to me how any human brain could come up with something this irrational. But everyone can see it here that you indeed posted it for us all to read.
The buses were gone, there was no way out, flood waters were everywhere. It was a natural disaster. They were given shelter at a location that was the safest place to set up a shelter.
One day if you are ever caught in a natural disaster of that magnitude you will be praying for a safe shelter.
on March 24th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
“and thus it is impossible for their to be multiple cultures in one state”
THEIR, Ruslan? Really?? You can thank me, an English major, for helping you out here a little bit: The word you’re looking for is “there.” Now it’s time for another lesson, silly little boy. Class is in session!
In spite of what your Communist teachers might have told you, there are more dimensions to human existence than the individual and the state. That’s why I did not, for one moment, say that there cannot be multiple cultures in one STATE. In fact I said the exact opposite, that history is replete with multicultural STATES. Some have kept the interethnic, interlinguistic, or intercultural tensions at bay for a time, sometimes a very long time. But of course, eventually . . .
So that is why I made one completely different point which you misrepresented, deliberately, I’ll bet: There are no multicultural NATIONS!! Get it? You do understand that, don’t you? A NATION of people is at the very least separate from and sometimes antagonistic towards the STATE which governs them. One culture defines one real and authentic nation of people. Where there are observably different cultures, you are experiencing different nations of people, no matter whether you’ve crossed the border of one completely sovereign state into another.
So one nation borrowing its culture from another, or growing from that original culture, to create itself, makes it MULTI-cultural? Guess what, Ruslan?
WRONG!
Humans evolved from apes, but now we are humans. And our closest present-day simian relatives are just that. By the time of the Caesars, Rome was Rome. Greece was Greece. No matter that the former came from the latter’s womb. Hey, wasn’t it YOU who was telling me awhile back that I am American, not British? We seemed to agree back then. Or do you just habitually say anything that comes to your mind as a rebuttal when you become extremely alarmed, thinking “I MUST make this person think I have beaten him intellectually! I MUST!”
Aron, wow. Your sheltered, privileged, silver-spoon life is showing. Everything is OK in China, and race relations are good in America . . . . I appreciate the good laugh! I myself could never make that crap up!
on March 24th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Aron, while it is true that present-day American race relations are a far cry from their 1880s-1920s nadir, they are NOT fantastic. They are not even good. Black people vote en bloc for the Democratic Party for a reason. The same one that caused them to cheer like brainwashed idiots when Congressman Andre Carson of Indianapolis, IN announced to a crowd of them that today’s Republican Party politicians and their voters want to see black people hanging by nooses from trees. The same one that caused crowds of them in October 1995 to cheer when they heard the O.J. verdict. The same one that prompts them to start MLKJ marches down the major streets of major cities every late January on his holiday, with about enough white people to fill up a hot tub participating along with them.
on March 25th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Pam, take your meds, switch to decaf, and get an education. You know nothing.
on March 25th, 2013 at 12:13 am
Ruslan, did I claim to be a Christian? I think all I’ve explicitly said is just to simply extol the virtues of the faith. But I won’t try to obfuscate the subject. Yes, I am, but I am a bad one right now. Proselytizing Christianity is the last thing I’m here to do anyway.
on March 25th, 2013 at 9:24 am
“THEIR, Ruslan? Really?? You can thank me, an English major, for helping you out here a little bit: The word you’re looking for is “there.” Now it’s time for another lesson, silly little boy. Class is in session!”
Wow, all that studying for your English degree and all you can do is point out a common typo. Good work. In any case I suspected you weren’t a history major.
“In spite of what your Communist teachers might have told you, there are more dimensions to human existence than the individual and the state.”
No Communist would have said that.
“That’s why I did not, for one moment, say that there cannot be multiple cultures in one STATE. In fact I said the exact opposite, that history is replete with multicultural STATES. Some have kept the interethnic, interlinguistic, or intercultural tensions at bay for a time, sometimes a very long time. But of course, eventually . . .”
But eventually..what? Just because a state doesn’t last means…what, exactly?
” There are no multicultural NATIONS!! Get it? You do understand that, don’t you? A NATION of people is at the very least separate from and sometimes antagonistic towards the STATE which governs them. One culture defines one real and authentic nation of people. Where there are observably different cultures, you are experiencing different nations of people, no matter whether you’ve crossed the border of one completely sovereign state into another.”
Okay if we’re speaking about nations, and your definition seems closer to say, Josef Stalin’s criteria for nationhood, you might have a point. But there are a couple problems with that. First of all, the shared or common culture of one nation may often derive from another culture or nation. Oftentimes its some kind of amalgamation. That is true about nations themselves too. Many nations both young and old were created by the consolidation of various other nations or tribes. Germany is a recent example, and anyone who tries to claim that German culture is monolithic is simply an idiot.
“So one nation borrowing its culture from another, or growing from that original culture, to create itself, makes it MULTI-cultural? Guess what, Ruslan?
WRONG!”
Wrong? Why is it wrong, professor?
“Humans evolved from apes, but now we are humans.”
No we did not evolve from apes, we share a common ancestor with them.
“By the time of the Caesars, Rome was Rome. Greece was Greece.”
But who actually defines exactly what “Rome” or “Greece” was?
“I MUST make this person think I have beaten him intellectually! I MUST!”
Brock, you have been beaten intellectually, by pretty much everyone on this board.
on March 25th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Brock, why don’t you tell us exactly what you’re *for*?
on March 25th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Sam, quit watching Fox News becaues they are completely misinforming you (the fact that you repeat the canard about there being half of the population being supported by those who work removes all doubt). You probably also think its fair that plutocrats like Mitt Romney pay a much lower percentage of his income in taxes than the average middle class family as a reward for all of the jobs that they create in China.
And perhaps you are unaware that like many large cities, New Orleans has public transportation (its not like the streetcars of New Orleans are famous or anything). In many large cities with public transportation, many people do not have cars. Cars are expensive luxury items when you can get to work, shopping, and entertainment, using public transportation or walking. When i lived in Arlington, VA i didn’t have a car for quite a while and i was making really good money. While a car is not an essential to live in a big city, not having a car makes evacuation difficult.
and one thing to also remember – New Orleans has gone a very long time without ever getting directly hit by a hurricane. In fact, i believe that New Orleans has never ever been hit by a recorded major hurricane (and i think that the last direct hit of New Orleans by a hurricane was in the 19th century). Katrina, in fact, actually pretty much missed New Orleans (the highest recorded winds there were at most a very weak Category 1 strength – as opposed to in Mississippi where the winds were Category 4) and would have been pretty minor had the levies not broke. Remember the initial news report following Katrina s from New Orleans that there was little damage, little flooding, and they dodged a bullet? Then the levies broke and made me very glad that i didn’t go to Tulane.
So in Katrina you really had three factors – one was that the storm was (accurately) forecast to basically miss New Orleans which led some people to decide to ride out the storm rather than leaving. Two, you had a large number of people who couldn’t leave due to not having transportation so their only option was to take shelter in public shelters. Three, you had relatively little damage from Katrina itself, but you then had the levies break after the storm had left due to the rainfall and all of the water flowing down the Mississippi.
And btw, because of the inability of many people to evacuate as well as the general vulernability of the city, it was predicted before Katrina that if a major (Category 3 or higher) hurricane ever hit New Orleans, it would kill probably 100,000 people. That almost happened in 1969 when Hurricane Camille (the most powerful recorded hurricane to ever hit the mainland U.S. (some argue that the 1935 Florida Keys hurricane was more powerful (it had higher recorded winds) but that was on the Florida Keys rather than the mainland – and Camille had the lowest ever recorded pressure which is another measure of hurricane power), Camile was forecast to directly strike New Orleans – it veered off at the last minute and hit Mississippi with the force of an atomic bomb. Had Camille not veered, New Orleans probably would have been as devestated as Galveston was in the 1900 hurricane.
Of course, you’d actually have ot know something about New Orleans’ history with hurricanes (including remembering that until the levees broke, New Orleans was considered to have gotten through Katrina without a major hit and that many stations in New Orleans recorded at most tropical force force winds*) to understand that what happened after (not during) Katrina was always something which people knew could happen, but wasn’t necessarily expected to happen during that storm.
And when you’re actually learning something about what happened before and in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, be sure to look up the 1927 Mississippi River flood where they blew up the levees in a poor area to save New Orleans – and then note that several witnesses reported hearing large explosions before the levees failed during Katrina – could be that was the sound of them breaking under the weight of water. But one has to admit, the flooding of New Orleans, vast incompetency by the Bush administration that a complicit media blamed on the state and local government, and the chance to rebuilt it using many Neo-Con ideas (and without most of the poor people) does seem to have worked out a bit too well for the Bush people and their corporate backers (as well as the fact that they did it in 1927) does make it impossible to dismiss the conspiracy of intention destruction of the levees of New Orleans completely.
* that isn’t to say that tropical storm force winds aren’t extremely powerful and extremely scary. But the fact remains that at Louis Armstrong and the waterfront the highest record winds in New Orleans during Katrina were only about 70 miles per hour)
on March 25th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Erika, I have thought that myself. Furthermore, if the press had not finally been horrified enough by the sight of the dying, the dead, and the decomposing to find some journalistic spine, we might well have seen a case of urbicide by malign neglect.
on March 25th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
“Wrong? Why is it wrong, professor?”
Because you’re trying to misidentify a finished product by the ways and means used to create it. You can’t use a pile of logs of wood to sit at a dinner table. You can cut, sand, and polish the wood to create a chair, and that chair is the end result. Not the trees, or the logs of wood that came from them, but the chair made from that wood is what you sit on at the dinner table.
Now let’s clarify the vagaries, and eschew usage of nebulous and skewed terms, or misnomers. I am willing to admit to a fault in the arguments made by my fellow rightist compatriots: Diversity and multiculturalism are not the right words for what they are lambasting so tirelessly. After all, when a country brings in immigrants – something ALL of them do at some point in time – it brings new cultures to its shores. Now, anti-assimilationism, that’s a term that’s more on target. A little more of a mouthful, but accurate.
When the ruling class controlling a government and its institutions 1) brings immigrants in en masse with no intention of ever instituting a moratorium, and 2) encourages those groups of immigrants to MAINTAIN their ethnic, racial, and/or religious identities in a form of antagonistic competition with the native citizens, there is only one kind of plan or operation at work: the DESTRUCTION of that nation of people – by their own government.
Oh yeah, right, I have been beaten intellectually. I love how you gave some SPECIFIC EXAMPLES when you said that.
Pathetic.
on March 25th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Reynardine, my ancestors, their traditions, and the land they lived on, are a few things I am “for.” I am a blood-and-soil conservative. I appreciate you asking that. Soon enough you might be able to open your mind and separate that notion from the images you have always wrongheadedly associated with it – such as a man beating and kicking or murdering his wife or slave, right?
on March 26th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Brock: your ancestors are who? Your traditions are what? Your land is where? Whose blood, and whose soil? And yes, I recognize that phrase.
on March 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Brock, in the future I agree with others that you need to say what you are “for, completing articulating exactly what sort of society you want to live in instead of using terms like “blood-and-soil” conservative. Which blood and which soil?
Oh BTW: “1) brings immigrants in en masse with no intention of ever instituting a moratorium, and 2) encourages those groups of immigrants to MAINTAIN their ethnic, racial, and/or religious identities in a form of antagonistic competition with the native citizens, there is only one kind of plan or operation at work: the DESTRUCTION of that nation of people – by their own government. ”
The government does not do 1 or 2. Moreover, doing the opposite of 2 would mean encouraging acculturation and even intermarriage. Is that one of the things you’re for? I don’t see any reason for a government to encourage people to marry other people based on race or ethnicity, whether it’s a different one or the same.
on March 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Rey, there is little question in my mind after reading the official National Hurricane Center report on Hurricane Katrina that the official narrative which the press gave of the collapse of the levees raises more questions than it answers.
And btw, looking back at the report to confirm that i had the numbers right, i realized that i was wrong about something – Katrina was actually a Category 3 storm at landfall and some recent NHC documents show it as being a Category 2 storm at landfall. i was right about its strength in New Orleans – highest recorded sustained windspeed was 60 knots at Lakefront Airport which is tropical storm stength
And on a completely different note, it seems that Brock Henderson has removed any doubt about what his real political affliation is – he is most definitely a “Know Nothing” Now he needs to visit the Antebellum Department of Princess Erika’s Guilded Age Fashions so he can look the part.
on March 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Right, Ruslan. I’ll be waiting for you to show me a transcript of the Immigration Moratorium Act of 2013, which I’m sure is being debated in the U.S. House and Senate right now.
Sometimes, depending upon what kind of people the immigrants in question are, yes I am in favor of intermarriage, which speeds up the assimilation process. When said groups of immigrants are brought to a country’s shores continuously, with no intention of the wave being ended, that cannot happen. Especially when the native people are not making their own babies at the rates the immigrants are.
on March 26th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Brock: Whose blood? Whose soil? What ancestors, and exactly which traditions? Answer like a man, instead of a weasel.
on March 26th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Brock, do you know what the definition of “bring” means?
on March 27th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Apparently Brock’s never seen the process just for obtaining a tourist visa to the US.
on April 2nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
“Hey, wasn’t it YOU who was telling me awhile back that I am American, not British?”
Brock, for a self-styled English major picking nits over Ruslan’s homonyms, your grammar is atrocious. You should use the subjunctive. “Wasn’t it you who _were_ telling me…”
on April 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
I’m pretty sure that since the pronoun “who” immediately succeeds “you” in that sentence, it is basically the equivalent of the sentence “Who was telling me awhile back . . . ?” You use the subjunctive “was” instead of “who” in such a case, and so you do in my original sentence as well.
on April 3rd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Correction: You use the subjunctive “was” instead of “WERE” in such a case.
on April 3rd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
No Brock, you are still wrong. If you want to get hyper-correct about it, aadila was correct. You were wrong, despite using the more common syntax.
on April 3rd, 2013 at 6:54 pm
My dearie, if you parse the sentence you will find that is not the case. Your phrase might be acceptable in informal use, but it is a grammatical muddle. I wouldn’t even point it out, except you brought it upon yourself when you confronted Ruslan over a typographical error instead of the pith of his comment. This is a debate about ideas, not about grammar, and you got spanked.
Thank you, please come again.
on April 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am
aadila, its quite possible – and would explain a lot – that brock enjoys being spanked by women.
on April 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I admit I’m not studying grammar right now in my current English class, but rather poetry explication. Care to provide a link or something to prove your case?
on April 5th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Why not be a light unto yourself instead?
on April 5th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Brock, but you already claimed to be an ‘English Major.’ Surely you wouldn’t be lying to us now, would you?
on April 5th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
¡Poetry explication! ¡Besides everything else, you’re a pathological liar, too!
on April 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Ummm, no, Aron and Reynardine. I AM an English major. Studying poetry is a key part of English class curricula these days. What the hell are your grounds for calling me a liar in that case?
aadila, I was serious, and not grandstanding in any way, when I asked for you to provide me with a link to a web page or something proving your assertion about the proper usage of “was” and “were.” I do enjoy learning new things. I’ll be more than happy to say that you are right and I am wrong if you can do so.
on April 5th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
In fact, Brock, I have studied poetry, in more than one language, in undergraduate and graduate classes, and belonged to two poetry groups, one of which I led. In academic terms, “poetry explication” means exactly nothing. Who do you think you are fooling?
on April 5th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
You claimed to be an ‘English major’ and then you recently claimed to have ‘just been accepted to Sac State.’
One of those statements is a lie.
on April 5th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
http://www.scc.losrios.edu/Sea.....tory/D.htm
Find Dr. Maureen Dana, my current professor, and e-mail her that insult. I think she’ll tell you that the assignment she just gave me to explicate and comment upon the subtext and themes inherent in a poem is very essential to a modern-day understanding of English and poetry.
Jerk.
on April 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Awwww, did mean old Rey hurt Brocky’s feelings?
Poor baby :(
on April 6th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
There is a Maureen Dana listed on the faculty of Sacramento City College, not Sacramento State, and the course appears to be one in Introductory English Literature, utilizing the Norton Anthology, not any kind of seminar on the Constipation (whoops) Explication of Poetry. Now, you want to tell us that story again?
on April 6th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Aron, little bubbeleh, you also love being a jerk, so I guess I’ll stoop down to your level to explain myself to you too. I have CHOSEN English as my major, which I will be studying at Sac State in the Fall. Right now I’m taking an English class at my local junior college to take care of a transfer requirement. Since it’s part of my major core, I’m killing two birds with one stone.
on April 6th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
SEMINAR on poetry explication? You’re getting desperate, Reynardine. I mean, shoving words into my own mouth . . . haha. Pathetic and hilarious.
on April 6th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Oh and Aron, chatting online with someone nearly as puerile, vapid, and infantile as yourself doesn’t exactly hurt my feelings. It does, however, explain her divorce she talked about awhile back on another thread.
on April 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am
looks like Google can be added to the already extensive list of things that Brock doesn’t understand
on April 7th, 2013 at 8:53 am
I’m proud of my white skin and European blood.
Does that make you people angry? If it does, I suggest some form of meditation to calm down.
on April 8th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Evropa, of course you can be proud of that, since you did it all yourself.
on April 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Brock, you are growing increasingly incoherent, which indicates you are decompensating rapidly. Get attention before you wind up in the psychiatric successor to Livermore, in Vacaville, in San Quentin, or with a tag on your toe.
on April 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Puerile, vapid, and childish as myself? And yet we prove you wrong at every term.
Go eat a hovercraft, you cur.
on April 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Prove me wrong at every term? For example?
on April 8th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Brock, go read every disagreement you’ve had with anyone on this site. Like it or not, you’ve been wrong every time. You simply refuse to admit it.
on April 9th, 2013 at 5:31 am
Aron, you should know by now that brock is impervious to truth and facts that conflict with what he already knows in his closed mind. Hence the fact that everyone considers his sole source about everything about the American government (the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution), history (the Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. History), and the Civil War (the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War) to be extremely inaccurate and disreputable sources from neo-Confederates does not matter to him. Its what he believes and he is not going to let facts get in the way of what he believes.
He also is quick to resort to that old standby of the Paulite phony-libertarian – if you disagree with him, you must worship the state or American empire which may well be the Neo-Confederate sessessionist version
on April 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
You couldn’t give me just one example, Aron or Erika? A word of advice, darlings: Saying to someone “You are wrong!” with no substance or evidence to back that claim up with the exception of “ALL MY FRIENDS are willing to nod their heads in agreement with me! Look how many people agree with me! How many people agree with you, loser?” reveals that your own position is weak and crumbling, and that indeed you cannot back it up with anything. If you really have lost a debate with someone, but your ego precludes you from admitting it, try a different tack.
Erika, umm, how many times have I said that I’m not a libertarian? Again, pretty sure Dr. Paul isn’t one anymore either.
You folks may eventually catch those straws. I’ll be rooting for you.
on April 10th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Well for one thing you claimed that there have never been successful multicultural countries.
And that’s just on this page. I don’t care to point out every lie you’ve told because you simply aren’t worth my time.
on April 10th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Brock, no one would mistake you for a (sensu strictu) libertarian, some of whom I have, indeed, known and had entertaining arguments with, frequently followed by a beer. Real libertarians are like that. Politically, you may be either an authoritarian or a totalitarian. To elaborate on an explanation once given by Ernest Hemingway, an authoritarian, when he goes to the toilet, points a gun at himself and orders, “#1!” or “#2!”. A totalitarian walks into an otherwise empty confessional, points a gun at himself, and orders, “Confess all your bad thoughts about me!” You surely do the latter, and I can’t rule out the former, either.
on April 10th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Successful at what, Aron? Keeping squabbling ethnic or religious groups together under one governmental banner? What I said is that the NATIONHOOD of such sovereign states is a huge illusion for people who haven’t had the misfortune of being there to see just how “one nation, united” they are. In any event, are we even in agreement upon one single working definition of “success?”
I get it, Reynardine. A man who thinks he ought to – gasp! – be the head of his household is totalitarian or authoritarian. A government sending its army into its own country to declare war upon and kill ITS OWN PEOPLE . . . naw, of course not, that’s “liberation.”
You need to understand that you’re a deranged lunatic, my little old angelcake.
on April 11th, 2013 at 8:57 am
Brock, m’dear, “deranged lunatic” from you is…well, entertainment. As far as cake goes, I much prefer devil’s food.
on April 11th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Brock do you have various examples of single ethnicity nations where people just get along without strife, conflict, and squabbling of some form or another? Let’s gather some examples and look at them.
From my viewpoint it seems you are confusing the human condition with multiethnic conflict. I also think you are ignoring the infinite complexities of cause and effect in society. There is never just one cause for any effect, and never just one effect from any cause. I also doubt it is possible to ever accurately describe all causes and all effects of any phenomenon, social, political, or otherwise because the entire universe is dynamic, changing, and in constant flux. True intellectual inquiry does not insist upon one cause or one effect, but understands the complexities involved can be confusing, contradictory, and often hard to sort out.
Look deeper into it and test it for yourself if this is true.
on April 12th, 2013 at 8:16 am
@Brock: you stated, You need to understand that you’re a deranged lunatic, my little old angelcake.
In psychology I believe this is referred to as “projecting”.
on April 17th, 2013 at 8:06 am
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